Grief in the Womb With Jeffrey and Kristine Moore

Grief in the Womb With Jeffrey and Kristine Moore

She wanted to adopt. He did not. But God gave Jeffrey Moore a supernatural dream that changed everything. Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews Jeffrey and Kristine to hear how God guided every step of their emotional adoption journey.

40 Minutes • 21 days ago

Episode Notes

 

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: Jeffrey and Kristine Moore

She wanted to adopt. He did not. But God gave Jeffrey Moore a supernatural dream that changed everything. Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews Jeffrey and Kristine to hear how God guided every step of their emotional adoption journey.

Introduction

I'm Jessilyn Lancaster. And today in studio we're joined by Jeffrey S. Moore for our Grief in the Womb series. Jeffrey and his wife, Kristine, both really experienced this as they were trying to figure out how to start their family. Instead of going through the IVF route, they actually decided to adopt, but that wasn't until they had a supernatural dream. Jeffrey tells all and his wife, Kristine, joins us via phone on this special episode of Grief in the Womb.

 

More Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         With Lynette Lewis

·         With Jen Maynard

·         With Dianne and Happy Leman

·         With John and Amy Burton

·         With Julia Jeffress Sadler

·         With Meghann Bowman

 

Jessilyn Lancaster: It is kind of weird right now for us because we have Jeffrey in studio and Kristine on the line. It's so good to have them together as a couple. Jeffrey is the author of We Believe, and they have quite a remarkable story through miscarriages and into adoption, which was wholly led by the Lord. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Jeffrey Moore: We have a really interesting journey, as many people do. When we first got married in 1996, we were excited about having children. It took a couple years before we got pregnant the first time. Our first pregnancy ended in miscarriage, which was very difficult. That was not what we were expecting, we felt that the Lord had told us that we were going to have children and we were looking forward to that. That was not the outcome that we were expecting. About a year later, we were pregnant again. The one thing we didn't want to happen was to repeat the process. The first time that we had a miscarriage, there was still the hope that there was a one-time thing, and the next time would be different. The second time, Kristine’s pregnancy ended in another miscarriage as well. That was probably even more difficult than the first one because we were beginning to question a lot of things that we maybe didn't question the first time … questioning, all the things … is God good? Does He still love us? What's going on? Did we do something wrong? All of those kinds of things. So, it was really hard, especially the second one.

 

·         Read We Believed: Our Ten-Year Journey Pursuing God’s Promises to Adopt Four Children by Jeffrey S. Moore

When you read We Believed, you learn how to:

·         Hear God’s voice confidently

·         Deciper His prophetic messages quickly

·         Grow your faith as you pursue God’s promises in your own life

 

Jessilyn Lancaster: Those are completely valid questions, especially when you've experienced so much pain. Kristine, can you tell me where you were at during this time?

Kristine Moore: Well, not in a super great place. A lot of our friends had already had kids. So, of course, it's devastating to lose your own kids. I think that the big thing was just holding on to Jesus in the midst of the questions. I was so lucky to have a supportive husband. We knew several people who had had miscarriages and sometimes one can blame the other. That just compounds the devastation. So, Jeffrey was very supportive, very on board with I guess the pain that I was going through? Because you question yourself as a woman and you question so much with God, and you question your purpose in life. There's just so much that that pulls up. We had not experienced any kind of miscarriage in our family. But we did have some friends that had experienced it. I think one of the worst things about miscarriage is it carries shame with it. I don't totally understand why that is, but it does. No one mentions it, no one talks about it. When I had questioned the OB GYN about it when my friend went through it, her thing was, oh, this never happens. We aren't going to deal with this. She really shut me down. And then it happened to us. So, it was just such a shock. When it happens to you, the doctors can treat it like it wasn’t important, or it wasn't a baby or it wasn't … so you're reeling with the shock of what has happened, and you are reeling with the shock of how they're treating you the process of that happening. It was really difficult. I felt like after the second miscarriage that Jesus just said to me, right in the midst of just the pain and the craziness at that time, he brought me the image of being on a boat like he was when the storm was raging about him. And he said, I know that you're in this storm. And if you ask me, I will stop it. I will bring peace. I will say peace and you will have it. But are you willing to trust me enough to ride the storm out so that you have something beautiful after it? It was so hard. I wrestled. In the midst of it, it was just horrifying. You want that peace so bad and you want it all just to stop. I was able to come to the place where it was like, Jesus, I want everything. I even want the pain and the suffering and everything that you have for me. It was so hard, just really hard. But Jesus is so faithful. He gave me kind of that … when you're in this crazy storm, and you have that wildness builds up in you like, this is crazy. But He was so faithful to give me that, that wildness, like, I can do this, and it's going to be glorious with Him. Out of that second, miscarriage and suffering that we went through was kind of a little bit where I think the seeds of our adoption story was planted. We started seeing Jesus. We had had just a wonderful life up until these miscarriages. Really, we did. We had great families and great experiences and stuff. It was like Jesus allowed us to see Him as the suffering Jesus. I think that that started to spur us on to be launched into orphans and the suffering of orphans and the suffering that Jesus Himself went through on the cross when He said, My God, my God, how could You forsake me. He was an orphan at that moment when He was cut off from his daddy. Going through that suffering was like the seeds that He was already planting in our hearts to see Him as He suffered and to get ahold of His heart for the suffering of the world.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I want to thank you guys for being vulnerable and opening up and sharing your story. Second, I find it interesting that you mentioned the scripture where Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me,” because so many of the interviews I've had for this series, they very much relate to that story. They find comfort in knowing that even Jesus Himself felt abandoned. That didn't mean that He was abandoned or that the Father didn't love Him. That was just what the circumstances of life were showing him. And third, you mentioned your adoption story. Jeffrey, I'm going to move over to you because it seemed like you were not quite open to adoption until the Lord gave you a vision.

Jeffrey Moore: I wasn't. And to add one more piece of the puzzle that I feel like that I'm supposed to share … After the miscarriages, a couple years later, we became pregnant again. Both of the miscarriages had occurred at the eighth week of pregnancy. And remember, we had specifically we're going to wait before we go to the doctor until that eighth week is done. And so, to be sure, when we go in for the first time that we can see everything's OK and we don't get hopeful before the time. We went in and we had miscalculated somehow. As it turns out, they said, well, your baby's healthy. It's seven weeks. We thought, oh no. We thought this was different. I remember we both left and Kristine was driving me to work after the doctor's appointment. We were just kind of numb and in shock. We thought we were further along, and what if this happens again a third time. We were driving down a street that we'd never been on before. We passed a church and on the sign in the front of the church, there was a verse. It was from Isaiah 43 that said, “Forget the former things. I'm doing something new. Do you not perceive it?” I said, honey, did you see that sign? She's like, no, I'm driving. I said, go back and look at it. There was a different verse on the other side of the sign. It was just on that one side. We looked at that verse, and we just felt like that there was a resonance of the Holy Spirit saying something new is happening here. And seven months later, we had our first biological son. His name is Joshua. And so, God was doing something new.

So, fast forward. Our biological son is a couple years old in 2007. And we're starting to think about having children. We believe that God wanted us to have some others. So, we were kind of praying about that, considering it. In the month of May of 2007, Christine had actually decided to seek the Lord a little differently than she had in the past, and that was by observing one of the watches of the night. And Chuck Pierce writes a great book called reordering Your Day that talks about the Jewish watches of the nigh. So, she was going to observe the fourth watch of the night. She was going to get up at 3am and spend from three to six every morning with the Lord for the whole month of May. So, I, being the good husband that I am, said, oh, I'll go before my wife, and help, pave the way smooth away for her. I was gonna do it for one day. That was my commitment. If God woke me up, then I would get up and spend a couple hours. Well, I did. And the time with the Lord was so amazing and so rich, I'm like, this is the best thing. This is amazing. So, I'm like, I'm going to continue doing it. Long story short, which I talked about in the book We Believed, I tell the story. Kristine, the watches are different. You're getting a different revelation at different watches of the night. And what was happening was Kristine’s time was terrible in the sense that it was like all spiritual warfare. It was like dry and spiritual warfare. So, I'm like getting up in the middle of the night and having these wonderful encounters with the Lord. Then she's coming in right after me and just warring the whole three hours, feeling like, this is a terrible thing. Why did I choose to do this? But what we didn't realize until later in the month was that what was actually happening, I was getting the revelation for our family in that season. Kristine was then fighting for it to bring that into reality.

 

Connect with the Moores

·         Webelievedbook.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

·         Setsailministries.com

 

Episode Notes

 

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: Jeffrey and Kristine Moore

She wanted to adopt. He did not. But God gave Jeffrey Moore a supernatural dream that changed everything. Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster interviews Jeffrey and Kristine to hear how God guided every step of their emotional adoption journey.

Introduction

I'm Jessilyn Lancaster. And today in studio we're joined by Jeffrey S. Moore for our Grief in the Womb series. Jeffrey and his wife, Kristine, both really experienced this as they were trying to figure out how to start their family. Instead of going through the IVF route, they actually decided to adopt, but that wasn't until they had a supernatural dream. Jeffrey tells all and his wife, Kristine, joins us via phone on this special episode of Grief in the Womb.

 

More Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         With Lynette Lewis

·         With Jen Maynard

·         With Dianne and Happy Leman

·         With John and Amy Burton

·         With Julia Jeffress Sadler

·         With Meghann Bowman

 

Jessilyn Lancaster: It is kind of weird right now for us because we have Jeffrey in studio and Kristine on the line. It's so good to have them together as a couple. Jeffrey is the author of We Believe, and they have quite a remarkable story through miscarriages and into adoption, which was wholly led by the Lord. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Jeffrey Moore: We have a really interesting journey, as many people do. When we first got married in 1996, we were excited about having children. It took a couple years before we got pregnant the first time. Our first pregnancy ended in miscarriage, which was very difficult. That was not what we were expecting, we felt that the Lord had told us that we were going to have children and we were looking forward to that. That was not the outcome that we were expecting. About a year later, we were pregnant again. The one thing we didn't want to happen was to repeat the process. The first time that we had a miscarriage, there was still the hope that there was a one-time thing, and the next time would be different. The second time, Kristine’s pregnancy ended in another miscarriage as well. That was probably even more difficult than the first one because we were beginning to question a lot of things that we maybe didn't question the first time … questioning, all the things … is God good? Does He still love us? What's going on? Did we do something wrong? All of those kinds of things. So, it was really hard, especially the second one.

 

·         Read We Believed: Our Ten-Year Journey Pursuing God’s Promises to Adopt Four Children by Jeffrey S. Moore

When you read We Believed, you learn how to:

·         Hear God’s voice confidently

·         Deciper His prophetic messages quickly

·         Grow your faith as you pursue God’s promises in your own life

 

Jessilyn Lancaster: Those are completely valid questions, especially when you've experienced so much pain. Kristine, can you tell me where you were at during this time?

Kristine Moore: Well, not in a super great place. A lot of our friends had already had kids. So, of course, it's devastating to lose your own kids. I think that the big thing was just holding on to Jesus in the midst of the questions. I was so lucky to have a supportive husband. We knew several people who had had miscarriages and sometimes one can blame the other. That just compounds the devastation. So, Jeffrey was very supportive, very on board with I guess the pain that I was going through? Because you question yourself as a woman and you question so much with God, and you question your purpose in life. There's just so much that that pulls up. We had not experienced any kind of miscarriage in our family. But we did have some friends that had experienced it. I think one of the worst things about miscarriage is it carries shame with it. I don't totally understand why that is, but it does. No one mentions it, no one talks about it. When I had questioned the OB GYN about it when my friend went through it, her thing was, oh, this never happens. We aren't going to deal with this. She really shut me down. And then it happened to us. So, it was just such a shock. When it happens to you, the doctors can treat it like it wasn’t important, or it wasn't a baby or it wasn't … so you're reeling with the shock of what has happened, and you are reeling with the shock of how they're treating you the process of that happening. It was really difficult. I felt like after the second miscarriage that Jesus just said to me, right in the midst of just the pain and the craziness at that time, he brought me the image of being on a boat like he was when the storm was raging about him. And he said, I know that you're in this storm. And if you ask me, I will stop it. I will bring peace. I will say peace and you will have it. But are you willing to trust me enough to ride the storm out so that you have something beautiful after it? It was so hard. I wrestled. In the midst of it, it was just horrifying. You want that peace so bad and you want it all just to stop. I was able to come to the place where it was like, Jesus, I want everything. I even want the pain and the suffering and everything that you have for me. It was so hard, just really hard. But Jesus is so faithful. He gave me kind of that … when you're in this crazy storm, and you have that wildness builds up in you like, this is crazy. But He was so faithful to give me that, that wildness, like, I can do this, and it's going to be glorious with Him. Out of that second, miscarriage and suffering that we went through was kind of a little bit where I think the seeds of our adoption story was planted. We started seeing Jesus. We had had just a wonderful life up until these miscarriages. Really, we did. We had great families and great experiences and stuff. It was like Jesus allowed us to see Him as the suffering Jesus. I think that that started to spur us on to be launched into orphans and the suffering of orphans and the suffering that Jesus Himself went through on the cross when He said, My God, my God, how could You forsake me. He was an orphan at that moment when He was cut off from his daddy. Going through that suffering was like the seeds that He was already planting in our hearts to see Him as He suffered and to get ahold of His heart for the suffering of the world.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I want to thank you guys for being vulnerable and opening up and sharing your story. Second, I find it interesting that you mentioned the scripture where Jesus said, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me,” because so many of the interviews I've had for this series, they very much relate to that story. They find comfort in knowing that even Jesus Himself felt abandoned. That didn't mean that He was abandoned or that the Father didn't love Him. That was just what the circumstances of life were showing him. And third, you mentioned your adoption story. Jeffrey, I'm going to move over to you because it seemed like you were not quite open to adoption until the Lord gave you a vision.

Jeffrey Moore: I wasn't. And to add one more piece of the puzzle that I feel like that I'm supposed to share … After the miscarriages, a couple years later, we became pregnant again. Both of the miscarriages had occurred at the eighth week of pregnancy. And remember, we had specifically we're going to wait before we go to the doctor until that eighth week is done. And so, to be sure, when we go in for the first time that we can see everything's OK and we don't get hopeful before the time. We went in and we had miscalculated somehow. As it turns out, they said, well, your baby's healthy. It's seven weeks. We thought, oh no. We thought this was different. I remember we both left and Kristine was driving me to work after the doctor's appointment. We were just kind of numb and in shock. We thought we were further along, and what if this happens again a third time. We were driving down a street that we'd never been on before. We passed a church and on the sign in the front of the church, there was a verse. It was from Isaiah 43 that said, “Forget the former things. I'm doing something new. Do you not perceive it?” I said, honey, did you see that sign? She's like, no, I'm driving. I said, go back and look at it. There was a different verse on the other side of the sign. It was just on that one side. We looked at that verse, and we just felt like that there was a resonance of the Holy Spirit saying something new is happening here. And seven months later, we had our first biological son. His name is Joshua. And so, God was doing something new.

So, fast forward. Our biological son is a couple years old in 2007. And we're starting to think about having children. We believe that God wanted us to have some others. So, we were kind of praying about that, considering it. In the month of May of 2007, Christine had actually decided to seek the Lord a little differently than she had in the past, and that was by observing one of the watches of the night. And Chuck Pierce writes a great book called reordering Your Day that talks about the Jewish watches of the nigh. So, she was going to observe the fourth watch of the night. She was going to get up at 3am and spend from three to six every morning with the Lord for the whole month of May. So, I, being the good husband that I am, said, oh, I'll go before my wife, and help, pave the way smooth away for her. I was gonna do it for one day. That was my commitment. If God woke me up, then I would get up and spend a couple hours. Well, I did. And the time with the Lord was so amazing and so rich, I'm like, this is the best thing. This is amazing. So, I'm like, I'm going to continue doing it. Long story short, which I talked about in the book We Believed, I tell the story. Kristine, the watches are different. You're getting a different revelation at different watches of the night. And what was happening was Kristine’s time was terrible in the sense that it was like all spiritual warfare. It was like dry and spiritual warfare. So, I'm like getting up in the middle of the night and having these wonderful encounters with the Lord. Then she's coming in right after me and just warring the whole three hours, feeling like, this is a terrible thing. Why did I choose to do this? But what we didn't realize until later in the month was that what was actually happening, I was getting the revelation for our family in that season. Kristine was then fighting for it to bring that into reality.

 

Connect with the Moores

·         Webelievedbook.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

·         Setsailministries.com

 

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