In Depth with Gene Bailey: Forgotten Revivals and How God Is Moving Now (Ep. 3)

In Depth with Gene Bailey: Forgotten Revivals and How God Is Moving Now (Ep. 3)

Why is it so easy to forget what God has done? The sad truth is that many Christians in the U.S. don't remember the great moves of God, even in the last century. In this episode, host Stephen Strang interviews longtime friend Gene Bailey of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Listen as Bailey reminding the church of amazing revivals that have shaped history and pointing to how God is moving now.

32 Minutes • 3 months ago

Episode Notes

In Depth with

Stephen Strang

Guest: Gene Bailey

 

Why is it so easy to forget what God has done? The sad truth is that many Christians in the U.S. don't remember the great moves of God, even in the last century.

 

In this episode, host Stephen Strang interviews longtime friend, Gene Bailey, of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Listen as Bailey reminding the church of amazing revivals that have shaped history and pointing to how God is moving now.

 

Introduction

Stephen Strang: Hello everyone. I'm Stephen Strang, and welcome to this edition of In Depth with Stephen Strang. My guest today is my longtime friend, Gene Bailey. He is one of the executives at Kenneth Copeland Ministries, but I have known him for many years since he also worked for Benny Hinn, and over the years we’ve become friends. Lately, among his other duties, he has started a very fascinating TV program that Joy and I watch at home called Revival Radio TV. It is a great program. I encourage you to watch it. You can see it on the Believers Voice of Victory Network. Gene was in the office not long ago. I asked him if he would sit and talk to me about his own story of coming into the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the early days of the Charismatic Movement, and also the early days of Pentecost, and what God is doing. So, enjoy my interview with Gene Bailey of Revival Radio. The first thing I want to talk to you about is this TV program that you have called Revival Radio TV, which my wife and I actually watch, and you do a good job with it. So how did you come up with that name?

 

·         Read the Strang Report: ‘Revival Man’ Sheds Light on Forgotten Revivals and How God is Moving Now

 

Gene Bailey: It actually started in 2015. We were having a real move of God at church there at Eagle Mountain Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Through the process. I spent some time with George Pearson who is the senior pastor there. We were talking about revivals. He had a lot of history that he remembered things that he can remember from his days with Oral (Roberts). We started comparing memorabilia and then we started comparing YouTube clips and all these videos. It really kind of ignited something in me. I thought, we need to show some of this stuff. So then, the idea was, let's do a radio program and put it on radio and just call it Revival Radio. It would be all about old clips of revival fires back then, and things that are going on now. I'm thinking we may do six, seven episodes and be done with it. So, we decided to record it. Then we decided to do much like you have set up right here, which is a table with some mics and, well, let's just set a camera up in the corner and we'll shoot it. I had a TV set from a program I did years ago, that I suddenly came back in possession of because I loaned it to another ministry. Pretty soon everything just grew. It became a television show, so we had to change the name from Revival Radio to Revival Radio and TV. That's how it really started. I really thought we might do 10-12 episodes and be done because really, how many revivals are there? I had to admit that was my thought. There's really not that much to cover. I knew about Wales and Azusa Street and I thought, well, there’s a few other things in there and I got out my Handbook of Revivals that, if you're good Pentecostal, you've got a copy of that somewhere. We started and, oh my goodness, the more we dove in, the more we started finding out things that were happening, things that happened in Russia when the curtain fell and when the wall came down. We started hearing stories, and it really took on a life of its own. I'm just honored to be a part because it has been amazing, the reach the program has had, how many people watch it. They get a copy or a link, which is wonderful. We're just thrilled to be a part.

 

Stephen Strang: I think what you're doing is very important, and I'm glad you're doing it. Most Christians and even most Americans don't know much about history. In the popular culture now there's even a lot of discussion of people don't remember about the founding fathers and all that. I know in my own lifetime, I was deeply impacted by the Jesus movement and the Charismatic movement. I'm interested on how few of the younger generation, other than maybe knowing that the names, they have like no concept of who some of these people are. They don't remember names like Derek Prince and Lester Summerall and people that you and I would remember. I know you well enough to know that there's an interesting story about how your own family came into the Charismatic movement in the 1960s. Tell me about it.

 

Gene Bailey: Growing up in Atlanta, Georgia, where I'm from, we were attending a denominational church and my parents made the mistake of getting baptized in the Holy Spirit, and that'll just mess you up. The church we were going to, they preached and taught a Sunday school class that said, Hey, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is for today. Church leadership said, no, it's not, and we'll see ya. So, we left and moved into visiting some other churches, and it's a long story. But what you're really referring to, I think, is what happened in my own family. We started having a Tuesday night prayer meeting. As a kid, my job was to destroy the house every Tuesday. I got home from school, and we had to rebuild it because we had to push the couches back and put up folding chairs because we had a split-level house and we had to make room. We had our main area, then we had our overflow downstairs where you could look up the stairs and see what was going on. It just took on a life of its own. It was just an amazing journey. People came and we ended up with over 60-70 people. It was a 2,500 square-foot home. There were people everywhere, they were sitting on the steps. There were people that would show up and they would knock on the door and open the door, and they'd say is this the place? For what? I don't know, God just sent me here. Well, come on in, and we would have it. The Jesus movement is happening. Now we're talking about the 1968, 1969, 1970. Things are growing. There was such an excitement and anticipation to see what is God going to do tonight. What are we going to hear? What are we going to see? What's going to happen? Is somebody going to get healed tonight? Of course, it grew and then became eventually became a church. That’s really my first touching of the charismatic world and understanding the signs, wonders and miracles of who Jesus really is.

 

Stephen Strang: Tell me what happened. Undoubtedly, there was some kind of worship some kind of teaching. Did you have the hot seat?

 

Gene Bailey: That's a really good question. We would always have a leader of some sort, and it was one time usually, a pastor, a missionary friend. But then it was always full of testimonies. That’s what we've kind of gotten away from is the power of giving a testimony of what God did in somebody's life. We’d have testimony time, and then there was always a time of prayer. Now, if my sister was sitting here in the room, she would probably pick on me you didn't pray in your seat. You had to get down on your knees. I learned as a kid, the way you pray is with your head in the couch cushion. You could go to sleep and be taken out, but you had to wake up before they said, amen. Unfortunately, there were times I would still be laying there in my praying position. The key is to always end with, In Jesus name, amen. So, it was great. It was a great season. Looking back, I didn't know what I was in the middle of. It wasn't long before you realized, wow, this was a move of God happening right in front of my eyes. I was a part of the Jesus Movement. I was there I was right in the middle of it. So, what a great thing to see God do and move and there was such an excitement. I say that word a lot because of what God was doing in all of Christianity. We didn't know what to do. When I say we, I'm talking about the church in general didn't really know what to do with all these kids coming in, young people in this massive turn back to Christ. It was a great time. It was also full of a lot of accidents and roadblocks and everything else. But when you look back, that was a true revival.

 

Stephen Strang: Well, this brings back memories. I thought of something. When you talk about people showing up on knocking at the door. Back in that era, I was a newspaper reporter and I'd always heard of Jamie Buckingham. I read some of his books and wanted to meet him. I was on assignment to Melbourne, Florida. I was there for several days and I thought I'm going to go to their midweek service. So, I called the church find out they didn't have a midweek service, they only had home groups. I decided to go to home group. Well, this was long before the days of GPS and I was lost driving around this neighborhood. I saw this car with a dove license tag. And I thought, they're going to the prayer meeting. So, I followed them. Sure enough, they went to the prayer meeting. It was in a home and there was a prayer like you're talking about. But I grew up as a Pentecostal. My grandparents actually came into the baptism Holy Spirit very, very early, around 1910. The revival started in Los Angeles at Azusa Street, and people came from all over to see what was happening to experience it. Then they took it back to different parts of the country. My grandparents actually lived in Kansas. I remember as a kid everybody kind of looked down at the Pentecostals because they would shout and raise their hands and they wouldn't act dignified. Then we started hearing about these Episcopalians receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and we'd hear about ministries like Kathryn Kuhlman, it's like what is happening? God is moving outside of Pentecostal circles. I want to talk about the revivals and even some of the revivals that you have covered on your TV program that you have studied. But why do you think we're not seeing that today, or are there revivals out there that just aren't really being covered? Because if they're out there, we want to cover them.

 

Gene Bailey: Well, it's at another really good question. I think the answer that is yes and no. There are pockets of revival. What you're seeing now, and unfortunately, I think in the church as a whole, we've grown insensitive. Been there done that in a familiarity like Mark 6 talks about. The reality is God's doing something, we just have to watch for it and look and get in the flow.  When that happens, there is stuff. Do we have another Pensacola happening right now? Not that I know of, but we don't know the different stages. It's funny. Not haha funny but interesting how, in this time of the Internet and all the social media that it's still hard to put your hands on stuff unless people talk about it. That is the difference. Remember, back in those days that we’re referring to, it was all word of mouth. We have this idea now that oh well, they'll cover that on Facebook, or they will they'll talk about that, or oh, you'll see that somewhere. We stopped talking to each other. Even the word of our testimony, it breeds faith in the iron sharpens iron that we need to tell people what's going on. Hey, did you see what's going on over in Wilmington, North Carolina, or in Tennessee, or in Kentucky or in Florida. We have to share that good news. We share with our family. If you want to change a nation, you don't start at the national level. You start at your local level, you start in your community, you start on your street, and we have to start spreading the gospel and talking about revivals and when God's doing something. Hey, if God has healed you of a cold, stand up and give a testimony. We've grown so insensitive to that, or we dismiss it or it was the cold medicine. We take God out of the picture. That's where we're missing it.

 

For the rest of Stephen’s interview with Gene Bailey, please visit cpnshows.com.

 

Connect with Gene Bailey

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

·         Revivalradiotv.com

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

Episode Notes

In Depth with

Stephen Strang

Guest: Gene Bailey

 

Why is it so easy to forget what God has done? The sad truth is that many Christians in the U.S. don't remember the great moves of God, even in the last century.

 

In this episode, host Stephen Strang interviews longtime friend, Gene Bailey, of Kenneth Copeland Ministries. Listen as Bailey reminding the church of amazing revivals that have shaped history and pointing to how God is moving now.

 

Introduction

Stephen Strang: Hello everyone. I'm Stephen Strang, and welcome to this edition of In Depth with Stephen Strang. My guest today is my longtime friend, Gene Bailey. He is one of the executives at Kenneth Copeland Ministries, but I have known him for many years since he also worked for Benny Hinn, and over the years we’ve become friends. Lately, among his other duties, he has started a very fascinating TV program that Joy and I watch at home called Revival Radio TV. It is a great program. I encourage you to watch it. You can see it on the Believers Voice of Victory Network. Gene was in the office not long ago. I asked him if he would sit and talk to me about his own story of coming into the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, the early days of the Charismatic Movement, and also the early days of Pentecost, and what God is doing. So, enjoy my interview with Gene Bailey of Revival Radio. The first thing I want to talk to you about is this TV program that you have called Revival Radio TV, which my wife and I actually watch, and you do a good job with it. So how did you come up with that name?

 

·         Read the Strang Report: ‘Revival Man’ Sheds Light on Forgotten Revivals and How God is Moving Now

 

Gene Bailey: It actually started in 2015. We were having a real move of God at church there at Eagle Mountain Church in Fort Worth, Texas. Through the process. I spent some time with George Pearson who is the senior pastor there. We were talking about revivals. He had a lot of history that he remembered things that he can remember from his days with Oral (Roberts). We started comparing memorabilia and then we started comparing YouTube clips and all these videos. It really kind of ignited something in me. I thought, we need to show some of this stuff. So then, the idea was, let's do a radio program and put it on radio and just call it Revival Radio. It would be all about old clips of revival fires back then, and things that are going on now. I'm thinking we may do six, seven episodes and be done with it. So, we decided to record it. Then we decided to do much like you have set up right here, which is a table with some mics and, well, let's just set a camera up in the corner and we'll shoot it. I had a TV set from a program I did years ago, that I suddenly came back in possession of because I loaned it to another ministry. Pretty soon everything just grew. It became a television show, so we had to change the name from Revival Radio to Revival Radio and TV. That's how it really started. I really thought we might do 10-12 episodes and be done because really, how many revivals are there? I had to admit that was my thought. There's really not that much to cover. I knew about Wales and Azusa Street and I thought, well, there’s a few other things in there and I got out my Handbook of Revivals that, if you're good Pentecostal, you've got a copy of that somewhere. We started and, oh my goodness, the more we dove in, the more we started finding out things that were happening, things that happened in Russia when the curtain fell and when the wall came down. We started hearing stories, and it really took on a life of its own. I'm just honored to be a part because it has been amazing, the reach the program has had, how many people watch it. They get a copy or a link, which is wonderful. We're just thrilled to be a part.

 

Stephen Strang: I think what you're doing is very important, and I'm glad you're doing it. Most Christians and even most Americans don't know much about history. In the popular culture now there's even a lot of discussion of people don't remember about the founding fathers and all that. I know in my own lifetime, I was deeply impacted by the Jesus movement and the Charismatic movement. I'm interested on how few of the younger generation, other than maybe knowing that the names, they have like no concept of who some of these people are. They don't remember names like Derek Prince and Lester Summerall and people that you and I would remember. I know you well enough to know that there's an interesting story about how your own family came into the Charismatic movement in the 1960s. Tell me about it.

 

Gene Bailey: Growing up in Atlanta, Georgia, where I'm from, we were attending a denominational church and my parents made the mistake of getting baptized in the Holy Spirit, and that'll just mess you up. The church we were going to, they preached and taught a Sunday school class that said, Hey, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is for today. Church leadership said, no, it's not, and we'll see ya. So, we left and moved into visiting some other churches, and it's a long story. But what you're really referring to, I think, is what happened in my own family. We started having a Tuesday night prayer meeting. As a kid, my job was to destroy the house every Tuesday. I got home from school, and we had to rebuild it because we had to push the couches back and put up folding chairs because we had a split-level house and we had to make room. We had our main area, then we had our overflow downstairs where you could look up the stairs and see what was going on. It just took on a life of its own. It was just an amazing journey. People came and we ended up with over 60-70 people. It was a 2,500 square-foot home. There were people everywhere, they were sitting on the steps. There were people that would show up and they would knock on the door and open the door, and they'd say is this the place? For what? I don't know, God just sent me here. Well, come on in, and we would have it. The Jesus movement is happening. Now we're talking about the 1968, 1969, 1970. Things are growing. There was such an excitement and anticipation to see what is God going to do tonight. What are we going to hear? What are we going to see? What's going to happen? Is somebody going to get healed tonight? Of course, it grew and then became eventually became a church. That’s really my first touching of the charismatic world and understanding the signs, wonders and miracles of who Jesus really is.

 

Stephen Strang: Tell me what happened. Undoubtedly, there was some kind of worship some kind of teaching. Did you have the hot seat?

 

Gene Bailey: That's a really good question. We would always have a leader of some sort, and it was one time usually, a pastor, a missionary friend. But then it was always full of testimonies. That’s what we've kind of gotten away from is the power of giving a testimony of what God did in somebody's life. We’d have testimony time, and then there was always a time of prayer. Now, if my sister was sitting here in the room, she would probably pick on me you didn't pray in your seat. You had to get down on your knees. I learned as a kid, the way you pray is with your head in the couch cushion. You could go to sleep and be taken out, but you had to wake up before they said, amen. Unfortunately, there were times I would still be laying there in my praying position. The key is to always end with, In Jesus name, amen. So, it was great. It was a great season. Looking back, I didn't know what I was in the middle of. It wasn't long before you realized, wow, this was a move of God happening right in front of my eyes. I was a part of the Jesus Movement. I was there I was right in the middle of it. So, what a great thing to see God do and move and there was such an excitement. I say that word a lot because of what God was doing in all of Christianity. We didn't know what to do. When I say we, I'm talking about the church in general didn't really know what to do with all these kids coming in, young people in this massive turn back to Christ. It was a great time. It was also full of a lot of accidents and roadblocks and everything else. But when you look back, that was a true revival.

 

Stephen Strang: Well, this brings back memories. I thought of something. When you talk about people showing up on knocking at the door. Back in that era, I was a newspaper reporter and I'd always heard of Jamie Buckingham. I read some of his books and wanted to meet him. I was on assignment to Melbourne, Florida. I was there for several days and I thought I'm going to go to their midweek service. So, I called the church find out they didn't have a midweek service, they only had home groups. I decided to go to home group. Well, this was long before the days of GPS and I was lost driving around this neighborhood. I saw this car with a dove license tag. And I thought, they're going to the prayer meeting. So, I followed them. Sure enough, they went to the prayer meeting. It was in a home and there was a prayer like you're talking about. But I grew up as a Pentecostal. My grandparents actually came into the baptism Holy Spirit very, very early, around 1910. The revival started in Los Angeles at Azusa Street, and people came from all over to see what was happening to experience it. Then they took it back to different parts of the country. My grandparents actually lived in Kansas. I remember as a kid everybody kind of looked down at the Pentecostals because they would shout and raise their hands and they wouldn't act dignified. Then we started hearing about these Episcopalians receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and we'd hear about ministries like Kathryn Kuhlman, it's like what is happening? God is moving outside of Pentecostal circles. I want to talk about the revivals and even some of the revivals that you have covered on your TV program that you have studied. But why do you think we're not seeing that today, or are there revivals out there that just aren't really being covered? Because if they're out there, we want to cover them.

 

Gene Bailey: Well, it's at another really good question. I think the answer that is yes and no. There are pockets of revival. What you're seeing now, and unfortunately, I think in the church as a whole, we've grown insensitive. Been there done that in a familiarity like Mark 6 talks about. The reality is God's doing something, we just have to watch for it and look and get in the flow.  When that happens, there is stuff. Do we have another Pensacola happening right now? Not that I know of, but we don't know the different stages. It's funny. Not haha funny but interesting how, in this time of the Internet and all the social media that it's still hard to put your hands on stuff unless people talk about it. That is the difference. Remember, back in those days that we’re referring to, it was all word of mouth. We have this idea now that oh well, they'll cover that on Facebook, or they will they'll talk about that, or oh, you'll see that somewhere. We stopped talking to each other. Even the word of our testimony, it breeds faith in the iron sharpens iron that we need to tell people what's going on. Hey, did you see what's going on over in Wilmington, North Carolina, or in Tennessee, or in Kentucky or in Florida. We have to share that good news. We share with our family. If you want to change a nation, you don't start at the national level. You start at your local level, you start in your community, you start on your street, and we have to start spreading the gospel and talking about revivals and when God's doing something. Hey, if God has healed you of a cold, stand up and give a testimony. We've grown so insensitive to that, or we dismiss it or it was the cold medicine. We take God out of the picture. That's where we're missing it.

 

For the rest of Stephen’s interview with Gene Bailey, please visit cpnshows.com.

 

Connect with Gene Bailey

·         On Facebook

·         On Twitter

·         Revivalradiotv.com

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

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In Depth with Gene Bailey: Forgotten Revivals and How God Is Moving Now (Ep. 3)