Live Life's Ups and Downs Through Heaven's Lens with Abigail Holt-Jennings

Live Life's Ups and Downs Through Heaven's Lens with Abigail Holt-Jennings

"What is the conversation in Heaven over my situation?"

This is a question Abigail Holt-Jennings learned to ask the Lord after receiving a death sentence of cancer. As a health and wellness leader and former beauty queen with the Miss, Mrs. America and Miss USA organizations, she was shocked with no other options except to believe God's Word.

Listen as Abigal shares her miraculous story to see every situation through the lens of Heaven as told in her book, "The Conversation in Heaven."

38 Minutes • a month ago

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Abigail Jennings

“What is the conversation in Heaven over my situation?” This is a question Abigail Holt-Jennings learned to ask the Lord after receiving a death sentence of cancer. As a health and wellness leader and former beauty queen with the Miss, Mrs. America and Miss USA organizations, she was shocked with no other options except to believe God's Word.

Listen as Abigail shares her miraculous story to see every situation through the lens of Heaven as told in her book, The Conversation in Heaven.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: We've all been seated in a chair at one point in our life where we get bad news. I remember bad news from the principal's office; bad news in various chairs that I sat it in business. Then, I sat in the doctor's office and thought I was going to be OK, but he said something about having a triple bypass. That may have been the worst news I had up to that point in my life. So, it didn't bless my little heart to know that I was going to have to have heart surgery. But you know, we can receive other words from doctors that are much worse. There are words that doctors use when they speak with us that are just not words of life. They might even say words like terminal and death and you don't have much time left. They might use the C word that I don't even want to acknowledge. I hate the word. I don't like to say it. I just hate it with every part of me because I've lost so many people in my life, in my church and several in particular that make me hurt every time I think about it. We have a guest today that's going to change the way we feel about what doctors have to say to us; when they give us those words of death when they speak from the natural.

·         Former Beauty Queen Given Death Sentence with Multiple Cancer Diagnoses

This pastor, Pastor Abigail Holt-Jennings, is going to speak to us in a way that you probably haven't heard it like she's going to tell it. She heard a bad report that I'll let her tell you about it. And, she had a response. That will be the highlight of your day. What she said to that doctor will make your day and maybe even this year for you. It's that powerful. I can't wait for her to tell you that. The name of her book is The Conversation in Heaven: Living Life's Ups and Downs Through Heaven's Lens. Pastor Abigail is obviously a pastor. She's just doing an amazing work as a counselor. She's working with Bethel in the Atlanta area. I could just go on and on about what she's up to. And we'll go on about it as we get this interview started. But first, would you join with me and pray for my guest today, Abigail Holt Jennings.

I been looking forward to our interview, pastor, since I was able to read through a little bit of your book. I haven't read it all, but I read your story and what's happened to you. And frankly, I couldn't get past that. I have so much that I wanted to talk with you about and I just want to start right at the beginning, when you sat in that chair and you received the news from your doctor about the type of cancer that you were afflicted with. Would you tell us that?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: I was diagnosed initially with breast cancer two months after my mom was diagnosed. I had walked her through her surgery, helping her heal. Then I had lost my father to cancer when I was 16; lost grandparents, lost an aunt and cousins, buried my brother six months ago to cancer. It’s really such a such a terrible, terrible disease. I'm going to say it and be bold about it, there is a lie from the pit of hell out there that oh, well, maybe this came on me and God is trying to teach me something. That is the voice of the enemy. The one who conquered disease, the one who bore our sickness and when His flesh, his gorgeous body was ripped open, that every stripe he took … by His stripes we were healed; past tense, we were healed. It’s blasphemous to every drop of blood of Jesus to say such a statement. How can Jesus give something … how can Heaven give us a disease that Jesus's body was ripped open to heal for us, and his life was raised up so that we could walk in that same life?

Dr. Steve Greene: So, we're just beginning this podcast and you're on fire. I love it. They said these things to you and you took care of it. You did what the doctors told you that you needed to do. And then it got worse. You got bad news?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Yes, it came back. It came back after a full mastectomy after going through all that. It came back in in my lungs and my clavicle. My dad died of lung cancer and he was not a smoker. And so, I'm sitting in the oncologist’s office, I've got a few good friends around me. And, he looked at me, the PET scans lighting up like a Christmas tree. And he said, this is what we feared. The cancer has come back it has learned to travel. It is now in your lungs, and your clavicle and we can't get to this. This is terminal. It's inoperable and you will die.

Dr. Steve Greene: That made your day. What great night news.

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Right. But I will never forget sitting there and I gripped the back of my friend Rachel’s sweatshirt. She's a children's pastor at Bethel here and just an amazing friend. I felt that fear, right? How could you not? It was like, and I talked about this my book, but it was like the Grim Reaper. We're standing in the room like, OK, I took your father, I took your ancestors and I'm here to take you to. And so I just sat there feeling tears filling my eyes. But then I felt the nearness of Jesus. He wasn't afraid that the Grim Reaper was in the room. He wasn't afraid. I didn't feel him in any kind of pity or worry or fear. He came in that room. And He came with a question. He asked me just one thing after the oncologist had looked at me and said, what I just told you, you said, Jesus asked me a question. And He said, but who do you say that I am?

Dr. Steve Greene: But you asked the question before that. And I wanted to grab that, what I think one of the most important things that anyone could ask in that doctor's office. You said, what do you say about this, Lord? You heard that from the physician. And in your notes, you wrote directly to Him, what do you think about this, Lord? And that’s when you got your answer?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Yes, that's exactly right. His answer to me was the same question, and we all know it, that he asked Peter. Jesus knew exactly what he was doing for his disciples. He wanted them to see Him as he truly, truly was, and is in our life. And of course, we know that Peter said, when he said, Well, who do you say I am? And they said, Well, you know, some are saying your are Elijah, some are saying …  He wasn't even concerned about that. He said, But Peter, who do you think that I am? Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus said, flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in Heaven. And it is on this revealing …. the church was built on Peter. No, it was built on the revelation that Peter had received. Flesh and blood is not but my Father in heaven, you are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And when we can live our life on that same revelation, then it changes everything. It was so comforting the way he asked that question to me If Jesus … and I say this in my book, if Jesus is too busy making intercession for us to be accusing us, to be worried … He’s not walking back and forth in Heaven with his hands ringing. He's not worried. He ever lives to make intercession for the saints.

·         Matthew 16:15-16:He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (MEV).

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, pastor, Jesus asked you the question in your heart in that physician’s office, who do you say I am? Did you shout out, You are my healer?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: It's like it didn't need shouting. His presence was so real in that room. I am so intimately acquainted with Him that it immediately caused those tears to leave my eyes. I straightened up. And the next thought I had was, this is going to be a great line in my book one day. So that's how me and my girlfriends went out, laughing out of the hospital.

Dr. Steve Greene: We're great friends you have that would allow you that celebration, and celebrate with you and know that it was going to be okay. We've all dealt with it, you deal with it at Bethel. You've all seen the other side of it when there is no healing. But you had a special gift in that moment of knowing that you were healed. Let's talk about something. I want to add a little seasoning to this story because we haven't spoken of it. You're just not an average woman sitting there hearing this news. You were, for lack of a better word here, a beauty queen, a Miss America, a Miss Universe, Miss whole wide world. You've done a whole lot of stuff in those competitions. So, this is not easy news to know that you're going to have to be cut on and have surgery. So, you had to deal with it in a very fleshy way. You had to consider the fact that you had to go through this stuff. Speak to women right now and tell them about how your inner beauty and your external beauty do work together.

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Absolutely, because you're right that I remember coming home from the hospital and having both my breasts removed. That’s about as female as it gets for a woman. I remember sitting there, and it's important … I do counseling, and I think something the Bible says, blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted. I think we make a real mistake. We believe in the lie that if we're strong enough, we're not going to feel. Jesus wept. Jesus wept over Jerusalem. He wept at Lazarus death. There are times where we need to mourn. I had to sit there and mourn and grieve that those two female parts were now gone from my body. And I'm going to tell you something, the Holy Spirit is the greatest comforter that we will ever know. But, here's the thing about us as believers. We never grieve without hope. We always grieve with hope in the room. Heaven can grieve with us, but there's always hope attached to that morning or that grieving. But we mustn't make the mistake that we need to not grieve because it's very important to grieve. Blessed are they who mourn for they will be comforted. There's actually a blessing in it. But on the other side of that grief … the Israelites did the same thing when they were living to captivity. The Bible says they hung their harps on the willow tree. Their harp signified their joy, their happiness, their dreams. But they hung their harps on the willow trees. But here's what happens later. When the Lord were restored the captivity of Zion, we were as those who did what? We dreamed. We were as those who dreamed.

Connect with Abigail Holt-Jennings

·         Girlofhope.com

·         Facebook

·         Instagram

·         Email

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Abigail Jennings

“What is the conversation in Heaven over my situation?” This is a question Abigail Holt-Jennings learned to ask the Lord after receiving a death sentence of cancer. As a health and wellness leader and former beauty queen with the Miss, Mrs. America and Miss USA organizations, she was shocked with no other options except to believe God's Word.

Listen as Abigail shares her miraculous story to see every situation through the lens of Heaven as told in her book, The Conversation in Heaven.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: We've all been seated in a chair at one point in our life where we get bad news. I remember bad news from the principal's office; bad news in various chairs that I sat it in business. Then, I sat in the doctor's office and thought I was going to be OK, but he said something about having a triple bypass. That may have been the worst news I had up to that point in my life. So, it didn't bless my little heart to know that I was going to have to have heart surgery. But you know, we can receive other words from doctors that are much worse. There are words that doctors use when they speak with us that are just not words of life. They might even say words like terminal and death and you don't have much time left. They might use the C word that I don't even want to acknowledge. I hate the word. I don't like to say it. I just hate it with every part of me because I've lost so many people in my life, in my church and several in particular that make me hurt every time I think about it. We have a guest today that's going to change the way we feel about what doctors have to say to us; when they give us those words of death when they speak from the natural.

·         Former Beauty Queen Given Death Sentence with Multiple Cancer Diagnoses

This pastor, Pastor Abigail Holt-Jennings, is going to speak to us in a way that you probably haven't heard it like she's going to tell it. She heard a bad report that I'll let her tell you about it. And, she had a response. That will be the highlight of your day. What she said to that doctor will make your day and maybe even this year for you. It's that powerful. I can't wait for her to tell you that. The name of her book is The Conversation in Heaven: Living Life's Ups and Downs Through Heaven's Lens. Pastor Abigail is obviously a pastor. She's just doing an amazing work as a counselor. She's working with Bethel in the Atlanta area. I could just go on and on about what she's up to. And we'll go on about it as we get this interview started. But first, would you join with me and pray for my guest today, Abigail Holt Jennings.

I been looking forward to our interview, pastor, since I was able to read through a little bit of your book. I haven't read it all, but I read your story and what's happened to you. And frankly, I couldn't get past that. I have so much that I wanted to talk with you about and I just want to start right at the beginning, when you sat in that chair and you received the news from your doctor about the type of cancer that you were afflicted with. Would you tell us that?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: I was diagnosed initially with breast cancer two months after my mom was diagnosed. I had walked her through her surgery, helping her heal. Then I had lost my father to cancer when I was 16; lost grandparents, lost an aunt and cousins, buried my brother six months ago to cancer. It’s really such a such a terrible, terrible disease. I'm going to say it and be bold about it, there is a lie from the pit of hell out there that oh, well, maybe this came on me and God is trying to teach me something. That is the voice of the enemy. The one who conquered disease, the one who bore our sickness and when His flesh, his gorgeous body was ripped open, that every stripe he took … by His stripes we were healed; past tense, we were healed. It’s blasphemous to every drop of blood of Jesus to say such a statement. How can Jesus give something … how can Heaven give us a disease that Jesus's body was ripped open to heal for us, and his life was raised up so that we could walk in that same life?

Dr. Steve Greene: So, we're just beginning this podcast and you're on fire. I love it. They said these things to you and you took care of it. You did what the doctors told you that you needed to do. And then it got worse. You got bad news?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Yes, it came back. It came back after a full mastectomy after going through all that. It came back in in my lungs and my clavicle. My dad died of lung cancer and he was not a smoker. And so, I'm sitting in the oncologist’s office, I've got a few good friends around me. And, he looked at me, the PET scans lighting up like a Christmas tree. And he said, this is what we feared. The cancer has come back it has learned to travel. It is now in your lungs, and your clavicle and we can't get to this. This is terminal. It's inoperable and you will die.

Dr. Steve Greene: That made your day. What great night news.

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Right. But I will never forget sitting there and I gripped the back of my friend Rachel’s sweatshirt. She's a children's pastor at Bethel here and just an amazing friend. I felt that fear, right? How could you not? It was like, and I talked about this my book, but it was like the Grim Reaper. We're standing in the room like, OK, I took your father, I took your ancestors and I'm here to take you to. And so I just sat there feeling tears filling my eyes. But then I felt the nearness of Jesus. He wasn't afraid that the Grim Reaper was in the room. He wasn't afraid. I didn't feel him in any kind of pity or worry or fear. He came in that room. And He came with a question. He asked me just one thing after the oncologist had looked at me and said, what I just told you, you said, Jesus asked me a question. And He said, but who do you say that I am?

Dr. Steve Greene: But you asked the question before that. And I wanted to grab that, what I think one of the most important things that anyone could ask in that doctor's office. You said, what do you say about this, Lord? You heard that from the physician. And in your notes, you wrote directly to Him, what do you think about this, Lord? And that’s when you got your answer?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Yes, that's exactly right. His answer to me was the same question, and we all know it, that he asked Peter. Jesus knew exactly what he was doing for his disciples. He wanted them to see Him as he truly, truly was, and is in our life. And of course, we know that Peter said, when he said, Well, who do you say I am? And they said, Well, you know, some are saying your are Elijah, some are saying …  He wasn't even concerned about that. He said, But Peter, who do you think that I am? Peter said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus said, flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in Heaven. And it is on this revealing …. the church was built on Peter. No, it was built on the revelation that Peter had received. Flesh and blood is not but my Father in heaven, you are the Christ, the Son of the living God. And when we can live our life on that same revelation, then it changes everything. It was so comforting the way he asked that question to me If Jesus … and I say this in my book, if Jesus is too busy making intercession for us to be accusing us, to be worried … He’s not walking back and forth in Heaven with his hands ringing. He's not worried. He ever lives to make intercession for the saints.

·         Matthew 16:15-16:He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God” (MEV).

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, pastor, Jesus asked you the question in your heart in that physician’s office, who do you say I am? Did you shout out, You are my healer?

Abigail Holt-Jennings: It's like it didn't need shouting. His presence was so real in that room. I am so intimately acquainted with Him that it immediately caused those tears to leave my eyes. I straightened up. And the next thought I had was, this is going to be a great line in my book one day. So that's how me and my girlfriends went out, laughing out of the hospital.

Dr. Steve Greene: We're great friends you have that would allow you that celebration, and celebrate with you and know that it was going to be okay. We've all dealt with it, you deal with it at Bethel. You've all seen the other side of it when there is no healing. But you had a special gift in that moment of knowing that you were healed. Let's talk about something. I want to add a little seasoning to this story because we haven't spoken of it. You're just not an average woman sitting there hearing this news. You were, for lack of a better word here, a beauty queen, a Miss America, a Miss Universe, Miss whole wide world. You've done a whole lot of stuff in those competitions. So, this is not easy news to know that you're going to have to be cut on and have surgery. So, you had to deal with it in a very fleshy way. You had to consider the fact that you had to go through this stuff. Speak to women right now and tell them about how your inner beauty and your external beauty do work together.

Abigail Holt-Jennings: Absolutely, because you're right that I remember coming home from the hospital and having both my breasts removed. That’s about as female as it gets for a woman. I remember sitting there, and it's important … I do counseling, and I think something the Bible says, blessed are they who mourn, for they will be comforted. I think we make a real mistake. We believe in the lie that if we're strong enough, we're not going to feel. Jesus wept. Jesus wept over Jerusalem. He wept at Lazarus death. There are times where we need to mourn. I had to sit there and mourn and grieve that those two female parts were now gone from my body. And I'm going to tell you something, the Holy Spirit is the greatest comforter that we will ever know. But, here's the thing about us as believers. We never grieve without hope. We always grieve with hope in the room. Heaven can grieve with us, but there's always hope attached to that morning or that grieving. But we mustn't make the mistake that we need to not grieve because it's very important to grieve. Blessed are they who mourn for they will be comforted. There's actually a blessing in it. But on the other side of that grief … the Israelites did the same thing when they were living to captivity. The Bible says they hung their harps on the willow tree. Their harp signified their joy, their happiness, their dreams. But they hung their harps on the willow trees. But here's what happens later. When the Lord were restored the captivity of Zion, we were as those who did what? We dreamed. We were as those who dreamed.

Connect with Abigail Holt-Jennings

·         Girlofhope.com

·         Facebook

·         Instagram

·         Email

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

15

0:00/38:53

Live Life's Ups and Downs Through Heaven's Lens with Abigail Holt-Jennings