Storytelling with the Holy Spirit

Storytelling with the Holy Spirit

"Your story is your sword," says Dr. Mark Virkler as he explains in this episode of Greenelines how you can become a storyteller to teach the Bible. Learn the four keys to hearing God's voice. Listen to find out why this theologian became a storyteller.

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Mark Virkler

“Your story is your sword,” says Dr. Mark Virkler as he explains in this episode of Greenelines how you can become a storyteller to teach the Bible. Learn the four keys to hearing God's voice. Listen to find out why this theologian became a storyteller.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: This is the Greenelines podcast. I'm Steve Greene on the Charisma Podcast Network. I'd like to tell you about a series that's available to you now through Charisma. Many of you have seen bits and pieces of maybe one of these books, The Deborah AnointingThe Esther AnointingThe Anna Anointing, and The Ruth Anointing, plus a free bonus all in the Solid Rock Series. You're going to get all four anointing books by Michelle McClain-Walters, plus a Charisma subscription and to Life in the Spirit devotions for only $36. I want to say that part of it again. You're going to get all four of those anointing books by Michelle McClain Walters. Plus, you'll receive a Charisma subscription, a subscription to Charisma magazine, and then you'll get two Life in a Spirit devotionals for only $36. Now, you can find this at charismamag.com/anoint. Or, you can just look right here, down below this podcast in the show notes and you'll see the link to charismamag.com/anoint. I know you'll love these books, and I know you'll love the free bonuses and a subscription to Charisma magazine. Now let's get to the show.

 

Dr. Mark Virkler on Charisma

·         4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

·         Prayers That Heal the Heart

·         Is Chiropractic Care Demonic?

·         Why We Need to Stop Fighting Over the Rapture, Hell and Beards

·         Why Speaking Biblical Blessings Aloud is a Powerful, Prophetic Act

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I would like you to meet Dr. Mark Virkler here in the studio with me. It's not very often that I get guests in the studio. I'm excited to welcome Dr. Mark Virkler, who is going to be leading us through a discussion of narrative theology. I can't wait to do it because I'm big on story. I love to tell a story. I like to hear a story. I'm a big fan of the Moth, which is a not-for- profit storytelling organization. I don't know what we're going to get into today with Dr. Mark, but I'm so glad to welcome Dr. Mark Virkler to the studio. Once you see something in print, you just can't get it out of your mind. You keep wondering if you're doing it right. So, Dr. Virkler, tell me a little bit about how you got into storytelling. What word did the Lord show you that storytelling is the way forward?

Some of Dr. Mark Virkler Books

·         4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

·         Hearing God Through Your Dreams: Understanding the Language God Speaks at Night

·         Unleashing Healing Power Through Spirit-Born Emotions: Experiencing God Through Kingdom Emotions

·         Hearing God: For Intimacy, Healing, Creativity, Meditation and Dream Interpretation

·         Hearing God Through Biblical Meditation: Unlocking Fresh Revelation Daily

 

Dr. Mark Virkler: I was in Bible college. I got saved at a very conservative fundamentalist Baptist Church. I went to a college that was very evangelical and very anti-charismatic. That fit me perfectly because, as a theologian, I'd built a theology saying this role of the Spirit was not for today. I liked the term theologian, I'm a left-brain thinker. I prefer that even though it's not a biblical word, theologian. The closest word is doctrine. That's an end sound doctrine. That only shows up 15-20 times, and half the time it's man's doctrine. So, half the time it's bad and half the time it's good. So, it's a little risky to say I'm a theologian because it's I'm saying something that's not even mentioned in the Bible. … That’s exactly what I was. I was part of the Sanhedrin and very egotistical, very convinced I'm right and everybody else is wrong. I was very convinced that if you speak in tongues, you're wrong. So, this fine lady, my fiancé, Patty, in my second year college, she's a student teacher. There was a lady that she's teaching under who's a sweet lady, charismatic, spirit-filled lady, OK? And she invites us out for a meal at her house. She cooks beautiful meals and she's a very friendly lady and she starts telling stories over the meal time. Here's one of the stories she told us which impacted my life greatly. She said her family used to all get sick during the wintertime and go to the hospital two or three times every winter. Now that she’s begun praying for healing for them, no one's had to go to the hospital, period, for the last two to three years. I'm sitting there scratching my head saying, well, that doesn't line up with my theology. Here's a story that's in direct contrast with what I believe.

Dr. Steve Greene: You’ve just got to hate it when that happens.

 

Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

1.      Quiet yourself down.

2.      Fix your eyes on Jesus and pray Ephesians 1:17-18.

3.      Recognize God's voice as spontaneous flowing thoughts that light upon your mind.

4.      Inscribe the vision. Write it down.

 

Dr. Mark Virkler: Well, yeah, because you have to change things. Then you can do one of two things. If God's given you a love for the truth, and you honor that, then you can go pursue it and see if you can work it out. Some of the Pharisees in that day, Jesus said they didn't have a love for the truth. So, when they heard the story that Lazarus was risen from the dead, they just wanted to kill him again. You know, kill the story. You know, don't honor the story. This story is going to have no impact because I'm going to change it. So, people respond differently to stories. You know, those who love the truth will let a story speak to them because they honor the story. Those who don’t love the truth will dishonor the story. So, it was just part of cultism anyway. So, I honored the story because she was friendly, and she's feeding me. So, I began to explore a scripture a second time. By the time I was done, Derek Prince had taught me, OK, there's a place for miracles, a place for tongues, a place for healing. I turned charismatic over the next year of my life because a lady loved me, fed me a meal and told me a story.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you developed a life of narrative theology. This was many years ago when this happened to you, and your life has been building line upon line, here a little, there a little, developing story. When I hear narrative theology, it sounds complicated, it sounds like systematic theology. When we're talking about narrative theology, dumb it down for us and explain it to us.

Dr. Mark Virkler: Narrative theology is just learning about God through the format of story, as opposed to the format of an outline. And early in my Christian life I used to, when I preached, I would preach outlines. Here's my 10 points here, my five points people go to sleep, of course. Nobody wants an outline, because my life is not an outline, your life is not an outline. Life is not an outline, it's a story. So, if I can become a storyteller, then it resonates with a person’s life because that's what their life is. It's a story.

Dr. Steve Greene: You came up with a concept, the four keys to hearing God's voice, which in itself begins the story. The beginning of the story is God's voice.

Dr. Mark Virkler: Absolutely it is, and it's a story to tell just how that happened because I'd wanted to hear God's voice from the day I got saved. I would go to people and ask them, how do you hear God's voice? The first group said, well, He quit talking and I said, no, no, no. The second group said, you just know that you know that you know. I said, no, I don't know. Why do you think I'm here asking you? So, I'm having zero luck getting an answer. So, my story is traumatizing because I do a 40-day fast and I still can't hear a voice. I read the whole Bible and I still can't hear voice. I'm listening for a booming bass voice and there's no booming bass voice. There's no one who can explain to me, hey, God's voice sounds like spontaneous thoughts that light up on your mind when your eyes are fixed on Jesus. No one could say a sentence like that. I'd love everyone to memorize it and tell everybody about it so they don't have to go through 10 years of pain like me. God's voice sounds like spontaneous flowing thoughts that light up on your mind while your eyes are fixed on Jesus. King David said I've set the Lord at my right hand. So, he's picturing the Lord right here next to him, and that's what I do. I picture Jesus here next to me, I smile and say, hey, you got some ideas here? I tune into flowing thoughts because the Bible says out of my innermost being shall flow rivers of living water. This He spoke with the Spirit. So, if I want to hear the voice of the Spirit, if I want to walk in the Spirit, if I want to living the Spirit, I've gotta live in flow because the spirit is sensed within as a flow. So, flowing thoughts are the Spirit’s voice. Flowing pictures are his vision, flowing emotions are God's kingdom emotions, and I need to learn to honor flow and not just honor analytical thinking.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you came up with four keys?

Dr. Mark Virkler: The four keys and you do have access. Habakkuk did it and John did it in Revelation. You quiet yourself down. Habakkuk said I'm going to my guideposts. Quiet yourself down, number one. I'm going to keep watch to see. So, key number two is take the eyes of your heart, pray the prayer that Paul prayed … I pray that the eyes of your heart would be enlightened. Holy Spirit, would you give me a picture here? Begin by fixing your eyes on Jesus. So, key number two is look in the spirit realm with the eyes of your heart. Jesus is right here next to you. See Him there. Use godly imagination and picture what the Bible says is true. It’s better than pitching nobody there because that's a lie. It's better than picturing lust. It's better than picturing fear. It's better picturing anything else. You're going to picture something; you might just as well picture what the Bible says is true because we can call that godly imagination. So, that’s key number two, fix your eyes on Jesus and pray Ephesians 1:17-18. I pray that the eyes of my heart would be enlightened. Holy Spirit, take it over.

 

·         Ephesians 1:17-18: “… so that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, that the eyes of your understanding may be enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of His calling and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance among the saints.” (MEV)

 

The scene comes alive. Jesus comes alive in your mind's eye. So, now it's beyond godly imagination because when it comes alive, and he begins to flow, well, now you just stepped into a vision. You stepped from a godly imagination to vision. Key number three, recognize God's voice as spontaneous flowing thoughts that light upon your mind. We already quoted the verse out of your innermost being shall flow. I did not have a theology for flow. I had a theology for research and logic. I even had a verse, study to show yourself approved to work. It’s a mistranslation of the Greek because the New King James doesn't even say you study, it says be diligent to present yourself under God. There is no other command in the whole Bible to study it. The command is meditate, which is to picture; to imagine, to pray over it, to ponder. So, I gave a study and I replaced it with biblical meditation. There are 60-some examples of meditate or meditation in the Hebrew and Greek. I looked them all up and said, oh, wow, look, it means imagine. That means I'm going to enter a storm and enter a picture and I'm going to see a story. That's completely different than the way a left-brainer approaches the Bible. So, key number three was to learn to tune to flowing thoughts. And then key number four is God said to Habbakuk, inscribe the vision. Write it down. When this flow kicks in, you just start writing or you start typing or you start talking or whatever your modality is. Recapture the flow, and you've got a gift from heaven. Handel's Messiah. Hallelujah, Hallelujah. I mean, he captured it. He heard the music in heaven. He said he could see himself in the throne room. He heard the worship there. He put it on paper, and that was his modality … what, a 350-page script in 21 days because he's inflow writing from flow, and it is gold, and we still love it today.

 

Connect with Dr. Mark Virkler

·         At cwgministries.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

·         On YouTube

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Mark Virkler

“Your story is your sword,” says Dr. Mark Virkler as he explains in this episode of Greenelines how you can become a storyteller to teach the Bible. Learn the four keys to hearing God's voice. Listen to find out why this theologian became a storyteller.

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: This is the Greenelines podcast. I'm Steve Greene on the Charisma Podcast Network. I'd like to tell you about a series that's available to you now through Charisma. Many of you have seen bits and pieces of maybe one of these books, The Deborah AnointingThe Esther AnointingThe Anna Anointing, and The Ruth Anointing, plus a free bonus all in the Solid Rock Series. You're going to get all four anointing books by Michelle McClain-Walters, plus a Charisma subscription and to Life in the Spirit devotions for only $36. I want to say that part of it again. You're going to get all four of those anointing books by Michelle McClain Walters. Plus, you'll receive a Charisma subscription, a subscription to Charisma magazine, and then you'll get two Life in a Spirit devotionals for only $36. Now, you can find this at charismamag.com/anoint. Or, you can just look right here, down below this podcast in the show notes and you'll see the link to charismamag.com/anoint. I know you'll love these books, and I know you'll love the free bonuses and a subscription to Charisma magazine. Now let's get to the show.

 

Dr. Mark Virkler on Charisma

·         4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

·         Prayers That Heal the Heart

·         Is Chiropractic Care Demonic?

·         Why We Need to Stop Fighting Over the Rapture, Hell and Beards

·         Why Speaking Biblical Blessings Aloud is a Powerful, Prophetic Act

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I would like you to meet Dr. Mark Virkler here in the studio with me. It's not very often that I get guests in the studio. I'm excited to welcome Dr. Mark Virkler, who is going to be leading us through a discussion of narrative theology. I can't wait to do it because I'm big on story. I love to tell a story. I like to hear a story. I'm a big fan of the Moth, which is a not-for- profit storytelling organization. I don't know what we're going to get into today with Dr. Mark, but I'm so glad to welcome Dr. Mark Virkler to the studio. Once you see something in print, you just can't get it out of your mind. You keep wondering if you're doing it right. So, Dr. Virkler, tell me a little bit about how you got into storytelling. What word did the Lord show you that storytelling is the way forward?

Some of Dr. Mark Virkler Books

·         4 Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

·         Hearing God Through Your Dreams: Understanding the Language God Speaks at Night

·         Unleashing Healing Power Through Spirit-Born Emotions: Experiencing God Through Kingdom Emotions

·         Hearing God: For Intimacy, Healing, Creativity, Meditation and Dream Interpretation

·         Hearing God Through Biblical Meditation: Unlocking Fresh Revelation Daily

 

Dr. Mark Virkler: I was in Bible college. I got saved at a very conservative fundamentalist Baptist Church. I went to a college that was very evangelical and very anti-charismatic. That fit me perfectly because, as a theologian, I'd built a theology saying this role of the Spirit was not for today. I liked the term theologian, I'm a left-brain thinker. I prefer that even though it's not a biblical word, theologian. The closest word is doctrine. That's an end sound doctrine. That only shows up 15-20 times, and half the time it's man's doctrine. So, half the time it's bad and half the time it's good. So, it's a little risky to say I'm a theologian because it's I'm saying something that's not even mentioned in the Bible. … That’s exactly what I was. I was part of the Sanhedrin and very egotistical, very convinced I'm right and everybody else is wrong. I was very convinced that if you speak in tongues, you're wrong. So, this fine lady, my fiancé, Patty, in my second year college, she's a student teacher. There was a lady that she's teaching under who's a sweet lady, charismatic, spirit-filled lady, OK? And she invites us out for a meal at her house. She cooks beautiful meals and she's a very friendly lady and she starts telling stories over the meal time. Here's one of the stories she told us which impacted my life greatly. She said her family used to all get sick during the wintertime and go to the hospital two or three times every winter. Now that she’s begun praying for healing for them, no one's had to go to the hospital, period, for the last two to three years. I'm sitting there scratching my head saying, well, that doesn't line up with my theology. Here's a story that's in direct contrast with what I believe.

Dr. Steve Greene: You’ve just got to hate it when that happens.

 

Keys to Hearing God’s Voice

1.      Quiet yourself down.

2.      Fix your eyes on Jesus and pray Ephesians 1:17-18.

3.      Recognize God's voice as spontaneous flowing thoughts that light upon your mind.

4.      Inscribe the vision. Write it down.

 

Dr. Mark Virkler: Well, yeah, because you have to change things. Then you can do one of two things. If God's given you a love for the truth, and you honor that, then you can go pursue it and see if you can work it out. Some of the Pharisees in that day, Jesus said they didn't have a love for the truth. So, when they heard the story that Lazarus was risen from the dead, they just wanted to kill him again. You know, kill the story. You know, don't honor the story. This story is going to have no impact because I'm going to change it. So, people respond differently to stories. You know, those who love the truth will let a story speak to them because they honor the story. Those who don’t love the truth will dishonor the story. So, it was just part of cultism anyway. So, I honored the story because she was friendly, and she's feeding me. So, I began to explore a scripture a second time. By the time I was done, Derek Prince had taught me, OK, there's a place for miracles, a place for tongues, a place for healing. I turned charismatic over the next year of my life because a lady loved me, fed me a meal and told me a story.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you developed a life of narrative theology. This was many years ago when this happened to you, and your life has been building line upon line, here a little, there a little, developing story. When I hear narrative theology, it sounds complicated, it sounds like systematic theology. When we're talking about narrative theology, dumb it down for us and explain it to us.

Dr. Mark Virkler: Narrative theology is just learning about God through the format of story, as opposed to the format of an outline. And early in my Christian life I used to, when I preached, I would preach outlines. Here's my 10 points here, my five points people go to sleep, of course. Nobody wants an outline, because my life is not an outline, your life is not an outline. Life is not an outline, it's a story. So, if I can become a storyteller, then it resonates with a person’s life because that's what their life is. It's a story.

Dr. Steve Greene: You came up with a concept, the four keys to hearing God's voice, which in itself begins the story. The beginning of the story is God's voice.

Dr. Mark Virkler: Absolutely it is, and it's a story to tell just how that happened because I'd wanted to hear God's voice from the day I got saved. I would go to people and ask them, how do you hear God's voice? The first group said, well, He quit talking and I said, no, no, no. The second group said, you just know that you know that you know. I said, no, I don't know. Why do you think I'm here asking you? So, I'm having zero luck getting an answer. So, my story is traumatizing because I do a 40-day fast and I still can't hear a voice. I read the whole Bible and I still can't hear voice. I'm listening for a booming bass voice and there's no booming bass voice. There's no one who can explain to me, hey, God's voice sounds like spontaneous thoughts that light up on your mind when your eyes are fixed on Jesus. No one could say a sentence like that. I'd love everyone to memorize it and tell everybody about it so they don't have to go through 10 years of pain like me. God's voice sounds like spontaneous flowing thoughts that light up on your mind while your eyes are fixed on Jesus. King David said I've set the Lord at my right hand. So, he's picturing the Lord right here next to him, and that's what I do. I picture Jesus here next to me, I smile and say, hey, you got some ideas here? I tune into flowing thoughts because the Bible says out of my innermost being shall flow rivers of living water. This He spoke with the Spirit. So, if I want to hear the voice of the Spirit, if I want to walk in the Spirit, if I want to living the Spirit, I've gotta live in flow because the spirit is sensed within as a flow. So, flowing thoughts are the Spirit’s voice. Flowing pictures are his vision, flowing emotions are God's kingdom emotions, and I need to learn to honor flow and not just honor analytical thinking.

Dr. Steve Greene: So, you came up with four keys?

Dr. Mark Virkler: The four keys and you do have access. Habakkuk did it and John did it in Revelation. You quiet yourself down. Habakkuk said I'm going to my guideposts. Quiet yourself down, number one. I'm going to keep watch to see. So, key number two is take the eyes of your heart, pray the prayer that Paul prayed … I pray that the eyes of your heart would be enlightened. Holy Spirit, would you give me a picture here? Begin by fixing your eyes on Jesus. So, key number two is look in the spirit realm with the eyes of your heart. Jesus is right here next to you. See Him there. Use godly imagination and picture what the Bible says is true. It’s better than pitching nobody there because that's a lie. It's better than picturing lust. It's better than picturing fear. It's better picturing anything else. You're going to picture something; you might just as well picture what the Bible says is true because we can call that godly imagination. So, that’s key number two, fix your eyes on Jesus and pray Ephesians 1:17-18. I pray that the eyes of my heart would be enlightened. Holy Spirit, take it over.

 

·         Ephesians 1:17-18: “… so that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, that the eyes of your understanding may be enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of His calling and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance among the saints.” (MEV)

 

The scene comes alive. Jesus comes alive in your mind's eye. So, now it's beyond godly imagination because when it comes alive, and he begins to flow, well, now you just stepped into a vision. You stepped from a godly imagination to vision. Key number three, recognize God's voice as spontaneous flowing thoughts that light upon your mind. We already quoted the verse out of your innermost being shall flow. I did not have a theology for flow. I had a theology for research and logic. I even had a verse, study to show yourself approved to work. It’s a mistranslation of the Greek because the New King James doesn't even say you study, it says be diligent to present yourself under God. There is no other command in the whole Bible to study it. The command is meditate, which is to picture; to imagine, to pray over it, to ponder. So, I gave a study and I replaced it with biblical meditation. There are 60-some examples of meditate or meditation in the Hebrew and Greek. I looked them all up and said, oh, wow, look, it means imagine. That means I'm going to enter a storm and enter a picture and I'm going to see a story. That's completely different than the way a left-brainer approaches the Bible. So, key number three was to learn to tune to flowing thoughts. And then key number four is God said to Habbakuk, inscribe the vision. Write it down. When this flow kicks in, you just start writing or you start typing or you start talking or whatever your modality is. Recapture the flow, and you've got a gift from heaven. Handel's Messiah. Hallelujah, Hallelujah. I mean, he captured it. He heard the music in heaven. He said he could see himself in the throne room. He heard the worship there. He put it on paper, and that was his modality … what, a 350-page script in 21 days because he's inflow writing from flow, and it is gold, and we still love it today.

 

Connect with Dr. Mark Virkler

·         At cwgministries.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

·         On YouTube

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

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