The Conquer Series with Luke Gibbons

The Conquer Series with Luke Gibbons

If you are in a battle with pornography, you will find answers in this podcast. Luke Gibbons of KingdomWorks shares his story and what you can do to overcome. Listen now.

29 Minutes • 3 months ago

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Luke Gibbons

 

If you are in a battle with pornography, you will find answers in this podcast. Luke Gibbons of KingdomWorks shares his story and what you can do to overcome.

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: I'm excited to share with you a little bit different show today, a show that's going to meet huge need; a need that over 68 percent of church men deal with. So, when I say that number most of you probably know where I'm going. Two out of three church going men view porn on a regular basis. Before that shocks you, breaks your heart, let me tell you that this show is going to be a show about an answer not about the problem. We could talk about the problem a little bit, set the stage, but I want you to know also that this podcast is for women. In my experience as a pastor, I know that women are as hurt by this … I'm going to call it a disease if you'll allow me that stretch. I know that women are affected by it in a much greater way sometimes than men because they're hurt deep in their spirit about it, as though the man had had an affair, if I could use that language. They feel threatened by it, they feel challenged by it. And they're looking for help. My guest today, we're gonna be able to talk with him about what they're doing and working on products and solutions for women as well. I just want to say to you, let's use this podcast to raise our knowledge about the issue and what is available out there for an answer. We may think that this is a moral problem. It may start that way. But it's quickly becoming more than that. It's a problem with the chemistry of our brain and the way that it's made up. There are certainly entry level drugs that seem to be harmless, that lead people into a life of drug addiction. There's just nothing that a man can do like trying harder, praying harder, going to church more often that will help break that cycle. What we want to do is break the cycle all the way down to its roots and help our younger generation.

 

·         Romans 12: 2: Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will” (MEV).

 

Paul pretty well was clear about it. In Romans 12, he talks about the renewal of our mind; that's what has to happen. It's not a one-time event, people want to come in, take a pill and be cured. We're a pill taking generation, right? This thing is more serious than that and it has a bigger claw that sticks pretty deep in our brain. I want to introduce you to the Conquer Series, to conquer this addiction, to conquer the problem and lay out a battle plan, a true path to purity, to help men renew their minds through a biblical process, not just a condemnation. We certainly would lay hands on the sick, we would pray for them. But there's work that has to be done in a process to wellness. I've got a quote here from Pastor Daniel Walsh. “It's been amazing to see men who have already overcome drug addictions start to overcome their porn addictions because of this great series, this Conquer Series. The light bulb moments have left me in tears as they take the step to release themselves from this bondage that has overtaken their lives. So, this Conquer Series includes real, proven strategies for freedom. I just want to say that to you, again: proven strategies for freedom from a porn addiction. It almost sounds dirty to say the word, doesn't it? But what's dirty is burying it, hiding it in the closet and pretending it doesn't exist. That's dirty. What the Lord loves to do is to shed light, to put light on a problem such as this in a way that reveals it for what it is. It's a problem. And it takes a series of steps to get through it. So, The Conquer Series does it through a 12-disc DVD series that we're going to talk about. I want to learn about it from our guest. At this point, I just want to introduce someone who really knows a lot about it. He's our friend here at Charisma, we believe in him and in the Conquer Series so much that we’ve invited him back to our show. Luke Gibbons, welcome back to the green lines podcast.

 

I guess one of the questions I've always had is how do Christians get themselves into this mess? They don't go looking for trouble, trouble finds them. They might see something on their phone one day that's intriguing in sort of a not so good way. They look at it, they jump into it, and the next thing they know struggling with addiction. Tell me about that, Luke.

 

Luke Gibbons: For a lot of people that happens from a very early age. Myself, I grew up in a Christian home, but we didn't really talk about sex and that often happens in Evangelical homes. It's not necessarily something that's talked about a lot and it's kind of swept under the rug. I grew up and found pornography online and it just got deeper and deeper for me. It really took me into a spiraling addiction that lasted 10 years, from right from when I was in high school through to university and then to working full time. Sometimes I'd be up all night viewing and then going to work on an hour sleep. So, it had me in the grips of it. I knew that God didn't want me in that space. I knew in my heart he wanted me to break out of it. Each time I thought, you know what, I'm never going to do this again. God, I'm sorry, please forgive me and I went through that pattern of cycle, thinking that I've confessed this to you, God, I don't need to do anything else. But the reality was what I needed was James 5. I needed to confess my sins to my brothers so that they could pray for me and so that I could find healing. That was the first step. But I also needed it a discipleship ship that was going to teach me the reality of what God's plan for us in is sexuality and in finding freedom and then stepping forward into what He really has for us. So, it was it was a transformational process. I'm grateful today that there's something like the Conquer Series that really helps God through that process.

 

The Conquer Series on Charisma News

 

·         How to Conquer the Porn Epidemic in the Church

·         Men Around the World are Giving Up Porn, and It’s Because of This …

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, before we get to that here, I could back up. I don't want to bore folks with facts, because I think your story is a classic indicator of what happens to people. But there's a couple of numbers that really are staggering, and that's probably half of our families deal with pornography. At least half of our Christian household families deal with it. Right now.

 

Luke Gibbons: Yeah, absolutely. In the statistics that we now have this 68 percent of church-going men who view pornography on a regular basis, we know that women also struggle with pornography, and that's growing as well. And we know that families are really grappling with this. I think it is over 70 percent of teens and children hide the online behavior from their parents. There's so much going on in this and what we're desperate for is some way to educate ourselves and to educate our families and really work through a process that that helps people understand that we're not trying to condemn, but we're trying to work through this, understanding that it's something that so much of the church is really enslaved in at the moment.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I know that women have gotten more involved in it. Younger and younger children are coming into it. Is this mainly because of the availability of technology through the phone through laptops, just more privacy available to get to it?

 

Luke Gibbons: Yeah, it's something that happens in secret. So, it's very easy for it to get out of control, like a lot of other addictions, like drugs and alcohol and that kind of stuff. But that was something that when I was struggling, I would never have gone down that path because I had to do something publicly in a way to get access to something like that. But with pornography, if we have pain in our life, we can medicate it through pornography without anybody knowing about it really.  But at the core, we know about it and God knows about it and that eats us away as we get further and further down into that darkness spiral as we become addicted to it and can’t break free from it.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I've counseled pastors and their wives and I've had a pastor tell me this is the one thing that that I have trouble with, that I don't feel bad enough about because it's so private. No one knows I'm going through it. Yet it does so much for me. Yet you hear the copouts, you hear all the rational, trying to rationalize the behavior. What do you do with folks like that who just feel like it causes no harm to anyone? For 10 years he didn't feel like he wanted to quit it. Because he wasn’t hurting anyone. Speak to that.

 

Luke Gibbons: I think the reality is that we have what's called a denial structure and we learn about in The Conquer Series. It's this structure that we build around what we call medicating because we're really going to pornography to medicate something deeper. The reason we create this denial structure is so that we don't have anyone taking that medication away, that we've found in our safety zone for so long. So, what we have to do as we go through is work with guys and go, OK, let's look at this denial structure that we've built. So, it’s trying to break that down. It's trying to help them connect with the reality of where their addiction has taken them. So, for me, I had to really connect with the fact that it was probably costing me in my work, I was staying up all night, I wasn't able to function in my work. I really had to connect with that. But I also had to connect with the ways that I was lying to cover up my addiction. So, one of those was I was lying to my housemates and my friends about where I was and why I wasn't at certain, birthdays or functions or whatever it was. So, there are all of these things that we put in place that we use to try and cover up addiction. It just starts to spiral out of control and you just have to slowly work through that process of, of dealing with those the denial structures.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, in your own life, how did the Lord bring you out of that bondage to pornography?

 

Luke Gibbons: I really got into this place where I was desperate for help. I had just gone through this place where my friends had shared a little bit about their journey and their struggle in this area, and so I felt really convicted. I thought, God, I really need to do something about this. And God had been whispering to me for so long that while I had opened up to Him and confessed to Him, I really had to open up to some brothers who could start to lead me through this. What they did is they went away and did some research as I opened up to them. Then they came back and recommended that I go to rehab, and I'm like, oh, wow, that's a pretty drastic measure. Then they told me how much it costs. And I was like, oh, wow, yeah, that's really a test. But I reasoned that I was at that level where I really needed that help. So, I went away for six weeks and started that process. But it wasn't a Christian rehab. It was a place where I had to just rely on my own relationship with God and fall of my knees before Him all the time. He broke me down through that process, and built me back up again. I was so grateful for that. But I came away knowing that I wasn't the only one who struggled in this area, knowing that they were other people who were struggling as well. As I started to open up to people and tell them where I'd been, in the rehab and that kind of stuff, people started to share, well, I actually have that struggle as well, or I do have that struggle right now. I knew I wanted to find something that took the clinical information about the brain and addiction that I learned in rehab, and married it to the biblical truths that we know in Scripture. I'm so grateful for coming across the Conquer Series because that's when I realized this. This is what I had been looking for. This was really going to help a lot of men find help.

 

For the rest of Dr. Greene’s interview with Luke Gibbons, please click here.

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Luke Gibbons

 

If you are in a battle with pornography, you will find answers in this podcast. Luke Gibbons of KingdomWorks shares his story and what you can do to overcome.

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: I'm excited to share with you a little bit different show today, a show that's going to meet huge need; a need that over 68 percent of church men deal with. So, when I say that number most of you probably know where I'm going. Two out of three church going men view porn on a regular basis. Before that shocks you, breaks your heart, let me tell you that this show is going to be a show about an answer not about the problem. We could talk about the problem a little bit, set the stage, but I want you to know also that this podcast is for women. In my experience as a pastor, I know that women are as hurt by this … I'm going to call it a disease if you'll allow me that stretch. I know that women are affected by it in a much greater way sometimes than men because they're hurt deep in their spirit about it, as though the man had had an affair, if I could use that language. They feel threatened by it, they feel challenged by it. And they're looking for help. My guest today, we're gonna be able to talk with him about what they're doing and working on products and solutions for women as well. I just want to say to you, let's use this podcast to raise our knowledge about the issue and what is available out there for an answer. We may think that this is a moral problem. It may start that way. But it's quickly becoming more than that. It's a problem with the chemistry of our brain and the way that it's made up. There are certainly entry level drugs that seem to be harmless, that lead people into a life of drug addiction. There's just nothing that a man can do like trying harder, praying harder, going to church more often that will help break that cycle. What we want to do is break the cycle all the way down to its roots and help our younger generation.

 

·         Romans 12: 2: Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will” (MEV).

 

Paul pretty well was clear about it. In Romans 12, he talks about the renewal of our mind; that's what has to happen. It's not a one-time event, people want to come in, take a pill and be cured. We're a pill taking generation, right? This thing is more serious than that and it has a bigger claw that sticks pretty deep in our brain. I want to introduce you to the Conquer Series, to conquer this addiction, to conquer the problem and lay out a battle plan, a true path to purity, to help men renew their minds through a biblical process, not just a condemnation. We certainly would lay hands on the sick, we would pray for them. But there's work that has to be done in a process to wellness. I've got a quote here from Pastor Daniel Walsh. “It's been amazing to see men who have already overcome drug addictions start to overcome their porn addictions because of this great series, this Conquer Series. The light bulb moments have left me in tears as they take the step to release themselves from this bondage that has overtaken their lives. So, this Conquer Series includes real, proven strategies for freedom. I just want to say that to you, again: proven strategies for freedom from a porn addiction. It almost sounds dirty to say the word, doesn't it? But what's dirty is burying it, hiding it in the closet and pretending it doesn't exist. That's dirty. What the Lord loves to do is to shed light, to put light on a problem such as this in a way that reveals it for what it is. It's a problem. And it takes a series of steps to get through it. So, The Conquer Series does it through a 12-disc DVD series that we're going to talk about. I want to learn about it from our guest. At this point, I just want to introduce someone who really knows a lot about it. He's our friend here at Charisma, we believe in him and in the Conquer Series so much that we’ve invited him back to our show. Luke Gibbons, welcome back to the green lines podcast.

 

I guess one of the questions I've always had is how do Christians get themselves into this mess? They don't go looking for trouble, trouble finds them. They might see something on their phone one day that's intriguing in sort of a not so good way. They look at it, they jump into it, and the next thing they know struggling with addiction. Tell me about that, Luke.

 

Luke Gibbons: For a lot of people that happens from a very early age. Myself, I grew up in a Christian home, but we didn't really talk about sex and that often happens in Evangelical homes. It's not necessarily something that's talked about a lot and it's kind of swept under the rug. I grew up and found pornography online and it just got deeper and deeper for me. It really took me into a spiraling addiction that lasted 10 years, from right from when I was in high school through to university and then to working full time. Sometimes I'd be up all night viewing and then going to work on an hour sleep. So, it had me in the grips of it. I knew that God didn't want me in that space. I knew in my heart he wanted me to break out of it. Each time I thought, you know what, I'm never going to do this again. God, I'm sorry, please forgive me and I went through that pattern of cycle, thinking that I've confessed this to you, God, I don't need to do anything else. But the reality was what I needed was James 5. I needed to confess my sins to my brothers so that they could pray for me and so that I could find healing. That was the first step. But I also needed it a discipleship ship that was going to teach me the reality of what God's plan for us in is sexuality and in finding freedom and then stepping forward into what He really has for us. So, it was it was a transformational process. I'm grateful today that there's something like the Conquer Series that really helps God through that process.

 

The Conquer Series on Charisma News

 

·         How to Conquer the Porn Epidemic in the Church

·         Men Around the World are Giving Up Porn, and It’s Because of This …

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, before we get to that here, I could back up. I don't want to bore folks with facts, because I think your story is a classic indicator of what happens to people. But there's a couple of numbers that really are staggering, and that's probably half of our families deal with pornography. At least half of our Christian household families deal with it. Right now.

 

Luke Gibbons: Yeah, absolutely. In the statistics that we now have this 68 percent of church-going men who view pornography on a regular basis, we know that women also struggle with pornography, and that's growing as well. And we know that families are really grappling with this. I think it is over 70 percent of teens and children hide the online behavior from their parents. There's so much going on in this and what we're desperate for is some way to educate ourselves and to educate our families and really work through a process that that helps people understand that we're not trying to condemn, but we're trying to work through this, understanding that it's something that so much of the church is really enslaved in at the moment.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I know that women have gotten more involved in it. Younger and younger children are coming into it. Is this mainly because of the availability of technology through the phone through laptops, just more privacy available to get to it?

 

Luke Gibbons: Yeah, it's something that happens in secret. So, it's very easy for it to get out of control, like a lot of other addictions, like drugs and alcohol and that kind of stuff. But that was something that when I was struggling, I would never have gone down that path because I had to do something publicly in a way to get access to something like that. But with pornography, if we have pain in our life, we can medicate it through pornography without anybody knowing about it really.  But at the core, we know about it and God knows about it and that eats us away as we get further and further down into that darkness spiral as we become addicted to it and can’t break free from it.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: I've counseled pastors and their wives and I've had a pastor tell me this is the one thing that that I have trouble with, that I don't feel bad enough about because it's so private. No one knows I'm going through it. Yet it does so much for me. Yet you hear the copouts, you hear all the rational, trying to rationalize the behavior. What do you do with folks like that who just feel like it causes no harm to anyone? For 10 years he didn't feel like he wanted to quit it. Because he wasn’t hurting anyone. Speak to that.

 

Luke Gibbons: I think the reality is that we have what's called a denial structure and we learn about in The Conquer Series. It's this structure that we build around what we call medicating because we're really going to pornography to medicate something deeper. The reason we create this denial structure is so that we don't have anyone taking that medication away, that we've found in our safety zone for so long. So, what we have to do as we go through is work with guys and go, OK, let's look at this denial structure that we've built. So, it’s trying to break that down. It's trying to help them connect with the reality of where their addiction has taken them. So, for me, I had to really connect with the fact that it was probably costing me in my work, I was staying up all night, I wasn't able to function in my work. I really had to connect with that. But I also had to connect with the ways that I was lying to cover up my addiction. So, one of those was I was lying to my housemates and my friends about where I was and why I wasn't at certain, birthdays or functions or whatever it was. So, there are all of these things that we put in place that we use to try and cover up addiction. It just starts to spiral out of control and you just have to slowly work through that process of, of dealing with those the denial structures.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: So, in your own life, how did the Lord bring you out of that bondage to pornography?

 

Luke Gibbons: I really got into this place where I was desperate for help. I had just gone through this place where my friends had shared a little bit about their journey and their struggle in this area, and so I felt really convicted. I thought, God, I really need to do something about this. And God had been whispering to me for so long that while I had opened up to Him and confessed to Him, I really had to open up to some brothers who could start to lead me through this. What they did is they went away and did some research as I opened up to them. Then they came back and recommended that I go to rehab, and I'm like, oh, wow, that's a pretty drastic measure. Then they told me how much it costs. And I was like, oh, wow, yeah, that's really a test. But I reasoned that I was at that level where I really needed that help. So, I went away for six weeks and started that process. But it wasn't a Christian rehab. It was a place where I had to just rely on my own relationship with God and fall of my knees before Him all the time. He broke me down through that process, and built me back up again. I was so grateful for that. But I came away knowing that I wasn't the only one who struggled in this area, knowing that they were other people who were struggling as well. As I started to open up to people and tell them where I'd been, in the rehab and that kind of stuff, people started to share, well, I actually have that struggle as well, or I do have that struggle right now. I knew I wanted to find something that took the clinical information about the brain and addiction that I learned in rehab, and married it to the biblical truths that we know in Scripture. I'm so grateful for coming across the Conquer Series because that's when I realized this. This is what I had been looking for. This was really going to help a lot of men find help.

 

For the rest of Dr. Greene’s interview with Luke Gibbons, please click here.

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

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