Why the Bible Might Be Nothing You Expected, But Everything You Need

Why the Bible Might Be Nothing You Expected, But Everything You Need

Michael and Lauren McAfee have a passion to connect the Bible to the younger generations. In this episode, hear how their new book, "Not What You Think," invites Millenials and Gen Z, who are skeptical and modern thinkers, to learn how the Bible is not what they expect and is everything they need.

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Michael and Lauren McAfee

Michael and Lauren McAfee have a passion to connect the Bible to the younger generations. In this episode, hear how their new book, Not What You Think, invites Millenials and Gen Z, who are skeptical and modern thinkers, to learn how the Bible is not what they expect and is everything they need.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: This is the Greenelines podcast. I'm Steve Greene on the Charisma Podcast Network. This show is brought to you by my book, Love Leads. I am so excited to talk with you about my book. I haven't done this. I feel a little funny about it. But at the same time, I believe the Lord gave me this book. It is inspired. I hope you would say that after you've read it. It's filled with Scripture, and concepts about leadership that really begin in the home. I've always felt that if we can't lead at home, we're surely not going to be able to lead in any business environment. So, I think it's a carry over. I'm trying to debunk that myth that you got to be strong and tough to be a good leader. I just believe you've got to do what Jesus did and love. If we can't love one another, if we can't demonstrate love at work, what are we doing leading? If God is love, and we don't love, how then are we supposed to lead? Are we supposed to lead by opinion or by the size of my biceps, or how loud I can yell? No, I think we're supposed to lead based on biblical principles. I've tried to identify those throughout this book. In fact, this book is a spiritual connection between all of our relationships and our productivity, that if we work together, we love one another, we treat each other with respect and honor and accountability … if we do that, we're going to be more productive, we're going to get more done and I teach a complete sermon on the productive home. I believe that we've got to learn to be more productive at home. This book of fine will help you with that.

I want to read you something John Bevere said about my book. Is this vain? I hope you don't think so. I hope it isn't because listen to what John Bevere says about my book. Love Leads is a must read for all those in a position of leadership. Now, before you say to me, I'm not in a position of leadership, may I say to you that yes, you are. You are to lead others to Christ, you are to lead your home. You are to lead your friends out of the valleys that they get into. You spend a lot of your day leading, whether you know it or not. I think Love Leads will help you. It's an important book. I have many good reviews on it on Amazon. I'd like to send you though, to Charisma to get you a good price and free shipping. It's loveleads.charismamag.com; love leads.charismamag.com. Now let's get to the show, and thanks for enduring me.

 

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Dr. Steve Greene: All of you are in for a big treat today. I've got two very special guests that have written an exciting book. You may not think a book about the Bible is all that exciting, but I do because it's Not What You Think. That's the title of the book, Not What You Think: Why the Bible Might be Nothing We Expected Yet Everything We Need. My guests for the show today are Lauren and Michael McAfee.

Michael, you've written a book. Basically, you're a theologian. Both of you are studying to get PhDs in theology, correct?

Laruen McAfee: That's correct. We are in the same program. So, it's a lot of fun. We're going to all the same classes and studying together, but pursuing the PhD in public theology.

Dr. Steve Greene: Okay, so who's getting the highest grade on test? Michael, there's no way you can answer that any other way. You've also written a great book. So, tell me where the impetus, the unction for this book came from, besides obviously, the leading of the Holy Spirit. What caused you to sit down and pen this book?

Michael McAfee: Lauren and I both grew up in a Christian home. We actually met in church when we were seven years old in Sunday school. So, we have been inundated in the all things Bible. Our growing up experience was centered around the Bible and church and loved it, had a great experience with it, came to Christ at young ages, baptized, the whole thing. Whenever we went to college, we decided we wanted to go to a secular university because we wanted to have our Christian bubble popped and really have our perspectives and beliefs challenged. As we did, we found that we had strong convictions in our faith and in the Scriptures, and that a lot of the questions that people were asking about the Bible showed a misunderstanding of what the Bible is. So, through those conversations, as well as relationships that we built from living in New York City, to traveling with the Museum of the Bible, we just had this growing, passionate desire to help sort of rebrand the Bible to help especially our generation, our peers, see that the Bible isn't what they think it is … that it's not just a book of rules. It's not a book of morality, but it's a story about what God has done for us in Christ offering us a new relationship with Him. This was our attempt to sort of have the conversation that we've had organically through real relationships for years, in a book form that we could provide to pastors and parents and our peers as well.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you briefly mentioned the Museum of the Bible. We shouldn't go forward until we tell that story. Lauren, do you want to talk about it? How did your family Museum in the Bible and share what you would like to share?

Lauren McAfee: My father, Steve Green, founded Museum of the Bible, and I got to be one of the first employees who began working alongside my dad in the early days back before we even knew that the museum would be in Washington, D.C. It was just a vision and idea. Then, over time, God just opened doors. We found a building in Washington, D.C., and the museum opened the fall of 2017. So, it's been open a year and a half now and is the museum is the third-largest Museum in Washington, D.C. The Museum of the Bible is all about the Bible. So, we talked about the history of the Bible, and show how the Bible has chronologically made its way through history, how it was translated, the transmission process, and just kind of answer that question of how did we get the Bible that we hold in our hands today? We also talked about the narrative of the Bible. What is the overarching story? What is this book about? It is a book with many stories in it, but they're all pointing to one story that is through Jesus, and God and His work through Jesus. So, we're trying to share that narrative. Then we also have the impact floor, which talks about the impact of the Bible. So, the Bible has impacted many areas of our world that we might not even realize just on a day-to-day basis. But you can find biblical references all throughout secular movies, music; you can find them in various forms of the art, fashion, also government systems and culture, and how that shaped cultural thinking. So, we share some of those stories and kind of highlights of the Bible as we've found it all throughout different areas of society and culture. So, it's a really technologically advanced museum. It's a lot of fun, very engaging. We created experiences so that people would not just walk through a museum and see books under a display case, but actually experience the Bible in a new way. It was a lot of work to get the museum open and my family had a lot of other people come alongside to make this museum possible. We hope everyone goes and enjoys it. It's a lot of fun.

Dr. Steve Greene: Tell us about some of the holdings that your family believes in most, that are some of the most precious holdings in the museum.

Lauren McAfee: There are so many wonderful artifacts in the history, specifically, which is where we kind of highlight some of the different artifacts throughout history. One of the really neat pieces that I think we have on display the museum are the Dead Sea Scrolls fragments. We have some of the fragments that were discovered from the Dead Sea Scroll fragments that are on display. Those are just such a significant piece of the Bible's history because they are a very early representation of the Bible. Those are on display. We also have one of the earliest copies of a portion of the chapter eight of the book of John on display in the museum. So, it's a beautiful manuscript written in Greek. There are also manuscripts that were handwritten by a great, great, great, great, great grandmother of mine. It's a beautifully illuminated manuscript that was in the hands of royalty. So, there are all kinds of beautiful items that show the incredible story of the Bible through history to become what it is today, which is … particularly in our context in America and in speaking English, we have many not only copies, but even different translations. That hasn't always been the case for the Bible. There. There are many people throughout world history that have not had access, the kind of access we have today to the Bible. So, it gives really an appreciation for our access to this book that has been significant for millennia and the opportunity that we have to engage in a book, not only in one translation, but in many different types of translations.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, Michael, how did the museum and your knowledge of the work and curating and developing the museum … How did it perhaps influence you as a writer, both of you as writers? Michael, how did it most affect you?

Michael McAfee: It had a tremendous impact. As I mentioned, kind of briefly, Lauren and I were on the awareness team. A few years before the museum opened, we were traveling 40-plus weeks out of the year, just going to different cities and sharing about this museum that was coming. One of our first stops was there with you in Orlando at Charisma. We got to just share the story over and over again and began having the same kinds of conversations with pastors and parents, especially as we were laying the groundwork for fundraising and talking, not as much to our peers as much as to our parents’ generation. There were so many that said, man, you all clearly have such a love for the Bible and God's Word. I wish that my son, my daughter, my congregation, my friend that's in your generation could talk to you because they have this block between them and the Bible, or them and Christianity, or them in the church that I can't get past. So, as we were working with MOTB, and as we were especially studying some of the data that's come out from Barna, and Pew, and ABS’s year of the Bible or Bible in America studies, we began to see these trends that yes, Millennials were not engaged the Bible like previous generations. We started to dig deeper into the data and the stats of why that is. And so, this book that we wrote, Not What You Think, is really unique in that it combines our experience with the data. So, it's kind of a couple of books in one that both provides, hopefully, some objective realities, not just our subjective experience, to the narrative of why millennials have an issue with the Bible and issue with the church and with Christianity and how we can help them identify where that bias is coming from to say hey, you may misunderstand the Bible in some ways. Let's clear the deck and look at this book afresh and let it speak for itself. At the end of the day, is someone that's not considered the Bible before, reads Not What You Think and is inspired to read the Bible, maybe for the first time, and remains, unconvinced, then we will be disappointed, but we feel like we will have done our purpose to bring them at least to the scriptures and give the Holy Spirit a chance to speak into their lives.

 

Connect with the McAfees

·         Michael on Twitter

·         Lauren on Twitter

·         At laurenmcafee.com

 

Subscribe to the Greenelines podcast and newsletter

 

Greenelines Takeaways

Dr. Steve Greene: I really enjoyed my interview with a McAfee's. I hope that you took plenty of takeaways. I'm going to offer three to you:

1.      Not What You Think is written to three groups of people: Bible readers, Bible open and Bible closed. That’s important to think about as we consider buying this book for others.

2.      Many people who don't read the Bible don't do that because how some people who do read the Bible, behave. It’s how they make me feel. If you're a Bible reader, I'm not sure I want to read what you're reading because you're not very nice to me.

3.      The Bible is a story of us. Wasn't that a good line, a good thought? Our authors really made me feel it, that every scripture can apply to life. We know that. We know it by our intellect. But sometimes we need to know what in our heart that every scripture can apply to life. It applies for a joyful and fulfilling life.

 

Bonus Takeaway: Now, I want to offer you one bonus takeaway that has nothing to do with the book. It's just the Greenelines Special. Tuesday is tech day for me and my writing online. But Apple yesterday had their Developers Conference, and a couple of things came up. So, here's some takeaways from that meeting, that might be important to you. There's a brand new and very eye-catching Mac Pro. It is the most powerful Mac ever invented or ever built. It's got the eighth-generation Intel chip in it. Let me just tell you, you'll pay for it. Another takeaway is iTunes is going away. It's gonna blow it up, that software is gone. They're going to replace it, the app is gone. They're going to replace it with standalone apps, with a music app, a podcast app and a TV app. They're creating a new operating system called Catalina. If you use iPad, this is going to be really important to you. As a secondary display or drawing tablet, you can have it sitting right next to your screen and they'll communicate somehow that Apple's got this setup. So, the new operating system for iPad is also interesting to me because it’s going to add multitasking options … a plug-in … they've never had this. Steve Jobs fought all of his life that he would not put a plug-in into one of his iPads, where we can put a hard drive, or a thumb drive, or even a camera connection. Now we've got it. So, those are things that are coming out right away. And that came up and yesterday's developer conference from Apple.

 

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

 

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Michael and Lauren McAfee

Michael and Lauren McAfee have a passion to connect the Bible to the younger generations. In this episode, hear how their new book, Not What You Think, invites Millenials and Gen Z, who are skeptical and modern thinkers, to learn how the Bible is not what they expect and is everything they need.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: This is the Greenelines podcast. I'm Steve Greene on the Charisma Podcast Network. This show is brought to you by my book, Love Leads. I am so excited to talk with you about my book. I haven't done this. I feel a little funny about it. But at the same time, I believe the Lord gave me this book. It is inspired. I hope you would say that after you've read it. It's filled with Scripture, and concepts about leadership that really begin in the home. I've always felt that if we can't lead at home, we're surely not going to be able to lead in any business environment. So, I think it's a carry over. I'm trying to debunk that myth that you got to be strong and tough to be a good leader. I just believe you've got to do what Jesus did and love. If we can't love one another, if we can't demonstrate love at work, what are we doing leading? If God is love, and we don't love, how then are we supposed to lead? Are we supposed to lead by opinion or by the size of my biceps, or how loud I can yell? No, I think we're supposed to lead based on biblical principles. I've tried to identify those throughout this book. In fact, this book is a spiritual connection between all of our relationships and our productivity, that if we work together, we love one another, we treat each other with respect and honor and accountability … if we do that, we're going to be more productive, we're going to get more done and I teach a complete sermon on the productive home. I believe that we've got to learn to be more productive at home. This book of fine will help you with that.

I want to read you something John Bevere said about my book. Is this vain? I hope you don't think so. I hope it isn't because listen to what John Bevere says about my book. Love Leads is a must read for all those in a position of leadership. Now, before you say to me, I'm not in a position of leadership, may I say to you that yes, you are. You are to lead others to Christ, you are to lead your home. You are to lead your friends out of the valleys that they get into. You spend a lot of your day leading, whether you know it or not. I think Love Leads will help you. It's an important book. I have many good reviews on it on Amazon. I'd like to send you though, to Charisma to get you a good price and free shipping. It's loveleads.charismamag.com; love leads.charismamag.com. Now let's get to the show, and thanks for enduring me.

 

Subscribe to the Greenelines podcast and newsletter

 

Dr. Steve Greene: All of you are in for a big treat today. I've got two very special guests that have written an exciting book. You may not think a book about the Bible is all that exciting, but I do because it's Not What You Think. That's the title of the book, Not What You Think: Why the Bible Might be Nothing We Expected Yet Everything We Need. My guests for the show today are Lauren and Michael McAfee.

Michael, you've written a book. Basically, you're a theologian. Both of you are studying to get PhDs in theology, correct?

Laruen McAfee: That's correct. We are in the same program. So, it's a lot of fun. We're going to all the same classes and studying together, but pursuing the PhD in public theology.

Dr. Steve Greene: Okay, so who's getting the highest grade on test? Michael, there's no way you can answer that any other way. You've also written a great book. So, tell me where the impetus, the unction for this book came from, besides obviously, the leading of the Holy Spirit. What caused you to sit down and pen this book?

Michael McAfee: Lauren and I both grew up in a Christian home. We actually met in church when we were seven years old in Sunday school. So, we have been inundated in the all things Bible. Our growing up experience was centered around the Bible and church and loved it, had a great experience with it, came to Christ at young ages, baptized, the whole thing. Whenever we went to college, we decided we wanted to go to a secular university because we wanted to have our Christian bubble popped and really have our perspectives and beliefs challenged. As we did, we found that we had strong convictions in our faith and in the Scriptures, and that a lot of the questions that people were asking about the Bible showed a misunderstanding of what the Bible is. So, through those conversations, as well as relationships that we built from living in New York City, to traveling with the Museum of the Bible, we just had this growing, passionate desire to help sort of rebrand the Bible to help especially our generation, our peers, see that the Bible isn't what they think it is … that it's not just a book of rules. It's not a book of morality, but it's a story about what God has done for us in Christ offering us a new relationship with Him. This was our attempt to sort of have the conversation that we've had organically through real relationships for years, in a book form that we could provide to pastors and parents and our peers as well.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you briefly mentioned the Museum of the Bible. We shouldn't go forward until we tell that story. Lauren, do you want to talk about it? How did your family Museum in the Bible and share what you would like to share?

Lauren McAfee: My father, Steve Green, founded Museum of the Bible, and I got to be one of the first employees who began working alongside my dad in the early days back before we even knew that the museum would be in Washington, D.C. It was just a vision and idea. Then, over time, God just opened doors. We found a building in Washington, D.C., and the museum opened the fall of 2017. So, it's been open a year and a half now and is the museum is the third-largest Museum in Washington, D.C. The Museum of the Bible is all about the Bible. So, we talked about the history of the Bible, and show how the Bible has chronologically made its way through history, how it was translated, the transmission process, and just kind of answer that question of how did we get the Bible that we hold in our hands today? We also talked about the narrative of the Bible. What is the overarching story? What is this book about? It is a book with many stories in it, but they're all pointing to one story that is through Jesus, and God and His work through Jesus. So, we're trying to share that narrative. Then we also have the impact floor, which talks about the impact of the Bible. So, the Bible has impacted many areas of our world that we might not even realize just on a day-to-day basis. But you can find biblical references all throughout secular movies, music; you can find them in various forms of the art, fashion, also government systems and culture, and how that shaped cultural thinking. So, we share some of those stories and kind of highlights of the Bible as we've found it all throughout different areas of society and culture. So, it's a really technologically advanced museum. It's a lot of fun, very engaging. We created experiences so that people would not just walk through a museum and see books under a display case, but actually experience the Bible in a new way. It was a lot of work to get the museum open and my family had a lot of other people come alongside to make this museum possible. We hope everyone goes and enjoys it. It's a lot of fun.

Dr. Steve Greene: Tell us about some of the holdings that your family believes in most, that are some of the most precious holdings in the museum.

Lauren McAfee: There are so many wonderful artifacts in the history, specifically, which is where we kind of highlight some of the different artifacts throughout history. One of the really neat pieces that I think we have on display the museum are the Dead Sea Scrolls fragments. We have some of the fragments that were discovered from the Dead Sea Scroll fragments that are on display. Those are just such a significant piece of the Bible's history because they are a very early representation of the Bible. Those are on display. We also have one of the earliest copies of a portion of the chapter eight of the book of John on display in the museum. So, it's a beautiful manuscript written in Greek. There are also manuscripts that were handwritten by a great, great, great, great, great grandmother of mine. It's a beautifully illuminated manuscript that was in the hands of royalty. So, there are all kinds of beautiful items that show the incredible story of the Bible through history to become what it is today, which is … particularly in our context in America and in speaking English, we have many not only copies, but even different translations. That hasn't always been the case for the Bible. There. There are many people throughout world history that have not had access, the kind of access we have today to the Bible. So, it gives really an appreciation for our access to this book that has been significant for millennia and the opportunity that we have to engage in a book, not only in one translation, but in many different types of translations.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, Michael, how did the museum and your knowledge of the work and curating and developing the museum … How did it perhaps influence you as a writer, both of you as writers? Michael, how did it most affect you?

Michael McAfee: It had a tremendous impact. As I mentioned, kind of briefly, Lauren and I were on the awareness team. A few years before the museum opened, we were traveling 40-plus weeks out of the year, just going to different cities and sharing about this museum that was coming. One of our first stops was there with you in Orlando at Charisma. We got to just share the story over and over again and began having the same kinds of conversations with pastors and parents, especially as we were laying the groundwork for fundraising and talking, not as much to our peers as much as to our parents’ generation. There were so many that said, man, you all clearly have such a love for the Bible and God's Word. I wish that my son, my daughter, my congregation, my friend that's in your generation could talk to you because they have this block between them and the Bible, or them and Christianity, or them in the church that I can't get past. So, as we were working with MOTB, and as we were especially studying some of the data that's come out from Barna, and Pew, and ABS’s year of the Bible or Bible in America studies, we began to see these trends that yes, Millennials were not engaged the Bible like previous generations. We started to dig deeper into the data and the stats of why that is. And so, this book that we wrote, Not What You Think, is really unique in that it combines our experience with the data. So, it's kind of a couple of books in one that both provides, hopefully, some objective realities, not just our subjective experience, to the narrative of why millennials have an issue with the Bible and issue with the church and with Christianity and how we can help them identify where that bias is coming from to say hey, you may misunderstand the Bible in some ways. Let's clear the deck and look at this book afresh and let it speak for itself. At the end of the day, is someone that's not considered the Bible before, reads Not What You Think and is inspired to read the Bible, maybe for the first time, and remains, unconvinced, then we will be disappointed, but we feel like we will have done our purpose to bring them at least to the scriptures and give the Holy Spirit a chance to speak into their lives.

 

Connect with the McAfees

·         Michael on Twitter

·         Lauren on Twitter

·         At laurenmcafee.com

 

Subscribe to the Greenelines podcast and newsletter

 

Greenelines Takeaways

Dr. Steve Greene: I really enjoyed my interview with a McAfee's. I hope that you took plenty of takeaways. I'm going to offer three to you:

1.      Not What You Think is written to three groups of people: Bible readers, Bible open and Bible closed. That’s important to think about as we consider buying this book for others.

2.      Many people who don't read the Bible don't do that because how some people who do read the Bible, behave. It’s how they make me feel. If you're a Bible reader, I'm not sure I want to read what you're reading because you're not very nice to me.

3.      The Bible is a story of us. Wasn't that a good line, a good thought? Our authors really made me feel it, that every scripture can apply to life. We know that. We know it by our intellect. But sometimes we need to know what in our heart that every scripture can apply to life. It applies for a joyful and fulfilling life.

 

Bonus Takeaway: Now, I want to offer you one bonus takeaway that has nothing to do with the book. It's just the Greenelines Special. Tuesday is tech day for me and my writing online. But Apple yesterday had their Developers Conference, and a couple of things came up. So, here's some takeaways from that meeting, that might be important to you. There's a brand new and very eye-catching Mac Pro. It is the most powerful Mac ever invented or ever built. It's got the eighth-generation Intel chip in it. Let me just tell you, you'll pay for it. Another takeaway is iTunes is going away. It's gonna blow it up, that software is gone. They're going to replace it, the app is gone. They're going to replace it with standalone apps, with a music app, a podcast app and a TV app. They're creating a new operating system called Catalina. If you use iPad, this is going to be really important to you. As a secondary display or drawing tablet, you can have it sitting right next to your screen and they'll communicate somehow that Apple's got this setup. So, the new operating system for iPad is also interesting to me because it’s going to add multitasking options … a plug-in … they've never had this. Steve Jobs fought all of his life that he would not put a plug-in into one of his iPads, where we can put a hard drive, or a thumb drive, or even a camera connection. Now we've got it. So, those are things that are coming out right away. And that came up and yesterday's developer conference from Apple.

 

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

 

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