The Gifts of the Holy Spirit (BIBLESPEAK)

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Faith and Mission

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podcast. I'm your host, Steve Hannett, and this

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is a ministry of the Gospel Mission Network.

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We're really happy to be part of the Charisma

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Media Podcast Network, and we're here today to

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do part three of our series in the Holy Spirit.

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in the podcast. Now, today, we're going to be

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hitting a topic that actually is probably one

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of the most controversial topics of the Holy

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Spirit. You see, in part one, we spoke about

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who the Holy Spirit is. We spoke about what His

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ministry is. In part two, we spoke about how

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He desires to develop the character of Christ

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in us through the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

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But in this session, we're going to be talking

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about His gifts. And you see, the gifts are all

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about the empowerments, the supernatural flowing

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of the Holy Spirit's ability in the life of a

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believer. And unfortunately, this is very controversial.

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In fact, depending on your background of being

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a Christian or even seeing Christianity at a

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distance, you may see many different expressions

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of the faith. Well, I want to explain that there

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really isn't just one flavor of Christianity.

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that people say, well, I'm this and I'm that.

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Actually, there's only one truth with one God.

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And you see, it's the truth that we need to connect

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with. And it's from that truth that comes the

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expression of authentic biblical Christianity.

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And so we need to ask the question today, in

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that truth, in that authentic expression of Christianity,

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what's the role of the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

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Which ones are active today? Which ones are not?

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And can we really experience supernatural power

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in our own life, ministry or marriage? The answer

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is yes. Now, if you're somebody who doesn't really

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know much about Christianity, we welcome you

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because this is a great topic for you to hear

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to really understand the heart of God to empower

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us with His love and also with His gifts. If

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you've been walking with Christ for a long time,

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This is wonderful because you're able to grow

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and come more deeply into the fullness of what

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God desires for your life. Now, if you're a church

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leader, this is especially important for you

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because the church needs to be carrying the power

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of God in order to do the mission of God. And

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especially as church leaders, we can feel tension

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sometimes as to what is and what isn't. God's

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will concerning the gifts. So we're gonna try

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to cover a bunch of topics today about the gifts

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of the Holy Spirit to touch each of these areas.

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So I wanna welcome again, Pastor Pat and Steve

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Paul and Jeff. I wanna welcome you guys. These

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are some leaders and friends in our ministry.

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Pastor Pat and Steve Paul lead house churches

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in our ministry. And for those who don't know,

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we are not just going after... The teachings

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of the Bible, we're also going after the patterns

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and the practices. So we literally have a church

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filled with house churches and we love breaking

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bread from house to house teaching and making

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disciples. So, well, let's open up our Bibles

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and I encourage you to get your Bible or phone

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someplace that you could look at the scripture.

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And I encourage you to get some coffee and get

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comfortable, a notepad, and let's dig into this

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conversation together. So we're going to turn

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to 1 Corinthians chapter 12, beginning with verse

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four. And the very first verse reads this way.

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It says, there are diversities of gifts, but

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the same spirit. Well, I think first, this is

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describing that there still is one Holy Spirit,

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but it describes this idea different from our

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previous episode, not the fruits of the spirit,

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but gifts of the spirit. Let me throw this question

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out to the table. What does the Bible mean by

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gifts? What should we be thinking about when

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it's describing that God is giving gifts of the

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Holy Spirit? I believe he's giving specific supernatural

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ability to individuals to do the work of ministry,

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to propagate the gospel, to let other people

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know what God is like, how he behaves, what his

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character is, his nature, so that there's a demonstration

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of who he is. Ah, that's interesting. A demonstration

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of who he is. So in the fruits of the Spirit,

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we get to see his character. Right. And it sounds

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like you're saying that the gifts of the Spirit

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are demonstrating his work. Yes, his work, yes.

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Through us. Through us. Yeah. Other thoughts

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about the gifts of the Spirit? It's a gift that

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keeps on giving. It equips us with all these

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gifts so we can share these gifts with other

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people to give them peace and understanding of

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Jesus. Sometimes we talk about people who are

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gifted in certain things that they can do, certain

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competencies that they have, and there's a lot

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to be said about that. There's some people very

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gifted with numbers, and maybe that's not my

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strong point. That's not mine either. But if

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you refer back to the last session on the Spirit,

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you see that it's very important that we are

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operating according to God's way of doing things,

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because man's way is not God's way. God has his

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own way. So in other words, there's a special

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giftedness that's required for the gifts that

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God wants to distribute and make clear in the

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world. I can't rely on my quote -unquote natural

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giftings. I need a gifting from God to be able

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to act out and to work out and to demonstrate,

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as you were saying, what He wants demonstrated.

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So you bring up a good point that there is a

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difference between a natural gift and a supernatural

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Holy Spirit gift. So what would be examples of

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natural gifts that we may have? I mean, you mentioned

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one, I think, was if we're good with numbers.

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Yeah. Yeah. Aptitude for music. Yeah. Playing

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an instrument. Yeah. Athletic ability. Mm -hmm.

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Dancing. Yeah. Some people have two left feet.

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Artistic ability. Yeah, that's true. Left feet.

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Yeah. Yeah, artistic ability. Some people can't

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draw more than a stick figure. That's right.

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That's me. And like me, I'm not, yeah, I'm not

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sure if I can do that well. Yeah. So we all have

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natural gifts. People can even have a gift for

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public speaking too, right? And many different

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things. But the gifts of the spirit are not actually

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something that we're born with in the natural.

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They're given, that's kind of a crazy thought

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when you think about it, they're literally given

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by God, right? From the heavens into a person's

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life. very different from the fruits of the spirit

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we spoke about, because those were nurtured over

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time. But God says, you know, my daughter, I'm

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giving you this gift. And they're for purpose.

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You know, it reminds me, well, you know, you'd

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like to give your teenager who just got their

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driver's license, you'd like to gift them a car.

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Well, it's because there's something to be. done

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with that car. Something is to be accomplished.

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It's a tool for something else. So he gives gifts

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so that his purposes can be acted out on the

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earth. So that can only be accessed through his

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spirit. And I think that that point right there,

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and I'd like you all to remember that point,

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because there's a purpose behind the gifts. And

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I think that that is gonna help us navigate through

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some of the debates that come up with the gifts

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of the Holy Spirit. Let's take a look at the

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text here. Jeff, could you read for us from...

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Well, actually, let me start with verse five,

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and then, Joe, I'll have you read a little bit

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later. It says, there are differences of ministries,

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but the same Lord. And there are diversities

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of activities, but it's the same God who works

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all in all. So within these three verses, there's

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a repetitive truth that's being presented. Verse

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four, diversities of gifts. Verse five, differences

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of ministries. Verse six, diversities of activities.

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So we see gifts, ministries, and activities.

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And this is a little bit of what we were talking

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off camera about. You know, how they're different,

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but they're all given by God. So there's differences.

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And I think that's very, very important to understand

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because there's only one God. And again, this

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brings us back to episode number one about who

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is the Holy Spirit, because it describes the

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gifts of the Spirit. Then it says the same God

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who works all at all. Holy Spirit is God. So

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we have these differences that are flowing. So,

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Jeff, why don't you start with verse seven. and

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read through so we can understand some of these

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diversities or ministries and activities of the

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Spirit. Go ahead. by the same spirit, to another

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the working of miracles, to another prophecy,

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to another discerning of spirits, to another

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different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation

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of tongues. But one in the same spirit works

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all these things distributing to each one individually

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as he wills. Thank you. Yeah, so so powerful.

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So kind of like a big focus of the unity of the

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Spirit, right? And verse 11 says, the same Spirit

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works all these things. So this is not a human

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being's work. This is the Spirit, just like the

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fruits in episode two. The Spirit's producing

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the fruits. The Spirit, the Holy Spirit, is doing

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the works and the Holy Spirit is distributing

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to each one. individually as he wills. So let's

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talk about these diversities here for a moment.

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Let's talk through, we don't have time to talk

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through all of them in an exhaustive way today,

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but let's talk about verse eight. It says 421

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is given the word of wisdom through the spirit.

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What is the word of wisdom? What do you understand

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that to be? That would be truth, understanding

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of truth. A supernatural understanding of truth

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that would come by revelation from the Spirit

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so that you wouldn't know that truth any other

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way but through Him. Through Him. It's good.

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Listen, I almost can't explain. You know, there's

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been times where I've spoken with brothers of

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mine where in my flesh I can't respond and the

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Holy Spirit makes me respond. I mean, where did

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that come from? And then God blesses me with

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the wisdom to share with somebody. I didn't even

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know that it wasn't for me. And there are times,

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I believe, in my life where it seemed like there

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was no way forward. But the word says we can

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ask for wisdom. Now, it's not necessarily the

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same as the gift of wisdom, but there are times

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when the Holy Spirit himself will sometimes just

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drop a thought. How about if we do it this way?

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And it's not just information. but it's wisdom

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how to move forward sometimes. Yeah, and it's

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good that we're making this distinction. We could

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have wisdom, and a Christian is supposed to operate

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with wisdom, and we all can ask God for wisdom.

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But this is a special, specific operation where

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the Holy Spirit breaks in, and you're able to

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see a situation. And I love what all of you said,

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and I'm going to kind of put it together. The

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Holy Spirit enables you to see truth, not only

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of the word, but of the situation. And then he

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teaches you how to apply the truth into a situation.

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And that's what you said. It seems like there's

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no way out. Ah, here's how that truth would apply.

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And I've had People sometimes have asked, how

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did you know, like in a counseling session, you

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know, solving problems, people asking questions.

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How did you know to answer like that? And I gently

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leaned over to him and said, I did it. And he

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said, what do you need? I asked God for help.

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And he presented it to me. Yeah. And people need

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this. What a beautiful need. in the church as

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a parent for your children, for your own life

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to be blessed by. And knowing who to go to that

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says, yeah, Steve operates in words of wisdom.

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Let me come to him and have him pray and seek

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guidance. Yeah. So good. It's like God gives

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you that gift where otherwise overwhelming situation.

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becomes a navigational way to navigate through

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Him. He shows you how to navigate that. You couldn't

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do it in your flesh, but with Him, you could

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do it. And remember, this is God's wisdom, not

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man's wisdom. So I've encountered it, and I've

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kind of had as gently as I could correct people,

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because some beautiful people, even in our own

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church family, they mean very well. they'll go

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to people that have not been matured in Christ.

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They'll go to people who are not operating with

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wisdom or the gift of wisdom and they ask for

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counsel. And then they ask five, six, seven,

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10 people. And they tell everybody about their

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problem. And then they get a multitude of answers

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and now they're more confused. And now they come

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to me. and they said people told me this and

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sometimes I have to gently not have any you know

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wrong expression on my face to say oh boy okay

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and then the Lord may present just one scripture

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just one truth and it just brings clarity to

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the situation yeah and uh it's special it's special

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when God does that yeah I mean the Bible says

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seek first the kingdom of God Go to him first.

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Go to him first. So, you know, God teaches that

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wisdom is the principal thing. So as we look

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at this, would God want that wisdom to be taken

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away from the church? No. There's a purpose for

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it. Sure. God wants his children to be operating

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with wisdom. That's powerful. Yeah. God wants

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his sheep to be properly shepherded. He doesn't

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want them misled. Right. So, you know, this is

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one of them that I think most people would say

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that there is wisdom and God wants wisdom to

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continue. But I want to encourage, especially

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you who are listening right now, this is not

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normal wisdom. This is divine, heavenly, clear,

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breaking through wisdom that brings level of

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success. And it's game changing. It's a game

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changer. So it's something that I really, really

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value in the operation of the Holy Spirit. And

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not only just, you know, sometimes we can't see

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our situations clearly because we're in them,

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you know, so we need to go to each other. Right.

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So I may have a word of wisdom for somebody else,

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but I'm a bit messed up myself about my own situation

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because I'm too close to it. Right. Right. So

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I can go to another dear believer and the Holy

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Spirit can speak to me. through them. Let's go

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to the next one here in verse number eight that

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says, to another the word of knowledge through

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the same spirit. So you have a word of wisdom,

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but you have a word of knowledge. I love this

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one. Oh, I love it. What is the word of knowledge,

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guys? I know you've had experience in seeing

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this and operating. Well, you have the wisdom,

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but then what do you do with it? What do you

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do with the wisdom? And that's the word of knowledge

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is, how do I actually apply what you've been

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showing me and see the situation change? Yeah,

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yeah, that's definitely... Steve, anything on

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that? The word of knowledge. Yeah, well, sometimes

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it is just one little piece of something that

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we need that will unlock. Sometimes it's a key,

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so a word of knowledge might be like a key. Like,

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you know, the real problem is such and such.

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Yes, you're pulling off what Pastor Pat says,

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that there's something that's so specific, right?

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that God knows, and part of my favorite times

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is watching people encounter the reality that

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God loves them, God knows them, and God is here.

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And so there are times in which a word of knowledge

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will carry a supernatural knowledge of somebody's

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life that only God would know. And he breaks

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in with this understanding So the person's like,

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oh, God doesn't know me, God doesn't see me.

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And sometimes I'll be praying for people and

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I'll say, are you having a relationship problem?

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And they look at me like, what? What? Who told

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you? And I said, and there's abuse and it isn't

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there. And it's been happening a long time. God

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wants you free. And the person just starts to

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cry and break down because they know that God

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was the one. who brought that to light. So it's

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really, really important because God gives us

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supernatural knowledge to be able to minister.

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And sometimes I don't even mention what God chose

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me. It just means now I know how I can talk with

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them, or I know what they may need. But we've

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heard people in supermarkets and gas stations

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and all of a sudden saying like, You know, God

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sees that you've been addicted to such and such

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for 10 years and the person's like, how could

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you know that? Right. You know, and then you

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pray for him and there's breakthrough. Sure.

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Yeah. Do we need this today? Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Why? Why do you think we need

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it today? People are wondering who God is and

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does he really care? Does he really know who

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I am? You know, I'm just one of millions of people.

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He pinpoints. His attention and they know it

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so that they they see clearly that yeah, he knows

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he knows who I am and You know, whatever I thought

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was hidden He knows he knows And it's very timely

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because it's becoming very obvious that man's

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wisdom only has a certain point, right? Man's

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knowledge can only get us a certain point. Yeah,

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and we're seeing areas that only God can solve

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these situations. So it's critical that we have

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the wisdom and the knowledge of God to really

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get to the root of things. We have a supernatural

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wisdom. We have a supernatural understanding

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of circumstances and the dynamics happening in

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them. And this next one is interesting. It says

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in verse number nine, to another faith by the

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same spirit. Now this is an interesting one because

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it kind of touches, Steve, what you were saying.

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You can have wisdom and everybody's supposed

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to have faith, but there's something specific

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called the gift of faith. So anybody want to

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take a stab at what the gift of faith is? Well,

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I don't know who is specifically the gift of

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faith, but I saw a dynamic example of faith just

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today when my brother Jeff was included here

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in this. who you've been with the Lord for a

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couple of years now, right? I've been with the

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Lord a few more years, but Jeff really, really

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demonstrated faith, I believe, because he jumped

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right into this. And I think the reason you did

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it was because you knew that God was going to

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be there to give you the grace. I mean, I wouldn't

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be here if it wasn't for God. He's such a blessing

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in my life. with the gifts that he does give.

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He's able to use what I've went through in my

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life to help others. Just the other day I was

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driving home from Master Kim's and I was able

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to pull over on the side of the road at 10 .30

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at night, Patterson, and pray for a homeless

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man who was addicted to drugs. I asked him, can

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I pray for you? He said, absolutely, I need it.

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He said that, he needed it. And I knew that I

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needed to pull over on the side of the road.

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Well, let's hear from you, Pastor Pat. Supernatural

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faith is definitely a gift because there are

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circumstances that come into your life where

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it's impossible. I had this situation in my body

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where my hip was deteriorating and I was having

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difficulty walking, doing normal activities.

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and I knew that I was going to need a hip replacement

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and I didn't want that, but I believed God because

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I had studied the Word, I had known and read

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the Word and knew that He was my healer and I

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did not want surgery. I wanted a supernatural

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hip replacement and God gave me supernatural

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faith, gift of faith, to receive that. In an

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instant all the pain was gone. And you've seen

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in Africa, where in Africa have you been? in

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Kenya and in Tanzania and in Nigeria. And so

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you've seen mass crusades, right? With thousands

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receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, salvation

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and healing. And the ministry of God, the gift

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of faith is often seen there. And you're right,

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it's a supernatural movement of the Spirit on

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the person ministering. that's even above and

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beyond their cultivated faith. It's above and

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beyond their personal faith. It's not something

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that they grew in. It's not something they cultivated

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in. It's a movement of the Holy Spirit that wants

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to use that person. And I've had a couple of

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instances where it felt like a, where everything

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got clear and it was like a whole nother level.

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And then I step off the platform and I'm back

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to my cultivated faith. It's an awesome experience.

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I experienced something like that when I was

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in the Dominican Republic on mission work. I

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had just given my testimony. That's what I was

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planning on doing. But the Lord moved me to wash

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the feet of the entire congregation. It was just

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mostly children. And I don't speak Spanish, you

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know? I'm praying for them, washing their feet.

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I'm praying the Spirit and praying for them just

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in English. And I'm just in the Holy Spirit the

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whole time. And I go back and watch the footage

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and I just see each children, they're in tears.

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They're moved by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit

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is moving you. There's no language barrier when

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it comes to the Spirit. That's right. Amen, amen.

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So there's a lot of text here in 1 Corinthians.

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And we have different kinds of movement of the

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Holy Spirit. There's what's called a five -fold

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ministry, the apostolic ministry, prophetic ministry,

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the evangelistic, the teaching, the pastoral.

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We also have administrations, a working of miracles,

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and different things that the Bible is describing.

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But there's one that I do want to talk about,

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which we could dedicate two hours alone just

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to discuss it, and it's the gift of tongues.

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It's probably, I think in my experience, I don't

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know yours, but the most controversial one of

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this idea of the Glossier, the language of the

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spirit, the supernatural language. And I'd like

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to just share a little bit about what it is,

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because some people may not be aware of that

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at all, or maybe it's something that you've heard

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about, but never really understood. To be really,

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really brief about it in this episode, the gift

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of tongues is a supernatural empowerment to speak

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a supernatural language that speaks directly

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to God. And there is a gift of tongues that you're

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able to pray in. And the Bible describes this.

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This prayer is edifying our spirit. It's been

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for personal edification. and it is strengthening

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us and we're having this deep communion with

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God in a language we didn't learn. And so it

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is a miracle. It's an amazing thing. And a lot

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of people wonder, is that real? Is that not real?

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And they sometimes hear people speaking in this

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unknown tongue or this unknown language and they

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think that it's just gibberish or something like

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that. And you know, there are people that I guess

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may try to just you know, mock or try to pretend

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something, but no, there's really a supernatural

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gift. In fact, Paul, he speaks that he speaks

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in tongues more than all the people that he was

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even writing to in Corinthians. Paul the apostle

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spoke in tongues. The early church spoke in tongues.

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In fact, Paul had to write Corinthians to kind

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of like give some some instruction around the

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gifts so that they didn't misuse them. And tongues

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was one of them. Everybody was speaking in this.

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It makes me think like, why was the early church

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so flowing in some of these gifts? And today

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there are Christians who say, wait, I don't even

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know what tongues are. So I would just like to

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hear just for very, very briefly because of time,

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but You all do speak in what we call a heavenly

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language or that spiritual gift of tongues. And,

00:28:08.059 --> 00:28:12.220
you know, how did it happen? What happened to

00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:14.140
you? Why don't we start with you, Pastor Pat?

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Well, I had heard about tongues and I knew that

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it was something that the Spirit of God did.

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And I was a little bit afraid of it because I

00:28:24.099 --> 00:28:27.299
knew God was powerful and I didn't know if I

00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:29.710
really wanted... to do this thing and then one

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day I was in a worship service setting and everybody

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was up on their feet and with their hands up

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praising the Lord and I loved to worship. I was

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a worshiper and I just was entering in and all

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of a sudden I was worshiping in another tongue.

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That's how it happened to me. Wow, powerful,

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powerful. Steve, how did you encounter it? Yeah,

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well I had seen people around me. you know, exercising

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this gift and praying, you know, in the unknown

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tongue, praying with groanings that are 2d4s.

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And it's something that kind of attracted me.

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I wanted that, but there was almost like a mental

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block that I had. And I think what happened was

00:29:09.869 --> 00:29:12.430
I was trying to figure it out with my natural

00:29:12.430 --> 00:29:16.670
mind. And it's, God, I think God showed me, no,

00:29:16.730 --> 00:29:19.309
you don't figure this out in your natural mind.

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you simply ask and receive. I remember having

00:29:23.529 --> 00:29:27.029
almost an argument with myself until I just said,

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God, if you want me to have this, I want it.

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And I was actually all by myself out in the wilderness,

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the place you like to be from time to time. And

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it just started flowing and it hasn't stopped

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since. But it's a way, like you say, Pastor,

00:29:43.329 --> 00:29:46.289
it's a groaning. that's too deep for words sometimes

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can only be expressed with a groan or sometimes,

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you know, with the other. And we actually find

00:29:51.549 --> 00:29:53.829
that language communicated by the apostle Paul

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in his letter to the Romans that there is a prayer

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that We don't know how to pray, but the spirit

00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:02.180
itself makes intercession through us. And then

00:30:02.180 --> 00:30:04.720
there's our groanings and things. Jeff, how did

00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.900
you encounter the gift of tongues? I was one

00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:08.759
of those guys that wasn't sure about tongues

00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:11.440
at all. I was like having a conversation literally

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the night before Pentecost with a brother. I

00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:15.559
was like, what's up with these tongues, man?

00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:17.079
You know, like, I'm not sure if I understand

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.480
this or whatever. And the Pentecost came and

00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:23.390
I'm worshipping and I'm in the Holy Spirit, got

00:30:23.390 --> 00:30:26.230
tears, you know, singing hallelujah. And you're

00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:28.910
coming by and praying for another brother. And

00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:30.670
all of a sudden I feel your hand pull me up towards

00:30:30.670 --> 00:30:33.930
the altar. The next thing you know, I'm just

00:30:33.930 --> 00:30:38.509
overwhelmed with this. I can't even explain it

00:30:38.509 --> 00:30:40.849
really, because I don't I feel like I wasn't

00:30:40.849 --> 00:30:42.829
there almost, you know, I have to go. I have

00:30:42.829 --> 00:30:45.390
to go back and rewatch the video. It's like it's

00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:48.640
like when I hear back and I'm like. What is that?

00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:51.599
It really just came out of me. I mean, between

00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.299
crying and speaking in tongues at the same time.

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And it was just, it changed my walk. It changed

00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.920
my relationship. There's an empowerment that

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.180
comes to us when that happens. And that's why

00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:12.170
the realities... of the supernatural nature of

00:31:12.170 --> 00:31:14.349
Christianity have to be restored to the church.

00:31:14.910 --> 00:31:17.809
We have to. And listening, if you're a pastor,

00:31:17.950 --> 00:31:19.450
you're a church leader, I am with you. There

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are so many wrong examples. There are so many

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abuses of things and stuff, but we have to go

00:31:25.430 --> 00:31:28.910
back to Scripture and just let the Bible speak,

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right? We have to allow that, the Scripture to

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speak for itself because we see in the Scripture

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that that it's there and it's included with all

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the other elements in here. And when we look

00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.380
at purpose, right, when we look at purpose, does

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God still want to release the same Holy Spirit

00:31:48.700 --> 00:31:52.859
gifts now that he did that? Yeah, sure. You know,

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.660
the apostle Paul's, some people say, well, that

00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:58.299
was during Jesus' time. He only healed because

00:31:58.299 --> 00:32:00.160
when Jesus was on the earth. No, that's not true.

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When Jesus was resurrected, the apostles were

00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:06.480
still working. the works of miracles. There were

00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.339
still healings. It's still Jesus' time. He's

00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:11.480
still alive. He's still alive. It's still his

00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.299
time. It's still good, Jeff. It's still good.

00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.500
It's still his time. And some people say, well,

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:17.299
that was for the original church, you know, the

00:32:17.299 --> 00:32:20.940
early church. But so, you know, was wisdom only

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.880
for them? No. You know, was administration and

00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.799
evangelism only for them? So what I've kind of

00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.279
heard is sometimes I hear people take one of

00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:35.000
the gifts and isolate it and say, That one's

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no longer active today. But, you know, Paul the

00:32:38.019 --> 00:32:42.059
apostle, he wrote some of his letters, like 1st

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and 2nd Timothy, scholars believe between around

00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:50.440
like 64 to 67 AD. He was still speaking in tongues.

00:32:50.539 --> 00:32:55.079
Right. So that's almost 70 years plus of time

00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.039
that he was still speaking in tongues and the

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church still was. Did it stop at year 71? Right.

00:33:02.269 --> 00:33:06.309
Did it stop at 72 or maybe year 69? How would

00:33:06.309 --> 00:33:10.349
we reason through that scripturally? Some people

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say that they, you know, will quote that tongues

00:33:11.910 --> 00:33:14.269
will cease, but in the same verse it says that

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knowledge will cease. We still need knowledge

00:33:16.829 --> 00:33:24.690
on the earth now. Yes, very much so. So this

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is why I highly respect people as they're working

00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:34.980
through, even us at the table, we didn't understand.

00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:37.359
Right? So we're compassionate about that. And

00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.660
our heart in speaking about this is not to point

00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.599
fingers of people who may have a different view,

00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.960
it's just to share and challenge our thinking

00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.059
to say, wait a minute, let's, maybe we have to

00:33:46.059 --> 00:33:49.059
rethink and return. And maybe we have to look

00:33:49.059 --> 00:33:51.819
at God's purpose for this because he's still

00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:54.920
desiring for his sons and daughters to be edified

00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.299
and communicate that intimately with. But we

00:33:58.299 --> 00:34:01.759
also have to appreciate. There's a diversity

00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.180
of gifts and the Holy Spirit gives to each one

00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:07.039
according to what he wills. We're not all going

00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.179
to have the same gifts. So I don't believe that

00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:13.840
there are second -class citizens in the kingdom

00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.099
of God. Like these are the important children.

00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:17.719
These are the less important children because

00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:19.619
they have these gifts and they only have those

00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:22.699
gifts. That is a flawed understanding of scripture.

00:34:23.659 --> 00:34:25.619
Paul goes into this and he describes, you know,

00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.360
the unity of the body. and how the foot needs

00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.000
the arm and the eye needs the nose and the ear

00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:33.960
and it's one body. So you're getting this idea

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:39.320
of the community, the family of God with one

00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:44.099
spirit, empowering us all in different ways to

00:34:44.099 --> 00:34:48.139
work together. Yeah, so very, very powerful.

00:34:51.809 --> 00:34:55.170
Same spirit, but we have different works. Yes.

00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:57.889
And this is why, you know, I have felt transparently

00:34:57.889 --> 00:35:00.349
to church leaders who are listening or just Christians,

00:35:00.869 --> 00:35:03.369
I have felt pressure to be like somebody else.

00:35:03.409 --> 00:35:06.329
I felt pressure. I'm not enough of this. I'm

00:35:06.329 --> 00:35:08.889
too much like that. And you start to realize,

00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:12.650
no, I'm a workmanship. God made me as he made

00:35:12.650 --> 00:35:14.909
me, but he made you guys differently and I need

00:35:14.909 --> 00:35:17.869
you. I love you all. I need you and you need

00:35:17.869 --> 00:35:21.389
me. We got to do it together. Amen. God's masterpiece.

00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:27.250
God's masterpiece. I think ultimately I'd like

00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:30.269
us to go to Galatians chapter 2 verse 20 real

00:35:30.269 --> 00:35:34.769
briefly. I think this is the key to all of this

00:35:34.769 --> 00:35:38.409
conversation today. Paul said, for I have been

00:35:38.409 --> 00:35:41.780
crucified. I have been crucified with Christ.

00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:47.079
It's no longer I who live, but it's Christ who

00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:49.340
lives in me. And the life I now live, I live

00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:52.300
by faith through the Son of God, right? This

00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:57.000
is the key. Steve, you mentioned it, you surrendered.

00:35:58.019 --> 00:36:00.179
Jeff, you mentioned in episode two, you surrendered.

00:36:00.980 --> 00:36:03.099
Pastor Pat, you were in a state of worship, just

00:36:03.099 --> 00:36:05.639
surrendering to God, just, you know, adoring

00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.539
God. I had the same thing happen by myself in

00:36:08.539 --> 00:36:12.940
an apartment. Lord, I desire. Even this past

00:36:12.940 --> 00:36:15.739
Pentecost, and for those who may not know, Pentecost

00:36:15.739 --> 00:36:18.599
is the 50th day from the resurrection of Jesus

00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.179
Christ. It's an awesome meaning through the gospel.

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.079
Here in our local church in Abundant Grace, we

00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.159
had people coming up and saying, I want to receive

00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:32.159
the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I want that activation

00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:35.900
of the gifts of God. People came up and there

00:36:35.900 --> 00:36:37.860
were a number of people that just received it.

00:36:38.110 --> 00:36:40.650
the gift of tongues, and now they're able to

00:36:40.650 --> 00:36:43.150
operate in other gifts because God desires it.

00:36:43.150 --> 00:36:49.369
God longs for it. And Paul says, he says to pursue

00:36:49.369 --> 00:36:55.789
and to desire after the gifts. But listen to

00:36:55.789 --> 00:36:59.590
verse chapter 14 of 1 Corinthians, verse 12.

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It says, even so you, since you are as zealous

00:37:02.110 --> 00:37:04.929
for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification

00:37:04.929 --> 00:37:08.820
of the church that you seek to excel. So I'm

00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:10.699
going to put those two verses together for us.

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Galatians, it's not us who lives, we surrender.

00:37:15.820 --> 00:37:19.199
But what's our motivation? That God is going

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.840
to utilize the Holy Spirit in our life for the

00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.599
building up of His people called the church.

00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:30.159
Amen. That's so good. You guys think that that's

00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.940
going to accelerate the release of the gifts

00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:37.619
in people? Absolutely. It's just such a picture

00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:41.139
of wholeness. You know, before Christ, they needed

00:37:41.139 --> 00:37:43.619
all different manner of spirits. They had the

00:37:43.619 --> 00:37:45.699
spirit of this spirit or that spirit. But Paul

00:37:45.699 --> 00:37:49.199
said, no, it's all, everything pertaining to

00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.300
life and godliness is in the one true spirit

00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:55.280
of God. There's such a beauty to that. We don't

00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.079
have to look elsewhere. We don't have to search

00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.179
all different spirits. But first of all, we get

00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:04.400
the gift of eternal life. But now he gives us

00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.590
these gifts. in order to, as you say, to build

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:12.630
one another up, to multiply that image throughout

00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:15.710
the earth, and it only can happen corporately.

00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:18.809
We need the gifts of the Spirit have to function

00:38:18.809 --> 00:38:20.949
corporately, and my finger won't just go over

00:38:20.949 --> 00:38:23.789
here and get something done. I need my whole

00:38:23.789 --> 00:38:26.710
person to be involved. There has to be connectedness,

00:38:26.710 --> 00:38:29.969
and as we do, it shows the very nature of God.

00:38:30.250 --> 00:38:35.530
Yes. On that point, we need each other. and we

00:38:35.530 --> 00:38:38.530
need a good local church to belong to. I wanna

00:38:38.530 --> 00:38:40.409
encourage you, if you're even just seeking God,

00:38:40.989 --> 00:38:45.190
if you desire God, if you're already saved, and

00:38:45.190 --> 00:38:46.909
even if you're in a church that isn't teaching

00:38:46.909 --> 00:38:50.449
the Bible, in all cases, we need a good Bible

00:38:50.449 --> 00:38:53.570
teaching church. Why? You need to learn, you

00:38:53.570 --> 00:38:55.510
need to fellowship, and then you need to be able

00:38:55.510 --> 00:38:59.570
to find your ministry in the community of God's

00:38:59.570 --> 00:39:02.320
house. And so I want to encourage you. Number

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.980
one, you receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:09.019
You cast all your care and you repent from your

00:39:09.019 --> 00:39:12.079
sin. You turn away and you declare Jesus as Lord.

00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.099
You really receive him into your heart. Number

00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:19.199
two, you've got to grow in the word of God. And

00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.579
God's going to show you your ministry and God

00:39:21.579 --> 00:39:23.940
is going to release his Holy Spirit to you. I'm

00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:26.280
even going to pray for you right now. Lord, I

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.159
pray God that you would release God all that

00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:32.349
you desire. Lord, upon everyone listening, Lord,

00:39:32.449 --> 00:39:35.730
maybe there are people now who God are hungering

00:39:35.730 --> 00:39:38.110
after spiritual gifts, Lord, they want to serve

00:39:38.110 --> 00:39:40.389
you. They're like Isaiah, they say, Lord, here

00:39:40.389 --> 00:39:43.809
I am, send me. And so, Lord, I pray, Father God,

00:39:43.929 --> 00:39:46.610
for each person listening and watching that,

00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:50.489
Lord God, you would release exactly as the spirit

00:39:50.489 --> 00:39:54.440
wills upon their life, Lord. Lord, the gifts

00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.840
and the collection of gifts that are all meant

00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.639
for their calling. Lord, we ask this, Lord, you

00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.699
said in Luke 11, how much more will you give

00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:06.059
good gifts to those who ask you? So just ask

00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:10.059
him right now as I'm praying for you, ask the

00:40:10.059 --> 00:40:13.230
Lord to. release the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

00:40:13.369 --> 00:40:15.510
He's good. He's good. He's gonna release them

00:40:15.510 --> 00:40:18.329
to you. He wants you to have them. You are his

00:40:18.329 --> 00:40:20.969
son or daughter. So Lord, I just thank you and

00:40:20.969 --> 00:40:22.909
ask this for your glory in the name of Jesus

00:40:22.909 --> 00:40:26.730
Christ. Amen. Well, praise God. I hope you enjoy

00:40:26.730 --> 00:40:30.289
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00:40:30.289 --> 00:40:32.030
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00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:35.170
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00:40:35.170 --> 00:40:38.960
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