Grief in the Womb With Dianne and Happy Leman

Grief in the Womb With Dianne and Happy Leman

Doctors told her she would never conceive. Dianne Leman looked them in the eye and prophetically claimed that her body would miraculously carry a child. But after years of heartache, she was about to give up on the Lord's promise. Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews the Lemans to hear what changed in their lives.

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Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: Dianne and Happy Leman

Doctors told her she would never conceive. Dianne Leman looked them in the eye and prophetically claimed that her body would miraculously carry a child. But after years of heartache, she was about to give up on the Lord's promise.

Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews the Lemans to hear what changed in their lives.

Introduction

I'm Jessilyn Lancaster and this is the Charisma News podcast. This particular series is called Grief in the Womb, and we are dealing with all forms of infertility, whether that's stillbirth, miscarriages, death right after birth. It's all really devastating. When I first brought this topic up, people told me you've got to talk to Happy and Dianne Leman. You've got to talk to them. I was like, why do I need to talk to them? In this interview, you're going to find out why. Doctors told her she would never conceive. Dianne Leman looked at them in the eye and prophetically claimed that her body would miraculously carry a child. But, after years of heartache, she was about to give up on the Lord's promise.

 

Other Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         Jen Maynard

·         John and Amy Burton

·         Julia Jeffress Sadler

 

I'm here with Happy and Dianne Leman, the founding pastors of the Vineyard of Central Illinois. It is a pleasure to have you guys on. While I was doing my research, so many people told me I've got to talk to you about Grief in the Womb. I know this is such a large part of your testimony. Can you tell us a little bit about your story?

 

Request Prayer for Infertility

·         At dianneleman.com

·         Healing Stories

 

Dianne Leman: Sure, I'll start because it was my womb. Happy and I met at University of Illinois in the late 1960s. We were both running away from faith. We were both raised in very wonderful Christian homes, but in a very legalistic faith. So, when we met one another, fell deeply in love. We promised each other we had no interest in ever becoming a Christian. Happy, of course, promised me that he would be a millionaire by age 30. So, it was pretty easy to say yes to his proposal. We were wonderfully married, and then, boom, about one month into our marriage, I met Jesus. I had known the church, I had known religion, but I never known Jesus. Of course, I was reneging on our deal, but hey, Hap loved me, right honey?

 

Dianne Leman books

·         Hello Holy Spirit: God’s Gift of Live-In Help

·         Jesus.Heals.Today.: The Best Prescription for a Hurting World

·         We’re Pregnant! How to Receive God’s Cure for Infertility

 

Happy Leman: She was worth it. I figured I didn't want to go to hell, so why not join?

Dianne Leman: We were just newlyweds and it's almost 50 years ago now. So, I believe it was the Lord's hand on both of us. We were water baptized together in 1972. And then, wow, Happy has a brilliant financial mind. He finished his MBA. I was finishing my masters in education, and we were well on our way. Now, of course, as born-again believers, we were on our way to making that first million and our life was all good.

Happy Leman: Back in those days, there was a term called DINK: double income, no kids. I loved it. I was excited about it. We were getting ahead. But Di had a problem that didn’t resolve easily, and it changed our lives.

Dianne Leman: So, about three to four years into our marriage, we're like everybody, we want to have kids. And I'm from a large family. There are six children in my family, four in Hap’s. We thought this would be easy. Well, we encountered very serious medical problems. Money couldn't solve it. Medicine couldn’t solve it; man couldn't solve it. You can run towards God, or you can just shake your fist at Him. And really we're grateful for His grace because we both were running at top speed towards God but getting nowhere. We were part of a church that said the gifts of the Spirit had ceased. God doesn’t heal today. Actually, you can't even know God's will today. So, it was a very, very difficult … infertility is excruciating. Of course, it also makes you very vulnerable. But, we are so thankful.

Happy Leman: You start reading the Bible and you make statements to me like … I read in the Bible that Jesus healed people and He seemed to give barren women babies. I kept telling Him that stuff doesn't happen anymore. That's Old Testament, that the Bible has changed. I’m this expert. I didn't know anything, but I was telling her all this. And Solomon had it right: a barren woman is never satisfied. She just kept saying, I know Jesus would give me a baby if he were here. One day in my office, I was a financial planner, a young man who worked there but I didn't even know he was a Christian, one day said to me, did you know that God is still doing the same miracles that he did 2,000 years ago? I thought, what? I don't know anything about miracles. I didn't study about them at the University of Illinois in six years, but we need one Tell me about it. And he started telling me about it. I go home and tell Dianne, and suddenly we had a little bit of hope.

Dianne Leman: Well, we did and he invited us to a meeting in Indianapolis. It was a meeting with Kenneth Copeland. We had never heard of Kenneth Copeland. We had been warned by our church and our parents to always stay away from anybody who did crazy things like speak in tongues or believe in in miracles. But we were desperate. We figured we'd go to Indianapolis; we would get a miracle. Hey, I might even come home pregnant, who knows? If God can do anything. But that meeting, it was a shock to our system. There was not one prayer. There was not one word spoken about miracles in healing. All that he spoke about was this person of the Holy Spirit. That was totally new to both of us.

Happy Leman: The faith we had grown up in, they mentioned the Holy Spirit. But that is the first time we had ever heard that. And it's like in Acts 19, where they kind of said we didn't know there was a Holy Spirit. We had heard the term, but it didn't mean anything to us. So, we agreed on the way home that we would kind of think about

Dianne Leman: Yeah, we would do a Bible study. I mean, that was our modus operandi. We would go home and we would search the Bible and I said whatever we find, I will never speak in tongues. I will never do anything crazy. Both of us are kind of control freaks. And, you know, hopefully, we've been healed of that. But nevertheless, we got home and went to bed. But Wow, I couldn't sleep. That was very rare for me. I now realize that was the Holy Spirit. But I got up and went downstairs and I pulled out the little booklets and we had bought at that meeting. I just thought, well, I'm just going to go through these steps here. It talks about out of your belly will flow rivers of living water. I thought, well, OK, I need that. I asked Jesus to baptize me in the Holy Spirit. And the next thing I knew, I was just opening my mouth to just say thank you because I could feel a sensation bubbling up in me and it was as though a river were coming. All of a sudden, I was speaking in a language I didn't know.

Jessilyn Lancaster: Something you said you would never do.

Dianne Leman: Never, ever. But I knew it was real. Of course, I was eager to tell Hap that next morning. But I always go back to the most astounding fruit of that experience, the almost immediate effect of our first baptism in the Holy Spirit. It wasn’t the gift of tongues, although to me that has been the most precious gift. I always say I don't know how anybody raises teenagers without the gift of tongues. I love that gift. But the next morning, it was as though scales fell off my eyes, off my heart. I saw Jesus, which is what the Holy Spirit does best. He's always shining the light on Jesus. I saw Jesus is indeed a healer. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. And it was very miraculous in my heart. Just a few days later, Hap had his own experience with the Holy Spirit.

We went to the experts now in Chicago. They had done everything for us in our local hospital, which is a top-notch hospital. We've done all the surgery, all the medication, everything available. This was the late 1970s now.

Happy Leman: So, this doctor in Chicago, supposedly the best in the Midwest, Northwestern Univdersity, he said to come back. I was a salesman who traveled a lot in my car. One day I’m in my my car and the strangest thing. I almost crying every time I tell it, but t I heard God talk to me. Oh, it was God. I wouldn't have known God if he had walked up to me. But he said, you're going to get really bad report and she called me he told me a few things that the doctor had said, but don't worry, I’ve got it all taken care of. I marched home and I got home later that day and I told Dianne, I said, you won’t believe it, but God talked to me, and here's what do you should. And her reaction was …

Dianne Leman: Well, again, you know, we were all new to this Spirit stuff. We were told God only talks in the Word. And now Hap was coming home and telling me he heard God. Well, my first response, to be honest, was if God was going to talk, He'd be talking to me because Hap had a few problems with his spiritual walk. He was making progress, but I had to force him to do his Bible study before he could watch TV and things like that. But I said, well, if God told you we're going to get really bad news, which I couldn't imagine it could be any worse than what we'd already heard … and the also said don't worry about it, it's going to be all right. Well, we're going to find out because within, I don't know, maybe a week or so, we were headed up to Chicago, walked in, they immediately ushered me into the doctor's office, did not have me undress, nothing. They just sat down and they said, I'm sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Leman, we have really bad news. So, what is was, not only did they confirm everything that was wrong with me physically that had been confirmed back in Urbana, Illinois, now, he says, we've located a rather sizable tumor about the size of an orange or so, and we want to remove that tumor. And actually, we're probably thinking it's going to be a total hysterectomy. So, you would have to obviously agree to that when you're under anesthesia before you go under anesthesia. Well, that was worse news.

 

Connect with Happy and Dianne Leman

·         On Dianne’s Facebook page

·         On Happy’s Facebook page

·         At thevineyardchurch.us

·         At dianneleman.com

 

Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: Dianne and Happy Leman

Doctors told her she would never conceive. Dianne Leman looked them in the eye and prophetically claimed that her body would miraculously carry a child. But after years of heartache, she was about to give up on the Lord's promise.

Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews the Lemans to hear what changed in their lives.

Introduction

I'm Jessilyn Lancaster and this is the Charisma News podcast. This particular series is called Grief in the Womb, and we are dealing with all forms of infertility, whether that's stillbirth, miscarriages, death right after birth. It's all really devastating. When I first brought this topic up, people told me you've got to talk to Happy and Dianne Leman. You've got to talk to them. I was like, why do I need to talk to them? In this interview, you're going to find out why. Doctors told her she would never conceive. Dianne Leman looked at them in the eye and prophetically claimed that her body would miraculously carry a child. But, after years of heartache, she was about to give up on the Lord's promise.

 

Other Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         Jen Maynard

·         John and Amy Burton

·         Julia Jeffress Sadler

 

I'm here with Happy and Dianne Leman, the founding pastors of the Vineyard of Central Illinois. It is a pleasure to have you guys on. While I was doing my research, so many people told me I've got to talk to you about Grief in the Womb. I know this is such a large part of your testimony. Can you tell us a little bit about your story?

 

Request Prayer for Infertility

·         At dianneleman.com

·         Healing Stories

 

Dianne Leman: Sure, I'll start because it was my womb. Happy and I met at University of Illinois in the late 1960s. We were both running away from faith. We were both raised in very wonderful Christian homes, but in a very legalistic faith. So, when we met one another, fell deeply in love. We promised each other we had no interest in ever becoming a Christian. Happy, of course, promised me that he would be a millionaire by age 30. So, it was pretty easy to say yes to his proposal. We were wonderfully married, and then, boom, about one month into our marriage, I met Jesus. I had known the church, I had known religion, but I never known Jesus. Of course, I was reneging on our deal, but hey, Hap loved me, right honey?

 

Dianne Leman books

·         Hello Holy Spirit: God’s Gift of Live-In Help

·         Jesus.Heals.Today.: The Best Prescription for a Hurting World

·         We’re Pregnant! How to Receive God’s Cure for Infertility

 

Happy Leman: She was worth it. I figured I didn't want to go to hell, so why not join?

Dianne Leman: We were just newlyweds and it's almost 50 years ago now. So, I believe it was the Lord's hand on both of us. We were water baptized together in 1972. And then, wow, Happy has a brilliant financial mind. He finished his MBA. I was finishing my masters in education, and we were well on our way. Now, of course, as born-again believers, we were on our way to making that first million and our life was all good.

Happy Leman: Back in those days, there was a term called DINK: double income, no kids. I loved it. I was excited about it. We were getting ahead. But Di had a problem that didn’t resolve easily, and it changed our lives.

Dianne Leman: So, about three to four years into our marriage, we're like everybody, we want to have kids. And I'm from a large family. There are six children in my family, four in Hap’s. We thought this would be easy. Well, we encountered very serious medical problems. Money couldn't solve it. Medicine couldn’t solve it; man couldn't solve it. You can run towards God, or you can just shake your fist at Him. And really we're grateful for His grace because we both were running at top speed towards God but getting nowhere. We were part of a church that said the gifts of the Spirit had ceased. God doesn’t heal today. Actually, you can't even know God's will today. So, it was a very, very difficult … infertility is excruciating. Of course, it also makes you very vulnerable. But, we are so thankful.

Happy Leman: You start reading the Bible and you make statements to me like … I read in the Bible that Jesus healed people and He seemed to give barren women babies. I kept telling Him that stuff doesn't happen anymore. That's Old Testament, that the Bible has changed. I’m this expert. I didn't know anything, but I was telling her all this. And Solomon had it right: a barren woman is never satisfied. She just kept saying, I know Jesus would give me a baby if he were here. One day in my office, I was a financial planner, a young man who worked there but I didn't even know he was a Christian, one day said to me, did you know that God is still doing the same miracles that he did 2,000 years ago? I thought, what? I don't know anything about miracles. I didn't study about them at the University of Illinois in six years, but we need one Tell me about it. And he started telling me about it. I go home and tell Dianne, and suddenly we had a little bit of hope.

Dianne Leman: Well, we did and he invited us to a meeting in Indianapolis. It was a meeting with Kenneth Copeland. We had never heard of Kenneth Copeland. We had been warned by our church and our parents to always stay away from anybody who did crazy things like speak in tongues or believe in in miracles. But we were desperate. We figured we'd go to Indianapolis; we would get a miracle. Hey, I might even come home pregnant, who knows? If God can do anything. But that meeting, it was a shock to our system. There was not one prayer. There was not one word spoken about miracles in healing. All that he spoke about was this person of the Holy Spirit. That was totally new to both of us.

Happy Leman: The faith we had grown up in, they mentioned the Holy Spirit. But that is the first time we had ever heard that. And it's like in Acts 19, where they kind of said we didn't know there was a Holy Spirit. We had heard the term, but it didn't mean anything to us. So, we agreed on the way home that we would kind of think about

Dianne Leman: Yeah, we would do a Bible study. I mean, that was our modus operandi. We would go home and we would search the Bible and I said whatever we find, I will never speak in tongues. I will never do anything crazy. Both of us are kind of control freaks. And, you know, hopefully, we've been healed of that. But nevertheless, we got home and went to bed. But Wow, I couldn't sleep. That was very rare for me. I now realize that was the Holy Spirit. But I got up and went downstairs and I pulled out the little booklets and we had bought at that meeting. I just thought, well, I'm just going to go through these steps here. It talks about out of your belly will flow rivers of living water. I thought, well, OK, I need that. I asked Jesus to baptize me in the Holy Spirit. And the next thing I knew, I was just opening my mouth to just say thank you because I could feel a sensation bubbling up in me and it was as though a river were coming. All of a sudden, I was speaking in a language I didn't know.

Jessilyn Lancaster: Something you said you would never do.

Dianne Leman: Never, ever. But I knew it was real. Of course, I was eager to tell Hap that next morning. But I always go back to the most astounding fruit of that experience, the almost immediate effect of our first baptism in the Holy Spirit. It wasn’t the gift of tongues, although to me that has been the most precious gift. I always say I don't know how anybody raises teenagers without the gift of tongues. I love that gift. But the next morning, it was as though scales fell off my eyes, off my heart. I saw Jesus, which is what the Holy Spirit does best. He's always shining the light on Jesus. I saw Jesus is indeed a healer. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. And it was very miraculous in my heart. Just a few days later, Hap had his own experience with the Holy Spirit.

We went to the experts now in Chicago. They had done everything for us in our local hospital, which is a top-notch hospital. We've done all the surgery, all the medication, everything available. This was the late 1970s now.

Happy Leman: So, this doctor in Chicago, supposedly the best in the Midwest, Northwestern Univdersity, he said to come back. I was a salesman who traveled a lot in my car. One day I’m in my my car and the strangest thing. I almost crying every time I tell it, but t I heard God talk to me. Oh, it was God. I wouldn't have known God if he had walked up to me. But he said, you're going to get really bad report and she called me he told me a few things that the doctor had said, but don't worry, I’ve got it all taken care of. I marched home and I got home later that day and I told Dianne, I said, you won’t believe it, but God talked to me, and here's what do you should. And her reaction was …

Dianne Leman: Well, again, you know, we were all new to this Spirit stuff. We were told God only talks in the Word. And now Hap was coming home and telling me he heard God. Well, my first response, to be honest, was if God was going to talk, He'd be talking to me because Hap had a few problems with his spiritual walk. He was making progress, but I had to force him to do his Bible study before he could watch TV and things like that. But I said, well, if God told you we're going to get really bad news, which I couldn't imagine it could be any worse than what we'd already heard … and the also said don't worry about it, it's going to be all right. Well, we're going to find out because within, I don't know, maybe a week or so, we were headed up to Chicago, walked in, they immediately ushered me into the doctor's office, did not have me undress, nothing. They just sat down and they said, I'm sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Leman, we have really bad news. So, what is was, not only did they confirm everything that was wrong with me physically that had been confirmed back in Urbana, Illinois, now, he says, we've located a rather sizable tumor about the size of an orange or so, and we want to remove that tumor. And actually, we're probably thinking it's going to be a total hysterectomy. So, you would have to obviously agree to that when you're under anesthesia before you go under anesthesia. Well, that was worse news.

 

Connect with Happy and Dianne Leman

·         On Dianne’s Facebook page

·         On Happy’s Facebook page

·         At thevineyardchurch.us

·         At dianneleman.com

 

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