Bob Sawvelle: How to Align Your Life With Your Prophecy

Bob Sawvelle: How to Align Your Life With Your Prophecy

When believers receive a prophetic word for their lives, they need to know whether to wait for God's fulfillment of that word or to act on it in some way. How does God lead individuals through prophecy today? Should believers seek the prophetic? Pastor Bob Sawvelle of Passion Church in Tuscon, Arizona, teaches us on Charisma Connection how to align our lives with the personal prophecies we receive.

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Episode Notes

Charisma Connection

Guest: Bob Sawvelle

 

When believers receive a prophetic word for their lives, they need to know whether to wait for God's fulfillment of that word or to act on it in some way. How does God lead individuals through prophecy today? Should believers seek the prophetic?

 

Pastor Bob Sawvelle of Passion Church in Tuscon, Arizona, teaches us on Charisma Connection how to align our lives with the personal prophecies we receive.

 

Introduction

Chris Johnson: Welcome to Charisma Connection. I'm Chris Johnson and I'm so glad to have a repeat visit today from Dr. Bob Sawvelle of Passion church in Tucson, Arizona. If you missed our previous podcast, Bob and his wife established Passion Church in 2002. They are senior pastors there and that church is powerfully moving in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. They have been trained in healing ministry through Global Awakening Ministries and the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. So that'll give everyone a context, Dr. Sawvelle, thanks for joining us today. You have described life as a faith-filled adventure and the Christian’s life journey as prophetic. That's sort of the topic we're going to be talking about today. And that sounds really appealing. Could you spell that out more?

 

Bob Sawvelle: God creates within each one of us destiny and purpose. All of us are on this life journey of discovering purpose. When we come to Christ, all of a sudden, He begins to awaken within us an understanding of this call and this purpose in which we have; not the least of which is the fact that when we are truly born again, now the Holy Spirit dwells within us. As we began to learn to hear God's voice, all of a sudden, we begin to discover that He's communicating to us and He's leading us into a life of adventurous faith and then segues into a prophetic journey, if you will. At the very onset, Jesus says follow me. So, we begin to follow Him, and all of a sudden, He may lead us into paths that we would never have imagined. It has a lot to do with how He's created us, gifted us and even motivated us. Now we begin to discover that purpose and that calling. It sort of becomes this life of adventurous faith with this prophetic element to it, where He directs and guides along the way and we may not even realize it.

 

* Read Bob Sawvelle's book, Fulfill Your Dreams: Seize the Day and be Extraordinary

 

Chris Johnson: We always ask this question, what would Jesus do? People remember the bracelets that were sold in Christian retail stores many years ago. And, as we look at Jesus’ life mission and what He came to do, how can we emulate Him in finding our purpose and in fulfilling our destiny?

 

Bob Sawvelle: Foremost, we have to just stay very close to the very heart of Jesus and in that place of relationship and fellowship with Him. We see Jesus, John writes about this in John chapter 5, where Jesus says He only did we saw His Father do. So, Jesus basically, and Paul writes about this in Colossians 2:9-10, He says that in Christ, the fullness of deity dwells. So, we see this aspect of the very essence of all who God is manifesting through the very life of Christ and we see the Holy Spirit speaking to Jesus, guiding Jesus, being directed by Him. Jesus is praying to the Father. He’s always seeking the Father's will and He only really responds and moves out of that divine directive. Our task is then to learn how to stay in that close relationship with God and allow the Holy Spirit then to begin to direct us and let that begin to unfold over our life. For example, in Romans 8, Paul is talking about how we left our old life behind and now we're walking into this newness of life. We were free of condemnation and these type of things.  Then he says something in Romans 8:14 … he says as many who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons or daughters of God. So, in one respect, it's certainly talking about living out that new life. And that's absolutely what Paul was getting at. But the other aspect of it is, the Holy Spirit is guiding us and directing is just like he was Jesus. So, Jesus just lived out of the place of relationship with the Father. As we learn how to live out of that place, we will find that the Spirit begins to direct us accordingly. And again, we may be surprised at some of those things. A good example of this is in Acts 16-6-10, we see Paul and Silas are on a missionary journey. Paul understands the mandate of going into all the world and making disciples of all nations. Paul is in endeavoring to take the gospel to unreached people. Yet you read in that passage how twice the Holy Spirit stops Paul from going into particular areas and then he has this vision in the night or a dream where he sees a man in Macedonia, asking them to come. Paul obviously confers with Silas and the others the next morning and they conclude that God is leading them to go into Macedonia. They go into that region, they go into Philippi and basically a church is planted there. It's very interesting. You see in that example, and of course, as many other examples through the book of Acts and through church history as well where God begins to divinely direct and guide His people as they stay very close to him. They're listening intently and believing the prophetic revelation that that God has given.


Bob Sawvelle on YouTube

·         The Gospel of the Kingdom

·         Our Eyes are on You

·         Creating a Culture of Evangelism

·         Nothing Compares

 

Chris Johnson: That divine direction does bring us back to prophecy and what exactly the purpose of prophecy is in our lives. Could you elaborate on that a bit?

 

Bob Sawvelle: Foremost, God's heart towards us is a heart of love. New Testament prophecy is prophetic revelation and direction that speaks words of love, hope and affirmation to us. I always encourage the folks in our church and those that I that I teach online and students that prophecy that has a ring of judgment to it and condemnation, that's not the heart of God. Back to Romans 8, Paul says that they were no longer under a spirit of condemnation. Those who walked in the spirit were free of that. So, prophecy then at it's very basic level is that of love and hope and affirmation to us. I mean, even with wayward Judah, we see in Jeremiah 29:11. They're getting ready to be exiled and under 70 years of captivity, and yet God speaks to the prophet Jeremiah a word of hope and comfort to the people and says I know the plans I have in mind for you, declares the Lord, they are plans for peace, not disaster; to give you a future filled with hope. So, I believe at the very basis of prophecy, it should bring hope to the hearer, to the person. Paul reaffirms this in his writing to the Corinthians. In First Corinthians 14:3, he says how prophecy clearly edifies, exhorts and comforts. Again, I always encourage people look for the good in what God is speaking to an individual and let's pull on that. Let's shy away from … sometimes we pick up things maybe a person is going through, a struggle or situation. Let's not speak to that. Let's speak to the potential and to the identity in the person. That's what God wants to bring forth. So, prophecy then primarily speaks, I believe, to our identity and calling. Now granted, there may be nuances to words that we receive along the way that have more not just with our identity and calling. But at the fundamental basis of what I believe New Testament prophecy is, it should bring life hope, speak to a person's identity, bringing forth their very purpose and encouraging them in their walk in the walk of faith.

 

Chris Johnson: Identity and calling. That's a wonderful way of wrapping up the purpose of prophecy in our lives. Many believers have been on the receiving end of a personal prophecy, but sometimes it seems like those prophecies just aren't coming to pass. That leaves that person wondering whether the person operating in the gift of prophecy was, shall we say, the real deal. So, what are we to make when that happens?

 

Bob Sawvelle: The Apostle Paul in First Thessalonians 5:19-21, he makes these interesting little comments. He says, first of all, don't quench the spirit. Then he says, don't despise prophecy. Then he says, test all things, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, and then hold on to that which is good. So, he's saying not to despise or treat lightly prophecy, but we're to basically test and weigh all things. So, sometimes what happens is we may receive a word and every word that we receive from someone else, and even that which we hear from for ourselves from the Lord, is coming through the filter of the human heart. So, New Testament prophecy is different than what we see in the Old Testament. I don't really want to spend much time there but just to say that the spirit has been poured out upon all flesh. All those who follow Christ can hear His voice and learn to recognize the voice of God. Paul even encourages in First Corinthians 14:1 to pursue love, desire spiritual gifts. Then he says, especially that you prophesy. So, we believe that obviously prophecy is still valid for today. That gift never went away. We want to pursue that. But we need to understand that it comes through the human heart. If that heart isn't fully healed, let's say or there's an agenda there or wrong motive, then sometimes those words may not come through the clearest. That's one aspect of it. So that's why it's important for each of us when we receive a prophetic word, we have the responsibility to weigh that word. What Paul was getting at there was not to treat prophecy suspect as though it's all suspicious, but rather to test it with the eye of belief that OK, this is God speaking, ow let me way this in light of what God's been speaking to me in light of what I see in the written Word and lining up with the nature and character of God, etc. So, we have a responsibility to that. That said, if we go through a proper process of sort of weighing the Word, testing the Word, and we believe that word is a Word from God, even though we may not have fully already seen that for ourselves and it’s something new and regulatory to us, now we have a responsibility to begin to pray over that Word. We always tell everybody to first of all record words. If someone's going to give you a prophetic word … Most folks have a smartphone nowadays or a friend of theirs standing there or something, to record that word. Then, when you get that recording, write out that word and then begin to pray over that word. You're going through that process, you’re kind of weighing it, you’re testing it. Is this a word from God, does this word line up with the character of Christ, the nature of the written word? Is this in alignment with the things God has been speaking to me?

 

You go through that process, and then you believe this is a word from the Lord and you begin to pray over it. Sometimes these words are years in the making. A good example is Abraham and Sarah. Before Isaac came, the son of promise, they had nearly 25 years of waiting on the Lord for that promise to come to pass. There were about eight major prophetic words or things that God spoke to them during that 25 years. Oftentimes we're in this process of waiting and holding on. There's a time factor there. There's a wait factor there. There is an essence of, is this word coming to that person? Is it clear, is it direct? Sometimes these words aren't exactly right on it. Sometimes people are receiving something, they're getting a revelation, they're sharing the revelation and now maybe they're going a little bit too far. They're adding their interpretation or their application. Maybe all the Lord wanted was to give us some revelation and allow the here and now to wait, wait on the Lord, pray and get the Lord's understanding of that interpretation and application. So, there can be many facets to it. We certainly, in in our new covenant Age of Grace, we no longer stone people for giving an inaccurate prophetic word. Certainly, there's a lot of responsibility for those that are in prophetic ministry or giving prophetic words. You want to be accurate and you don't want to go beyond what the Spirit is revealing. But that said, we also have to again hold these things in a way that we lean into it, we test it, we weigh it, we pray into it. Some good Scriptures for that are, for example, First Timothy 1:18. Paul says that we're to pray over … he's telling Timothy to pray over your words, wage warfare by them. So, we have a responsibility to do our part in that. We have a responsibility to steward over what God has spoken to us and even the gifts the calling, etc. We understand that some of what God is speaking to us in prophetic words that we receive. He's speaking to our kingdom identity and our calling and our purpose. So, sometimes we're in this prophetic process where the Lord's working something deeper in our life to bring us into the fullness of our kingdom identity.

 

For the rest of the interview with Bob Sawvelle, please visit cpnshows.com.

 

Episode Notes

Charisma Connection

Guest: Bob Sawvelle

 

When believers receive a prophetic word for their lives, they need to know whether to wait for God's fulfillment of that word or to act on it in some way. How does God lead individuals through prophecy today? Should believers seek the prophetic?

 

Pastor Bob Sawvelle of Passion Church in Tuscon, Arizona, teaches us on Charisma Connection how to align our lives with the personal prophecies we receive.

 

Introduction

Chris Johnson: Welcome to Charisma Connection. I'm Chris Johnson and I'm so glad to have a repeat visit today from Dr. Bob Sawvelle of Passion church in Tucson, Arizona. If you missed our previous podcast, Bob and his wife established Passion Church in 2002. They are senior pastors there and that church is powerfully moving in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. They have been trained in healing ministry through Global Awakening Ministries and the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. So that'll give everyone a context, Dr. Sawvelle, thanks for joining us today. You have described life as a faith-filled adventure and the Christian’s life journey as prophetic. That's sort of the topic we're going to be talking about today. And that sounds really appealing. Could you spell that out more?

 

Bob Sawvelle: God creates within each one of us destiny and purpose. All of us are on this life journey of discovering purpose. When we come to Christ, all of a sudden, He begins to awaken within us an understanding of this call and this purpose in which we have; not the least of which is the fact that when we are truly born again, now the Holy Spirit dwells within us. As we began to learn to hear God's voice, all of a sudden, we begin to discover that He's communicating to us and He's leading us into a life of adventurous faith and then segues into a prophetic journey, if you will. At the very onset, Jesus says follow me. So, we begin to follow Him, and all of a sudden, He may lead us into paths that we would never have imagined. It has a lot to do with how He's created us, gifted us and even motivated us. Now we begin to discover that purpose and that calling. It sort of becomes this life of adventurous faith with this prophetic element to it, where He directs and guides along the way and we may not even realize it.

 

* Read Bob Sawvelle's book, Fulfill Your Dreams: Seize the Day and be Extraordinary

 

Chris Johnson: We always ask this question, what would Jesus do? People remember the bracelets that were sold in Christian retail stores many years ago. And, as we look at Jesus’ life mission and what He came to do, how can we emulate Him in finding our purpose and in fulfilling our destiny?

 

Bob Sawvelle: Foremost, we have to just stay very close to the very heart of Jesus and in that place of relationship and fellowship with Him. We see Jesus, John writes about this in John chapter 5, where Jesus says He only did we saw His Father do. So, Jesus basically, and Paul writes about this in Colossians 2:9-10, He says that in Christ, the fullness of deity dwells. So, we see this aspect of the very essence of all who God is manifesting through the very life of Christ and we see the Holy Spirit speaking to Jesus, guiding Jesus, being directed by Him. Jesus is praying to the Father. He’s always seeking the Father's will and He only really responds and moves out of that divine directive. Our task is then to learn how to stay in that close relationship with God and allow the Holy Spirit then to begin to direct us and let that begin to unfold over our life. For example, in Romans 8, Paul is talking about how we left our old life behind and now we're walking into this newness of life. We were free of condemnation and these type of things.  Then he says something in Romans 8:14 … he says as many who are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons or daughters of God. So, in one respect, it's certainly talking about living out that new life. And that's absolutely what Paul was getting at. But the other aspect of it is, the Holy Spirit is guiding us and directing is just like he was Jesus. So, Jesus just lived out of the place of relationship with the Father. As we learn how to live out of that place, we will find that the Spirit begins to direct us accordingly. And again, we may be surprised at some of those things. A good example of this is in Acts 16-6-10, we see Paul and Silas are on a missionary journey. Paul understands the mandate of going into all the world and making disciples of all nations. Paul is in endeavoring to take the gospel to unreached people. Yet you read in that passage how twice the Holy Spirit stops Paul from going into particular areas and then he has this vision in the night or a dream where he sees a man in Macedonia, asking them to come. Paul obviously confers with Silas and the others the next morning and they conclude that God is leading them to go into Macedonia. They go into that region, they go into Philippi and basically a church is planted there. It's very interesting. You see in that example, and of course, as many other examples through the book of Acts and through church history as well where God begins to divinely direct and guide His people as they stay very close to him. They're listening intently and believing the prophetic revelation that that God has given.


Bob Sawvelle on YouTube

·         The Gospel of the Kingdom

·         Our Eyes are on You

·         Creating a Culture of Evangelism

·         Nothing Compares

 

Chris Johnson: That divine direction does bring us back to prophecy and what exactly the purpose of prophecy is in our lives. Could you elaborate on that a bit?

 

Bob Sawvelle: Foremost, God's heart towards us is a heart of love. New Testament prophecy is prophetic revelation and direction that speaks words of love, hope and affirmation to us. I always encourage the folks in our church and those that I that I teach online and students that prophecy that has a ring of judgment to it and condemnation, that's not the heart of God. Back to Romans 8, Paul says that they were no longer under a spirit of condemnation. Those who walked in the spirit were free of that. So, prophecy then at it's very basic level is that of love and hope and affirmation to us. I mean, even with wayward Judah, we see in Jeremiah 29:11. They're getting ready to be exiled and under 70 years of captivity, and yet God speaks to the prophet Jeremiah a word of hope and comfort to the people and says I know the plans I have in mind for you, declares the Lord, they are plans for peace, not disaster; to give you a future filled with hope. So, I believe at the very basis of prophecy, it should bring hope to the hearer, to the person. Paul reaffirms this in his writing to the Corinthians. In First Corinthians 14:3, he says how prophecy clearly edifies, exhorts and comforts. Again, I always encourage people look for the good in what God is speaking to an individual and let's pull on that. Let's shy away from … sometimes we pick up things maybe a person is going through, a struggle or situation. Let's not speak to that. Let's speak to the potential and to the identity in the person. That's what God wants to bring forth. So, prophecy then primarily speaks, I believe, to our identity and calling. Now granted, there may be nuances to words that we receive along the way that have more not just with our identity and calling. But at the fundamental basis of what I believe New Testament prophecy is, it should bring life hope, speak to a person's identity, bringing forth their very purpose and encouraging them in their walk in the walk of faith.

 

Chris Johnson: Identity and calling. That's a wonderful way of wrapping up the purpose of prophecy in our lives. Many believers have been on the receiving end of a personal prophecy, but sometimes it seems like those prophecies just aren't coming to pass. That leaves that person wondering whether the person operating in the gift of prophecy was, shall we say, the real deal. So, what are we to make when that happens?

 

Bob Sawvelle: The Apostle Paul in First Thessalonians 5:19-21, he makes these interesting little comments. He says, first of all, don't quench the spirit. Then he says, don't despise prophecy. Then he says, test all things, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, and then hold on to that which is good. So, he's saying not to despise or treat lightly prophecy, but we're to basically test and weigh all things. So, sometimes what happens is we may receive a word and every word that we receive from someone else, and even that which we hear from for ourselves from the Lord, is coming through the filter of the human heart. So, New Testament prophecy is different than what we see in the Old Testament. I don't really want to spend much time there but just to say that the spirit has been poured out upon all flesh. All those who follow Christ can hear His voice and learn to recognize the voice of God. Paul even encourages in First Corinthians 14:1 to pursue love, desire spiritual gifts. Then he says, especially that you prophesy. So, we believe that obviously prophecy is still valid for today. That gift never went away. We want to pursue that. But we need to understand that it comes through the human heart. If that heart isn't fully healed, let's say or there's an agenda there or wrong motive, then sometimes those words may not come through the clearest. That's one aspect of it. So that's why it's important for each of us when we receive a prophetic word, we have the responsibility to weigh that word. What Paul was getting at there was not to treat prophecy suspect as though it's all suspicious, but rather to test it with the eye of belief that OK, this is God speaking, ow let me way this in light of what God's been speaking to me in light of what I see in the written Word and lining up with the nature and character of God, etc. So, we have a responsibility to that. That said, if we go through a proper process of sort of weighing the Word, testing the Word, and we believe that word is a Word from God, even though we may not have fully already seen that for ourselves and it’s something new and regulatory to us, now we have a responsibility to begin to pray over that Word. We always tell everybody to first of all record words. If someone's going to give you a prophetic word … Most folks have a smartphone nowadays or a friend of theirs standing there or something, to record that word. Then, when you get that recording, write out that word and then begin to pray over that word. You're going through that process, you’re kind of weighing it, you’re testing it. Is this a word from God, does this word line up with the character of Christ, the nature of the written word? Is this in alignment with the things God has been speaking to me?

 

You go through that process, and then you believe this is a word from the Lord and you begin to pray over it. Sometimes these words are years in the making. A good example is Abraham and Sarah. Before Isaac came, the son of promise, they had nearly 25 years of waiting on the Lord for that promise to come to pass. There were about eight major prophetic words or things that God spoke to them during that 25 years. Oftentimes we're in this process of waiting and holding on. There's a time factor there. There's a wait factor there. There is an essence of, is this word coming to that person? Is it clear, is it direct? Sometimes these words aren't exactly right on it. Sometimes people are receiving something, they're getting a revelation, they're sharing the revelation and now maybe they're going a little bit too far. They're adding their interpretation or their application. Maybe all the Lord wanted was to give us some revelation and allow the here and now to wait, wait on the Lord, pray and get the Lord's understanding of that interpretation and application. So, there can be many facets to it. We certainly, in in our new covenant Age of Grace, we no longer stone people for giving an inaccurate prophetic word. Certainly, there's a lot of responsibility for those that are in prophetic ministry or giving prophetic words. You want to be accurate and you don't want to go beyond what the Spirit is revealing. But that said, we also have to again hold these things in a way that we lean into it, we test it, we weigh it, we pray into it. Some good Scriptures for that are, for example, First Timothy 1:18. Paul says that we're to pray over … he's telling Timothy to pray over your words, wage warfare by them. So, we have a responsibility to do our part in that. We have a responsibility to steward over what God has spoken to us and even the gifts the calling, etc. We understand that some of what God is speaking to us in prophetic words that we receive. He's speaking to our kingdom identity and our calling and our purpose. So, sometimes we're in this prophetic process where the Lord's working something deeper in our life to bring us into the fullness of our kingdom identity.

 

For the rest of the interview with Bob Sawvelle, please visit cpnshows.com.

 

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