A Lasting Peace with Rabbi Jonathan Bernis (Season 5, Ep. 24)

A Lasting Peace with Rabbi Jonathan Bernis (Season 5, Ep. 24)

Israel is the ground for the End-times and the time has come for God's people to align their hearts with God's Word. Guest Rabbi Jonathan Bernis talks about his new book "A Lasting Peace" opening a prophetic lens to the crisis in the Middle East.

Listen as Rabbi Bernis speaks more on the spiritual crisis rising in the world, the Devil's fight for his life and authority, and God's placed assignment on lands for different people and His sovereignty.

25 Minutes • 2 months ago

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Rabbi Jonathan Bernis

 

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis is a Jewish Believer in Jesus who has been a leader in Messianic Jewish ministry for more than 30 years. He serves as President and CEO of Jewish Voice Ministries International (JVMI).

Jewish Voice exists to transform lives and see all Israel saved. Their mission is to proclaim the Gospel, grow the Messianic Jewish community, and engage the Church concerning Israel and the Jewish people. Jonathan hosts JVMI’s syndicated television program, “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis,” which airs on Christian networks and by satellite throughout the world. It is available via live streaming on the internet.

In this edition of the Greenelines podcast, host Dr. Steve Greene talks with Bernis about the end times, Israeli and Palestinian relations, and Bernis’ new book, A Lasting Peace.

For the rest of Dr Steve Greene’s interview with Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, visit charismapodcastnetwork/show/greeenelines.

 

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: A. W. Tozer once said, I don't trust anyone who doesn't walk without a limp. I'm sure brother Tozer was referring to that wrestling match between Jacob and God that robed Jacob of any zip in his hip. Jacob limped for the remainder of his life. But, this is sort of a badge of honor. I wouldn’t want to have that badge of honor to say, look at me, I survived a wrestling match, and I'm going to limp forever. This, in many ways, symbolized that he had been with God. This was a place of knowing that I was with God. That limp reminds me of Acts 4:13 when Peter and John stood before the Sanhedrin Council. The verse here is really descriptive. Listen to this in verse 13. The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. Listen to this. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus. This is a new testament limp. It should be obvious by our walk with a limp or without that we spend time in the presence of the Lord. There was an anointing upon Peter and John. They spoke differently, their words cut to the heart of the matter. I wouldn't be surprised if they also limped because of many floggings they endured. But one thing seems certain to me. The way we live our life, how we speak, how we handle the storms of life, or what I call the invisible limp, that's the impact of our life with the Lord. It's noticeable. We preach the gospel by how we walk. My guest today is our friend and author Jonathan Bernis, who lives his life with the invisible limp. He's the president and CEO of Jewish Voice Ministries and has been a leader in Messianic Jewish ministry for more than 30 years. He's a much sought-after guest on major radio and TV broadcasts are a lot bigger than my podcast. So, we're quite honored to have this opportunity with him. So right off the bat, what's the Lord up to with you beginning this year 2019 as you look forward into what's ahead? How's the Lord leading you?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I'm so excited about 2019. This is my 39th year of walking with the Lord and 39th year of walking in the calling the clear calling that the Lord's given me to reach my own people, the Jew first with the gospel. We have incredible opportunities that we are walking through now. One of them in particular that I want to mention is we are working in Africa, and I can't I can't dimension which country, but we're working with refugees; Muslim refugees that are Jewish. They're living in squalor. We're providing medical care, dental care, eye care. And these are Jews who were forced to convert to Islam. But secretly, they've been retaining their Jewish identity. What an incredible opportunity. Our ministry has been doing this now for many years, reaching the scattered tribes of Israel. It’s really been supernatural. Jewish people that have retained their identity living in the bush of Africa, the bushes of Zimbabwe, the rural villages of Ethiopia, Zambia; some great new opportunities. Jewish people coming to faith in their Messiah in greater numbers than we've seen at any time, I think, since the first century,

 

Dr. Steve Greene: And you would know this, you’re a student, you're an amazing gift for helping us understand the Middle East and certainly the travails of the people who are trying to find the Messiah.

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: There's the restoration of the Jewish people back to their land. In 1960, in 1948 and then in 1967 with the restoration of Jerusalem are definitely fulfillments of Bible prophecy that many Christians are aware of. What many Christians are not aware of, is the return of Jewish people in great numbers over the last decades back to Israel and back to the God of Israel through their Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus, in the last decades. That also is a direct fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Romans 11 says that in the end, the blindness will come off of the eyes of the Jewish people and eventually all Israel will be saved and then the Messiah will return. So, I'm seeing this happen, I'm an eyewitness of the fact that tens of thousands of Jewish people are coming to faith in their Messiah. They're being restored back to their God. So, the return back to Israel, but also a spiritual return is just a great thing to be part of.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That has to put zip in your hip. That has to give you a lot of joy.

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It does. Indeed, it's a miracle, a modern miracle. The more I understand the times we live in, the more excited I am that I have the opportunity to live in these days, the greatest days in human history.

 

Some of Jonathan Bernis’ Books

·         A Lasting Peace: A Historical, Biblical and Prophetic Lens on the Crisis in the Middle East (Charisma House 2019)

·         A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days: Surprising Insights on Israel, the End Times and Popular Misconceptions

·         A Rabbi Looks at Jesus of Nazareth

·         Unlocking the Prophetic Mysteries of Israel (Charisma House, 2017)

·         A Rabbi Looks at the Afterlife

 

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's a big statement from you. So, you've written a new another book, you're a prolific writer. You understand the difficulties in the Middle East probably more than most, certainly at the scholar level. So, tell us why you wrote your new book, A Lasting Peace (Charisma House, 2019).

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I wrote it for three reasons. The first is we get so many questions here at Jewish Voice about Israel, about the Jewish people's right to the land, about the Palestinians and why should Christians support Israel over the Palestinians for the land. What does this mean and why should this matter to me? So, the first reason I wrote the book is to answer the questions that I'm asked almost every day; sometimes hundreds of letters. The second reason I wrote the book is I believe that God's people need to be aligned with his heart. And the reason that Israel should matter to every Christian, to every person listening to this podcast is because God cares. God loves the Jewish people. Not that he loves the Jewish people more than the Arab people but he has a unique destiny that He's assigned to the Jewish people. He's committed to complete that and they affect the church, they affect us. And this is his heart It's a heart that wants to see the world redeemed. But I believe that that redemption of the world is through a specific people, which includes the church because the church has been grafted into Israel. But there is a final restoration. The Bible says the first shall be last. And I think one of the meanings of that is God's commitment to restore the Jewish people. It should matter to every Christian. The State of Israel should matter to every Christian for a number of reasons One of them is that, and it’s the third reason, this is center stage for end times Bible prophecy. It's not America, it's not Europe, it’s Israel. Israel is center stage; it's the yellow, it's the bullseye, it’s ground zero. And if we care about what happens in the future where Jesus is coming back to and why, then the State of Israel needs to matter and Jerusalem in particular needs to be something that Christians understand.  The men of Issacar were deemed to be wise because they understood the times. And if we want to understand the times which were called to understand, then we have to understand Israel.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: It seems for my entire life, I've seen this constant upheaval in the Middle East. Can you tell me, help me out, I'm an old guy. I've seen it for in my entire life. Why is it so unstable even today?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I'd say the central theme of the book … it's a thorough book. I wanted to cover this thoroughly and simplistically, but with simplicity as well. So, thorough but simplistic, so I cover every area. But the premise of the book throughout is that this is not a political crisis. This is spiritual at its root. This is a spiritual issue and the reason that there's so much upheaval and that it's so deeply rooted and so hard to solve, and it goes all the way back to Genesis chapter 16 with Ishmael and the prophecy that the descendants of Ishmael would be like wild donkeys and turning their hand against everyone, and particularly against their brothers. Well, their brothers are the children of Jacob, the children of Israel. So, the promise of the land is through Isaac and Jacob who became Israel. But they're the brothers of Ishmael. Isaac is the brother of Ishmael. So the conflict was prophesied way back in Genesis chapter 16. That's how deep rooted this is. And at the very root, this is a spiritual issue that not only is a family feud but fueled by the real devil, Satan, who was committed to keeping God's plan for the redemption of the world, not just the redemption of it, of the Jewish people, but the redemption of the world from being fulfilled. I think this is a fight for Satan's very life and his authority, his dominion. And in the end, he loses.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: We know that. We know how the story end. So, I guess for now, what would I say to my church on Sunday to help Christians respond properly to what you're describing and what the reality is? How do we respond?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: A couple of things I want to say. And I say this in every interview as long as I have the time to, that God does not love the Jewish people more than he loves the Arab people. He doesn’t love the Israelis more than He loves the Palestinians. He doesn't. He loves us all equally. Our access to salvation, to redemption, is a level playing field. But God in his sovereignty has decreed a land for specific people as an eternal inheritance. And Christians have to align that with God's sovereignty. That’s what He declares in His Word and we either believe the Word or we don't. That's one thing I want to say. It's not a matter of God loving one people above the other, it's about God's sovereignty and plan. I would say this also to all Christians. We have THE answer. We have THE solution. Not a path, not a solution, but THE answer. Sometimes Christians feel helpless, like I don't have anything to offer. I can't really speak into this, but we have the power of prayer, which is mighty for the pulling down of strongholds. When you realize that this is a spiritual conflict, then the only solution as a spiritual solution. It’s prayer, but it's also Proclamation. Those two things I think are the key to peace, to a lasting peace not only in the Middle East but in the world. When people come into a relationship with the God of Israel through the Messiah of Israel, Jesus, Yeshua, the Savior of the world, everything changes. I've seen firsthand when Jew and Arab come into relationship with the Messiah, with the Savior. There's true peace, there's love. There's unity. That's God's peace plan. It's  not an accord. It's not an agreement. It's a person and His name is Jesus.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, will this ever happen? I've got a pretty good understanding of what needs to happen. Do you see it in your lifetime?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: Absolutely. One of the most important aspects of my faith or doctrines is that Jesus is coming back physically in bodily form. He's not coming back in a heavenly form. He's coming back literally and He's not coming back to a new Jerusalem, a heavenly Jerusalem, He’s coming back physically the same way he departed from to the same place. He's coming back to Jerusalem and that necessitates the restoration of Jerusalem back into Jewish hands because he said you won't see me again until you, you men of Israel say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’ He's coming back and He will establish a lasting peace on this earth. The question is when and what is our role in bringing that about? Those are the questions I try to answer in the book. I'm not answering the when by the way. I just know it’s soon. I don't know the date’ I don't place any dates on His return. I think that's futile, a big mistake. But I believe it's going to be soon. I don't know if it's months or years, but we are in the last of the last days and we get to be part of this great final wrap up. It's going to be glorious. I really believe that.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So how does this conflict that continues to brew, how does it affect the European countries and even in the United States?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It affects every nation. Look at 911. We had a glimpse of what Israel endures literally every day. Certainly, the threat that Israel faces in the north and the south internally; the number of terror attacks that Israel has endured. Literally, daily missile attacks launched from Gaza in the south from Hamas. Sadly, Gaza, the whole idea of land for pieces failed and Gaza is nothing more than a staging ground for missile attacks daily against Israel. And then you have a group called Hezbollah. I talk about this group under the control of Iran in the north and they have over 25,000 missiles stockpiled; some of them very sophisticated and very powerful that could hit the major population centers of Israel like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa. They're just waiting for the they're waiting for the order to fire off possibly thousands of these missiles. These are the very real threats that Israel faces every day. And then you have an Iranian leadership that has publicly stated, and they're not kidding, they're not lying, when they develop a nuclear warhead, it will be used against Israel to annihilate Israel.

 

·         Psalm 121:4-7: Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand. The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night. The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul” (KJV).

 

Dr. Steve Greene: What do you do with that in your studies and your biblical knowledge? Does it make you full of faith that you know it won't happen, or does it worry you?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It's in the context of the promise that God makes. Two promises that I always keep in mind when I look at the Middle East situation. One, He that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps, always watching over Israel. He’s always watching over the people that He has already ordained to complete their destiny. This is a people with the destiny that God says it's irrevocable and a destiny they will fulfill it at some point some way somehow. I believe that and the second promise is in Jeremiah chapter 31, which I talk about in every book that I've ever written, that as long as the sun shines by day and the moon and stars shine by night, they decree they declare that God is sovereignly preserving the Jewish people as people before him. The anti-Semitism is as old as the calling of Abraham. It goes back to the beginning efforts to destroy the Jewish people.

 

·         Jeremiah 31:35-37: “Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for a light by day
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea so that the waves roar, the Lord of Hosts is His name: If those ordinances depart from before Me, says the Lord, then the seed of Israel also will cease from being a nation before Me forever. Thus says the Lord: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says the Lord” (MEV)

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: “There is such a terrible history of anti-Semitism. The Holocaust just 80 years ago, but now anti-Semitism is at the highest level since World War II according to the Anti-Defamation League. But God says I will preserve you, despite the efforts to destroy you. I will preserve you as a nation and even though you've disobeyed me, I'm faithful to you. That comforts me. When I look around the state of the Middle East scenario. But I do believe that Israel is susceptible to these attacks; that in the last days there's going to be turmoil and unrest and terrible violence. I believe that that's unavoidable. At the same time, the people of God have the power to invade the heavenlies in prayer, to pull down strongholds. When it says to pray for the peace of Jerusalem in Psalm 122:6, the word is shalom. The word that's translated peace is shalom. The fullness of shalom is to bring to completion. So, I’m praying for God's peace plan to be fulfilled, to be completed through the revelation of the Messiah to Jew and Arab, Israeli and Palestinian alike. That's a powerful, powerful thing to pray. And God answers prayer. Then, sharing our faith with Jews and Palestinians and Muslims. I know so many ex-Muslims; some network terrorist groups that love the Jewish people that now love Israel. It's an amazing thing to witness.

 

·         Psalm 122:6: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: “May they prosper who love you!” (MEV)

 

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Rabbi Jonathan Bernis

 

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis is a Jewish Believer in Jesus who has been a leader in Messianic Jewish ministry for more than 30 years. He serves as President and CEO of Jewish Voice Ministries International (JVMI).

Jewish Voice exists to transform lives and see all Israel saved. Their mission is to proclaim the Gospel, grow the Messianic Jewish community, and engage the Church concerning Israel and the Jewish people. Jonathan hosts JVMI’s syndicated television program, “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis,” which airs on Christian networks and by satellite throughout the world. It is available via live streaming on the internet.

In this edition of the Greenelines podcast, host Dr. Steve Greene talks with Bernis about the end times, Israeli and Palestinian relations, and Bernis’ new book, A Lasting Peace.

For the rest of Dr Steve Greene’s interview with Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, visit charismapodcastnetwork/show/greeenelines.

 

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: A. W. Tozer once said, I don't trust anyone who doesn't walk without a limp. I'm sure brother Tozer was referring to that wrestling match between Jacob and God that robed Jacob of any zip in his hip. Jacob limped for the remainder of his life. But, this is sort of a badge of honor. I wouldn’t want to have that badge of honor to say, look at me, I survived a wrestling match, and I'm going to limp forever. This, in many ways, symbolized that he had been with God. This was a place of knowing that I was with God. That limp reminds me of Acts 4:13 when Peter and John stood before the Sanhedrin Council. The verse here is really descriptive. Listen to this in verse 13. The members of the council were amazed when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, for they could see that they were ordinary men with no special training in the Scriptures. Listen to this. They also recognized them as men who had been with Jesus. This is a new testament limp. It should be obvious by our walk with a limp or without that we spend time in the presence of the Lord. There was an anointing upon Peter and John. They spoke differently, their words cut to the heart of the matter. I wouldn't be surprised if they also limped because of many floggings they endured. But one thing seems certain to me. The way we live our life, how we speak, how we handle the storms of life, or what I call the invisible limp, that's the impact of our life with the Lord. It's noticeable. We preach the gospel by how we walk. My guest today is our friend and author Jonathan Bernis, who lives his life with the invisible limp. He's the president and CEO of Jewish Voice Ministries and has been a leader in Messianic Jewish ministry for more than 30 years. He's a much sought-after guest on major radio and TV broadcasts are a lot bigger than my podcast. So, we're quite honored to have this opportunity with him. So right off the bat, what's the Lord up to with you beginning this year 2019 as you look forward into what's ahead? How's the Lord leading you?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I'm so excited about 2019. This is my 39th year of walking with the Lord and 39th year of walking in the calling the clear calling that the Lord's given me to reach my own people, the Jew first with the gospel. We have incredible opportunities that we are walking through now. One of them in particular that I want to mention is we are working in Africa, and I can't I can't dimension which country, but we're working with refugees; Muslim refugees that are Jewish. They're living in squalor. We're providing medical care, dental care, eye care. And these are Jews who were forced to convert to Islam. But secretly, they've been retaining their Jewish identity. What an incredible opportunity. Our ministry has been doing this now for many years, reaching the scattered tribes of Israel. It’s really been supernatural. Jewish people that have retained their identity living in the bush of Africa, the bushes of Zimbabwe, the rural villages of Ethiopia, Zambia; some great new opportunities. Jewish people coming to faith in their Messiah in greater numbers than we've seen at any time, I think, since the first century,

 

Dr. Steve Greene: And you would know this, you’re a student, you're an amazing gift for helping us understand the Middle East and certainly the travails of the people who are trying to find the Messiah.

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: There's the restoration of the Jewish people back to their land. In 1960, in 1948 and then in 1967 with the restoration of Jerusalem are definitely fulfillments of Bible prophecy that many Christians are aware of. What many Christians are not aware of, is the return of Jewish people in great numbers over the last decades back to Israel and back to the God of Israel through their Messiah, Yeshua, Jesus, in the last decades. That also is a direct fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Romans 11 says that in the end, the blindness will come off of the eyes of the Jewish people and eventually all Israel will be saved and then the Messiah will return. So, I'm seeing this happen, I'm an eyewitness of the fact that tens of thousands of Jewish people are coming to faith in their Messiah. They're being restored back to their God. So, the return back to Israel, but also a spiritual return is just a great thing to be part of.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That has to put zip in your hip. That has to give you a lot of joy.

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It does. Indeed, it's a miracle, a modern miracle. The more I understand the times we live in, the more excited I am that I have the opportunity to live in these days, the greatest days in human history.

 

Some of Jonathan Bernis’ Books

·         A Lasting Peace: A Historical, Biblical and Prophetic Lens on the Crisis in the Middle East (Charisma House 2019)

·         A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days: Surprising Insights on Israel, the End Times and Popular Misconceptions

·         A Rabbi Looks at Jesus of Nazareth

·         Unlocking the Prophetic Mysteries of Israel (Charisma House, 2017)

·         A Rabbi Looks at the Afterlife

 

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's a big statement from you. So, you've written a new another book, you're a prolific writer. You understand the difficulties in the Middle East probably more than most, certainly at the scholar level. So, tell us why you wrote your new book, A Lasting Peace (Charisma House, 2019).

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I wrote it for three reasons. The first is we get so many questions here at Jewish Voice about Israel, about the Jewish people's right to the land, about the Palestinians and why should Christians support Israel over the Palestinians for the land. What does this mean and why should this matter to me? So, the first reason I wrote the book is to answer the questions that I'm asked almost every day; sometimes hundreds of letters. The second reason I wrote the book is I believe that God's people need to be aligned with his heart. And the reason that Israel should matter to every Christian, to every person listening to this podcast is because God cares. God loves the Jewish people. Not that he loves the Jewish people more than the Arab people but he has a unique destiny that He's assigned to the Jewish people. He's committed to complete that and they affect the church, they affect us. And this is his heart It's a heart that wants to see the world redeemed. But I believe that that redemption of the world is through a specific people, which includes the church because the church has been grafted into Israel. But there is a final restoration. The Bible says the first shall be last. And I think one of the meanings of that is God's commitment to restore the Jewish people. It should matter to every Christian. The State of Israel should matter to every Christian for a number of reasons One of them is that, and it’s the third reason, this is center stage for end times Bible prophecy. It's not America, it's not Europe, it’s Israel. Israel is center stage; it's the yellow, it's the bullseye, it’s ground zero. And if we care about what happens in the future where Jesus is coming back to and why, then the State of Israel needs to matter and Jerusalem in particular needs to be something that Christians understand.  The men of Issacar were deemed to be wise because they understood the times. And if we want to understand the times which were called to understand, then we have to understand Israel.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: It seems for my entire life, I've seen this constant upheaval in the Middle East. Can you tell me, help me out, I'm an old guy. I've seen it for in my entire life. Why is it so unstable even today?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: I'd say the central theme of the book … it's a thorough book. I wanted to cover this thoroughly and simplistically, but with simplicity as well. So, thorough but simplistic, so I cover every area. But the premise of the book throughout is that this is not a political crisis. This is spiritual at its root. This is a spiritual issue and the reason that there's so much upheaval and that it's so deeply rooted and so hard to solve, and it goes all the way back to Genesis chapter 16 with Ishmael and the prophecy that the descendants of Ishmael would be like wild donkeys and turning their hand against everyone, and particularly against their brothers. Well, their brothers are the children of Jacob, the children of Israel. So, the promise of the land is through Isaac and Jacob who became Israel. But they're the brothers of Ishmael. Isaac is the brother of Ishmael. So the conflict was prophesied way back in Genesis chapter 16. That's how deep rooted this is. And at the very root, this is a spiritual issue that not only is a family feud but fueled by the real devil, Satan, who was committed to keeping God's plan for the redemption of the world, not just the redemption of it, of the Jewish people, but the redemption of the world from being fulfilled. I think this is a fight for Satan's very life and his authority, his dominion. And in the end, he loses.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: We know that. We know how the story end. So, I guess for now, what would I say to my church on Sunday to help Christians respond properly to what you're describing and what the reality is? How do we respond?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: A couple of things I want to say. And I say this in every interview as long as I have the time to, that God does not love the Jewish people more than he loves the Arab people. He doesn’t love the Israelis more than He loves the Palestinians. He doesn't. He loves us all equally. Our access to salvation, to redemption, is a level playing field. But God in his sovereignty has decreed a land for specific people as an eternal inheritance. And Christians have to align that with God's sovereignty. That’s what He declares in His Word and we either believe the Word or we don't. That's one thing I want to say. It's not a matter of God loving one people above the other, it's about God's sovereignty and plan. I would say this also to all Christians. We have THE answer. We have THE solution. Not a path, not a solution, but THE answer. Sometimes Christians feel helpless, like I don't have anything to offer. I can't really speak into this, but we have the power of prayer, which is mighty for the pulling down of strongholds. When you realize that this is a spiritual conflict, then the only solution as a spiritual solution. It’s prayer, but it's also Proclamation. Those two things I think are the key to peace, to a lasting peace not only in the Middle East but in the world. When people come into a relationship with the God of Israel through the Messiah of Israel, Jesus, Yeshua, the Savior of the world, everything changes. I've seen firsthand when Jew and Arab come into relationship with the Messiah, with the Savior. There's true peace, there's love. There's unity. That's God's peace plan. It's  not an accord. It's not an agreement. It's a person and His name is Jesus.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, will this ever happen? I've got a pretty good understanding of what needs to happen. Do you see it in your lifetime?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: Absolutely. One of the most important aspects of my faith or doctrines is that Jesus is coming back physically in bodily form. He's not coming back in a heavenly form. He's coming back literally and He's not coming back to a new Jerusalem, a heavenly Jerusalem, He’s coming back physically the same way he departed from to the same place. He's coming back to Jerusalem and that necessitates the restoration of Jerusalem back into Jewish hands because he said you won't see me again until you, you men of Israel say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’ He's coming back and He will establish a lasting peace on this earth. The question is when and what is our role in bringing that about? Those are the questions I try to answer in the book. I'm not answering the when by the way. I just know it’s soon. I don't know the date’ I don't place any dates on His return. I think that's futile, a big mistake. But I believe it's going to be soon. I don't know if it's months or years, but we are in the last of the last days and we get to be part of this great final wrap up. It's going to be glorious. I really believe that.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So how does this conflict that continues to brew, how does it affect the European countries and even in the United States?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It affects every nation. Look at 911. We had a glimpse of what Israel endures literally every day. Certainly, the threat that Israel faces in the north and the south internally; the number of terror attacks that Israel has endured. Literally, daily missile attacks launched from Gaza in the south from Hamas. Sadly, Gaza, the whole idea of land for pieces failed and Gaza is nothing more than a staging ground for missile attacks daily against Israel. And then you have a group called Hezbollah. I talk about this group under the control of Iran in the north and they have over 25,000 missiles stockpiled; some of them very sophisticated and very powerful that could hit the major population centers of Israel like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa. They're just waiting for the they're waiting for the order to fire off possibly thousands of these missiles. These are the very real threats that Israel faces every day. And then you have an Iranian leadership that has publicly stated, and they're not kidding, they're not lying, when they develop a nuclear warhead, it will be used against Israel to annihilate Israel.

 

·         Psalm 121:4-7: Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. The Lord is thy keeper: the Lord is thy shade upon thy right hand. The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night. The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul” (KJV).

 

Dr. Steve Greene: What do you do with that in your studies and your biblical knowledge? Does it make you full of faith that you know it won't happen, or does it worry you?

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: It's in the context of the promise that God makes. Two promises that I always keep in mind when I look at the Middle East situation. One, He that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps, always watching over Israel. He’s always watching over the people that He has already ordained to complete their destiny. This is a people with the destiny that God says it's irrevocable and a destiny they will fulfill it at some point some way somehow. I believe that and the second promise is in Jeremiah chapter 31, which I talk about in every book that I've ever written, that as long as the sun shines by day and the moon and stars shine by night, they decree they declare that God is sovereignly preserving the Jewish people as people before him. The anti-Semitism is as old as the calling of Abraham. It goes back to the beginning efforts to destroy the Jewish people.

 

·         Jeremiah 31:35-37: “Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for a light by day
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who stirs up the sea so that the waves roar, the Lord of Hosts is His name: If those ordinances depart from before Me, says the Lord, then the seed of Israel also will cease from being a nation before Me forever. Thus says the Lord: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says the Lord” (MEV)

 

Rabbi Jonathan Bernis: “There is such a terrible history of anti-Semitism. The Holocaust just 80 years ago, but now anti-Semitism is at the highest level since World War II according to the Anti-Defamation League. But God says I will preserve you, despite the efforts to destroy you. I will preserve you as a nation and even though you've disobeyed me, I'm faithful to you. That comforts me. When I look around the state of the Middle East scenario. But I do believe that Israel is susceptible to these attacks; that in the last days there's going to be turmoil and unrest and terrible violence. I believe that that's unavoidable. At the same time, the people of God have the power to invade the heavenlies in prayer, to pull down strongholds. When it says to pray for the peace of Jerusalem in Psalm 122:6, the word is shalom. The word that's translated peace is shalom. The fullness of shalom is to bring to completion. So, I’m praying for God's peace plan to be fulfilled, to be completed through the revelation of the Messiah to Jew and Arab, Israeli and Palestinian alike. That's a powerful, powerful thing to pray. And God answers prayer. Then, sharing our faith with Jews and Palestinians and Muslims. I know so many ex-Muslims; some network terrorist groups that love the Jewish people that now love Israel. It's an amazing thing to witness.

 

·         Psalm 122:6: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: “May they prosper who love you!” (MEV)

 

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