Grief in the Womb With John and Amy Burton

Grief in the Womb With John and Amy Burton

In her nightmare, Amy Burton saw a woman involved in the occult stabbing her pregnant stomach. As a Spirit-filled Christian, Amy warred over the dream with prayers and declarations. But she lost that baby—and more who followed. Where was God? Why didn't He heal her? Why did she continue to miscarry? Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster asks Amy and her husband, John, about these important life questions.

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Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: John and Amy Burton

In her nightmare, Amy Burton saw a woman involved in the occult stabbing her pregnant stomach. As a Spirit-filled Christian, Amy warred over the dream with prayers and declarations. But she lost that baby—and more who followed. Where was God? Why didn't He heal her? Why did she continue to miscarry?

Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster asks Amy and her husband, John, about these important life questions.

Introduction

Jessilyn Lancaster: Welcome to the Charisma News podcast. I'm your host, Jessilyn Lancaster. I have John and Amy Burton on the line. In a nightmare. Amy Burton saw a woman involved in the occult stabbing her pregnant stomach. As a spirit-filled Christian, Amy warred over the dream with prayers and declarations, but she lost that baby. And she lost more who followed. Where was God? Why didn't he heal her? Why did she continue to miscarry?

 

John Burton on Charisma

·         Witchcraft Killed My Unborn Baby Daughter

·         Should the Church Get ‘Scary?’

·         Why Church Size Has Nothing to Do with Anointing

·         Prophetic Dream: Self-Absorbed Apostles Are Compromising Church

·         A Call to Return to Convicting Preaching That Riles Demons

·         7 Reasons Pastors Stay Silent in Our Wicked Culture

·         See all of John’s articles on Charisma

 

Listen to the podcast to hear Amy and her husband, John, discuss these important questions. It is a pleasure to have you here and talk a little bit about your testimony. But before we get into that, tell our listeners who may not be familiar with you guys, who you are and what you do.

John Burton: We've been in ministry for I think forever, it seems for years and years. We planted a couple of churches in Colorado and Detroit. Of course, I do a lot of writing and travel and speak and just all that kind of stuff. My focus is prayer and revival and awakening and just believing for transformation in the nation and the nations of the earth. Amy has been running the race with me for every step of the way.

 

Other Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         With Julia Jeffress Sadler

 

Amy Burton: We've been married almost 24 years. Now we're in Branson, Missouri and we're kind of mixing ministry in with owning some attractions. We're having a great life right now.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I love it. Like I mentioned earlier, this is for our faith and infertility series, just exploring a topic that's close to so many people's hearts. I know you guys have a really interesting, intense, spiritual story that goes along with this. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about that?

 

Listen to John Burton’s Podcasts

·         At burton.tv

 

Amy Burton: Yes, so our story began in 2003. At that time, we were pregnant for our third child. And John, why don't you go into some of the spiritual aspects and then I can kind of follow up on what happened after.

 

John Burton Books

·         The Coming Church: A Fierce Invasion from Heaven is Drawing Near

·         Covens in the Church: A Study in Unity and Healthy Church Relationships

·         Revelation Driven Prayer: Discover the Shock and Awe of God’s Voice

·         20 Elements of Revival: A Biblical Formula for Fire

 

John Burton: It’s kind of a crazy long story short. I wrote about this, I think, in Charisma, a little while back, but we were in Manitou Springs, Colorado, which, you know, some people call it the darkest city in the nation. There's a lot of witchcraft and the occult there. Anton Lavey, who wrote the Satanic Bible, lived there. So, we planted a church there. Most churches there failed. In fact, we were really surprised and wonderfully surprised that God was doing so much there and our ministry was growing. In the midst of all of that, the warfare was continual and man, we would experience some of the craziest, most bizarre things, that you can imagine, almost like a third-world country, where we've heard stories in India or Haiti or different places like that. One of the experiences that we had was, and I'm not going to go into too much detail right now for the sake of time, but it was extremely demonic. Amy had a dream. In in her dream she saw somebody stabbing the baby, stabbing her stomach with a knife. Of course, she woke up and we prayed and it was very traumatic. The next day we had a staff meeting for the church. We asked for prayer before we kicked into our staff meeting and before we even can tell what happened, one of our staff members says wait a minute. I got to tell you something, Amy. I had a dream about you and last night somebody went to stab you in the stomach to kill your baby. We were just blown away. Then someone else next to her said that they had a similar thing happen.  And then a friend of Amy's called after the after that and had no idea about any of this and said she had a dream and she explained the person in the dream to a tee, who it was. So, we kicked into some crazy prayer and warfare and did everything that we need to do.

Amy Burton: So, this person in the dream was somebody who had been heavily involved in the occult and in witchcraft and who we had prayed deliverance for but who had fallen back into the occult. So, we didn't really know what more to do other than to take that to the Lord in prayer. I was at 19 weeks, and we went in for our ultrasound where we thought we were going to find out the gender of the baby. It was Christmas Eve, I mean, mega celebration time for us. Our whole family was there. So we had my parents and our two boys with us, and we went into the ultrasound just very excited thinking we're going to get to find out whether we're having a boy or a girl and right before we went in there, John had this feeling from the Lord that was just this overwhelming feeling of, I don't know, peace and grace or something like that.

John Burton: It was like supernatural strength. It was surprising to me like, why in the world am I receiving supernatural strength right now it was. It was weird. But I found out pretty quickly.

Amy Burton: So, when we went in there, the ultrasound started and the ultrasound tech was kind of going over my stomach and I could see our baby. I could see her profile and I could see her arms and her legs and her head and things like that. But the ultrasound tech was very quiet. So, after a moment, she sat down the wand and said, I'm going to go find a doctor on-call. We were the last patients of the day. She was getting ready to go home. So, she left and I still was not totally aware of what was going on. But I told John and my mom, I said, that kind of concerns me that she would just leave like that. I thought that was odd. In a moment, she came back with the doctor, and the doctor said, I'm sorry, we can't find a heartbeat. And I was kind of in denial. I said, I was just here a couple weeks ago and everything was fine. I don't understand, what do you mean? So, he told me that within the couple of weeks since I've been there, the baby had passed away. So, they asked me to come back the day after Christmas to have my labor induced. So, Christmas Day, everything that I opened, either had to do with the baby or maternity clothing or something like that, and I would just kind of each open each thing and set them aside. Then, on the day after Christmas, I went in and my labor was induced, and we delivered our little girl, Elizabeth Hope, on December 27. So, that was kind of the start of our journey, walking through loss. And, over the course of six years between 2003 and 2009, I was pregnant eight times and I lost seven of those babies through either stillbirth or miscarriage. So, it was a very, very difficult time, just kind of figuring out, God, what's going on here and what part of this is physical and what part of this is spiritual? As John said, there, there were a lot of spiritual component leading up to this. Is there anything to be done those sorts of things … just kind of wrestling with the Lord and dealing with heartache and loss and grief and all those things, too. So that's kind of the gist of our story. There's way more to it.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I understand. But first, I want to thank you guys for being vulnerable and opening up about this painful time in your lives. You had mentioned earlier what part of it is spiritual and what part is physical? Tell me about your faith through this process through the six years as you guys are wrestling with this.

Amy Burton: For me, it kind of vacillated between really trusting the Lord and knowing that He had a plan and, at other times, just really struggling … wondering is God real even? Is He good? Things like that. We had kind of another dramatic story. In 2008, I was pregnant with our daughter, Libby, and at 21 weeks, we found out that she had passed away. At that time, the Lakeland revival was going on, we hopped on a plane and flew to Lakeland, praying and believing for a miracle that she would be raised from the dead. So, for two or three days, we just had people praying over us for a miracle.

John Burton: In fact, there was something that was just absolutely crazy. This is why the faith journey is so bizarre. We flew to Lakeland, like literally that night, and we got there and somebody was calling me, someone I had never met. They had apparently heard that we were on our way. She said, you need to get here now, you need to get here now. So, we got off the plane, we got a rental car, we drove to Lakeland. It’s late now, like nine or 10 at night, and I'm wondering if they're even still going. We found a parking spot that was close. I think God gave us that parking spots because there were so many cars. We got out of the car. We ran into this event where there was 10,000 people. I don't even know how we would find this stranger that was calling us. She was standing there waiting for us, and we ran in and we were escorted backstage. The reason she was so excited and it was such an urgent moment is that the person on stage was actually preaching about an experience where his wife and him had lost their daughter. She was dead in his wife's womb. He prayed and the baby was resurrected. That child was actually on stage there in Lakeland. So, that was all happening as we were arriving. Then the next night CNN was going to be there. So, in our mind, there's going to be … I mean, everything's lining up. There's going to be this dramatic miracle, and the baby … we had our little portable Doppler with us and we're going to find a heartbeat and CNN was going to broadcast it and revival is going to be proclaimed to the nation in unity. We had all these thoughts of how God's going to make it happen. Sadly, we went home a few days later and delivered a dead baby. How in the world do you deal with that? Especially my wife, even more so, she didn't have the answers.

Amy Burton: So, after Libby's loss, I would say my faith really struggled. I really kind of took a hit and I was really in a dark place wondering, could I could I even still believe in healing anymore? Could I even still believe in miracles anymore? And for six months, it was very hard and I would go to sleep with Libby's blanket and crying myself to sleep every night. Libby was my fifth loss, but I think because we had believed so hard for that miracle that, when it didn't happen, it was just so devastating. But six months after I lost her one night, the same thing, I was crying myself to sleep, sleeping with her blanket and, and it was like Jesus himself came into that room. I can't explain it, but I felt His presence in such a tangible way that it was undeniable that He was there with me and He was walking beside me. At that point I just knew. I didn't have all the answers, and I still don't. But I knew that Jesus was there beside me and that He was walking with me and that, I knew I was going to be OK at that point. So, that that's kind of how my faith journey has been, accepting that, even though I will never have all the answers in this lifetime, I know that Jesus is there with me.

 

Connect with John Burton

·         At burton.tv

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

Episode Notes

Charisma News

Special Series: Grief in the Womb

Guests: John and Amy Burton

In her nightmare, Amy Burton saw a woman involved in the occult stabbing her pregnant stomach. As a Spirit-filled Christian, Amy warred over the dream with prayers and declarations. But she lost that baby—and more who followed. Where was God? Why didn't He heal her? Why did she continue to miscarry?

Listen as host Jessilyn Lancaster asks Amy and her husband, John, about these important life questions.

Introduction

Jessilyn Lancaster: Welcome to the Charisma News podcast. I'm your host, Jessilyn Lancaster. I have John and Amy Burton on the line. In a nightmare. Amy Burton saw a woman involved in the occult stabbing her pregnant stomach. As a spirit-filled Christian, Amy warred over the dream with prayers and declarations, but she lost that baby. And she lost more who followed. Where was God? Why didn't he heal her? Why did she continue to miscarry?

 

John Burton on Charisma

·         Witchcraft Killed My Unborn Baby Daughter

·         Should the Church Get ‘Scary?’

·         Why Church Size Has Nothing to Do with Anointing

·         Prophetic Dream: Self-Absorbed Apostles Are Compromising Church

·         A Call to Return to Convicting Preaching That Riles Demons

·         7 Reasons Pastors Stay Silent in Our Wicked Culture

·         See all of John’s articles on Charisma

 

Listen to the podcast to hear Amy and her husband, John, discuss these important questions. It is a pleasure to have you here and talk a little bit about your testimony. But before we get into that, tell our listeners who may not be familiar with you guys, who you are and what you do.

John Burton: We've been in ministry for I think forever, it seems for years and years. We planted a couple of churches in Colorado and Detroit. Of course, I do a lot of writing and travel and speak and just all that kind of stuff. My focus is prayer and revival and awakening and just believing for transformation in the nation and the nations of the earth. Amy has been running the race with me for every step of the way.

 

Other Podcasts in the Grief in the Womb Series

·         With Julia Jeffress Sadler

 

Amy Burton: We've been married almost 24 years. Now we're in Branson, Missouri and we're kind of mixing ministry in with owning some attractions. We're having a great life right now.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I love it. Like I mentioned earlier, this is for our faith and infertility series, just exploring a topic that's close to so many people's hearts. I know you guys have a really interesting, intense, spiritual story that goes along with this. Can you tell our listeners a little bit about that?

 

Listen to John Burton’s Podcasts

·         At burton.tv

 

Amy Burton: Yes, so our story began in 2003. At that time, we were pregnant for our third child. And John, why don't you go into some of the spiritual aspects and then I can kind of follow up on what happened after.

 

John Burton Books

·         The Coming Church: A Fierce Invasion from Heaven is Drawing Near

·         Covens in the Church: A Study in Unity and Healthy Church Relationships

·         Revelation Driven Prayer: Discover the Shock and Awe of God’s Voice

·         20 Elements of Revival: A Biblical Formula for Fire

 

John Burton: It’s kind of a crazy long story short. I wrote about this, I think, in Charisma, a little while back, but we were in Manitou Springs, Colorado, which, you know, some people call it the darkest city in the nation. There's a lot of witchcraft and the occult there. Anton Lavey, who wrote the Satanic Bible, lived there. So, we planted a church there. Most churches there failed. In fact, we were really surprised and wonderfully surprised that God was doing so much there and our ministry was growing. In the midst of all of that, the warfare was continual and man, we would experience some of the craziest, most bizarre things, that you can imagine, almost like a third-world country, where we've heard stories in India or Haiti or different places like that. One of the experiences that we had was, and I'm not going to go into too much detail right now for the sake of time, but it was extremely demonic. Amy had a dream. In in her dream she saw somebody stabbing the baby, stabbing her stomach with a knife. Of course, she woke up and we prayed and it was very traumatic. The next day we had a staff meeting for the church. We asked for prayer before we kicked into our staff meeting and before we even can tell what happened, one of our staff members says wait a minute. I got to tell you something, Amy. I had a dream about you and last night somebody went to stab you in the stomach to kill your baby. We were just blown away. Then someone else next to her said that they had a similar thing happen.  And then a friend of Amy's called after the after that and had no idea about any of this and said she had a dream and she explained the person in the dream to a tee, who it was. So, we kicked into some crazy prayer and warfare and did everything that we need to do.

Amy Burton: So, this person in the dream was somebody who had been heavily involved in the occult and in witchcraft and who we had prayed deliverance for but who had fallen back into the occult. So, we didn't really know what more to do other than to take that to the Lord in prayer. I was at 19 weeks, and we went in for our ultrasound where we thought we were going to find out the gender of the baby. It was Christmas Eve, I mean, mega celebration time for us. Our whole family was there. So we had my parents and our two boys with us, and we went into the ultrasound just very excited thinking we're going to get to find out whether we're having a boy or a girl and right before we went in there, John had this feeling from the Lord that was just this overwhelming feeling of, I don't know, peace and grace or something like that.

John Burton: It was like supernatural strength. It was surprising to me like, why in the world am I receiving supernatural strength right now it was. It was weird. But I found out pretty quickly.

Amy Burton: So, when we went in there, the ultrasound started and the ultrasound tech was kind of going over my stomach and I could see our baby. I could see her profile and I could see her arms and her legs and her head and things like that. But the ultrasound tech was very quiet. So, after a moment, she sat down the wand and said, I'm going to go find a doctor on-call. We were the last patients of the day. She was getting ready to go home. So, she left and I still was not totally aware of what was going on. But I told John and my mom, I said, that kind of concerns me that she would just leave like that. I thought that was odd. In a moment, she came back with the doctor, and the doctor said, I'm sorry, we can't find a heartbeat. And I was kind of in denial. I said, I was just here a couple weeks ago and everything was fine. I don't understand, what do you mean? So, he told me that within the couple of weeks since I've been there, the baby had passed away. So, they asked me to come back the day after Christmas to have my labor induced. So, Christmas Day, everything that I opened, either had to do with the baby or maternity clothing or something like that, and I would just kind of each open each thing and set them aside. Then, on the day after Christmas, I went in and my labor was induced, and we delivered our little girl, Elizabeth Hope, on December 27. So, that was kind of the start of our journey, walking through loss. And, over the course of six years between 2003 and 2009, I was pregnant eight times and I lost seven of those babies through either stillbirth or miscarriage. So, it was a very, very difficult time, just kind of figuring out, God, what's going on here and what part of this is physical and what part of this is spiritual? As John said, there, there were a lot of spiritual component leading up to this. Is there anything to be done those sorts of things … just kind of wrestling with the Lord and dealing with heartache and loss and grief and all those things, too. So that's kind of the gist of our story. There's way more to it.

Jessilyn Lancaster: I understand. But first, I want to thank you guys for being vulnerable and opening up about this painful time in your lives. You had mentioned earlier what part of it is spiritual and what part is physical? Tell me about your faith through this process through the six years as you guys are wrestling with this.

Amy Burton: For me, it kind of vacillated between really trusting the Lord and knowing that He had a plan and, at other times, just really struggling … wondering is God real even? Is He good? Things like that. We had kind of another dramatic story. In 2008, I was pregnant with our daughter, Libby, and at 21 weeks, we found out that she had passed away. At that time, the Lakeland revival was going on, we hopped on a plane and flew to Lakeland, praying and believing for a miracle that she would be raised from the dead. So, for two or three days, we just had people praying over us for a miracle.

John Burton: In fact, there was something that was just absolutely crazy. This is why the faith journey is so bizarre. We flew to Lakeland, like literally that night, and we got there and somebody was calling me, someone I had never met. They had apparently heard that we were on our way. She said, you need to get here now, you need to get here now. So, we got off the plane, we got a rental car, we drove to Lakeland. It’s late now, like nine or 10 at night, and I'm wondering if they're even still going. We found a parking spot that was close. I think God gave us that parking spots because there were so many cars. We got out of the car. We ran into this event where there was 10,000 people. I don't even know how we would find this stranger that was calling us. She was standing there waiting for us, and we ran in and we were escorted backstage. The reason she was so excited and it was such an urgent moment is that the person on stage was actually preaching about an experience where his wife and him had lost their daughter. She was dead in his wife's womb. He prayed and the baby was resurrected. That child was actually on stage there in Lakeland. So, that was all happening as we were arriving. Then the next night CNN was going to be there. So, in our mind, there's going to be … I mean, everything's lining up. There's going to be this dramatic miracle, and the baby … we had our little portable Doppler with us and we're going to find a heartbeat and CNN was going to broadcast it and revival is going to be proclaimed to the nation in unity. We had all these thoughts of how God's going to make it happen. Sadly, we went home a few days later and delivered a dead baby. How in the world do you deal with that? Especially my wife, even more so, she didn't have the answers.

Amy Burton: So, after Libby's loss, I would say my faith really struggled. I really kind of took a hit and I was really in a dark place wondering, could I could I even still believe in healing anymore? Could I even still believe in miracles anymore? And for six months, it was very hard and I would go to sleep with Libby's blanket and crying myself to sleep every night. Libby was my fifth loss, but I think because we had believed so hard for that miracle that, when it didn't happen, it was just so devastating. But six months after I lost her one night, the same thing, I was crying myself to sleep, sleeping with her blanket and, and it was like Jesus himself came into that room. I can't explain it, but I felt His presence in such a tangible way that it was undeniable that He was there with me and He was walking beside me. At that point I just knew. I didn't have all the answers, and I still don't. But I knew that Jesus was there beside me and that He was walking with me and that, I knew I was going to be OK at that point. So, that that's kind of how my faith journey has been, accepting that, even though I will never have all the answers in this lifetime, I know that Jesus is there with me.

 

Connect with John Burton

·         At burton.tv

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

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