The Jesus Way to Influence with Matt Brown

The Jesus Way to Influence with Matt Brown

God calls you to be an influencer to share the message of the Gospel. People look at you to see who Christ was like. Listen as author Matt Brown explains the importance of this influence. He speaks on how to balance walking in truth and love. Learn more about Matt's new book "Truth Plus Love."

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Matt Brown

God calls you to be an influencer to share the message of the Gospel. People look at you to see who Christ was like. Listen as author Matt Brown explains the importance of this influence. He speaks on how to balance walking in truth and love. Learn more about Matt's new book Truth Plus Love.

Introduction

I began a devotion this morning with a story about what it's like to be a pastor of a family that's about to have a baby. You get invited to come to the hospital. I learned really quickly that I'm not going to any of the rooms until the coast is clear. In other words, there are no nurses and the baby's been born. Until then, I sit out in the lobby and I wait. But I also find an opportunity to go look inside of the window. I get to see lots of babies, 25-30babies all laying there saying one thing to me. And that's why I never miss this opportunity. I look through the window, and I see so much potential. It’s potential because they haven't done anything yet. They've cried a little, that are aware of themselves a little. But they still haven't realized the potential that God placed in them even from the foundation of this earth. They're full of possibilities. I like to look at them and wonder how many of them will lead; how many of them will have what it takes to become someone who can change the world through their leadership ability, someone who will impact our world, the kingdom of God, because they've learned to lead with integrity. Integrity is one of those words that John Maxwell made a big deal about and still does as being one of the key ingredients of leadership. But just in being a person, being people of relationships. I wonder how much more work we can all do with a healthy dose of integrity.

I’ve got an exciting guest to share with you today. Some of you know him. And some of you will certainly know him after this. He's written a book that's about to come out. It comes out next week. The name of the book is Truth Plus Love. It's written by Matt Brown, and Matt Brown is my guest on the podcast today. I didn't read the subtitle of your book, but this the most important line on the cover I think: The Jesus Way to Influence. So, let's start off right there. Why is Truth Plus Love the Jesus way to influence?

Matt Brown Books

·         Truth Plus Love: The Jesus Way to Influence

·         Chosen: What Would Happen if You Reminded Yourself of the Gospel Every Day

·         Awakening: How God’s Next Great Move Inspires & Influences Our Lives Today

Matt Brown: This book has been on my heart. I've written some books before this, but this is, I feel like in such a big way, a life message. It’s been in my heart for five to six years now. I've been praying about it, thinking about it. It really goes back to when I first started in ministry 18 years ago. I suddenly got the wrong idea. I grew up in a great Christian home, not a ministry home but parents that really loved the Lord. I became a Christian and early age, but I somehow around finishing Bible College had the wrong impression that spiritual maturity was like my intensity or my passion or kind of just aggression toward the Lord and His purposes. What has really opened my eyes in the last five to six years towards this book was Galatians 5:22 and 23, which is the fruit of the Spirit. A whole lot of love and joy and peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, goodness, self-control. By the way, I never get them in the right order, even though I wrote a book on it.

·         Galatians 5:22-23: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and self-control; against such there is no law” (MEV).

But it's this idea that we were carrying the truth, which is so powerful; the truth of God's Word, the truth of the gospel. There is Holy Spirit power in it. There is a lady I wrote about in the book name Henrietta Mears. She has an amazing ministry and she says Christianity's not adding a burden to your life, it’s adding power. That's the reality. There's power in the gospel. There's power in God's Word and there is power in truth. Truth is a powerful thing when it comes to God's truth. But God so clearly also called us to walk in love. And so it's this idea that we have to carry both of these as believers. It’s so important nowadays because we're the first generation of Christians that has ever had to learn how to use what I call like our online megaphone, which means with social media. We all are talking daily to hundreds of thousands of past friends and co-workers and we can do it really quickly without thinking too hard; kind of respond to the things that are going on in our world. It’s so important that we walk in truth, but also love and kind of be gracious at how we're coming across about our faith.

Dr. Steve Greene: Matt, I want to make sure our audience has a little bit of your background in mind as they listen to you because you're speaking the truth. You've got a lot of wisdom to share. I think you probably picked this up through your life. I know that now your evangelist, you've written several books. Most notably, you just added a new daughter to your mix. You've got a little girl just about six weeks old with a two and a four-year-old boy. I was saying to you before we went live with this podcast that she's gonna have good protection from those two boys. She'll have good influence, won’t she?

Matt Brown: Yes, she will. Family is the best part of life. My wife, Michelle. and I are, have been married now coming up on 14 years. We're just so grateful for our kids and kind of now being in the parent mode for the last four and a half years. We love our boys and of course, we're thrilled to have a girl as well. So, for 18 years we've been doing evangelistic ministry, just sharing the gospel, sharing the hope of Jesus. When I sensed God calling me in the ministry, it was before even social media existed. That's now become kind of a core aspect of our ministry as well. We're going online evangelism and discipleship. We're reaching the nations and we're sharing gospel content and messages. This last year, last 12 months, we've had the opportunity to do that with 65 million people. We’ve just been working together with the team of friends. We also do, like crusades; live gospel ministry and outreach. So, it's been it's been a privilege and a joy kind of on both fronts. There's a lot going on, and we're just grateful for our kids and grateful for the opportunity to sense God's purpose in our lives and to pursue that.

Dr. Steve Greene: You have a ministry that you titled Think Eternity. Your website is thinke.org. Tell me what's on that website and tell me a little bit about your ministry called Think Eternity.

Matt Brown: I just had a real sense that, when I was 17 years old at a youth event conference that was going on and it was the second day of the conference and the preacher was preaching and just sharing about a burden for people who are away from God, people who are far from God. It just broke my heart in that meeting. I was thinking of my friends in my high school as a senior in high school. I actually just started crying and sort of weeping for people who needed Christ. It was in that moment that I sensed God just saying … and by the way I grew up as kind of a sheltered church kid. So, God was calling me to reach people outside the church. And so, that's what I've been spending my life doing. Our ministry is really an outflow of this idea, this concept that Leonard Ravenhill used to talk about that he had … eternity. He just talked about the importance of reminding yourself of eternal values of God's perspective on life. There's a lot there's a lot of opinions going on in culture these days. There's a lot of messages, there's more messages than ever because everybody talks louder than they ever could before. It’s so important to go back to the Bible, go back to the Word of God and say, what is God's perspective on all this? That’s why I love your podcast. That's why I love what you guys are doing at Charisma and all the different content and media you're putting out there. Let's think and live for the stuff that really matters, for the stuff that will matter in eternity, not just the temporal. That was kind of the name we went with for our evangelistic ministry that we've been doing; several of these areas. And then of course, now one of those ways is through social media. My backstory with social media is that I was actually really slow to get involved in social media. When I was in Bible college, I would brag to my friends that didn't want to have a cell phone. I don't know why I did that. It sounds silly now. My older brother is a pastor and he forced me on to the first social media network and then onto the subsequent ones. But I started to realize I could write articles on there and kind of share some of the things God was speaking to my heart. I realized, wow, this is a tool for ministry. Of course, it's a great tool just for friendship and community as well. But I was getting excited about the ministry opportunities that I was seeing through that. So, that has expanded and grown. We've seen that be really one of the core aspects of our ministry. This is a new wave of communication that our world is experiencing, and really every Christian has influence through that as well and needs to think about how they're using that.

Dr. Steve Greene: That's true. I want to jump back to your book because we want people to know about your book. This is Matt Brown that we're interviewing, Truth Plus Love: The Jesus Way to Influence. You made a comment in your book that God has called us to be influencers for the sake of the gospel. I love that line. I'd like you to tell me what it means to influencers for the sake of the gospel.

Matt Brown: Every single one of us, everyone listening, you have influence with people around you. It’s probably more influence than you realize. So, the way that you do your life, the ways you live, whether it's your kids watching you as they grow up, whether it's people in your workplace, whether it's people that you come across on a daily basis running errands around town. People interact with you and they're impacted by the ways that you see life and the ways that you act, the ways that you treat them. So, we all have influence. And, we're in a unique generation again where, what I what I would say is that we all have this online megaphone through social media where all of our past relationships and friendships, whether it's hundreds of people and for some of us it might be thousands of people, we can share our thoughts with them about what's going on the world. So, we have this enormous influence. But it's so important that we learn to do it well and represent Christ well. One of the powerful statements that I heard was by Evangelist D.L. Moody years ago and evangelist from the past. He said that out of 100 people outside the church, one might eventually pick up a Bible and read it. Of course, that would be great, but 99 will read the Christian.

So, people look at us to see who God is. They look at us to see what Christ is like. That's why it's so important that we walk in both truth and in love. I kind of format my book around truth and love within the fruit of the Spirit. I start with love. I talk in chapters about the fruit of the Spirit. If you think about the fruit of the Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit represents the character of God. God is loving, God is patient with us. God is kind; his kindness leads us to repentance. Overwhelmingly, God is so faithful. Even when we struggle, God is faithful. And so, the fruit of Spirit is a way for us to represent Jesus to the world and walk in the ways that he walked to the people around us. They're reading our lives. They are reading our social media posts. They are reading us in our conversations and we have influence with them. I believe we can increase our influence with them as we walk them through the Spirit. The reason I say that is if you think about it, have you ever met somebody with a lot of love, and with a lot of joy, and with a lot of peace? You're drawn to those people, you're drawn to people who are growing in those ways and drawn to those characteristics. When you're drawn to them, you're impacted by them, you're influenced by them and what they say. So, it's like, the fruit of the Spirit. Love allows us to influence people for truth. We need this in our culture because we live in a generation where everyone's just shouting at each other, with their posts and with their commentary. That's not how you influence people. You influence people by the graciousness and by your love, your genuine love. You can't just say it. It's First Corinthians 13. Are you kind, are you not easily angered? Are you not self-seeking? That’s love, and so when we when we walk in those ways, people will be drawn to us. And honestly, this could this could bless your business, this could bless your work life. This can bless your relationship with your family. My wife loves me more when I walk to the fruit of the Spirit. That's just reality. My kids respect me more when I walk into the Spirit. But ultimately for Christ, ultimately for the gospel, not just for our own purpose.

 

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Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

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Episode Notes

Greenelines with

Dr. Steve Greene

Guest: Matt Brown

God calls you to be an influencer to share the message of the Gospel. People look at you to see who Christ was like. Listen as author Matt Brown explains the importance of this influence. He speaks on how to balance walking in truth and love. Learn more about Matt's new book Truth Plus Love.

Introduction

I began a devotion this morning with a story about what it's like to be a pastor of a family that's about to have a baby. You get invited to come to the hospital. I learned really quickly that I'm not going to any of the rooms until the coast is clear. In other words, there are no nurses and the baby's been born. Until then, I sit out in the lobby and I wait. But I also find an opportunity to go look inside of the window. I get to see lots of babies, 25-30babies all laying there saying one thing to me. And that's why I never miss this opportunity. I look through the window, and I see so much potential. It’s potential because they haven't done anything yet. They've cried a little, that are aware of themselves a little. But they still haven't realized the potential that God placed in them even from the foundation of this earth. They're full of possibilities. I like to look at them and wonder how many of them will lead; how many of them will have what it takes to become someone who can change the world through their leadership ability, someone who will impact our world, the kingdom of God, because they've learned to lead with integrity. Integrity is one of those words that John Maxwell made a big deal about and still does as being one of the key ingredients of leadership. But just in being a person, being people of relationships. I wonder how much more work we can all do with a healthy dose of integrity.

I’ve got an exciting guest to share with you today. Some of you know him. And some of you will certainly know him after this. He's written a book that's about to come out. It comes out next week. The name of the book is Truth Plus Love. It's written by Matt Brown, and Matt Brown is my guest on the podcast today. I didn't read the subtitle of your book, but this the most important line on the cover I think: The Jesus Way to Influence. So, let's start off right there. Why is Truth Plus Love the Jesus way to influence?

Matt Brown Books

·         Truth Plus Love: The Jesus Way to Influence

·         Chosen: What Would Happen if You Reminded Yourself of the Gospel Every Day

·         Awakening: How God’s Next Great Move Inspires & Influences Our Lives Today

Matt Brown: This book has been on my heart. I've written some books before this, but this is, I feel like in such a big way, a life message. It’s been in my heart for five to six years now. I've been praying about it, thinking about it. It really goes back to when I first started in ministry 18 years ago. I suddenly got the wrong idea. I grew up in a great Christian home, not a ministry home but parents that really loved the Lord. I became a Christian and early age, but I somehow around finishing Bible College had the wrong impression that spiritual maturity was like my intensity or my passion or kind of just aggression toward the Lord and His purposes. What has really opened my eyes in the last five to six years towards this book was Galatians 5:22 and 23, which is the fruit of the Spirit. A whole lot of love and joy and peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, goodness, self-control. By the way, I never get them in the right order, even though I wrote a book on it.

·         Galatians 5:22-23: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and self-control; against such there is no law” (MEV).

But it's this idea that we were carrying the truth, which is so powerful; the truth of God's Word, the truth of the gospel. There is Holy Spirit power in it. There is a lady I wrote about in the book name Henrietta Mears. She has an amazing ministry and she says Christianity's not adding a burden to your life, it’s adding power. That's the reality. There's power in the gospel. There's power in God's Word and there is power in truth. Truth is a powerful thing when it comes to God's truth. But God so clearly also called us to walk in love. And so it's this idea that we have to carry both of these as believers. It’s so important nowadays because we're the first generation of Christians that has ever had to learn how to use what I call like our online megaphone, which means with social media. We all are talking daily to hundreds of thousands of past friends and co-workers and we can do it really quickly without thinking too hard; kind of respond to the things that are going on in our world. It’s so important that we walk in truth, but also love and kind of be gracious at how we're coming across about our faith.

Dr. Steve Greene: Matt, I want to make sure our audience has a little bit of your background in mind as they listen to you because you're speaking the truth. You've got a lot of wisdom to share. I think you probably picked this up through your life. I know that now your evangelist, you've written several books. Most notably, you just added a new daughter to your mix. You've got a little girl just about six weeks old with a two and a four-year-old boy. I was saying to you before we went live with this podcast that she's gonna have good protection from those two boys. She'll have good influence, won’t she?

Matt Brown: Yes, she will. Family is the best part of life. My wife, Michelle. and I are, have been married now coming up on 14 years. We're just so grateful for our kids and kind of now being in the parent mode for the last four and a half years. We love our boys and of course, we're thrilled to have a girl as well. So, for 18 years we've been doing evangelistic ministry, just sharing the gospel, sharing the hope of Jesus. When I sensed God calling me in the ministry, it was before even social media existed. That's now become kind of a core aspect of our ministry as well. We're going online evangelism and discipleship. We're reaching the nations and we're sharing gospel content and messages. This last year, last 12 months, we've had the opportunity to do that with 65 million people. We’ve just been working together with the team of friends. We also do, like crusades; live gospel ministry and outreach. So, it's been it's been a privilege and a joy kind of on both fronts. There's a lot going on, and we're just grateful for our kids and grateful for the opportunity to sense God's purpose in our lives and to pursue that.

Dr. Steve Greene: You have a ministry that you titled Think Eternity. Your website is thinke.org. Tell me what's on that website and tell me a little bit about your ministry called Think Eternity.

Matt Brown: I just had a real sense that, when I was 17 years old at a youth event conference that was going on and it was the second day of the conference and the preacher was preaching and just sharing about a burden for people who are away from God, people who are far from God. It just broke my heart in that meeting. I was thinking of my friends in my high school as a senior in high school. I actually just started crying and sort of weeping for people who needed Christ. It was in that moment that I sensed God just saying … and by the way I grew up as kind of a sheltered church kid. So, God was calling me to reach people outside the church. And so, that's what I've been spending my life doing. Our ministry is really an outflow of this idea, this concept that Leonard Ravenhill used to talk about that he had … eternity. He just talked about the importance of reminding yourself of eternal values of God's perspective on life. There's a lot there's a lot of opinions going on in culture these days. There's a lot of messages, there's more messages than ever because everybody talks louder than they ever could before. It’s so important to go back to the Bible, go back to the Word of God and say, what is God's perspective on all this? That’s why I love your podcast. That's why I love what you guys are doing at Charisma and all the different content and media you're putting out there. Let's think and live for the stuff that really matters, for the stuff that will matter in eternity, not just the temporal. That was kind of the name we went with for our evangelistic ministry that we've been doing; several of these areas. And then of course, now one of those ways is through social media. My backstory with social media is that I was actually really slow to get involved in social media. When I was in Bible college, I would brag to my friends that didn't want to have a cell phone. I don't know why I did that. It sounds silly now. My older brother is a pastor and he forced me on to the first social media network and then onto the subsequent ones. But I started to realize I could write articles on there and kind of share some of the things God was speaking to my heart. I realized, wow, this is a tool for ministry. Of course, it's a great tool just for friendship and community as well. But I was getting excited about the ministry opportunities that I was seeing through that. So, that has expanded and grown. We've seen that be really one of the core aspects of our ministry. This is a new wave of communication that our world is experiencing, and really every Christian has influence through that as well and needs to think about how they're using that.

Dr. Steve Greene: That's true. I want to jump back to your book because we want people to know about your book. This is Matt Brown that we're interviewing, Truth Plus Love: The Jesus Way to Influence. You made a comment in your book that God has called us to be influencers for the sake of the gospel. I love that line. I'd like you to tell me what it means to influencers for the sake of the gospel.

Matt Brown: Every single one of us, everyone listening, you have influence with people around you. It’s probably more influence than you realize. So, the way that you do your life, the ways you live, whether it's your kids watching you as they grow up, whether it's people in your workplace, whether it's people that you come across on a daily basis running errands around town. People interact with you and they're impacted by the ways that you see life and the ways that you act, the ways that you treat them. So, we all have influence. And, we're in a unique generation again where, what I what I would say is that we all have this online megaphone through social media where all of our past relationships and friendships, whether it's hundreds of people and for some of us it might be thousands of people, we can share our thoughts with them about what's going on the world. So, we have this enormous influence. But it's so important that we learn to do it well and represent Christ well. One of the powerful statements that I heard was by Evangelist D.L. Moody years ago and evangelist from the past. He said that out of 100 people outside the church, one might eventually pick up a Bible and read it. Of course, that would be great, but 99 will read the Christian.

So, people look at us to see who God is. They look at us to see what Christ is like. That's why it's so important that we walk in both truth and in love. I kind of format my book around truth and love within the fruit of the Spirit. I start with love. I talk in chapters about the fruit of the Spirit. If you think about the fruit of the Spirit, the fruit of the Spirit represents the character of God. God is loving, God is patient with us. God is kind; his kindness leads us to repentance. Overwhelmingly, God is so faithful. Even when we struggle, God is faithful. And so, the fruit of Spirit is a way for us to represent Jesus to the world and walk in the ways that he walked to the people around us. They're reading our lives. They are reading our social media posts. They are reading us in our conversations and we have influence with them. I believe we can increase our influence with them as we walk them through the Spirit. The reason I say that is if you think about it, have you ever met somebody with a lot of love, and with a lot of joy, and with a lot of peace? You're drawn to those people, you're drawn to people who are growing in those ways and drawn to those characteristics. When you're drawn to them, you're impacted by them, you're influenced by them and what they say. So, it's like, the fruit of the Spirit. Love allows us to influence people for truth. We need this in our culture because we live in a generation where everyone's just shouting at each other, with their posts and with their commentary. That's not how you influence people. You influence people by the graciousness and by your love, your genuine love. You can't just say it. It's First Corinthians 13. Are you kind, are you not easily angered? Are you not self-seeking? That’s love, and so when we when we walk in those ways, people will be drawn to us. And honestly, this could this could bless your business, this could bless your work life. This can bless your relationship with your family. My wife loves me more when I walk to the fruit of the Spirit. That's just reality. My kids respect me more when I walk into the Spirit. But ultimately for Christ, ultimately for the gospel, not just for our own purpose.

 

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Dr. Steve Greene is the Publisher and Executive Vice President of Charisma Media. Dr. Greene received his Ph.D. in marketing from Memphis State University. He has worked in television station management and worked directly with over 80 stations throughout the United States. He has worked in marketing capacities with McDonald’s, Jiffy Lube, and Stanley Steemer. He has owned restaurants, a national advertising agency and a syndicated marketing research firm. Dr. Greene has served as the Dean of the College of Business and professor of marketing at Oral Roberts University. He is also the author of Love Leads, which dispels the myths and misconceptions many have come to accept about leadership.

To learn more about Dr. Steve Greene, connect with him on social media!

Facebook: https://facebook.com/drsgreene/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/DrSteveGreene

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr.stevegreene/

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