"Leadership, Servanthood & Toxic Kings: w/ Pas. Sharon Witton & Dr Scott Hagan" S1 Ep17

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It's been said that great leaders don't set out to be a leader.

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They set out to make a difference.

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It's never been about the role.

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It's about the goal.

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Ours is a time of crisis and in our day the true test of leadership is how well you function

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in that crisis.

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In this episode of Keeping 100 we have a conversation about tapping into your inner leader with

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not just one but two pivotal world changers.

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Hey everyone this is Christa and Sean.

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Welcome to a new episode of Keep It 100.

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Hey what's the dizzle, what's the deal?

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Today we are bringing you a memorable episode on transformational leadership.

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Get ready Keep It 100 tribe you are going to hear from a couple of world class leaders

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and dear friends of ours.

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Okay so Sean I think you and I can both agree we have had an interesting few weeks.

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Interesting is the operative word here.

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Yes we both got tested for COVID where they stick that long swab through your nose up

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into your brain and then stick it down your throat till you go into gag reflux overload

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and as we weighed it with anticipation for a couple days yours came back negative.

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But mine came back positive.

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Boo.

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Yes y'all I got the rona.

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Oh you had the rona.

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I had the rona thank you.

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You know it's funny because it can be particularly stressful because it's hard to predict how

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things would develop.

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I had a fever but I didn't know where it was going.

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Right.

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I didn't have a respiratory thing.

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I didn't know if a respiratory thing would happen and these are things that you just

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can't control in this situation and the other thing you can't control include the actions

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and reactions of other people.

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It's so true if you say the word COVID I mean it really is a fear trigger to so many people

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so it's like you're not sure whether to say oh I have it I don't have it.

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Yes it's almost like kind of the modern version of saying you had leprosy and people would

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just get away from you.

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And it's so true because we had to go into isolation.

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I mean we instantly went into quarantine and we could not leave the house.

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I mean I'm having groceries delivered like we literally did not leave the house for 14

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days which we were doing that before we even got the results because we just wanted to

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be wise we wanted to be safe and you know glad we did.

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And the truth is that social isolation has actually become one of the biggest problems

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for mental health.

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It's such a challenge that so many people are facing in this crisis today.

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So true and we're you know we're creatures of habit so disruptions to our usual routine

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can add stress to an already challenging time.

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Can I get an amen?

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But maybe disruptions are the point of this.

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Times of disruption calls forth a new breed of believers which I believe heaven must first

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disrupt their leadership so that they will pivot and this is the season of the pivot.

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It really is the season of the pivot and you know speaking of pivoting it really is no

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longer okay for the leader to just manage the event.

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A leader's job now is to manage transition.

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We are right in the middle of transition and you know the keep it one hundred tribe.

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We mentioned that we have two interviews today with two world class leaders and we're going

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to begin with this first one with pastor Sharon Witton.

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She is such an incredible leader.

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Her and her husband Brynden are the lead pastors of Toronto City Church.

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Her desire is for the church to walk in a deep intimacy and freedom in God but she also

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has a passion for creative arts to impact the church and the nation and I tell you what

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I can tell you firsthand this woman does everything with excellence.

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Her husband have navigated this time both personally as well as the body of Christ.

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They have led the transition so well.

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Sharon welcome to the keep it one hundred podcast.

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Awesome.

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I'm so happy to be here.

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Thanks for having me.

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Are you kidding?

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You're such a powerhouse of a woman and I want people to be exposed to just the well

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that you walk in with the Lord.

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So if it's okay we're just going to dive right in.

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I'm going to ask you some questions because I want to pick your brain because you're

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so good at wisdom how did you discover Sharon you were a leader.

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Well it's interesting.

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I don't think anybody ever wakes up one day and they're like I'm a leader you know they

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feel like all their leadership capacity but I would definitely say there are a couple

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of things that over the journey I've come to recognize you know my leadership capacity.

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Growing up I was that kid that was a self starter and a dreamer.

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I always thought about life bigger than life you know the capacity that people had to do

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some stuff and you know live their best life and you know I credit that to parents that

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you know modeled success well success in God and so I was always the kid just thought you

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know me plus God equals big and I was just kind of like let's go for it you know and

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I was also a self starter so I kind of was the person who didn't wait for others to jump

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in but I kind of jumped in myself.

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My mom tells the story about how her and my dad went away for vacation and left me with

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my grandma and came back and I had like potty trained myself you know.

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Oh my word.

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So you were truly from the beginning of life a self starter.

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Yeah you know so I think at an early age I kind of was like you know there's more to

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life than the sorrows and the things that aren't working let's go for it you know.

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So I think leadership started a little bit around that time where I kind of saw myself

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at the front of the pack and telling everybody let's go here you know and then I think another

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thing was just discovering my capacity to lead and this may sound quite strange but

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in the middle of trial you know I grew up.

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It's so good and true.

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Right.

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Like I grew up with a brother who was sickly who's on the verge of death pretty much every

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year and we were in and out of hospitals and learning to overcome and then realizing

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and finding myself in these situations where people would sit down with me and one-on-one

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conversations and be like how are you doing how are you surviving you know tell us your

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secret like what's going on.

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So finding myself influencing others in the middle of trial in the middle of me you know

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that's good Sharon.

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So I would definitely say that and then the last thing I would say in terms of discovering

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my capacity as a leader and once again you know you don't just wake up one day you have

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these moments of life.

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Right.

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So I would be in serving you know I found myself serving community church community mission

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field serving you know giants in the faith traveling with different ones and in the place

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of serving discovering my own capacity and discovering myself and being trusted by mentors

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with responsibility that in turn made me realize wow like I can actually do this I can lead

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people I can influence people as they entrusted me with you know some of their situations

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and circumstances.

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So yeah I think serving.

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So good.

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Yeah in the middle of serving and out of challenge and then just me being me and saying hey come

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on life is you know more than this little thing over here let's live let's live life

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to its best.

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So I love that and I've seen all of that in you as being your friend and I love your

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ability you have such a God given ability to gather.

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You're such a gather people want to be around you and you make everyone feel like family

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and I think that's such a key and your hospitality is off the charts of just your ability to

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welcome and bring people into your world and bring people into your space and they have

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a place within that.

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That's such incredible leadership because everyone feels like they belong when they're

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with you.

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So I love that.

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So what you've said is that's super powerful.

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All right here's another question for you and I think this is key because of what God

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is doing with women right now.

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What's really the greatest lesson you've learned as a woman in leadership.

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The greatest lesson so many lessons.

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Right.

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Women like just being a woman like there's just so much pressure in general and then

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you add leadership on top of that.

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Yes.

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Just so many points to learn so many things.

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I think one of the biggest things and lessons that I've learned in leadership I'll say it

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this way is just staying in my lane and learning to drive at the speed that I was created to

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drive at.

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Break that down because that is so good.

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Yeah.

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Staying in my lane and literally part of that is and I'll add this to is listening to the

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Holy Spirit as if I were listening to Siri listening to directions.

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Left go right.

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Right.

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I would definitely say that there's so many challenges to live under or in the expectation

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of others or false expectations that we put on ourself and it causes us to crash the cars

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of our life.

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Literally the car, you know, if our life in the car were deemed like identity and authenticity

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and purpose, like we literally crash those daily when we live in a place of living out

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life under other people's expectations.

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And I think that I just got fed up after a while and I was just like, you know what?

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God created me a certain way with giftings, with certain talents, with quirks, with creativity

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and I've got a lane to drive.

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And even as I drive in that lane, you know, it's one thing to find the lane that you're

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called to and then it's another thing to be free to drive at the speed.

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I love that.

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That God would have for you.

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And I love that.

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And that's another struggle that I've gone through, which is, oh, I'm going to drive

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slow because I don't want anybody to be uncomfortable with me or, you know, I may be too loud.

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It may be, you know, all these different things.

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And I just have learned that over the years that God made me the way he made me, you know,

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when he wanted me to drive at a certain level and that it's okay and it's needed, you know?

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And it's interesting.

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I think a lot of us as women, we're faced with the potential of jealousy and envy and

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comparison and all these different things.

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But I think one of the other damaging factors is just the expectations we place on ourselves

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that were never there, you know, that were never placed on us to live a certain way,

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lead a certain way, do a certain thing.

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And yeah, I think we just got to break past those things and just grow our own garden

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and just allow it to flourish to great heights and depths.

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I love that.

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I think another thing that I would say that I've learned as a great lesson.

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Yeah, these are probably the two top, Christa, probably the two top, that it's okay for,

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it's not just okay for my voice to be heard, but it's needed and it's necessary.

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Sharon, mic drop, mic drop.

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Thank you Christa, I think, and honestly, I feel like I've learned a lot of this even

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from you and just watching you like freely be who you are, that it's okay, but it's not

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just okay.

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It's needed.

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I love that.

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I love that.

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Absolutely needed.

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And it's kind of like, you know, how the Bible talks about David served the purposes of

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God and his generation.

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It's like we as women were created for this generation that we exist in and our voices

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were created to be heard.

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Come on.

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So just being free to just be that voice unapologetic and just run with all that God has and wants

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to use my life for.

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I love that.

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And that last point, all of it was so strong and so profound.

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I think for me, you know, I shared a message kind of recently and it was at a church in

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North Carolina and I was talking about a prophetic word that I felt like the Lord was

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giving the church and it was at a women's conference and it was about calling the women

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of God forth and I don't have time to break it all down, but I said something in the middle

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of my sermon that I hadn't necessarily formulated prior to the Holy Spirit just ministering

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through me.

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You know those moments where all of a sudden it comes out of you and I felt the anointing

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of God and the statement was this, I've called my daughters not just to take up space in

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a room because so many times as women, we don't want to take up space.

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It's more comfortable to play it small or to not outshine someone, but a leader, we're

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talking about leadership, right?

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If you're a leader, you're going to take up space.

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We need you to take up space.

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Yeah.

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And they're confirming our voice and we need you to speak up and not only speak up, we

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need you to release the roar of God.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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And as a leader, I loved it because you hit the non-conformity thing, which a lot of times

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we don't talk about that in leadership.

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There comes a point, I believe every person, if you're going to walk in the greatness of

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the leader within you, there has to be a place where you stop caring about what anyone thinks

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and you start living who God called you to be.

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And you understand you will take up space, you will be seen and you should be seen and

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you should take up space and you need to be heard because we need it.

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Absolutely.

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And so that statement that you made to me is such a bullseye statement of, I believe

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what God is doing with women right now, where we're kind of shaking off learned behaviors

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and false responsibility.

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And we're really learning to embrace who we are, our sound and actually the space we

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take up because so much of our lives, it's like, look nice, be quiet, this, that or the

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other.

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And it's like, God's like, no, no, I created you to influence it.

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Influence takes up space.

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Come on.

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Influence has a sound.

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And so I love that.

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I just love that you brought that because that to me is so powerful.

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And it's so freeing, right?

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Like it's so freeing.

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When you take up your space, when you released your sound, it just frees other people to

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be authentically themselves.

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And it's just like, I think so many women creep around feeling like, can I, is it okay?

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Is it okay?

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They're looking for permission and come on, say that female leaders, we just got to go

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ahead and give permission to ourselves, obviously primarily, but then to others just to be, to

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be in to take up that space.

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I totally agree with you.

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So I've shared this with our listeners before.

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It wasn't until I was 22 years old that I saw a female preach and prophesy.

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And by spending her at 22, which is actually quite older to be seeing that finally for

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the first time, but I did.

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And that for me was such a permission giver because I was like, oh my word, it's my gender.

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I'm seeing her do what I want to do.

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And from that moment on, by seeing it, we're giving permission.

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That's why it is so important.

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Like you just said that women step into who we're called to be because a generation is

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watching us of women.

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Absolutely.

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We're modeling leadership.

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We're modeling influence and we're modeling what it is to be a woman of God in this hour

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at this time and giving permission to the generation behind us and beyond.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I totally agree with you.

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I'm getting stoked and excited just listening to you.

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Well, I feel the same about you.

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I love it.

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All right.

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I have one final question because I just love what you're bringing today.

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It's just so strong.

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One of the great experts in leadership, we all know him, John Maxwell.

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He said that all leadership is influence.

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We have a cry among a generation.

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They want to be influencers, but they've not taken into account the responsibility of leadership.

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How would you speak to that?

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Yeah, I would totally agree.

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John Maxwell, once again, amazing leadership coach, amazing.

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Totally agree with that statement.

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It's true.

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We live in a generation like I can think of millennials, Gen Z, just everybody existing

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where there's such a desire for influence and maybe the desire is not just influence,

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but maybe it's more for popularity and the perks of popularity.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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Where it's like, how many likes can I get?

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It's maybe a feeling of wanting to be seen and heard and for others to listen to what

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one says.

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I feel like there's a very stark difference between influence and leadership, influence,

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leadership, responsibility, and popularity.

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The cost of leadership is steep.

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We both know this.

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We live this life where there's so many aspects to leadership that I don't feel like those

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who primarily pursue influence even know or even think through.

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In fact, when there's an explanation of those things or where there's an understanding of

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those things, some of those things could be like the cost of leadership, like let's say

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persevering or overturning or learning to follow well and learning to lead well.

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There's not a real understanding of that.

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When those things come, people who pursue just influence tend to lean away from that,

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not lean into it, recognizing that it's part of the growth process.

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It's interesting.

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My husband would often say that for those who pursue influence, they are the same people

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that would struggle with leadership.

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If you pursue servant leadership, influence comes.

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I'll keep it 100 tribe.

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You need to catch that.

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Can you say that one more time?

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Because that is it, Sharon.

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It's just this thing of pursuing influence does not make you a great leader.

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Often you will struggle with leadership.

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If you pursue true biblical leadership, which is servant leadership, then influence comes

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as a result of that.

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I often feel like we live in a generation that doesn't have the right focuses and not

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that it's a celebrity.

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It's looking for celebrity status or popularity, but there's definitely that involved.

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I really feel like God's wanting to bring us back to this whole thing of servant leadership.

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There's a cost involved in that.

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There is responsibility.

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As well as I do, there are hard days.

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There's days where you're lonely, you're forerunning, you're pioneering.

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That's not glamorous.

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It's not popular.

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In order to lead well, you can't follow the crowd.

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I think a lot of times with influencers, it's like they want to be the life of the party

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and the crowd.

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Everybody, we're there.

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But leadership often is a bit of a lonely road where you're standing out in front of

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everybody else and you're not following the crowd.

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In fact, you're especially, as believers, we're asking the crowd to consider a different

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way.

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Those would be my thoughts on that.

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I have a lot.

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I love, love, love what you just said.

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The reality is so many people quote, quote, influence, want to be an influencer.

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They did a survey and I don't have the statistics, but I would say the majority of the Gen Z and

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that younger generation, one of the common ambitions with their life is to be like an

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influencer.

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They view it on social media and whatnot.

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It's actually considered a career path for many of them.

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The reality is you nailed it on the head.

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You said it so well and I love that you brought the word popularity into the conversation because

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influence is not popular, leadership is not popularity.

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I'm talking about influence connected with impact.

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We want to make impact.

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We're not trying to just be popular.

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Anything leader knows, you have to let the ego and your reputation go if you're going

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to be a leader and especially one that stands for God in times like we're in today.

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You cannot be worried about your reputation.

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You cannot be worried about your popularity because people's opinions are so fickle.

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One day they love you.

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The next day they do not.

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The reality is you just have to, as a leader, really have your roots rooted and grounded

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in who God's called you to be.

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When that has happened, that's when you're actually going to tap into the leader within

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you.

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If you're paid by man's opinion, you and I both know you will cave on your convictions

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because you're rooted in popularity.

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Sharon.

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It's funny too, I was just going to say this, that as a leader, you face a lot of criticism.

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You know, often I think many leader coaches would say this, that you're often leading

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people to places that they do not want to go and after you take them there, they'll thank

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you.

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They're hating it.

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They're hating it.

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Right.

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And that requires a totally different skill set and a bag of grit that's different than

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just wanting to be an influencer.

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So yeah, it's an interesting thought process.

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So good.

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Definitely.

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Sharon, what a gift you are to the body of Christ.

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What a gift you are to all of us who get to call you friend.

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And we're just so grateful for you and just for the life you've chosen because you're

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such an incredible leader.

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You and I are impacting Toronto and beyond and I love what you carry.

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So thank you.

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I know that Keep It One, Had A Tribe, the ones that are listening are impacted by the wisdom

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that you just dropped.

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I love this conversation.

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Love you my dear friend.

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Oh, well thank you so much for having me.

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It was a ball.

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Thank you.

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Wow.

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That woman is fired.

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There were nuggets being dropped left and right.

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Sharon and Brendan are actually great examples of how healthy leaders create a healthy culture,

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but on the opposite end, toxic leadership creates toxic cultures.

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We've seen in recent abuses of power and politics, the corporate business world, and even the

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religious arena, we've seen the fallen side of leadership and some of that unhealthy leadership

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has led to the toxicity of modern culture.

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You know, we really want to talk today not just about leadership on the positive.

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We actually want to talk about leadership on the toxic side of it.

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There's three characteristics that we believe kind of are real red flags, their signs, and

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even symptoms of toxic leadership.

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Number one, toxic leadership is when it's autocratic domineering, which means the leader

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will make decisions based on their own judgment and rarely accept feedback from those that

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they lead.

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They don't allow disagreement or feedback, and they typically want yes people all around

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them.

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Wow.

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And because they lead, and the people they lead are often afraid to give their opinion

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or feedback, because there's been negative backlash when they have done it, server one

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is silent and quiet and not quick to give their opinion because it's been a negative

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experience when they do so.

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And I've seen this, you know, if you don't agree with the leader 100%, you're then pushed

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to the outer circle.

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You were once in the inner circle, you voice an opinion or give some feedback that is contrary

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to that leader's vision.

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My, my, my.

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And you're instantly pushed to the outer circle.

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You no longer have a seat at the table.

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And here's truth.

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Healthy leadership actually allows and encourages diversity and they aren't threatened by feedback

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and disagreement.

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But that's a culture that's within the leadership system you're a part of or the leadership

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that you're facilitating.

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That's toxic leadership.

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Hashtag facts right there.

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You know, there's a great example of that in the Bible.

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The first king of Israel was King Saul.

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And King Saul represented toxic leadership that he became jealous of David.

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As David was receiving favor of the Lord.

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And if you will, in King Saul's reign, his worship leader was David.

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He ended up throwing spears at David.

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And when you start to get jealous of the people you're calling to lead, then all of a sudden

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it's pretty evident that you have an autocratic domineering leadership.

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The second characteristic of toxic leadership is that they demand from others what they

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don't demand from themselves.

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And many times you'll see that there are certain leaders that they'll preach sermons that

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they will apply to the parishioners, but they're not applying it to their own lives.

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And they often have destructive behaviors that begin to emerge and they perpetuate dysfunctional

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constructs in the systems that they're leading.

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Healthy leadership begins with self leadership.

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And this involves leading yourself first.

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Remember, one of the fruits of the spirit is self control.

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A leader's ultimate responsibility is to be led by the spirit.

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That is so good.

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The third characteristic that we believe is a sign of toxic leadership is when a leader

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is insecure and they don't want those around them to shine more than them.

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Friends, this is huge because leadership is not about being in charge, but about taking

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care of those that are in your charge.

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The truth is competition and comparison cannot be a part of our leadership structure or our

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leadership style.

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I believe truly the healthiest leaders are ones that are trying to push those beyond

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their own personal limitations or achievements.

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And when people are toxic, they're quickly trying to push those around them down instead

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of pushing them forward.

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And I think it's so important for us to understand toxic leadership is one that limits.

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It's not one that releases.

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One of the healthiest leaders I know, and this guy definitely is a guy that wants others

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to shine more than him, is my great friend, Dr. Scott Hagan.

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Scott has had the honor of training top US Black Hawk pilot stationed at Hunter Airbase

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in Savannah, Georgia.

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He is also the author of the language of influence 500 Insights for Life in Leading.

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So listen up, Keeper 100 Tribe, as we go on to our interview with Scott Hagan.

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We have over three decades of friendship going.

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Our sons were college roommates.

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My great friend Scott Hagan is the president of North Central University.

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He holds his doctorate in leadership from Gonzaga University.

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He's one of the finest, greatest leaders I know.

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Scott, welcome to Keeper 100.

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No, Sean, thank you so much for the overstatement there.

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But what you did not overstate is the depth of our love and friendship, man, almost three

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decades over.

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I think it's over 30 years now.

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It is over 30.

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That we've watched each other go from young men to older, more seasoned men.

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Sure love you, man.

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So now, Scott, you're a phenomenal leader.

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I mean, I'd say world-class.

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And I see that as a friend.

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I see that person in senior life close to you.

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You really embrace the dealings of the Lord, leaders in many respects.

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And I want you to answer this question.

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But leaders, many times they have a unique process to come into their leadership.

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So I want to ask you and you feel free to take it whatever direction you want, Scott.

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But in your estimation, is a leader born or made?

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I believe they are discovered.

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And what I mean by that is it's self-discover.

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You discover the leadership burden or fire in yourself.

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Or for most of us, somebody recognized something on us or in us.

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And the day that somebody recognizes your potential is one of the greatest days of your

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life.

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It's usually someone older that begins to open the door.

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There's the smile that comes from someone older to you that means it's different than

480
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,640
when a peer smiles at you.

481
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,840
When somebody that has lived their life, sees your potential.

482
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,120
I mean, I can go back.

483
00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:57,600
I tell young people all the time.

484
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,600
That's why you never burn bridges with older people.

485
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,920
Because my peers gave me speaking engagements, but older people open the doors.

486
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,280
And so it's when that smile comes from the older to the younger and they notice something

487
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,720
about your potential.

488
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,440
That's usually when the discovery of leadership starts to happen.

489
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,960
That is so good.

490
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,480
Because I see it today.

491
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,200
I think, perhaps we haven't seen a generational divide like this since the 60s.

492
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,560
That kind of hippie generation in terms of kind of divide between them and the generation

493
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,600
that matured with the decision makers.

494
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,600
But I kind of see it again.

495
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,080
There's this gap between kind of the millennial boomers.

496
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280
And it is so easy to kind of write off older people.

497
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,480
But to your point, those are the ones that open doors for you.

498
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Yeah.

499
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,200
And it really is that, I call it the collision between the proven life and the promising life.

500
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,440
And when the proven and the promising collide and that transaction takes place, that's where

501
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,800
education happens.

502
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,320
That's where opportunity emerges.

503
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,880
You have to have the proven life intersecting with the promising life.

504
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,160
And if you cut out all the proven lives because through ageism you put them into this older

505
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,600
category, you're not shooting yourself in the foot, you're shooting yourself in the

506
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,480
head because you are sealing the fate of closed doors in your life because it's the

507
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,280
proven lives that will open up the doors for the promising life.

508
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,240
How old were you, Scott, when you began to discover and maybe even some seasoned voices

509
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,720
begin to identify a unique level of leadership in your life?

510
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,480
I grew tall when I was young.

511
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,600
So I had people naturally look at a tall person and says, you know, there's something about

512
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,600
you.

513
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Well, you're just kind of tall.

514
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,600
You're a skinny kid.

515
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,560
But I would say in high school, I started to realize I could, I wasn't following the

516
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Lord, but I remember being on the team bus and making everybody laugh and telling stories.

517
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,880
And I was a freshman and the seniors were listening to me tell stories and they would

518
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,640
say, hey, hey, can tell a story.

519
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,360
And so then the bus would all turn the cheerleaders, all the varsity would come back and I'd have

520
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,240
to tell a story of some kind.

521
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,960
And I started noticing that I enjoyed that, the feedback, the interaction.

522
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,960
In its crude stage, that was the first glimpse of the gifting of storytelling of narrative.

523
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,880
But then when I was in college, went there to play basketball, I started to have serious

524
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,040
people say serious things over my life when I was about 17, 18, 19.

525
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,680
Oh, that is so good.

526
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,560
Who were some of the early voices that kind of began to call out leadership that impacted

527
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,560
your life?

528
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,560
One of them just passed away.

529
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,160
He was the pastor of a great church in San Jose, Charles Crabtree.

530
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,000
He gave me my first chance when I was 20.

531
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,200
I remember we were interviewing busy restaurant and he just stared at me for about a minute.

532
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,240
He was trying to discern whether to give this young guy a shot as the part-time junior

533
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,440
high director of his church at 20.

534
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,040
And the trajectory of my whole life changed at that stare, that glance that he was just

535
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,720
kind of discerning, should I do this?

536
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,480
And whatever reason, he said, I want to give you a chance to do this.

537
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,240
And there were other ones, coaches were huge, Sean.

538
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,480
My athletic coaches in high school and then college, I played college basketball, small

539
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Christian school.

540
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,840
They saw something in me and would pull me aside.

541
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,360
In the season and the times that we live in, obviously they're very turbulent, times are

542
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,360
changing.

543
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,960
It used to be that you could get used to something in American culture and you could maybe count

544
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,560
on it being there at the decade.

545
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:05,520
We used to say the 80s or the 90s or the 70s, but now things are shifting and changing.

546
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,960
In the midst of it, Scott, what makes for great leadership in these times?

547
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680
First of all, recognizing the shift and the drift.

548
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,040
It is funny because I was born in 62, started, I remember the 70s and 80s, and they were

549
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,240
talking about the 1800s.

550
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,960
It was just a block, no space, like 1860, no, it was just 1800s.

551
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,720
Now in 2020, I talk about the 1900s.

552
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,920
So we are becoming this fading entity of experiences.

553
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:38,200
So the present day, Sean, it's all about a leader's ability to turn anguish into action.

554
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,680
We have people who are filled with anguish and that anguish has no outlet.

555
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,680
It has nowhere to go.

556
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,880
We understand as Kingdom men and women of God that we've got to call people.

557
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,280
Even though we're all on the same ship, I was telling you yesterday that it's like Paul

558
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,280
on the ship.

559
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,760
You had the Roman soldiers, you had politics, you had Jesus shows up, angels, prophecies.

560
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,440
We're all on the same boat.

561
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,840
Prisoners and freemen, Romans and Jews, we're all on the same boat right now in the same

562
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,840
storm.

563
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,280
But the Lord is intimate with Paul as he was down in the bowels of that ship and out of

564
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,280
that intimacy.

565
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,960
He still had a message in the storm for his fellow shipmates, even though he hadn't eaten

566
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,320
for 14 days, he hadn't seen the sun for 14 days.

567
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Everybody was feeling it.

568
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,200
He broke from the pack and was still able to give direction and action in the midst

569
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,960
of that storm and anguish.

570
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,160
That's the leader that God is looking for right now.

571
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Wow.

572
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:31,120
We're here in Minneapolis and this was a place where George Floyd, that tragic murder that

573
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
took place in the situation.

574
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,600
You were presented with a call as to hear the university host George Floyd's funeral.

575
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,480
And I think of leadership in the midst of having to bring different types of people,

576
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,040
different scenario together.

577
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,840
But in the midst of that, did you feel was the greatest challenge as you were open up

578
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600
in prayer for that service, but you hosted it.

579
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,960
You guys had to do that within a very short time span.

580
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,960
Yes.

581
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,200
And I think for all of us who've been in leadership, our gut is to say, hey, say something impressive,

582
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,800
say something important.

583
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,880
That's not what was happening.

584
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,640
I really believe the Holy Spirit has led, was leading my life because you're playing

585
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,320
high speed three-dimensional chess in split second timing.

586
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,840
You're not thinking about the ramifications.

587
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,360
You're not counting the costs.

588
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,880
You are just reacting.

589
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Much like that story, second Kings, Elisha finds out the man has died, the sons are

590
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,560
being sold and the wife brings that crisis to Elisha.

591
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,960
And Elisha says the foremost important words I think in the Old Testament, he says, how

592
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,960
can I help?

593
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,200
He didn't say, how can I prophesy?

594
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,200
How can I lead?

595
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,280
He said, how can I help?

596
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:40,200
So alleviating suffering, setting a table of healing, just being a pastor in the pain

597
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
lane, not the political lane.

598
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,200
Even though all the political theater was all around, staying in that place of ministering

599
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,440
to pain and being, simplifying the good Samaritan, staying on the right side of the street.

600
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,040
I remember my mentor, Charles Crabtree, told me, love those in faraway nations, but also

601
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,520
love the outcast across the street.

602
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,480
He said, now understand, if you go to help them, he said, always be first, but understand

603
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400
people on the other side of the street will not be happy with you.

604
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,720
So I gained great confidence in faith because of scripture and the stories.

605
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,280
But it was a dynamic moment to serve the family.

606
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,680
We had a hundred million people checking on that funeral, two billion social media engagements.

607
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,600
So the eyes of the earth was in that moment.

608
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,080
But again, doing it, the scholarship for George, all of that turned anguish into action and

609
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920
it changed the narrative to a peaceful one.

610
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,920
Wow.

611
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,920
I mean, it was truly amazing.

612
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,640
And I got a chance to catch you, Scott.

613
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,240
You did such a phenomenal job.

614
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,000
And that, I think any communicator, you put yourself in a position and you go, oh, that's

615
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
a tight road.

616
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,840
And that's difficult to be able to speak because we live in such a day of, in social media,

617
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,520
where instantaneously people would take little things you say and it can be twisted out of

618
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,240
context and before you know it, you're in the midst of massive damage control.

619
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,040
The cool thing too, Scott, and I love this, is you're truly a kingdom man.

620
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,960
And one of the things that I've noticed over the years, even though we're talking about

621
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:02,280
leadership, I think this is very much leadership.

622
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,560
People, you probably realize it, maybe you don't, but Scott Hagen is a white, mighty

623
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:13,000
man of God and in the midst of it, at his various posts, he's always been an advocate

624
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,280
for people of color.

625
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,520
When did that start for you?

626
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Because that's a level of leadership to where, you know, I think a William Wilber force when

627
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,840
he took on parliament, you know, in terms of abolitionists and Charles Finney in this

628
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,320
nation, one of the things he went so far as a preacher, you can't be a Christian and own

629
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,320
a slave.

630
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,320
You're not even sane.

631
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,960
And at those times to speak out, and I know you've spoken out at times when it hasn't been

632
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,240
popular, what both, I said two part question, what was the genesis of your appreciation

633
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,480
for diversity?

634
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:48,120
And then in the midst of that, what has kept you on point to stay when the fires come?

635
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,640
Your words are very kind.

636
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,760
For me, grew up 27 moves in 16, I moved out of the house in 1916.

637
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,480
We lived in a lot, a lot of chaos.

638
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,560
People asked me a lot of times, so how'd you get from point A to point B, you're a president

639
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,560
of university?

640
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,000
I said, well, the Lord gave me a huge head start when I was a kid toward this.

641
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,600
And they said, you know, money, education, I said, no, okay, I said, I was on it in a

642
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,680
different playground every year for seven straight years.

643
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,680
I never went to the same school twice from K through seventh grade.

644
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600
So every September, you either learn to fight or you learn to be a bridge builder and strike

645
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,120
up conversations with people that are new.

646
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:27,240
So all of the chaos of my childhood gave me a competency to feel comfortable in strange

647
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,200
places, uncertain places and to strike up conversation.

648
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,800
When I was in sixth grade, there was a kid named Dana.

649
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,640
This is back in the seventies where they used to mix part of the educational model was they

650
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,040
would mix special needs children with the mainstream.

651
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,160
So we'd have kid with a severe down syndrome, we would call now in a wheelchair in our class

652
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,160
that was just integrated.

653
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,600
And so the student was with the general population of learners and you're just like this part

654
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,720
of his educational experiment.

655
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:56,840
So one of them was this kid named Dana, he was deaf and he was a great athlete.

656
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,320
I think he was a couple of years older than us.

657
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,320
We're all in sixth grade.

658
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,520
We're out recess, PE, picking up sides, it's in Washington, there's rain when this big

659
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,880
covered area, there's only one hoop, the main hoop.

660
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,880
So we'd all go over there.

661
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,880
I was a little taller.

662
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,520
So there's 11 guys, two captains and they're going to pick now there's nine guys standing

663
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,760
there, two captains pick, pick, pick.

664
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,760
I get picked.

665
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,760
Everybody gets picked.

666
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,760
It's down to this little kid named Tommy.

667
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,760
I'll just call him Tommy.

668
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,440
And then Dana, the kid that was deaf.

669
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,800
And when Dana would talk, he would make exaggerated groaning noise.

670
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,120
And I remember this kid's a great athlete.

671
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,400
They picked Tommy, the kid that could hear, that couldn't dribble and even chew gum.

672
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,720
And the better athlete Dana, who was, I think he was Hispanic as well.

673
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:39,200
He turned away and shot, he let out a guttural noise.

674
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,080
That evil nice, the sixth grader, I'll never forget the sound that came out of him of rejection

675
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,080
of unwantedness.

676
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:50,680
I'm not Joe spiritual, but I will tell you, I didn't do anything because I was a kid.

677
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,520
I didn't have the moral fiber to stand up in front or to give my space.

678
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,040
But it went into my soul.

679
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,720
It never left the sound of that kid being excluded and that's not figuring out a way.

680
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:06,760
And I think probably that was when the Holy Spirit was preparing my life with a dimension

681
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
of his, his compassion, not mine.

682
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,280
He let me hear something, see something.

683
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,360
And then I've just had great people in my life that have kept me centered, great men

684
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,760
of color, him all.

685
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,520
I tell people, the greatest champions of my life have been black men.

686
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,320
The men who've opened up the most doors for my life have been black men.

687
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,800
And so I've never had a negative encounter in my life with a man of color.

688
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,560
They've been the most significant champions of my life.

689
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,080
Man, that's so good.

690
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:38,160
What advice Scott, would you give young emerging leaders right now in this new season?

691
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,360
And obviously now this whole global thing as a result of what we've been seeing in terms

692
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,520
of the pandemic, what we've been seeing in civil unrest, even world economies.

693
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,280
What advice would you give to our emerging young leader coming up right now?

694
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Well, first of all, we're all kind of staring at the same world simultaneously.

695
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,160
But great leaders see what other people are only looking at.

696
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,360
So there's a dear scene seeing something and looking at something.

697
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,560
I think now is a phenomenal season of revelation, understand.

698
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040
And that this is a season, Daniel 512.

699
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,440
It's my go-to verse.

700
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,720
It's my own dashboard.

701
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,240
It's a dashboard for the university.

702
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,360
I pray this over the students almost every day.

703
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,600
Daniel is 85 years old.

704
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,800
He was kidnapped at 15, spent the entire scope of his adulthood in a social injustice

705
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,680
in a kidnapped state.

706
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,640
He was forced to live his whole life in Babylon.

707
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,000
And now he's 85 years old.

708
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,960
He hasn't been heard from in about 20 years.

709
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,680
He's been in house arrest, dungeon area, respected, but marginalized.

710
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,160
And the grandson of Nebuchadnezzar was holding a feast for himself.

711
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,520
And there's a severed hand that appears and there's a writing on the wall and they can't

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interpret the writing on the wall.

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And they pull up the wisest people in Babylon.

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No one can interpret the writing.

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He says your grandfather knew of him, had a man who had a keen mind.

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He had a reputation.

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He could interpret dreams.

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He could explain the niggmas and he could solve difficult problems.

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And so those three traits of leadership, one, people discovered in you, you discovered in

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yourself, but I believe the leader of the future has that touch of Daniel 512.

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We've got to be able to forecast.

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We've got to be able to see dreams.

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We've got to be able to understand figments and fuzzy things that are just somewhat blurred

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and mirrored to the mind.

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The man of God, the woman of God in this day and age has got to be able to see the future

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and interpret dreams.

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They've got to be able to untangle the tangled fishing line, which is the enigma.

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It says Daniel could solve riddles.

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He could explain enigmas.

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This is the untangling of the knot.

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And then thirdly, he could bring civility to adversaries.

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This is what the solving of the problem is.

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I tell our students, and if you can see the future, if you can untangle the knot and if

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you can bring peace between adversaries, you will lead for the rest of your life.

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So I'm staying focused on those three simplicities in my leadership life.

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That is so awesome.

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Man, Scott, I just love that.

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Because of the fact that I think so often today, some people aspire to leadership, but

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they don't know the grind.

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Some people aspire to leadership, and maybe God is the one who will work through our hearts

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and our motives.

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But sometimes I think we can admire a platform, but we don't understand the process to that

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platform.

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And when you put yourself in a position, what I'm hearing you say, when you put yourself

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in a position as to being God's solution to a problem and the ability to take disenfranchised

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or alienated folks and bring them together or sides.

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And I think we are missing that type of leadership today.

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Especially young leaders, because everyone wants to be first to the marketplace.

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They got to be the next Margaret Zuckerberg guy to beat you with the idea.

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But the downside to that is that we abandon seed for speed.

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And the kingdom of God is based on seed.

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And it's always over time.

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It's never overnight.

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Sean, just north of Minneapolis here, a couple hours is Lake Itasca.

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It's fascinating.

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It's a small lake, mid-sized lake, and there's a little row of rocks toward the left side

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of the lake in which a little 20-foot-wide stream begins.

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It's 20 feet across.

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It's 12 inches deep.

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You can walk across it on this side of the rocks without getting your knees wet.

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That's the official start of the Mississippi River.

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Oh, my.

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So the Mississippi, when it begins, is 20 feet across, 12 inches deep.

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Your knees aren't even wet walking across it.

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Given time and given a chance to course its way through the United States into the Gulf

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of Mexico, it becomes so powerful from the satellite that when the Mississippi enters

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the Gulf, it pushes the ocean back.

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So how does something so fledgling at its beginning, at its origin, become something

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so powerful that it can push back the oceans?

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But that's what our leadership is like.

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That's what our life is like.

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That's what faith is.

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It starts in that mustard seed.

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It starts with that young person with a vision and a passion.

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But given time, a million contributions, storms, flooding, all contribute to that life.

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It moves nations.

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That's so good.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, Scott Mann is so awesome to hang with you, man.

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I am excited to see what God is doing through you, and I believe your words on leadership

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are going to bless a lot of people.

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Thank you, Sean.

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Man, that's deep.

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He, that man has so much wisdom.

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So much.

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I promise, Keep It 100 Tribe, we always love to end our episodes with Keep It 100 Takeaways.

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And so we want to give you three tenets of real leadership.

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Number one, real leaders choose courage over comfort.

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So good.

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As we were talking about King Saul, later on, we would also have a King David.

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But the way that David demonstrated his leadership is when everyone else was choosing comfort

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when Goliath threatened the nation of Israel, David chose courage.

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And one of your authors that you enjoy, Dr. Brunay Brown says, you can choose courage

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or you can choose comfort, but you can't choose both.

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True.

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Encourages what separates great leaders from good managers, because managers avoid risky

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decisions that may make them look bad before the people.

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And I was one of the things that King Saul did is that even when he talked to the prophet

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Samuel, he says, come with me so that I will look good in front of the people.

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And that is often the manager approach in that you don't want to take risks.

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The great philosopher Aristotle called courage the first virtue because it makes all the

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other virtues possible.

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And what we need in this hour are leaders that have the courage of voice that are willing

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to share even the unpopular convictions, no matter what others may say, they'll speak

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up.

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That is so good.

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Second takeaway we want you to have Keep It 100 Tribe is that real leaders understand

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that their platform is for service, not for stardom.

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I love the quote of Christine King.

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She said, the spotlight will kill you if you haven't spent time in the dark room.

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And that quote is so important because friends, we know everything about leadership comes

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from your intimacy with Jesus.

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Everything you cultivate in the quiet place in your personal connection with Lord, that

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is what is the outflow of the leadership in which you walk in.

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Say that.

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Jesus is the greatest leader of all in his name is Jesus.

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And we understand if that's your source, you're going to lead well because there's a humility

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and there's a servant hood that you'll walk in.

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Real leaders understand that the greatest leadership is from a place of servant hood

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not being served.

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You know, Jesus displayed this so well showed us that leadership.

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The first thing he did was wash his disciples feet.

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So imagine what the disciples felt in John 14 12 when Jesus said, the works I've been

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doing, you will do an even greater things than these that the heart of all great leaders

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is they believe they exist so that the people they lead their ceilings become their floor.

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So good.

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Third and final takeaway is that real leaders never stop learning.

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When you quit being a student, you've gotten out of God's classroom.

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The Bible says we go from faith to faith and from glory to glory.

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So the journey of the Christian life is a habit of faith increase.

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It's never ending.

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You're always looking to learn.

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You're always looking to grow.

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You've never arrived.

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It brings about humility when you recognize you're a leader, but you also must be a student.

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Forbes interestingly ran an article and the article was entitled why the best leaders are

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full time learners.

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And so if I were to advise any young leaders out there, I would say read.

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I remember as a young leader myself, I got a chance to sit with a great man of God, Pastor

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Tommy Barnett, founder of the dream center with his son Matthew Barnett in Southern California.

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And one of the things he told me is that great readers make great leaders.

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And so I would say that as a leader, read.

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Read is much positive, good biblical Christian based stuff you could get.

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Listen, listen to people that you're leading.

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Listen to people that are peers.

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Listen to mentors in your life.

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Listen to whatever you can that will help you grow and finally relearn.

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Once the best way to learn is that you first need to unlearn things so that you could relearn

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and also be humble enough to relearn the simple truths that you've taken for granted because

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you may see it from a different angle when it's brought to your attention in a different

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way.

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As we close this week's episode, we have to understand that in this hour, the leaders

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that God is raising up must step up.

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There is a vacuum for leadership in so many facets of our society, but I believe as you

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become the leader you are created to be, we are going to see reformation in our society.

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Thanks for hanging with us.

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Keep It 100 Tribe on this powerful episode on leadership.

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Don't miss the boat on the next episode of Keep It 100 as we will have an epic conversation

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on identity and hear from my friend, international evangelist Todd White.

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And remember, relief may change your circumstance, but a revelation will change you.