Lisa Bevere's SHOCKING Prophetic Dream EXPOSED

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Our identity is under attack as men and as women and God has given us our identity

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So that is so important to hold on to our divinely inspired true identity and with me today is Lisa Brevere to talk about

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the fight for female

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Reclaiming our divine identity and I am so excited to have you here Lisa. I've

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I've read of some I've seen some other interviews that you've done and what we're talking about today is so important because in our culture

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The fight for female is real

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Now, I mean there is an unmaking of the image of God

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the enemy does not want the image of God to be

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Clear and strong in our earth right now and it is it is more than a gender ideology. It is a

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attack of a dragon

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It is a I hate those created in the image of God spiritual attack where I've been again

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I think we don't understand it the enemy's goal is to attack the very formation of

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the generations

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Hoping that they will never trust God with their transformation hoping that they'll say I I God was random

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He was not intentional when he wove me in my mother's womb. I cannot trust him to

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Transform me. I cannot believe that he will meet my needs or be that high priest for me

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Yeah, and if we can attack the identity of who we are as people

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as man and woman but really as sons and daughters of God and if we

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Disconnect who people are in relation to the father in relation to into relation to Jesus and know that if we don't know that

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Our value comes from him then there's no value amongst each other and therefore we can rip each other down tear each other down

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And that's in my opinion. That's where racism sexism everything comes from

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Because we don't see value in other people because we don't believe that God has put value in people where did this

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Where did this cultural mess up really start? How many understand that?

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Well, I mean I believe the cultural mess up started in the garden

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I mean when when we began to see this division and this questioning of divine purpose and divine identity

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It's worked its way all the way out and I sometimes see I sometimes thinks the devil believes the Bible more than Christians

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Do he knows that houses divided fall kingdoms divided fall?

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So he's like I'm gonna divide male and female I'm gonna divide black and white

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I'm gonna divide right, you know all the races whether it's Asian whether it's Spanish, whatever it is

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I'm gonna divide the old from the young. I'm going to divide the Christians from the Jews. I'm going to work

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division into every single area of life and when I see this binary

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Constant and when I say binary binary is not wrong. It's not wrong to have up and down. I'm saying divisive

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using

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Binary issues to be divisive

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then what happens is we begin to collapse in ourselves and

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And it's it's it's he doesn't need a new strategy. It's always worked

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He always questions the goodness of God. He always wants us to grasp at

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Being our own God to make remake ourselves in our own image. And so this is this is all woven and

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consistent and

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You know just to be expected and yet we know that there is a increase in the demonic and and I shall we say

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You know Satan is operating full strength. He's not getting stronger and I still believe that but what I what I did not factor in is

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That our nation has come into agreement

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With darkness we have invited things into our nation with all of our division

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With all of our pride with all of our greed with all of our sin with all of the abortion we have invited

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the the enemies

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Strongholds into our nation and

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And it's so apparent with what is going on right now in our culture

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There are so many things that you're like that doesn't make any sense. Well, it will never make sense when it's demonic

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Yeah

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now you just mentioned about the garden and

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I heard you talk in another interview about how you've you've been in at churches where pastors have said

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that it all started when the woman took the took the

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fruit and sinned and

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So women shouldn't speak up or anything like that. And so it's just like that's kind of

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Wild that because Eve was the one that actually plucked the fruit that he's making that claim

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I mean the Bible says that Adam was there with her which is for distinction

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a lot of people forget and they took part in that together and

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We can we can talk about that. But let's just talk specifically about the attack on women

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Because there was this gender. There was this women's liberation movement

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I want to talk to you about that

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But yeah right now we're seeing men going into women's sports men taking the place of women

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So it seems women being okay with it and women being okay with it

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It seems very antithetical to the original what we thought was the original goal

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Can we explain about this because you've done some research into that. Yeah, so

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Yes, I have to be honest with you

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I guess I always thought feminism started out good and that just kind of went sideways in the more recent decades

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But that's not true. It has been sideways since the very beginning

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I did not know that the mother of feminist thought was a woman named Mary Wolzencraft and Mary Wolzencraft

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died in childbirth

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With her daughter Mary Shelley and Mary Shelley and Percy Shelley were kind of the ones that brought some of this

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Mindset forward her mother had been part of the French Revolution

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They were the you know, they believed that the serpent was the wise counselor that God was prohibitive that marriage was wrong that marriage was

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something that no man or no woman should be shackled to

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Percy Shelley was

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Obsessed with the occult. I've even read I

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Didn't include in my book because I haven't been able to

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totally validate it but our early

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Liberation mother is Susan B. Anthony that they did seances. They had spirit tables

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They you know like all this kind of different stuff now

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When I say all of that

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We as women achieved equal vote to equal rights equal pay for equal work

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long before the American feminist

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Wave as we would know it got together and said and and again this was shocking to me when twelve women twelve women get together

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Greenwich Village in the late 60s and they say why are we here today? And they said to make a cultural revolution

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How do we do? How do we make this revolution by destroying the American family now just right there you would think any

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Female organization would want to add value and add layers of protection to the American family

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But that was their goal

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They said we're going to destroy the American family and then they said how do we destroy the American family?

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well by destroying the American patriarch and

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You know what is so crazy John when I started writing my book the fight for a female I had looked up the definition of

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Patriarch at the beginning by the time I was done writing the book. They had changed they had

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Updated the definition of the word patriarch and Miriam

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Weir's dictionary it went from a man worthy of honor and respect to the older oldest person in a tribe

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And so and then it had a negative, you know, like use it in a sentence

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and patriarchy white patriarchy and

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And so, you know, I'm looking at this and then they said take away his power

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We're gonna take away the power of the American patriarch. We're destroying and Larry

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how do we take away his power by destroying monogamy and

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I was what in the world and they said how do we destroy monogamy and they said by promoting

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promiscuity

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prostitution eroticism

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Which would be pornography and homosexuality and then we went on to talk about how they were going to set up now

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National Organization of Women and how this revolution needed to infiltrate every single area

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And they took it all the way down to the library system and I'm sure you've seen

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What happens when they pull the children's?

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Pornographic books out read them out loud

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They get kicked out of school board meetings for reading graphic porn

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But it's okay for it to remain in the library for the children and and I have heard this over and over and over again

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If I happen to post something people say well, where are the feminists?

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Where are the feminists? Why aren't they saying anything? Well, it's been their agenda

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So you have a few people that are courageous like a JK Rollins and she'll say something but the idea of

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Womanhood is being assailed by the enemy. It is being sexualized by the culture and at the same time as you mentioned earlier

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They're silenced in the church and so we have these guardrails of silenced and sexualized and it creates a very narrow pathway

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For women to walk on how they can function how they can find their voice how they can find their value

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And so we have you know, the woman's body is is actually just a it's a costume

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You know drag queens and it's it's exaggerated or it's or if you're okay

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Like that's one extreme than the other extreme is you're never pretty enough. You're never thin enough

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You're never you're never tall enough. You're never whatever whatever you are is never enough

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and so there's there's the diminishing of the feminine form and the sexualizing of the feminine forms, so the authentic feminine versus the

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exaggerated I don't even want to say feminine

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distorted character the caricature of

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absolutely

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so so we have that going on and you know women are

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They can be more compliant and and so I've heard a lot of people say well, this is women just being compliant

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I I feel like it's demonic. I'm sorry. I feel like it is

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women either have lost their voice and

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Or they have misused their voice and and so when we have lost our voice or misused our voice

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It's hard to recover a position of strength and and so we for me. I'm like, how

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Do we remember our divine origin?

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Because woman was not an she was not an afterthought her creation wasn't like oh maybe gosh Adam's lonely

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No, she was essential. She was necessary. And so there was a divine

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weaving of woman and

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We you know, we know what happened in the garden the fall did not happen till Adam ate

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And and you know, it's like people people that say oh the woman she just caused all these problems

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If Adam had said no it is written, you know, God said not to eat it

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He didn't say anything about not touching it. She wasn't here. She doesn't know

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You know, he he was the one that was supposed to guard and steward and so he's the one that failed and and he

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He took the temptation to be like God apart from God

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Because we know that that's true because when you go to the New Testament, it doesn't say through one woman sin

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It says to one man sin and one man's obedience. So

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Somehow and I don't know, you know, it's interesting. I was talking to some other leaders around this idea

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It almost feels like when you're dealing with

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Men they were completely saved and redeemed but when it comes to women

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They have to they're like they have to work it out. They have to work it out through childbearing

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They have to work out through head coverings. I have to work it out through, you know

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Being constantly quiet in the church or whatever. It's it's like there's a layer layer layer

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and I believe all those religious layers are

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the enemy's ploy to

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Subdue and silence the woman's voice because God was the one

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Who said the woman must come out and have a voice and God would not have given her a voice if he meant for her

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To remain quiet. Yeah. Well even at the very beginning when

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jesus 315 when when God says to the to the woman and this actually the to the serpent at that point

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That your seat will be at MC with her seat and but you know, it's like

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God has had major purpose for women

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in his plan since the very beginning and I personally believe that

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Adam wouldn't have known what it meant to be alone

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Unless there was a little bit of time between you know, the between whenever eve came whenever god brought eve to him

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Out of his side. So, you know, it's not good for him to be alone

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Therefore he needed to be alone for a little bit just to see

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Yeah, what in the naming process? I mean time was not measured there the way we understand time

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You know, there's uh, most hebrew scholars say the fall created time

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That there was no time before the fall and god created time to create a line segment

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You know because here's our god. I mean, he's so amazing isaiah says he finishes something then begins it

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So god taught us before we fell so there was eternity past eternity future

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And he said i'm going to end something that i'm going to begin it and we're living in that time segment that that line segment

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Of time where the redemptive purpose of god is being played out and it needs to be played out for male and female

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There are battles for the women to fight and there's battles for the men to fight

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But for too long the women have been fighting the men and the men have been fighting the women

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Instead of doing what jesus modeled for all of us is to say to the serpent it is written

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It is written and and again, you know, I I love that you brought up genesis and the serpent and enmity

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I was just this weekend at a church and and I know it's intimidating when somebody asks something from the stage

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But I said to them when god put enmity between the woman and the serpent

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Whose side did god put the woman on?

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And they they just all looked at me. I said, okay, i'm i'm going to help you. There's two sides

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There's evil that would be the serpent and there's good and that's only god

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So whose side did god say the woman was partnering with?

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And we know

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It was

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God that the seed jesus came through a woman independent of a man a man was not involved in that

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The holy spirit overshadowed her it was her chromosome structure only not 48 but 24

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Is what they're finding when they're looking into this the idea of the blood that they feel like is representation of jesus

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And so like god is saying hey women have always been part of my redemptive plan

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And the enemy is like I hate them. So now we have not just a woman

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Not just mary not just israel. We have the church the church and we see in revelation 1217

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And then the dragon was the serpent

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117 and then the dragon was enraged or furious with the woman and we make war against her children

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And this is what we're going on right now. You know, I had this incredible opportunity

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uh, I think it's about a year and a half ago, I was speaking at a church and

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Afterwards the matriarch of the church was there

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She's she's an older woman and she pulled me aside and she said did you ever get a chance to meet derrick prince?

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And I said, you know, I did not familiar with him, but I never met him and she said well

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We hosted him and my husband I drove him back to the hotel

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And when it was time for him to get out we turned around and looked and he was sitting in the back weeping

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And we said brother prince what what's going on?

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And he said I see an attack coming against the women

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And if the enemy can get the women he will get the children

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And I mean, this is what is going on

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Women women are the last line of defense. The enemy has done an exceptional job of

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emasculating the men

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Of telling the women you don't need men

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Feminists what the feminist thought was if you want to be a powerful woman africa man behave sexually like a man go out and work

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Full-time you don't how dare you stay home with your children

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Oh my goodness, go out there and work for somebody else put your kids in daycare. You know, I mean, it's just this mindset

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That is so shocking when you actually take it out spread it on the table and look at it for what it is

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And yes, were there oppressive men? Yes

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The other is there men that are toxic? Yes, but so are women there are toxic women

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There are toxic men, but masculinity and femininity in and of themselves are not toxic. They're an expression of the image of god

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Absolutely. Yeah, there's so many different things that you've brought up there that we could go a couple different ways

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I want to talk about your dream that god gave you about the dragons. We'll talk about that in just a moment

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I want to ask about I want to ask a little bit deeper because you said

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earlier on that the early

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Women's liberation movement the feminist push

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There was a cult practices and seances and things like that

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And you have this revelation about a particular spell that people are unwilling or unknowingly

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Saying whenever they're saying that the future is female help us understand the revelation that you have about this

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Yeah, so I you know, I live in franklin tennessee, which is a christian bubble

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And I went to a coffee shop wearing a t-shirt that said the future is male and female

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And I had guys like thank you. Thank you for including us in the future. I'm like, you're welcome

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I had women saying I need the t-shirt. I'm like you're right. So I thought you know, everybody's happy about this

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So I did a selfie

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In my car with the t-shirt that said the future is male and female and I wrote underneath that

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The future is male and female because without male and female there is no future

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That's basically your parents. It's not even deep and um

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922 comments later pp

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Furious with me

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You are cosigning with patriarchy

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It's always been the men's turn. It's our turn now. Jesus would never agree with the oppression of women

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You are agreeing with the oppression of women. This is coding like all lives matter

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Uh, this is a demon of hate. This is transphobe. This is anti-lgtbq. I mean everything everything

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John this is something i've learned

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Whenever you have this

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Much of an overcharged reaction on something

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There is something darker behind it. So I just I came home

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And I just typed into my laptop. What is the origin of the quote? The future is female because the addition had male

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So I was like, what is the origin and a washington post article came up?

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And it was talking about the origin of the quote the future is female and it was

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Originated with a group called labras. You think what's labras?

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well, the labras is a two-headed axe carried by amazons and roman and greek goddesses and

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labras was a lesbian separatist group and the

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Uh t-shirt that said the future is female was part of a presentation called what a well-dressed dyke would wear in 1975

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And they were so excited

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That hillary had brought the quote back to the forefront and her campaign because they said

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The quote the future is female was a call to war an invocation and a spell to cast

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And I was like what in the world but they didn't even stop there john

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25 percent of the proceeds not profits proceeds go to planned parenthood

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So now we've got the doubles that it adds basically more than tithing to uh to that because our tithe comes before

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Taxes and everything so they're doing that 25 before taxes before everything goes to that is ridiculous

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They've got separating females from males when god says they're not good for man to be alone

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I mean, it's the antithesis

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What god meant for male and female and so it was right after that

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I'm you know, i'm speaking to you from my house and um right after that

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He showed up at my front door and basically they come in my house to go to the pantry

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I think their mom says no snacks and they just come to my house. And so

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When I have this access to a 14 year old boy, I said hey

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What are your thoughts on the quote? The future is female

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And he paused and he said then i'm unnecessary

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Is that what we want to say to our sons?

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Is that what we want to say to our fathers our brothers our co-workers our husbands?

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Is this is this is this the message is this the divine?

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The divine identity that god gave to woman to say the men are unnecessary when god said the woman

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The addition of the woman takes everything and makes it so very very good

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And I get it that the you know, the angry progressive people are going to say well the men have acted like we're unnecessary

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So now we're going to act like they're unnecessary. Well, that's not godly. We don't slap back

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We take back our divine origin

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And nobody can take away my divine identity and origin and when I say divine people get stressed out saying

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You know, you're seeing feminine female divine. No, i'm saying that my divine

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Weaving god wove me on purpose to be a female with divine intention

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He was like this is my daughter for this time period and it wasn't random

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It was intentional and so what we've got is we've got this male and female being pitted against one another

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I mean even even going back to what we were talking earlier about them saying

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How do we destroy the american family destroy the american patriot? How do we destroy him take away his power?

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So somehow they knew that male and female together equaled a power union

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But so they created a power struggle. They're like we're going to have to divide

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What god said i'm going to unite and so everything that we're seeing right now

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We're looking at at it in the culture as a face value

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But we need to look behind and understand there is a dragon in the shadows. There is a demonic

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Agenda that is dividing male and female and you know, i've had this incredible privilege to speak

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In I spoke at a cultural summit earlier this year where there were both men and female

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President and I literally had the men stand up john and I said

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I break the words of toxic masculinity off of you

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We need you

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To be the men that god created you to be and I am sorry that we we as women

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Tried to tell you how you had to behave as men

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And so and then last week I had the privilege of being at a chapel at or you and

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And afterwards so many beautiful young men saying

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We can't remember what it is

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To be a man

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To be to be masculine and and not be mocked for it

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to their divine

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Mandate that when god said i'm going to give you the power to multiply and we've got to stop using our power to divide

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Decrease diminish, you know if if men have used their power to oppress women

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They need to repent of that but women if they've used their power to manipulate men

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they need to repent of that and we need to forgive and we need to move forward in in strength and truth and um,

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I've started this book with a dream, but I ended it with a do

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Because if we cannot have practical applications

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to spiritual principles, we're going to be in trouble and as much as I

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I love to think that we could take to the streets and and switch everything what I find best is we fight by flourishing

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Amen. Amen. Well, you mentioned about this dream and so I want to I want to hear you tell his dream again

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Um, and really what inspired you to write this this book?

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Yeah, so first of all, I um, I had the dream in 2016 which is crazy looking back now

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Um, I was speaking at a women's event

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I was so excited to be alone in a king-size bed where I could turn down the temperature to

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To 65 because I was going through menopause. I was like, this is my dream. I'm like i'm so excited

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I'm making this room freezing cold. I'm spreading out in the bed and I i'm a i'm a sound sleeper

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I sleep on my side. I don't move around and there's reasons why i'm saying all that and I I fall asleep

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And in my dream, I find myself on the threshold of a green room and a green room of people like what's that?

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It's a room of

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Influencers speakers thought leaders, you know, and and it was it was a the room was packed

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It was filled with a lot of people. I remember thinking I know these people and they knew me

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But I don't remember any of them. I don't I I can't say oh I saw that person in the room

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I just knew that we had relationship

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And when I leaned a little closer, I realized that all the women were holding something close to their chest on and I

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I was like, what are they what are they holding?

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And they were holding different rainbow colored or dual tone baby dragons

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So there were sapphire there were ruby there were the bright yellow the citron there was emerald green

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And all of these baby dragons were dressed up in children's clothing

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Which is bizarre, but you know how people dress up their yorkies or the poodles, which i'm always like why anyway

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So they they've dressed up these dragons and and I you know, I took it as them saying these are safe. These are pets

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And so I came up to the first one and I said do you do you understand what you're holding? And she was like

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Yes, I said that's a dragon. That's a dragon and she was like

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You know kind of looking over me like she doesn't understand to somebody else who was also holding a dragon

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And and she said these are different dragons. These are the wise kind dragons and I said, oh no

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No, no, no, there's no agreement between daughters and dragons

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So I went from woman to woman trying to make somebody listen to me

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Somebody tried to get me to pet the dragon and I was like no i'm not petting your dragon because that would be

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agreeing

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That's something very dangerous is safe

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And in my dream I turned from the person that was trying to get me to pet the dragon

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And somebody thrust the dragon her dragon towards me and said here hold it and in my dream john

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I reached out grabbed the dragon by the neck and snapped its neck and I wake up and my arms are flying

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And i'm on my back and i'm like what just happened this dream

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Was actually being acted out in my physical and so I typed the whole thing out

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I sent it off to some people that are supposed to be going with dream interpretations. They're like we we got nothing

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We we got nothing and I was like, okay, that was bizarre. But you know, there are dreams that you have

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That stay with you

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And then there's dreams that you you know, like by noon you've forgotten them. Well, you can still see this one

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You know, I I had written it out

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2020 happens

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I I see abigail schreyer's book on irreversible damage on me

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What's going on?

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And then I start to see different things and I start to see the sexualization of women. I start to see the sexualization of children

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I don't know if you saw this this week. Good morning america

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I mean

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horrified i'm horrified horrified horrified and um

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It just this child, I mean adults clapping

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For the sexualization of children and and people like well, that's a pat. No, it wasn't a pageant

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It was a trans it was a child who has is a boy genetically being raised as a girl and being I mean

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I just was I

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Yeah, I when I started my book I was angry by the end of it I was heartbroken

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I've

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Started to see this and I thought oh my gosh. It's my dream

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When I saw the women weren't using their voice

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When I had reposted just an athletic thing

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Um, it was it wasn't even a christian thing. It was a watch company that said

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Um, you know, I was telling this whole story about a dad training his daughter

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There's no woman alive that could ever beat you with running and then she comes down to the starting line

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She looks over and there's a guy and all of her life all of the training and all I wrote underneath

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I reposted it and I said keep use your voice and keep your daughter's dreams alive

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And you cannot believe the christian backlash I got

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Trans women are women. How dare you say this blah blah blah

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Well, i'm not going to be like he saw

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I'm not going to sell my birthright

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I god

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Told adam whatever you name something it is

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And he is the one who gave me the name woman and man doesn't get to take it back

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He doesn't get to add a prefix to it

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And I don't get to add a prefix to you know a man

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But here's the problem and this is what I think women do

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Um, and this is what I think women don't get

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Men are not afraid of the smaller weaker versions

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pretending to be them

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But women are at risk of men

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in formerly

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female spaces

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And and this is how real this is because people think it's not real. I uh, I recently traveled home from a trip

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I was actually I think I was in another country and I was waiting for john he was flying in and you know

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She was we were 45 minutes apart and I thought well, just i'll just wait

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And then the whoever was picking us up could just pick us both up at once

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So i'm waiting and I watch a man walk right into the women's restroom in nashville, tennessee

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And I don't know if it was because I hadn't slept all night. I don't know what it was

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I followed him in there and I said, excuse me

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This is the woman's restroom and he jumped a mile and he said oh, oh, I thought it was a baggage claim

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He'd already walked past the sinks like so the the way it's configured is there sinks

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And then you turn and there's stalls. He was turning the corner towards the stalls

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And I said, oh did you did you think the bags were coming out of the toilet?

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I said you need to come out of here right now my boys

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I mean my boys were like mom you're not big and I said I felt big I felt big in that moment

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I mean and people say, you know, well, you know, maybe he wouldn't have hurt me and he wasn't dressed as a woman

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Uh, maybe he wouldn't have hurt me maybe you know, whatever

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I don't care about me. I care about my granddaughters and so at the end of the day

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Why I am writing?

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is

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There is a generation

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That is being told

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That their formation is a mistake

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There is a generation that the enemy has divided their gender identity

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Which would be their soul from their frame their body. They are walking around

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Bodies divided he is he is he is saying you can't trust god

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and and I and here's the here's the beautiful thing and I don't know if you saw this in the book, but

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I had I had someone who was a younger christian. She said to me if if

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Jesus was sitting here with you and I and my friend who believes she's born in the wrong body was sitting here

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What would he say to her?

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And I'm like, oh my gosh

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And I said, well first he would say I love you

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Second he would say you're not a mistake

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And I think we do a really good job saying those two things, but we have to take it a little further

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I said third he would say I understand and I could tell she kind of like

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Why would jesus understand? Well, it's not because jesus was ever transgender

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But if there was ever anybody that was ever uncomfortable in their human body, it would be jesus

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And you think where do you get that from? Well philippians 2

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Philippians 2 says that jesus

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Set aside his divine form

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Emptied himself of his divine privileges

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and took on

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flesh that he became a

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Slave he became a servant he became us so we could become him and and if there was I mean, i've only been

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A child of you know, a human child. I've never been

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The son of god, you know, so i've never understood divine form divine identity. I mean, of course, I understand

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I'm a child of god. I have a divine identity that i'm growing into but my

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And so we need to be able to say

436
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That plus we have corinthians where it says that my life right now is just a seed

437
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Of who i'll actually be so with this longing for more and more and more

438
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:19,480
More money more whatever we we try to but the truth is our more is found in eternity

439
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That when I go into the earth and die who I really am comes up in eternity

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Then we also need to put them with the heebus for that. We have a high priest

441
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We have a high priest who?

442
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understands the frailty

443
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of the human body

444
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And so we need to push an entire generation that has been lied to

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Into the presence of god and when I read this whole

446
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,840
parable of the banquet

447
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,760
I feel like those are the people on the highways and byways. It's the internet highways and byways

448
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
And we need to compel them to come in

449
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Yeah, absolutely and I love how you said that jesus

450
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More than anybody would would understand what it's like to be in the different body or the wrong body because I mean god coming and being flesh

451
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And dwelling among us. I mean that's the word behind flesh. I mean that's

452
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,440
He would understand better than anybody else

453
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,200
And he also brings restoration better than anybody else

454
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,000
and purpose and calling

455
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,080
With this book with this message, it's which is really powerful and very needed

456
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,680
What are some of those action steps that we can do because I like why you said, you know

457
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,400
It started with a dream, but it ends with things to do. What are some of these things that we can actually do?

458
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,960
Well, and this was the exciting and shocking thing for me. First of all

459
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And i'm going to tell a little background talk about

460
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um, and i'm going to tell a little background to to actually

461
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Position what you can do because everybody's like I need to be a social justice lawyer

462
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,120
I need to start argue with people on social media. I need to start saying well

463
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,760
I had this incredible privilege to

464
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,060
interview a man who is an expert in totalitarianism

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And he had written a book and he's a psychoanalyst and a professor in belgium

466
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:18,040
And then he's in belgium. He explained that totalitarianism had taken over his country

467
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:23,160
And so he watched this unfold and i'm listening to him and i'm like, okay, what do we do?

468
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
What do we do? I'm a mother hum. What do I do?

469
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:30,920
He said I said do we take to the streets and he said well first of all protests and violence

470
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:37,080
They validate totalitarianism where they think we've got to we've got to we got to control the situation

471
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,680
He said what you need to do is consistent

472
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consistent courageous

473
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:49,000
Conversations and he's not even a christian. I'm just talking to him and as he's talking to me john

474
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,160
I thought that's how the book of acts they went from house to help

475
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:57,320
Fighting with people on social media is not going to change it

476
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960
We have gotten so

477
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200
bad at having

478
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:05,500
Conversations so so we need to have consistent

479
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:08,340
courageous

480
00:36:08,340 --> 00:36:13,320
Conversations I uh, I babysat my grandkids for eight days when their kids

481
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,840
I mean where their parents went to the uk john left john was like I i'm i'm capping out

482
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,840
I can only do one great childhood time

483
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,880
so

484
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,880
You know and it rained the entire time which I

485
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,000
I started to have so much sympathy for parents who are like screens screens because I really you don't do screens at g mama's

486
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,280
house and

487
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,360
I can't remember it was like day four my seven-year-old. She was seven at the time granddaughter looked at me and she said do you know?

488
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,360
that

489
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,400
uh

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00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,760
Sarah my neighborhood is now samuel. I was like no I didn't

491
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And she said yeah, she's she's cut her hair and she's gonna go to new school now and be a boy

492
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And I said, all right

493
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,760
I said well what if g mama put on a giraffe outfit that would that make me a giraffe?

494
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,760
And she's smarter than me and she said you're too short to be a giraffe

495
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,920
And I said well, I identify as a short giraffe and she's like that's stupid and they said you're right. So

496
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Is she a boy because she cut her hair

497
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,440
And she said no I said why not?

498
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,080
If she looks like a boy, why isn't she a boy? And she said, you know, I said no, I don't tell me why

499
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Tell me and she goes

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00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,280
her bottom and and so, you know, I

501
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I

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Then my other granddaughter brought up the conversation. I said tell me what's happening

503
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in this family

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And I learned that the parents had just gotten divorced

505
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,320
And I I remembered my life in eighth grade

506
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,520
And this girl was younger. Um, but my life in eighth grade

507
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:43,800
My parents came and told me that they were divorcing. I remember I went from highest math highest english to low

508
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,600
Whisk I refused to do my homework. I refused to do, you know, turn in my assignments

509
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:53,320
I refused to participate in class. I sat there like this. I was so angry john

510
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,720
If somebody would have come to me and said, you know what?

511
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
You're also a late bloomer lisa. Perhaps you're really a boy

512
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I would have said, you know what everything else in my life

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Is wrong. You're probably right

514
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:12,600
I'm probably a boy. I used to wear oshkosh by gosh overalls to hide the fact that I was scrawny and tiny

515
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And I was a tomboy

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,640
But see that was god's preparation for me to be a mother of four sons

517
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,800
But I could have said I'm not feminine enough. I'm not pretty enough. I'm not curvy enough

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00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,240
I'm not whatever

519
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and yet

520
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And yet god weaves each of us

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00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:39,400
uniquely and especially and in a season of going from girl to woman or boy to man you do not

522
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,880
Force somebody to make a decision

523
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When they're in transition of growing up

524
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000
You know, and so there's this

525
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Sexualizing of our youth at the youngest age and so for me, this was a rescue

526
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,760
It was I'm going to give

527
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:03,720
Mom some conversation points. I signed books for like two hours this weekend and the women are like thank you for giving me words to say

528
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,080
Thank you for actually giving me permission to talk

529
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:14,760
People follow courage and when nobody says anything or when there's just a nuance when all the christians are nuanced

530
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:21,240
There's no clarity and where there's no clarity people shut down. There's no conversation

531
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:26,780
We need to have clarity because a lack of clarity is unkind

532
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:33,000
And so we need to say the image of god is male and female. Yes. I understand there's intersex, but there's still only two genders

533
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Even it's still it's still a mixing of just x and y and and those are very small percentages

534
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,960
But this is proving the whole spotted and speckled principle that what you put in front of people

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00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Is what they actually what they behold is what they become

536
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:56,520
You know, okay, I i'm less than i'm this constant comparison if I can do that if I can become that if I change into that image

537
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,520
Then I will be loved. I will be safe. I will be you know, whatever whatever the

538
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:10,200
Unspoken need is that they're promising to fill and so for me I wanted every person to understand

539
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,960
You know, like don't be compliant with the distortion of language

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00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,200
Don't be afraid to use your voice in your neighborhood and and i'm not talking about

541
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Organizing a protest i'm talking about just talking to people

542
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Talking to people and then you know understanding that if what we talked about earlier about if the feminists were able to

543
00:40:30,420 --> 00:40:32,420
deconstruct the family

544
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,720
Then our our goal would be to restore

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So we can reverse engineer everything that the enemy has done

546
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,160
And then the other thing I love and this is this is this is something that I feel

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00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,880
I feel so passionate about

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00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,740
During the pandemic there was another epidemic that happened. It was an epidemic of cowardice

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00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,360
Where people started to placate and and shrink and say one thing and then if they got attacked they you know, they they

550
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,520
It just shut they lost their voice

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00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,280
and

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00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,160
One of the things I loved the most was

553
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:13,000
One of the things I loved the most about riley gaines and it's not something that other people highlight

554
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:19,480
But I want to highlight it wasn't so much that she's a cultural voice right now. It was that she wasn't

555
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Wasn't

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00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,920
And then she was

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00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,800
And the truth is that we can be complicit and compliant one day

558
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,520
And the next day

559
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,360
We can recover our voice

560
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:41,160
That god's mercy that is new every single morning is the empowerment of courage and an outpouring of the holy spirit

561
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,640
is way further than

562
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,020
Speaking in tongues falling down whatever was shaking it is an outpouring

563
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,480
of courage

564
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:57,560
And authority and we don't ever talk about that, but it talks about when these unlearned fishermen

565
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:03,820
Spoke with authority with boldness and so we in the church we need to stop

566
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:07,420
Speaking things as though they were question marks

567
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:13,260
and we need to put some periods and exclamation marks on our words and um,

568
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:17,340
You know and even even in this time period like there used to be

569
00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:23,420
I went out to dinner with somebody who's very active in politics and she's very much about pro-child politics

570
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:27,660
And she said lisa there was a time where you could be nuanced and say hey

571
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:29,500
She said

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00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,500
We're not we're not in that time anymore

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00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:35,340
It's very clear

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00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,620
about

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00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:38,620
light and dark lies and truth

576
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:40,860
and and we

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00:42:40,860 --> 00:42:42,220
Christians

578
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:46,700
We need to stand in the middle and declare truth, which means we will be shot at from both sides

579
00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:49,180
But it's it's

580
00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:52,380
When I say stand in the middle, i'm not saying compromise. I'm just saying

581
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:54,620
We've got extreme here extreme here

582
00:42:55,180 --> 00:43:00,220
You know, like i'm a big fan of conservative news, but they're not going to bring anybody to jesus

583
00:43:01,820 --> 00:43:05,580
So, you know i'm saying they're just gonna they're just gonna make me feel hopeless

584
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:07,820
or angry

585
00:43:07,820 --> 00:43:11,420
So I have to be the one who can stand in the middle and say

586
00:43:12,220 --> 00:43:14,220
But jesus is the answer amen

587
00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,380
and not trump

588
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:17,340
jesus

589
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:21,100
And then at the other side where you're talking about progressive and liberal

590
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,100
Where I can say excuse me

591
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:25,900
uh debauchery

592
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:27,900
Abortion those are

593
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,860
Caving into our basis level. That's not the answer

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00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:32,700
um

595
00:43:32,700 --> 00:43:39,420
You know, and so we we have to we have to stand in the middle declare truth and I feel like scripture is very very clear

596
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:42,780
um about what god values and for me

597
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:49,660
Image of god and sanctity of life are are no compromise compromise zone. Amen. Amen

598
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:51,660
Amen. Amen

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00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:57,100
Alisa, I really appreciate this conversation and I don't want to miss this opportunity to ask you to pray for the people that have been

600
00:43:57,100 --> 00:44:01,980
Watching this I do want to encourage everybody to get this book the the fight for female

601
00:44:02,620 --> 00:44:06,540
Because it is not just for women. Of course, it's it's definitely written

602
00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:12,140
more towards women, but it is the fight for female that everybody needs to get involved with this because

603
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,800
Biblical god-given femininity

604
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,160
Uh, the female is under attack right now

605
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:27,440
The image of god in the woman is under attack and we both men and women need to stand up for that

606
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,520
Lisa, thank you so much for giving us some ways that we can do that

607
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,280
Would you pray for our for everybody that's been watching right now? That would be our father. I just thank you

608
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,760
That you are the one that said it's not good for man to be alone

609
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,840
You are the one that formed women to be an answer

610
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,840
to the loneliness of man

611
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,840
but it wasn't because she was just a supplement

612
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:57,440
But that she was necessary and so father I speak to every woman who has lost her voice

613
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,120
To every woman who is afraid to use her voice

614
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,160
For every woman who is only known how to speak in anger and vengeance

615
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:11,680
And father, I thank you that your holy spirit is bringing healing and truth

616
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:17,600
I thank you that male and female is a power union. I thank you that we are not wrestling with flesh and blood

617
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,560
But we are wrestling with principalities and powers

618
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,640
And rulers of wickedness in high places that exalt themselves against us knowing

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00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:32,800
God so father. I thank you that this is a battle that is too big for any of us

620
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,400
To fight individually. I thank you father that you have never made it more clear

621
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,760
That there is a dragon in the shadows. So father give us one voice give us one heart

622
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,600
With your son. Let us glorify him. Let holy spirit

623
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Make us one that we would see the same glory

624
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Give us eyes to see ears to hear

625
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,840
A heart to believe and a voice to speak what your spirit is doing and saying

626
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,960
And we renounce the lies of the enemy

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00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,000
We renounce the sexualization of womanhood

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00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,720
We renounce the silencing of cowardice and religion

629
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,000
And father we take back our place that you said that woman

630
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,120
Was your idea and god we take back that place

631
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:31,360
That god has entrusted us to fight the battles that women can fight and forgive us father for fighting your sons

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00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,280
And anoint us as your daughters in jesus name. Amen. Amen

633
00:46:35,280 --> 00:47:01,120
Lisa, thank you so much for joining us today here on charisma. It's incredible honor