Don't Give Up with Kyle Idleman (Season 5, Ep. 41)

Don't Give Up with Kyle Idleman (Season 5, Ep. 41)

Begin to tell what discourages you about the God you serve. Best-selling author, Kyle Idleman discusses what to do when you have started off strong but now are to the point of giving up. He takes you further into understanding Hebrews 12 and redefines faith in his new book, "Don't Give Up." Listen to throw off what hinders you to build your faith for the confidence and courage to keep going.

26 Minutes • 3 months ago

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Kyle Idleman

 

Begin to tell what discourages you about the God you serve. Best-selling author, Kyle Idleman discusses what to do when you have started off strong but now are to the point of giving up. He takes you further into understanding Hebrews 12 and redefines faith in his new book, Don’t Give Up. Listen to throw off what hinders you to build your faith for the confidence and courage to keep going.

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: At the arrest of Jesus, we read in Mark 14:50 they all deserted him and fled.  What a compelling scripture and thought. They all deserted him and fled. It just boggles my mind that in that moment, as his as Jesus was arrested that everybody ran from Him. Those guys that had walked with Him and ministered with him. They said, you're our guy, we get you, we follow you. They just bolted. They went back to what they were doing before they met Jesus. They gave up the walk they went back to fishing or their daily labor. Sometimes we're all like that. We're tempted to throw in the towel and just give up on our home, how about that one, or our work, or even our calling. What devastating effect that has on the lives of people when they give up on their calling. It takes a lot of courage to not give up, especially when all of your friends and every one in your small group is quitting and deciding to do something else with their time. It's one thing to say to people though, in my position, don't give up you can do it, get my pom poms out and cheer for them and say, don’t quit, keep going. It's quite another thing though, to get help through your crisis of faith. There's nothing worse than hope deferred. When we lose our hope sometimes the one thing that seems easiest to do is just give up. But my guest today, a mega church pastor who is about to release his newest book titled, Don't Give Up … what a book title, huh? Where's this book been all my life or your life or anyone’s? How many times would we have loved to have had that book in our hands. Pastor Kyle Idleman is a teaching pastor at one of our largest churches in America in Louisville, Kentucky. He's written several best-selling books in his career. And, I believe he's written his next bestseller with this book to be released soon, on March 5. So, Pastor Kyle, welcome to the Greenelines podcast and thank you for not giving up. I know that our audience is going to be blessed and I hope that everyone takes an opportunity to phone a friend, call someone up and kick the dog, do something, to let people know that we've got help for those that are teeter tottering and on the verge of giving up on anything. Life is not about giving up. So, I'm just curious. I want to start this interview with a real personal question. Tell us about your greatest temptation to give up.

 

·         Mark 14:50:  Then they all deserted Him and fled.

 

Kyle Idleman: What’s interesting for me is that the challenge of not giving up didn't come in this one big devastating moment. Instead it was kind of a cumulative effect of time and lack of energy and being overextended and some family challenges and some work struggles. It all kind of gathered together. Psychologists call it stress contamination. Like any one of those things by themselves would not have felt overwhelming, but you put them together and that wave starts to feel pretty big. What I found in that time is I wanted people to feel sorry for me. I wanted comfort from my friends and family, but what I was really needing was courage. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. Comfort and courage can go together. But I needed somebody to challenge me. I need somebody to say hey, you need to quit feeling sorry for yourself and find your strength in the Lord. You need to get back in the game. I was thankful when God put a pastor in my life that that did that for me. Since then I've just talked with so many people who are struggling and dealing with different challenges. I've just discovered as a pastor that the one message that almost everybody needs to hear is this don't give up message. As you pointed out maybe it's in their marriage or their family or maybe it's at work or their health or their finances or all of the above. Yet that message is one you know that all of us need to hear, sometimes more than others in life. But that all of us need to be reminded what it looks like to have faith that refuses to give up.

 

Some of Kyle Idleman’s Books

·         Grace is Greater: God’s Plan to Overcome Your Past, Redeem Your Pain and Rewrite Your Story

·         Not a Fan: Become a Completely Committed Follower of Jesus

·         Gods at War: Defeating the Idols that Battle for Your Heart

·         The End of Me: Where Real Life in the Upside-Down Ways of Jesus Begins

·         AHA: The God Moment That Changes Everything

 

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's right. I think you said it accumulates. Most of us don't quit with one event, although my example of the disciples, that was a single event, but they had been reeling a little bit because he had been telling them it was coming. So, they could have had the compilation effect as well.

 

Kyle Idleman: For most people there is kind of that point where they say enough is enough, I just can't do this anymore. I think you see that oftentimes in marriages where a husband or a wife walks away and they're finished and sometimes family and friends are looking at the situation thinking, what happened? I don't know what happened. I's just that a lot has built up to this one this one moment and as willing as they were, as determined as they might have been, it was just too much for too long well.

 

·         Kyle Idleman is the teaching minister at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky, with over 22,000 in attendance every week.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: A lot of dominoes fall over time. Sometimes they just don't get set back up. We don't make it right, we don't communicate properly. We could point to the mess easily, pastor, but it's what your book does as we move us forward. I noticed that you got a lot of your encouragement as a source that came from Hebrews 12. I'd love for you to share that with our listeners.

 

Kyle Idleman: Hebrews 12 is a great passage to use as an anchor in your life. The Hebrew writer just says, since we're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith. For the joy set before Him, He endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. It’s assuming that we're tired. Life has been hard. Things are difficult. The Hebrew writer is addressing people who started off strong and determined, but now they are struggling and they're winded and ready for a break. He just reminds the readers that they're not the first ones to run this race, that others have gone before them to be reminded of the faith that has been passed down to them and to fix their eyes on Jesus. We spend a lot of time fixing our eyes on our challenges and struggles. One of the things I talked about in the book is learning to pray in such a way that you stop telling God about your problems and you start telling your problems about God, that we need to make that shift the way David does in his prayers in the Psalms. You begin by telling God about your anxiety or stress or your discouragement, but that's not where you end. You end by telling your discouragement about God. The Hebrew writer says that if you focus your eyes on Jesus, you won't grow weary, you won't lose heart.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's good because when we're in these moligrubs and can’t help its; we get to that place where that's all we can think about is what's wrong. We don't get to the solution mindset.

 

Kyle Idleman: The perspective really is significant when someone feels discouraged and they're ready to quit. It becomes difficult to see things very objectively. For me, when I was pretty discouraged, I took about eight weeks and went to do mission work in Haiti. It gives you perspective pretty quick. I've spent a lot of time with a Haitian pastor. His name was Idri and I saw what Idri did as a pastor and what challenges he faced and the struggles that he had to deal with. It gave me perspective pretty quickly. From there I started reading missionary biographies and getting my mind around what other people have had to endure. I thought, what would what would they think if they heard me being discouraged over what I have to endure? Sometimes that perspective is really needed. We can start feeling sorry for ourselves and we forget about God's faithfulness. We forget about those who have endured and persevered and run the race before us.

 

Kyle Idleman on Charisma

 

·         Megachurch Pastor: Many Christians Unknowingly Worshipping Idols

 

Dr. Steve Greene: We need to start a business called the Get over it business and send people to Haiti on a mission trip. I've got a few employees, I like to send. You think we can pull that off because they would come back happy about their job, they wouldn't complain anymore.

 

Kyle Idleman: It does have a way of clearing some things up.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's a good word. I'm looking forward to hear more about it. I want to ask you about you've redefined faith. I thought that was extremely interesting, and I'd love for you to tell our audience about that.

 

Kyle Idelman: The Bible defines faith in Hebrews 11 as the confidence of what we hope for and it is assurance of what we do not see. What we sometimes think of as faith, we have faith that God's going to do what we want him to do. That’s not faith. Faith is faith in God's faithfulness, and then that means that sometimes it doesn't go the way that we thought it would. Sometimes faith is believing that God is going to heal and God heals. But sometimes faith is finding your strength and peace and God when the healing doesn't come. But that's faith too. Learning to understand that that faith isn't just a belief that it’s going to come together the way we want it to be. That's not faith. Faith is believing in the faithfulness and the goodness of God, that He sees things we can't; He knows things that that we don't.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: Yes, that's a good word too. You've also got a great section in the book. You speak about the weights that hold us down. We already start our day weighted down sometimes.  We go off with a wheelbarrow full of stuff to work. We’re really fighting a losing battle. So, tell us a little bit about how we can cut loose all these weights.

 

·         Hebrews 12:1: “Therefore, since we are encompassed with such a great cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.”

 

·         1 Peter 5:7: Cast all your care upon Him, because He cares for you.

 

Kyle Idleman: Part of what Hebrews 12 says is, ‘Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles.’ That phrase, everything that hinders, is literally any kind of weight. So, whatever is slowing you down, whatever's keeping you back from what God has called you to or who he's called you to become, we need to intentionally get rid of that weight. The metaphor here is of running and when a runner runs, they don't want to carry a lot of weight around the track. They want to get rid of that weight. What I've tried to do in the book is just identify some weights that are common to us. For example, the weight of anxiety. When we live with anxiety and stress, that has a way of slowing us down. It robs us of the emotional energy we need to keep going. As long as we carry that anxiety with us, it's going to be difficult to make much progress. Peter tells us in 1 Peter 5:7, ‘cast all your anxiety on God, because He cares for you.’ That phrase of cast all your anxiety, it's this idea of transferring weight. It’s like letting the anxiety go into the air and it magically disappears. You transfer it over to God. You identify it, you say, hey, this is what is keeping me up. This is what I'm struggling with. You determine to no longer carry that weight yourself. You cast your anxiety on God. In the book I talk a little bit about how to do that. For a lot of us, it's our sin. It's guilt and shame. Those are weights that can slow us down and cause us to give up and cause us to quit. So, how do we free ourselves through Jesus to, to be free of guilt and shame? I also and talk about just the sin of unbelief really, that it's a lack of belief, a lack of faith in what God is doing what he can do that keeps us from getting up and moving forward. But I talked to people often as a pastor. They are determined to not give up. They don't want to give up, but you see the kind of weight that they carry. You realize that, as determined as they might be, as long as they're going to carry this weight around, it's going to be pretty difficult to keep going. Instead of just saying to someone, hey, get back up, keep going. Don't give up. You know, really what we often need is someone to help us be free from the weight that has slowed us down.

 

For the rest of Dr. Greene’s interview with Kyle Idleman, visit cpnshows.com.

 

Connect with Kyle Idleman

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

·         Kyleidleman.com

·         At southeastchristian.org

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

 

email: greenelines@charismamedia.com

Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Kyle Idleman

 

Begin to tell what discourages you about the God you serve. Best-selling author, Kyle Idleman discusses what to do when you have started off strong but now are to the point of giving up. He takes you further into understanding Hebrews 12 and redefines faith in his new book, Don’t Give Up. Listen to throw off what hinders you to build your faith for the confidence and courage to keep going.

 

Introduction

Dr. Steve Greene: At the arrest of Jesus, we read in Mark 14:50 they all deserted him and fled.  What a compelling scripture and thought. They all deserted him and fled. It just boggles my mind that in that moment, as his as Jesus was arrested that everybody ran from Him. Those guys that had walked with Him and ministered with him. They said, you're our guy, we get you, we follow you. They just bolted. They went back to what they were doing before they met Jesus. They gave up the walk they went back to fishing or their daily labor. Sometimes we're all like that. We're tempted to throw in the towel and just give up on our home, how about that one, or our work, or even our calling. What devastating effect that has on the lives of people when they give up on their calling. It takes a lot of courage to not give up, especially when all of your friends and every one in your small group is quitting and deciding to do something else with their time. It's one thing to say to people though, in my position, don't give up you can do it, get my pom poms out and cheer for them and say, don’t quit, keep going. It's quite another thing though, to get help through your crisis of faith. There's nothing worse than hope deferred. When we lose our hope sometimes the one thing that seems easiest to do is just give up. But my guest today, a mega church pastor who is about to release his newest book titled, Don't Give Up … what a book title, huh? Where's this book been all my life or your life or anyone’s? How many times would we have loved to have had that book in our hands. Pastor Kyle Idleman is a teaching pastor at one of our largest churches in America in Louisville, Kentucky. He's written several best-selling books in his career. And, I believe he's written his next bestseller with this book to be released soon, on March 5. So, Pastor Kyle, welcome to the Greenelines podcast and thank you for not giving up. I know that our audience is going to be blessed and I hope that everyone takes an opportunity to phone a friend, call someone up and kick the dog, do something, to let people know that we've got help for those that are teeter tottering and on the verge of giving up on anything. Life is not about giving up. So, I'm just curious. I want to start this interview with a real personal question. Tell us about your greatest temptation to give up.

 

·         Mark 14:50:  Then they all deserted Him and fled.

 

Kyle Idleman: What’s interesting for me is that the challenge of not giving up didn't come in this one big devastating moment. Instead it was kind of a cumulative effect of time and lack of energy and being overextended and some family challenges and some work struggles. It all kind of gathered together. Psychologists call it stress contamination. Like any one of those things by themselves would not have felt overwhelming, but you put them together and that wave starts to feel pretty big. What I found in that time is I wanted people to feel sorry for me. I wanted comfort from my friends and family, but what I was really needing was courage. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. Comfort and courage can go together. But I needed somebody to challenge me. I need somebody to say hey, you need to quit feeling sorry for yourself and find your strength in the Lord. You need to get back in the game. I was thankful when God put a pastor in my life that that did that for me. Since then I've just talked with so many people who are struggling and dealing with different challenges. I've just discovered as a pastor that the one message that almost everybody needs to hear is this don't give up message. As you pointed out maybe it's in their marriage or their family or maybe it's at work or their health or their finances or all of the above. Yet that message is one you know that all of us need to hear, sometimes more than others in life. But that all of us need to be reminded what it looks like to have faith that refuses to give up.

 

Some of Kyle Idleman’s Books

·         Grace is Greater: God’s Plan to Overcome Your Past, Redeem Your Pain and Rewrite Your Story

·         Not a Fan: Become a Completely Committed Follower of Jesus

·         Gods at War: Defeating the Idols that Battle for Your Heart

·         The End of Me: Where Real Life in the Upside-Down Ways of Jesus Begins

·         AHA: The God Moment That Changes Everything

 

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's right. I think you said it accumulates. Most of us don't quit with one event, although my example of the disciples, that was a single event, but they had been reeling a little bit because he had been telling them it was coming. So, they could have had the compilation effect as well.

 

Kyle Idleman: For most people there is kind of that point where they say enough is enough, I just can't do this anymore. I think you see that oftentimes in marriages where a husband or a wife walks away and they're finished and sometimes family and friends are looking at the situation thinking, what happened? I don't know what happened. I's just that a lot has built up to this one this one moment and as willing as they were, as determined as they might have been, it was just too much for too long well.

 

·         Kyle Idleman is the teaching minister at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky, with over 22,000 in attendance every week.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: A lot of dominoes fall over time. Sometimes they just don't get set back up. We don't make it right, we don't communicate properly. We could point to the mess easily, pastor, but it's what your book does as we move us forward. I noticed that you got a lot of your encouragement as a source that came from Hebrews 12. I'd love for you to share that with our listeners.

 

Kyle Idleman: Hebrews 12 is a great passage to use as an anchor in your life. The Hebrew writer just says, since we're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of our faith. For the joy set before Him, He endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. It’s assuming that we're tired. Life has been hard. Things are difficult. The Hebrew writer is addressing people who started off strong and determined, but now they are struggling and they're winded and ready for a break. He just reminds the readers that they're not the first ones to run this race, that others have gone before them to be reminded of the faith that has been passed down to them and to fix their eyes on Jesus. We spend a lot of time fixing our eyes on our challenges and struggles. One of the things I talked about in the book is learning to pray in such a way that you stop telling God about your problems and you start telling your problems about God, that we need to make that shift the way David does in his prayers in the Psalms. You begin by telling God about your anxiety or stress or your discouragement, but that's not where you end. You end by telling your discouragement about God. The Hebrew writer says that if you focus your eyes on Jesus, you won't grow weary, you won't lose heart.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's good because when we're in these moligrubs and can’t help its; we get to that place where that's all we can think about is what's wrong. We don't get to the solution mindset.

 

Kyle Idleman: The perspective really is significant when someone feels discouraged and they're ready to quit. It becomes difficult to see things very objectively. For me, when I was pretty discouraged, I took about eight weeks and went to do mission work in Haiti. It gives you perspective pretty quick. I've spent a lot of time with a Haitian pastor. His name was Idri and I saw what Idri did as a pastor and what challenges he faced and the struggles that he had to deal with. It gave me perspective pretty quickly. From there I started reading missionary biographies and getting my mind around what other people have had to endure. I thought, what would what would they think if they heard me being discouraged over what I have to endure? Sometimes that perspective is really needed. We can start feeling sorry for ourselves and we forget about God's faithfulness. We forget about those who have endured and persevered and run the race before us.

 

Kyle Idleman on Charisma

 

·         Megachurch Pastor: Many Christians Unknowingly Worshipping Idols

 

Dr. Steve Greene: We need to start a business called the Get over it business and send people to Haiti on a mission trip. I've got a few employees, I like to send. You think we can pull that off because they would come back happy about their job, they wouldn't complain anymore.

 

Kyle Idleman: It does have a way of clearing some things up.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: That's a good word. I'm looking forward to hear more about it. I want to ask you about you've redefined faith. I thought that was extremely interesting, and I'd love for you to tell our audience about that.

 

Kyle Idelman: The Bible defines faith in Hebrews 11 as the confidence of what we hope for and it is assurance of what we do not see. What we sometimes think of as faith, we have faith that God's going to do what we want him to do. That’s not faith. Faith is faith in God's faithfulness, and then that means that sometimes it doesn't go the way that we thought it would. Sometimes faith is believing that God is going to heal and God heals. But sometimes faith is finding your strength and peace and God when the healing doesn't come. But that's faith too. Learning to understand that that faith isn't just a belief that it’s going to come together the way we want it to be. That's not faith. Faith is believing in the faithfulness and the goodness of God, that He sees things we can't; He knows things that that we don't.

 

Dr. Steve Greene: Yes, that's a good word too. You've also got a great section in the book. You speak about the weights that hold us down. We already start our day weighted down sometimes.  We go off with a wheelbarrow full of stuff to work. We’re really fighting a losing battle. So, tell us a little bit about how we can cut loose all these weights.

 

·         Hebrews 12:1: “Therefore, since we are encompassed with such a great cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.”

 

·         1 Peter 5:7: Cast all your care upon Him, because He cares for you.

 

Kyle Idleman: Part of what Hebrews 12 says is, ‘Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles.’ That phrase, everything that hinders, is literally any kind of weight. So, whatever is slowing you down, whatever's keeping you back from what God has called you to or who he's called you to become, we need to intentionally get rid of that weight. The metaphor here is of running and when a runner runs, they don't want to carry a lot of weight around the track. They want to get rid of that weight. What I've tried to do in the book is just identify some weights that are common to us. For example, the weight of anxiety. When we live with anxiety and stress, that has a way of slowing us down. It robs us of the emotional energy we need to keep going. As long as we carry that anxiety with us, it's going to be difficult to make much progress. Peter tells us in 1 Peter 5:7, ‘cast all your anxiety on God, because He cares for you.’ That phrase of cast all your anxiety, it's this idea of transferring weight. It’s like letting the anxiety go into the air and it magically disappears. You transfer it over to God. You identify it, you say, hey, this is what is keeping me up. This is what I'm struggling with. You determine to no longer carry that weight yourself. You cast your anxiety on God. In the book I talk a little bit about how to do that. For a lot of us, it's our sin. It's guilt and shame. Those are weights that can slow us down and cause us to give up and cause us to quit. So, how do we free ourselves through Jesus to, to be free of guilt and shame? I also and talk about just the sin of unbelief really, that it's a lack of belief, a lack of faith in what God is doing what he can do that keeps us from getting up and moving forward. But I talked to people often as a pastor. They are determined to not give up. They don't want to give up, but you see the kind of weight that they carry. You realize that, as determined as they might be, as long as they're going to carry this weight around, it's going to be pretty difficult to keep going. Instead of just saying to someone, hey, get back up, keep going. Don't give up. You know, really what we often need is someone to help us be free from the weight that has slowed us down.

 

For the rest of Dr. Greene’s interview with Kyle Idleman, visit cpnshows.com.

 

Connect with Kyle Idleman

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

·         Kyleidleman.com

·         At southeastchristian.org

 

Greenelines Host Information

Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

 

email: greenelines@charismamedia.com

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Don't Give Up with Kyle Idleman (Season 5, Ep. 41)