Hope Through Cancer With Karen Schatzline

Hope Through Cancer With Karen Schatzline

After evangelist and author Karen Schatzline received her diagnosis, she asked her doctor not to use the words "cancer" or "leukemia" again, and he agreed. Listen to the first of our "Hope Through Cancer" series podcasts with host Marti Pieper to find out why—and to hear more of Karen's healing journey.

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Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Hope Through Cancer

Guest: Karen Schatzline

After evangelist and author Karen Schatzline received her diagnosis, she asked her doctor not to use the words “cancer” or "leukemia" again, and he agreed. Listen to the first of our "Hope Through Cancer" series podcasts with host Marti Pieper to find out why—and to hear more of Karen's healing journey.

Introduction

This episode is brought to you by the E book Revelatory Combat by Ryan LeStrange. Revelatory Combat is a concise look into the prophetic ministry and the partnership between prophets and apostles. It provides clarity for the battle facing the church in this hour. Ryan LeStrange and Charisma magazine are proud to offer you a year-long subscription of Charisma magazine, as well as a download of Revelatory Combat for only $20. If you'd like to take part in this offer, be sure to visit combat.charismamag.com or call 1-800-749-6500 and mention the word combat.

Marti Pieper: Karen Schatzline had trusted God since her teen years, or so she thought. But when her life journey included a diagnosis none of us wants to receive, He moved her into a new depth of relationship with Him. Welcome to Hope Through Cancer series on Charisma News. This is Marty Pieper. I'm so excited to introduce to you today a guest who has a strong personal testimony that makes her a perfect fit. Karen Schatzline is an international Christian evangelist and author who, with her husband, Pat, founded Remnant Ministries International in 1997.

 

Books by Karen and Pat Schatzline

·         Restore the Roar: Defeat the Spirit of Fear with the Breath and Power of God

·         Rebuilding the Altar: A Bold Call for a Fresh Encounter with God

·         I Am Remnant: Discover the Power to Stand for Truth in a Changing Culture

·         Unqualified: Where You Can Begin to be Great

 

I first became aware of God's anointing on Karen's life when I had the opportunity to edit an article based on Karen and Pat's book, Rebuilding the Altar. I scan thousands of words a day, and I assumed that this would be no different than the rest. But as I've read their powerful testimony of the Holy Spirit's work, my spirit bore witness to the truth and anointing of their words. I knew he would use this book and continue to use its authors. The Schatzline’s most recent book, Restore the Roar, will be released through Charisma House this August. Karen, your healing testimony began with a very simple question from the Lord: Karen, do you trust me? Could you tell us about that question and how you responded to it?

Restore the Roar

·         Defeat the lies of the enemy

·         Put your faith in God

·         Be courageous

·         Gives you a recipe to set you free and lead you into a place of freedom, destiny and purpose

 

Karen Schatzline: Absolutely. I think the reason God asked me that question is because throughout my whole life, trust was an issue. Just trusting people, trusting circumstances. One day when I was standing at the kitchen sink, just doing something normal … we were back from a trip and I had cooked dinner. I was just standing at the kitchen sink. just praying, not even really anything specific, just standing there. I heard the Holy Spirit speak to me. The first words that came to me were you're about to walk through a difficult and uncertain season. I would love to say that I immediately trusted that it was the voice of my father, Father God, the Holy Spirit. But my first reaction was to rebuke it like it was the enemy. I was like, no, God would never say that to me. Then immediately after I heard the same words, you're about to walk through a difficult uncertain season. What came next was what let me know that it was, in fact, the Holy Spirit speaking to me. I heard the words, but do you trust me? That struck such a chord to me because it was as if God was saying, Karen, you're about to walk through something. I didn't do it to you. I'm not causing this. A good father doesn't inflict pain on his children … that you're about to walk through something. But do you trust that I've already been where you're going? Do you trust that I've already walked the journey you're about to walk, and I've already secured the freedom on the other side? That came to me so quickly. I stood there for a moment and tears began to well up in my eyes because I have trusted issues. It was as if God was saying, do you trust Me enough to know that I will get you from point A to point B? Do you trust me? He didn't ask me about my faith. He knew I believed. He knew I knew that He could do it. But He asked me about trust because that's something deeper. I realized that faith is a result of my encounter with Him. I had had an encounter with Him, but trust is a result of my relationship with Him, that I can take a journey down memory lane. I can look at all the areas of my life, the photo album of my relationship with Him and see where he has never left me, never abandoned me, never walked out on me, never left me out, hung me out to dry, never walked out on me. So, whatever was coming down the pike in my life, I could rely on Him … fully trust, fully rely, fully depend on Him sheerly out of the basis of knowing how he had already been there for me in my life before. So, He asked me do you trust me? And in that moment, with tears running down my eyes, I said, yes, God, I do trust you, whatever it is. I'm going to trust You and walk with You through this journey.

Marti Pieper: And at that moment, you had no idea what you were facing, did you?

Karen Schatzline: In at that moment, right after that happened, within a short period of time, I had a disc rupture in my neck for the second time. I thought that's what it was about it because I had to go in and have surgery because it was causing shooting electrical pain down my arm. I thought, well, that's what it was about. I can I can handle that. I've had this surgery before. I'll be fine. But that wasn't it because we moved shortly after that from Alabama to Texas. And that's when I found out what was coming down the pike for me. I went to the doctor after we had moved because I started developing all kinds of symptoms. I was having headaches. I was tired all the time. I'm a very go get ‘em, wake up running kind of person. So, for me to be exhausted all the time, I thought, something's not right. Maybe I'm vitamin deficient. Maybe I'm just going too hard. I was tired, my bones were hurting. I had inflammation really bad. There were just so many symptoms that I knew that something wasn't right. So, I began to go to the doctors, one doctor after another. One doctor would refer me to another specialist. That specialist would refer me to another one. So, I finally ended up at a rheumatologist and they were thinking that maybe I had lupus, maybe even Lyme disease or something. They were just grasping for straws. Every test came back negative. So, until the very last test they took, and the rheumatologist looked at me in the room, and she said, all of these other tests are negative, but there is one test that came back abnormal. There is an issue with your blood. I looked at her and I was like, what does that even mean? She said, well, I'm going to refer you to another doctor.

And the moment she told me what doctor she was referring to me, she said, I'm going to refer you to a hematologist oncologist. The moment you hear that word, oncologist, you just know what you're looking at. I sat there in that chair just stunned for a few moments, kind of taken aback. I was there by myself. It was just a routine business that no one went with me. I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, how did it get to this point? I came in thinking, maybe you know, this or that. And then she's telling me she's sending me to an oncologist. All of a sudden, as I'm sitting there, immediately, the Holy Spirit took me back to that kitchen sink experience. I heard in my spirit, but do you trust me? I knew that this was the moment that I had been prepared for back at that kitchen sink. I looked at her and I said, OK, let's do this. I said, refer me to the doctor. I'm ready for this. That's when she referred me and I went to the oncologist and they actually confirmed that it was a rare form of leukemia that I was looking at.

Marti Pieper: When they gave you that diagnosis, you asked that from then on, they not use words that refer directly to that. You didn't want to hear that leukemia word, you didn't want to hear that other word. Help us understand more about the power of words and why you would make … that's kind of an unusual request. Karen. I don't imagine very many of their patients say that, but you had some very specific reasons for what you asked.

Karen Schatzline: I did. I'm a little bit of a stubborn person. The doctor really didn't have a chance when I came into the office, but when he said to me what the blood work meant … because I'm a very detailed person, I want to know everything. I want to know exactly what I'm facing, exactly what I'm looking at, exactly what I can expect down the road. So, after I let him tell me all of that, I looked at him and … now I can be so bold about it. In that moment, though, there were so many emotions running through my head. I cannot get away from the fact that in that moment all I kept hearing, literally every few seconds was, do you trust me? Do you trust me? Do you trust me? And so, in that moment, after he finished telling me everything, I simply looked at him and said, I understand what you're telling me. I understand what the diagnosis is. I understand what you see in the natural on the paperwork from my blood work. But I'm going to ask a request. I said, I'm not in denial. I'm not crazy. I'm not psychotic. But I am rejecting what you're telling me. I said, I know that is not meant for me. I said, I understand fully that this is the reality of what shows up in my blood. But I have to reject it in order to get through it. And I said here's what I'm asking in return. When I come in for my blood work, when I come in for my testing, I'm asking that you not call it leukemia or cancer. He looked at me really funny, you know, and I said, here's why. I said, I look at it like this. If my children bring home a stray dog, I said, I'm not going to give it a name because everybody knows if you name it, you're keeping it. It becomes a part of the family; it becomes a part of the scenery. It becomes a part of the atmosphere in your home. I said, I can't give this a name because I'm not keeping it. I said I can't accept it and keep it in my life.

And he looked at me and he was so kind, such an amazing doctor. And he said, OK, I will do that. So, every time I came into the doctor's office, he would look at me and he would say, you know what you're here for. And I say I do, but I'm not keeping it. He would just smile at me and go on through the testing. So, it became just a part of the atmosphere of my appointments with him. I think he became curious as to watch how this would play out because I knew I was living in reality. I knew what the doctor's report said. But I was living, seeing those things that are not as though they were. I saw in reality, there was a cancer diagnosis. I carry one of the rarest mutated cancer genes that there are. I know it's a series of numbers and letters. I can't even say it. And he would tell me, and he would monitor it, and he would want to do a bone marrow biopsy. Every time I went in, he would mention a bone marrow biopsy. And I would say to him, I know we need to do it. But can we wait one more month? Because I need to believe that this does not belong to me. And he would agree each time. It's just a miracle that he would agree to go along with what I was saying. But I knew that there is such power in the Word. The Bible tells us that life and death is in the tongue; that what we see goes into the atmosphere. What I learned this whole last year was … because fear tried to overtake me, this was a matter of fear in my life, fear of what would happen if something happened to me,  to my husband, to my children, to my grandchildren, that I had a race still that I needed to run and what would this do to that picture.

So, I had to believe and what the Bible says that what we speak … fear tried to overtake me and God showed me right during that time, that fear is just a learned or perceived apparition or hallucination that becomes and grows into an absolute in our life. So, by rejecting that diagnosis in my spirit, I was refusing to allow it to become an absolute that would become attached to my life and to my spirit.

 

Connect with Karen Schatzline

·         Raisetheremnant.com

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Hope Through Cancer

Guest: Karen Schatzline

After evangelist and author Karen Schatzline received her diagnosis, she asked her doctor not to use the words “cancer” or "leukemia" again, and he agreed. Listen to the first of our "Hope Through Cancer" series podcasts with host Marti Pieper to find out why—and to hear more of Karen's healing journey.

Introduction

This episode is brought to you by the E book Revelatory Combat by Ryan LeStrange. Revelatory Combat is a concise look into the prophetic ministry and the partnership between prophets and apostles. It provides clarity for the battle facing the church in this hour. Ryan LeStrange and Charisma magazine are proud to offer you a year-long subscription of Charisma magazine, as well as a download of Revelatory Combat for only $20. If you'd like to take part in this offer, be sure to visit combat.charismamag.com or call 1-800-749-6500 and mention the word combat.

Marti Pieper: Karen Schatzline had trusted God since her teen years, or so she thought. But when her life journey included a diagnosis none of us wants to receive, He moved her into a new depth of relationship with Him. Welcome to Hope Through Cancer series on Charisma News. This is Marty Pieper. I'm so excited to introduce to you today a guest who has a strong personal testimony that makes her a perfect fit. Karen Schatzline is an international Christian evangelist and author who, with her husband, Pat, founded Remnant Ministries International in 1997.

 

Books by Karen and Pat Schatzline

·         Restore the Roar: Defeat the Spirit of Fear with the Breath and Power of God

·         Rebuilding the Altar: A Bold Call for a Fresh Encounter with God

·         I Am Remnant: Discover the Power to Stand for Truth in a Changing Culture

·         Unqualified: Where You Can Begin to be Great

 

I first became aware of God's anointing on Karen's life when I had the opportunity to edit an article based on Karen and Pat's book, Rebuilding the Altar. I scan thousands of words a day, and I assumed that this would be no different than the rest. But as I've read their powerful testimony of the Holy Spirit's work, my spirit bore witness to the truth and anointing of their words. I knew he would use this book and continue to use its authors. The Schatzline’s most recent book, Restore the Roar, will be released through Charisma House this August. Karen, your healing testimony began with a very simple question from the Lord: Karen, do you trust me? Could you tell us about that question and how you responded to it?

Restore the Roar

·         Defeat the lies of the enemy

·         Put your faith in God

·         Be courageous

·         Gives you a recipe to set you free and lead you into a place of freedom, destiny and purpose

 

Karen Schatzline: Absolutely. I think the reason God asked me that question is because throughout my whole life, trust was an issue. Just trusting people, trusting circumstances. One day when I was standing at the kitchen sink, just doing something normal … we were back from a trip and I had cooked dinner. I was just standing at the kitchen sink. just praying, not even really anything specific, just standing there. I heard the Holy Spirit speak to me. The first words that came to me were you're about to walk through a difficult and uncertain season. I would love to say that I immediately trusted that it was the voice of my father, Father God, the Holy Spirit. But my first reaction was to rebuke it like it was the enemy. I was like, no, God would never say that to me. Then immediately after I heard the same words, you're about to walk through a difficult uncertain season. What came next was what let me know that it was, in fact, the Holy Spirit speaking to me. I heard the words, but do you trust me? That struck such a chord to me because it was as if God was saying, Karen, you're about to walk through something. I didn't do it to you. I'm not causing this. A good father doesn't inflict pain on his children … that you're about to walk through something. But do you trust that I've already been where you're going? Do you trust that I've already walked the journey you're about to walk, and I've already secured the freedom on the other side? That came to me so quickly. I stood there for a moment and tears began to well up in my eyes because I have trusted issues. It was as if God was saying, do you trust Me enough to know that I will get you from point A to point B? Do you trust me? He didn't ask me about my faith. He knew I believed. He knew I knew that He could do it. But He asked me about trust because that's something deeper. I realized that faith is a result of my encounter with Him. I had had an encounter with Him, but trust is a result of my relationship with Him, that I can take a journey down memory lane. I can look at all the areas of my life, the photo album of my relationship with Him and see where he has never left me, never abandoned me, never walked out on me, never left me out, hung me out to dry, never walked out on me. So, whatever was coming down the pike in my life, I could rely on Him … fully trust, fully rely, fully depend on Him sheerly out of the basis of knowing how he had already been there for me in my life before. So, He asked me do you trust me? And in that moment, with tears running down my eyes, I said, yes, God, I do trust you, whatever it is. I'm going to trust You and walk with You through this journey.

Marti Pieper: And at that moment, you had no idea what you were facing, did you?

Karen Schatzline: In at that moment, right after that happened, within a short period of time, I had a disc rupture in my neck for the second time. I thought that's what it was about it because I had to go in and have surgery because it was causing shooting electrical pain down my arm. I thought, well, that's what it was about. I can I can handle that. I've had this surgery before. I'll be fine. But that wasn't it because we moved shortly after that from Alabama to Texas. And that's when I found out what was coming down the pike for me. I went to the doctor after we had moved because I started developing all kinds of symptoms. I was having headaches. I was tired all the time. I'm a very go get ‘em, wake up running kind of person. So, for me to be exhausted all the time, I thought, something's not right. Maybe I'm vitamin deficient. Maybe I'm just going too hard. I was tired, my bones were hurting. I had inflammation really bad. There were just so many symptoms that I knew that something wasn't right. So, I began to go to the doctors, one doctor after another. One doctor would refer me to another specialist. That specialist would refer me to another one. So, I finally ended up at a rheumatologist and they were thinking that maybe I had lupus, maybe even Lyme disease or something. They were just grasping for straws. Every test came back negative. So, until the very last test they took, and the rheumatologist looked at me in the room, and she said, all of these other tests are negative, but there is one test that came back abnormal. There is an issue with your blood. I looked at her and I was like, what does that even mean? She said, well, I'm going to refer you to another doctor.

And the moment she told me what doctor she was referring to me, she said, I'm going to refer you to a hematologist oncologist. The moment you hear that word, oncologist, you just know what you're looking at. I sat there in that chair just stunned for a few moments, kind of taken aback. I was there by myself. It was just a routine business that no one went with me. I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, how did it get to this point? I came in thinking, maybe you know, this or that. And then she's telling me she's sending me to an oncologist. All of a sudden, as I'm sitting there, immediately, the Holy Spirit took me back to that kitchen sink experience. I heard in my spirit, but do you trust me? I knew that this was the moment that I had been prepared for back at that kitchen sink. I looked at her and I said, OK, let's do this. I said, refer me to the doctor. I'm ready for this. That's when she referred me and I went to the oncologist and they actually confirmed that it was a rare form of leukemia that I was looking at.

Marti Pieper: When they gave you that diagnosis, you asked that from then on, they not use words that refer directly to that. You didn't want to hear that leukemia word, you didn't want to hear that other word. Help us understand more about the power of words and why you would make … that's kind of an unusual request. Karen. I don't imagine very many of their patients say that, but you had some very specific reasons for what you asked.

Karen Schatzline: I did. I'm a little bit of a stubborn person. The doctor really didn't have a chance when I came into the office, but when he said to me what the blood work meant … because I'm a very detailed person, I want to know everything. I want to know exactly what I'm facing, exactly what I'm looking at, exactly what I can expect down the road. So, after I let him tell me all of that, I looked at him and … now I can be so bold about it. In that moment, though, there were so many emotions running through my head. I cannot get away from the fact that in that moment all I kept hearing, literally every few seconds was, do you trust me? Do you trust me? Do you trust me? And so, in that moment, after he finished telling me everything, I simply looked at him and said, I understand what you're telling me. I understand what the diagnosis is. I understand what you see in the natural on the paperwork from my blood work. But I'm going to ask a request. I said, I'm not in denial. I'm not crazy. I'm not psychotic. But I am rejecting what you're telling me. I said, I know that is not meant for me. I said, I understand fully that this is the reality of what shows up in my blood. But I have to reject it in order to get through it. And I said here's what I'm asking in return. When I come in for my blood work, when I come in for my testing, I'm asking that you not call it leukemia or cancer. He looked at me really funny, you know, and I said, here's why. I said, I look at it like this. If my children bring home a stray dog, I said, I'm not going to give it a name because everybody knows if you name it, you're keeping it. It becomes a part of the family; it becomes a part of the scenery. It becomes a part of the atmosphere in your home. I said, I can't give this a name because I'm not keeping it. I said I can't accept it and keep it in my life.

And he looked at me and he was so kind, such an amazing doctor. And he said, OK, I will do that. So, every time I came into the doctor's office, he would look at me and he would say, you know what you're here for. And I say I do, but I'm not keeping it. He would just smile at me and go on through the testing. So, it became just a part of the atmosphere of my appointments with him. I think he became curious as to watch how this would play out because I knew I was living in reality. I knew what the doctor's report said. But I was living, seeing those things that are not as though they were. I saw in reality, there was a cancer diagnosis. I carry one of the rarest mutated cancer genes that there are. I know it's a series of numbers and letters. I can't even say it. And he would tell me, and he would monitor it, and he would want to do a bone marrow biopsy. Every time I went in, he would mention a bone marrow biopsy. And I would say to him, I know we need to do it. But can we wait one more month? Because I need to believe that this does not belong to me. And he would agree each time. It's just a miracle that he would agree to go along with what I was saying. But I knew that there is such power in the Word. The Bible tells us that life and death is in the tongue; that what we see goes into the atmosphere. What I learned this whole last year was … because fear tried to overtake me, this was a matter of fear in my life, fear of what would happen if something happened to me,  to my husband, to my children, to my grandchildren, that I had a race still that I needed to run and what would this do to that picture.

So, I had to believe and what the Bible says that what we speak … fear tried to overtake me and God showed me right during that time, that fear is just a learned or perceived apparition or hallucination that becomes and grows into an absolute in our life. So, by rejecting that diagnosis in my spirit, I was refusing to allow it to become an absolute that would become attached to my life and to my spirit.

 

Connect with Karen Schatzline

·         Raisetheremnant.com

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

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