Truth Movement | New Age Infiltrators Deceiving Millions Across the World

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Well, hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of the Rise Radio Podcast. I really do appreciate your listening every week, and if you feel anyone else would be helped by the show, please do share it with your friends and family and give us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Last week we did have an interesting discussion with an ex-Amish survival expert who gave his tips on survival in a blackout. If you haven't heard that already, please do go and listen to the previous episode and see what you think. I really did feel some of the survival tips are very helpful. I always gotta remember that things are done safely and food grade materials are used for anything that's going to be consumed and water filtered if it's used for drinking. But yeah, this week we did a collaboration over on the Geopolitics and Empire podcast. We had a really interesting discussion about how there is this truth movement on the internet that purports to give people answers and solutions to some of the crises and difficulties that are going on in the world today. But a selection of it is actually just pushing the very same spiritual agenda. They're pushing the New Age, Theosophy, Alice Bailey, who called herself the mother of the New Age, and these influences are right there in the middle of this so-called opposition, and people sadly are being drawn into these counter-movements which are seducing them into the same false spirituality. And that was the main topic for our conversation. So without any further ado, here is Geopolitics and Empire.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

And you know, I proli I'm prolific in the sense of scanning the ether for information, news sources, thinkers, channels, and uh, you know, I follow a lot of Telegram channels, a lot of channels on X, a lot of newsletters, blogs, Substacks, just constantly seeking for information that can give me new insights that tell that tells us where we are going. And I found uh somehow I found you first on the Rise channel on Telegram, and you post great stuff there. I frequently reshare, and then I discovered oh, you've got a podcast on BuzzSprout and YouTube. And so, and you know, before getting your thoughts on the world, anything you want to tell us about uh yourself and and and rise radio?

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Yeah, Rise Radio uh podcast is on all the major platforms. It's really an extension of the YouTube Rise channel on YouTube, um which is at RSE. And we've been doing videos on there for many years, and we basically show people uh the agendas that are going on in this day and age in our society, the Luciferian Gnostic propaganda that we just see in so many movies and music videos today, and just really trying to help people understand why that's there, what it means, and how to find the true faith uh that that the Bible spoke about. And it's just been amazing, an amazing journey, and just incredible times to be alive. I'm sure you would agree with me as we see so many different things in this world coming together.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Incredible, sometimes frightening, but uh we're told many times not to be afraid, not to fear. And I've cultivated that we can talk about that in a bit. I've cultivated this attitude of come at me, bro. You know, come at me, bro. What do you got next, Satan? You know, uh, so um you know, one of the first things I start out with by asking uh folks is uh just your big picture as to what is going on in the world. You know, listeners, when I ask that question, they know my view basically. I feel like we we're at this stage in history that techno uh technology particularly has enabled, where the powers and principal principalities that be uh now are taking over literally every square inch of the planet, where in in centuries and millennia past, empires were not able to do that, right? Roman Empire, British Empire could only take 25% uh of the planets. They didn't have the technology to take uh to obtain full spectrum dominance. But now, thanks to the internet uh digitalization, we are seeing um these this global government coming into being and uh implementing global controls everywhere and uh putting the entire planet, every nation, every citizen and every nation into a electronic concentration camp, you know, cashless systems, all that jazz. Uh, and then of course they're they're using the wars to achieve these means and other methods, climate agendas, green agendas. What's your big picture sort of 30,000-foot view as to what's going on in the world?

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Well, as you say, it really is a unique time because it's never been as understandable how some of the things that are written in the Bible could come to pass until these years, these last few decades, as things have changed so quickly, and as you say, technology being one of them, it's just ramped up just at an incredible rate. So, other than that, it just I mean, I would say that the only way that I've been able to navigate these times is through reading the Bible and just comparing it to what's going on uh in this world today, because without without that insight, I would just be so confused and so lost. But I think um I think one of the things that strikes me so much is uh since I've been a child, um, well actually when I grew up I I did go into the media, I don't know if you know about that, but I um I worked for the television in television um I think it's about 2010, and that was part of my journey to really understanding some of the propaganda that is being pushed on TV. And so because I grew up in church, it kind of linked together and I began to see actually there is more to this than I thought because you know I I used to go to church, I was thought it was boring as a child, and I, you know, thought that it was possibly not true. So I walked away from that, became an atheist, and then yeah, I began to develop a career, and through YouTube first, I did used to do comedy videos in 2008. One was called Heavy Metal Farmer. Um and yeah, I used to do these comedy skits, and they got very popular. And yeah, through that I met someone from Fox who you know basically started off this journey into working in the media. And yeah, it was through that that I began to see how not only how empty Hollywood is, the the Hollywood world, uh the media world, celebrities and all that, how desperate and sad some of those celebrities are that are supposed to be at the top of their game, at the top of their careers, and have everything you would imagine that would make you happy in this world money, fame, um, whatever they wanted. But I soon found that it's even more empty than the local village I grew up in. That people sometimes seem even less happy than the average person um in the community. So that really began to open my eyes and and just also the things being pushed in uh films today, and thankfully God didn't leave me there, he brought me back to him, and I left that career, that world, and I began to use the skills that I'd learned in that world to make videos against the Luciferan agenda. So here I am ten years later, after starting this YouTube, a new YouTube channel called Rise and the Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

That is uh yeah, fascinating. I was just uh in Hollywood for the second time on just uh vacation, and uh I've I've I've met a few uh wealthy people um in my time, and you know, immediately one of my favorite books of the Bible was always Ecclesiastes. And when you hear about Solomon, who was the wealthiest man in the world, um cattle, uh precious metals, you know. So he had the wealth, the women, you know, nearly a thousand women. And he he was begging the question, it's and and it didn't suffice. He said everything, it's it's meaningless, and and that's how I felt as a teenager. I had I'm not I wasn't rich, but just middle class rich. I had thousands of dollars of spending money that I had worked for, and I was at the beach every summer in Croatia chasing women and getting drunk, and I felt like Solomon. I'm like, this is boring, this doesn't satisfy my desires. And I read the Bible and I'm like, well, this, yeah, okay, yeah, now this this answers all of my questions. And uh I I I want to sort of jump, we'll we'll maybe circle back to some of these themes, but um uh since you're in the UK, and I always refer to it as Airstrip One, and then uh you're just uh north of the Fourth Reich, the new European Soviets, uh Brussels, the European Union. Just any thoughts, uh, because I I I I was going to share some of the latest developments, and I'm gonna talk more about this in my paid subscriber weekly analysis, which which has been late. Yes, I know, but hopefully this week I plan to record it. But uh just any thoughts as to how you see what's happening in in the um in the EU, in the UK, any relation you see to prophecy or or or or not?

SPEAKER_00 11:22

Yeah, that's an interesting question. I don't know how much you hear about the UK in in America, but I believe you hear some things. And recently, I would just say that the UK is in a very bad place, sadly, right now. Um it's just getting really difficult for the cohesion in the country and lots of different ideologies, shall we say, and worldviews that can clash and can cause friction in different parts of the country. Um, but it's just yeah, it's so sad to see this country, which Britain used to be a very strong nation and uh had even had an empire at one stage as well. But I just feel that uh over the years it's it's becoming weaker and weaker in some respects. And uh obviously, you know, I'm sure you're aware of some of the mass migration issues that are going on, the falling away from Christianity, the turning to uh false philosophies, and it just really feels like if something doesn't change soon, then this country could get much worse. And uh civil unrest is also sadly a possibility at this point. And yeah, I just um I think the main thing is that the country has turned away from its roots in terms of spiritually. Uh and then we've also got lots of counterfeit religions, counterfeit things coming in. And yeah, I mean, in terms of the EU, I think you were to you were talking to me before this interview about Wales and Scotland uh and Northern Ireland, was it, that they want to rejoin the EU.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and you know, just on that point, you know, I I was gonna say I woke up this morning thinking about you know, we were gonna do this interview and just thinking about the news I heard last night, and I I put out a few comments on the Telegram and X, and I read um first I read from two days ago the telegraph, uh, and I shared the headline. You know, the the the thing is, I'm gonna say first, like the thing what I was thinking was, I'm an idiot. You know, I am an idiot, I am a nobody, yet I keep extrapolating the future correctly. What what you know, and this is we we've seen this, it's it's the Bible is my guide, it's accurately serving as my guide, coupled with paying attention to the um elites, you know, the the occult elite's own writings. So I had quote-tweeted the telegraph two days ago where they said the leaders of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland will gather Monday to sign a deal designed to kick start the breakup of the United Kingdom. That's all they said. They didn't say exactly what comes next. I quote tweeted, I I put a map of 1939's Clarence Strait's Union Now map, where he said uh he talks about an Atlantic Union where Canada, USA, Europe, and UK should unify into one singular Atlantic Union. And I come and I also put the Club of Rome map, which is uh similar, and I said this way they can be reintegrated once they're broken up into a larger supranational union, one by one, like the European Union andor ultimately Atlantic Union. And then late last night, I see the memo memorandum of understanding in full, which says the leaders of Scotland, Wales, and North Northern Ireland say the future of their nations belongs in the European Union as they call for independence from the UK. I literally said it before it's going to happen. And that's something I've actually been saying for years now, and then I think there may have been, and there was an article published um a week ago, which I only came across late last night from Foreign Policy Magazine, which is extremely important. They talk about a new international system that is at once centralized and regionalized. And they use the term globalized multipolarity, and basically they spell it out to the T that we're they say we're moving into a world government that's multipolar based on regions. Uh regionalization is underway, China and Russia are making their regional grouping, the EU, Africa is doing its own, uh ASEAN. Above that, you're going to have uh what did they say here? Um, transregional bodies that are going to manage NATO, Shanghai Cooperation Organization, APEC. And then they want to create this global concert, like the uh 1815 European concert of uh, I forget now the concert of the European concert of uh democracies. So that the they're so I mean there you have it. It's like I I'm not special, I'm just following the guy, the guide of the and I had someone poo-poo me in my in the telegram today who's a hardcore atheist, and I just ignore him because you know, um I'm right. So how can I be stupid, anyways? That's my little patting myself on the back there. But yeah, your further thoughts as to uh any of this.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

Well, I know that Trump also has been talking about different countries saying that the US should uh take over or putting American flags on different countries, South America and uh I think Iceland and Greenland. And yeah, it's definitely very interesting. Uh also I just saw earlier today, you know, the BRICS U unity between the BRICS countries. Uh they actually had an official photo, I think it was yesterday or the day before, uh, where they're all standing in front of a statue of Shiva, the hind Hindu goddess. Um the same one they have outside of CERN. I don't know if you've seen that picture, but yeah, very strange. Oh wow, I'm gonna look there. Oh, I see it now, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is uh because paganism is the philosophy, it is the false religion that is undergirding all of this. Um we know that the woman rides on the beast. Uh so we see in this world today we see lots of this um harlot spiritual harlot, as it's called, um the nations coming together, turning against God, the God of the Bible, and yeah, just this esoteric pagan mystery school uh religion that just really is um you know just taking over many parts of the world. And uh yeah, it just really surprised me to see that.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Let's get into that. You know, that was um something I had lined up to discuss because you talk a lot about it on Rise Radio, which is again a great resource. You also interview, I believe, uh, people you did, you talked about these different sex, uh Seventh-day Adventists, uh David Icke and the New Age movement, uh the NAR movements. Um, you know, there's Burning Man Carl Tykrib, who I'm a huge fan of. He was just there. Um you know, I've been wanting to get him on the podcast. The only reason I wait is because I want to read my guests' books, and he's got a massive book, Game of Gods, which is sitting next to me, and I just haven't had the time to read yet. But you talk about um Dominionism and Kundalini stuff, and uh, you had a great episode I listened to three months ago, Vatican II Spiritual Evolution and Luciferian New Age. And I've been talking about this for years here on Geopolitics and Empire, and I term it, I put it all under one umbrella, you know, New Age, occult, Gnosticism, theosophy. I've had a few, even past guests politely sort of push back. It's not the same. My my issue is that guest pretended to be a certain flavor of Christianity. Well, in my view, they're from a Christian perspective, they're all junk, right? New age, occult, esoteric Gnosticism, theosophy. And it's pretty clear that a global belief system, as you alluded to, is being fomented and is being based on universalism and one-ism. You know, check deep Dr. Peter Jones of Truth Exchange or Carl Tykrob talk about this. And it includes, as you say, paganism, pantheism, Gnosticism, Theosophy, New Age, and all other manner, basically, of beliefs, except for exclusive beliefs like Jesus is the only way. And what's worse, um, David, is literally now almost every other podcaster or alternative media persona I come across uh are uh are espousing these theosophic New Age Gnostic beliefs. Some of them are even, I believe, are cosplaying Christianity, they're ripping out core parts of the Bible, like Thomas Jefferson did. They're ripping out, they're saying numerous um New Testament books are anathema. Some say this or that apostle is satanic and but they're still Christian, you know. And it's like, why even call yourself Christian at that point? You're undermining all these people in different ways. They undermine the authority of the Bible and the gospel, and it's a wolf in sheep's clothing tactic, whether some of them are even aware of it or not. You can't go around, you know. Israel Anderson was one guy I riffed on where he's like, Oh no, I'm I'm Christian, but he's talking about Gnosticism. And he says Jesus was an alien that came down from an UFO to mine the Middle East. And I'm like, No, you're not Christian. Stop pretending to be Christian. You're a wolf in sheep's clothing. Anyways, your thoughts here. I think you have a lot to say.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Well, uh, I actually I think there's a reason for that sometimes that it sounds they they use Christian language because really it is this antichrist movement that uh was around at the same time as the early church, the Gnostics um came around that time, and you see that even figures like I think Alice Bailey came from a Christian upbringing in a home, and and she's seen as the mother of the New Age. But it's it's not really a new religion, so to speak, it's like a neo-Gnostic movement, it's uh just repackaging the same lies from the first century. And uh who's that other influential New Ager? He's called Alan. Alan Watts, is it? Yeah. I think he also came from I think he actually worked as a vicar or a reverend at one stage, and then he left the church and he became this worldwide famous New Age uh teacher. So there is a lot of mixture with Christianity, and this what this is what makes it that much more deceptive and difficult to discern, because let's face it, it's easy to see the difference between uh black and white, but when it's uh the difference between white and off white or a slight shade of grey, it becomes that much more hard. And I think that some people out there sadly haven't had. A lot of background who are believers and that uh in the churches or in the Bible, and they so easily are drawn in to what sounds almost right, uh, that they can't actually necessarily tell the difference between what's uh true true or not in terms of the teaching. So it's it's a really difficult situation, and I think we're at the time now that things are moving forward, we're clearly close to the season, we're we're late in the season, if you will. So I think that the nuances are getting more hard to see, and uh also we have this whole uh alternate media, the truth movement, and I think that has set the stage for some of this in terms of David Icke and others who are part of the truth movement. Alex Jones as well, I just made a video on the Rise channel about Alex Jones, this conference called Christ is King. And uh, you know, they're using the name of Christ, but then at the same time, Alex Jones is saying on Joe Rogan that he believes that Christ is a comet, and uh that you know the trail behind the comet is the evil one. And this it sounds like really bizarre when you hear people say things like this, but if you look into it, you can see that these that he's not the first person to say something like that, and and these views really do come out of Gnosticism. Um, you know, the idea of the demiurge needs to be overthrown by the false light and things like that. That that's what we would call Luciferianism. It's the movement of pushing a false light where you know Jesus, the true Jesus Christ from the Bible, who was here 2,000 years ago and died on a cross and rose again, he is the light of life, he is the true light. But what this Gnostic theosophical movement is doing is that they're borrowing some of that language, that powerful language from the New Testament, and then they are turning it and warping it into this false religion that basically says that this false Christ, uh the false light, is going to overcome the matrix or the prison of the demiurge, and by demiurge they mean the god of the old testament because they they break the Bible up in half and and say that the God of the Old Testament is different. And David Icke does this, he's always talking about escaping the matrix. Uh Alex Jones did this with his the prison planet, and then as I said, he actually, if you listen carefully, he's been pushing some uh Gnostic views. And you have du uh Tucker Carlson who has become more popular recently. But this truth movement, to me, it's more of a way of externalizing the hierarchy and you know it's a it seems like a setup in terms of the false truth movement to basically maybe they knew that people would start to understand some of the things going on in the world, that knowledge would increase, and to me it's like it's a controlled opposition that is guiding the the alternate media in a predetermined direction, which is basically Luciferanism.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah, you know, some of the things that they discuss. I mean you know, and I I don't you know some of the people the names I mentioned, some are obviously, you know, by their own words, espousing uh these very wrong things. Others I like as people, but they have said things that align as well with the with the others, you know. Uh they talk about Christ's consciousness, they talk about your shadow, you do do your inner work, do your shadow work. And I'm like, well, that's just the um uh that's like sin. Instead of sin, which we can't do anything about, you know, we could only externally can be solved through Jesus. No, no, no, you can deal with your shadow, your sin yourself. And I I've heard David Icke say this, and then so many people who are David Ike acolytes in alt media, some that have interviewed me, you know, you see by their channels, they're all about David Icke. Uh, they repeat the phrase, remember who you are. He says always, remember who you are. And then that's all he says. He leaves it at that. And then I'm like, wait, who am I, David? I mean, Ike. You know, it's like, well, what what are you what are you talking about? And then later it comes out, you are gods. So it's like you are, and then it's like we go back to the Garden of Eden. You know, this is what like the serpent says. Is he he in his deception? You know, there's got there's creator and there's creation, the dualism of the Bible that Peter Jones and others talk about. They're talking about one ism here. We can save ourselves. We are gods, we don't have sin. Just do your shadow work. You have this Christ consciousness, and then you mentioned Alex Jones has been espousing this theosophy, David Icke, Mike, uh Michael Flynn, right? He did that prayer at some event that was a theosophic prayer word for word. Uh, you've got others like Catherine Alton Fitz, who does great work, but twice now on Tucker, she closes her her take-home message was Robert Templeton's Science of Heaven. Everything is plasma. That's basically when I hear that, I'm like, oh, that's we are all one. You know, that perfectly complements oneism. We're everything is plasma from God and the cosmos to the vegetables and humans. We are all plasma. We are all one. Candace Owens has used the term Christ consciousness, you know. Mark Passio, who's who's he's an ex-Satanist, I appreciate a lot of his work, but he's at the end of the day, he's promoting you know, Hermeticism, doing shadow work. And so I feel like it's when we a lot of us got into this space 10, 20 years ago, some of these people seemed authentic when Alex Jones was talking about Christianity. You know, Catherine Osnafitz says she's goes to church, she has a pastor, but then she turns around and says, everything's plasma. Um, and now the alt media, who's supposed to be anti-globalist, is literally espousing globalist theology, you know, the the one world religion. So as above, so below, I quote Crowley, right? As above, they from top down they're implementing their one world system, and now from the bottom, they have, in whichever manner, um co-opted, confused, purchased, uh incentivized financially, um, or just promoted these ideas that have percolated. Now, from below, the resistance is espousing the same globalist ideology. I don't know if you have for any further thoughts there.

SPEAKER_00 29:25

Well, it's like the uh author David Lam Lash, who is a Gnostic author, and the Gnostics, they just to go into it briefly, I won't go too deep into that, but they basically believe that the goddess of wisdom is called Sophia, and in their story they believe that um Sophia created the demiurge, which is their blasphemy of the true God, by accident, and he created this uh material world, but uh Sophia managed to hide some divine sparks within humanity uh so that we could find those supposed uh sparks of light within us uh and go inside ourselves and basically self-ascend above the demiurge. And as you say, this is just a reworking of the Garden of Eden. It's um I mean the word for the snake, the serpent, I think it's Nachash in Hebrew in the book of Genesis, but that means the shining one. So and the New Testament tells us also that Satan masquerades as an angel of light. And this really is what is being pushed, and I think that some in the prominent figures in that online truth movement have set the stage for this from the very beginning of the uh truth movement becoming popular. So yeah, I totally agree. It's um it we can't trust in that at all, it's completely false. And yeah, the I think just realizing how much this because Gnosticism was the first enemy of Christianity, the first main enemy in terms of these false doctrines, and it's really coming back today in full force, this neo version of it, and you know, it's obviously getting very popular in our culture, these truth movement people, uh the false uh movement, they are really pushing the very same beliefs that they claim to be against the Illuminati, but they are actually teaching at the same time, except they teach it with a difference. They say, Well, actually, no, um, the elite have abused this secret knowledge, but we need to harness it for ourselves. We as humanity need to claim this and use it for our own good, and unfortunately, that's not gonna lead anywhere good, because it's just gonna lead to the Antichrist.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yeah, and you know, I I've come to the conclusion that uh late in the game that you know it's the truth movement itself, and I'm trying to sort of square this circle. The truth movement itself, I think, as you say, just to put it bluntly, is Gnosticism theosophy and new age. And then what I'm trying to do is like I stepped into the puddle and I'm trying to step out to clean myself off. That's not to say I think we can make a distinction here, no, that we can still still what we're doing is analyzing what's going on, using the Bible as a guide, using you know, open source, let's say, quote, secular information to put put together sort of what's happening in the world and the trajectory that it's leading to. That's separate though from let's say the truth movement, no?

SPEAKER_00 32:58

Yeah, absolutely. And I would call myself the same. Um, I see it as a mission field. I originally was part of it 10 years ago. I got drawn into Gnosticism at the beginning of it, uh, which is partly why I'm passionate about trying to undo some of that. Uh, for the first, I think it was about 12 years ago. I came on with good intentions, and because that is so deceptive and it was all over on online at the time, it's just so easy to fall prey to it. So I just really want other people to be helped, not to go into those pitfalls and down those rabbit holes, so to speak. And it's just I think we're at such a key time, and and what you're talking about here with your intentions as well, it really is the front line of it to be in that battle. So I really do commend anyone who is willing to stand in the gap there because it's not a popular thing to do. Um, obviously, the you know, truth some people will come to you and say that, oh, are you a shill? Why why are you doing that? Why are you saying that? Um, but it's only because we'd care and not want people to stumble in that direction, um, because there's lots of traps that have been set on this uh road.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

So and the other trend that want your thought here on some of these people, and again, I think I call this a spectrum where a lot of people are unwittingly, they've been convinced they fallen, they they they believe these things, or some of them do it for the money, right? They're they're grifting, they don't care what they believe, they'll just uh they get paid, and then they'll you know, it'll line up perhaps with some of their agnostic worldviews, and uh other I don't doubt that other parts of the truth um truth movement are actual you know military intelligence um uh in some regards or actual occult uh initiates, right? Carrying this work out. But there's people out there, some that pretend to be Christians, and it's like again, it's like another religion, it's another gospel, the flat earthers, right? Especially the the Christians who say, and I I I interview guests of different flavors on different topics, and you know, we'll we'll be talking. I'll have a guest who's an economist, and we're talking about economy, and the guy the the flat earthers are in the comments talking about flat earth. And I'm like, and they say the Christians like get you know, make your bed, right? Like get your house in order. That that's so, I don't know what the term is, uncouth. It's like we're not talking about a flat, this is not the time or the place. And the way they espouse it is like it's like a new gospel, you know. Jesus didn't tell the thief on the cross, listen, you have to believe the earth is flat flat to get into heaven. No, he just said, you have to believe in me that you know repent uh of your sins, believe in me, and you're in heaven later today, right? Uh, he didn't say you're not gonna get the only way the truth and the life is through flat earth. But this is the way this is their gospel that they teach, this is their theology. You must they and they call me false Christian for not believing that they're this flat, and it's just like so you have serious issues, or the no virus thing, the guy, the people who many things have sprouted out from this truth movement where people say, even leaving aside the vibe, I've heard virus issues specifically, because there are these details specifics, but they themselves have said contagion does not exist, infectious disease doesn't exist. I've seen it in their own words, which defies you know reality. The Bible says there's plagues, right? And things like this, and so just any thought on that. It's like you must believe that contagion does not exist, or you like won't get to heaven. I'm like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Well, and and yeah, exactly. And this is the thing, it's adding more stipulations to make it make it harder for people to uh see the truth about the gospel, and um it can become a stumbling block. And I think it does just highlight that our battle is not against flesh and blood, um, but against principalities and powers in higher places. So we know that I think I think once you know for certain that all of this is true, I think when you realize the Bible is actually true, uh it becomes a lot easier to uh see what is going on around us in this world and how hard the spiritual enemy camp fights to stop people finding the true Jesus Christ and to just literally influx them with psyops, with false uh things, with uh heresies and false teachings, and it just we really are in a time where there is a lot of this going on. So um I encourage people out there today. As I said, we are living in amazing times, and the reason that we see what's going on in such a huge amount in these days is because the spiritual battle is going on, and yeah, I mean you only have to look at the media to see that, right? It's just the like the things that are being pushed in the media are just absolute antichrist, devil worshiping, and um yeah, just I'm sure you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Yeah, and you mentioned earlier the externalization of the hierarchy, which is something I often reference. You um listeners know, but I I you may not that I studied uh my uh my grad studies were in Geneva, Switzerland. And I while I was there, I attended uh a meeting of an open meeting, public meeting of the Lucifer, formerly known as the Lucifer Publishing Company, uh Alice Bailey's Lucius Trust, which has their office in Geneva, which was just down the street from my Geneva School of Diplomacy, right across from the old League of Nations, which is now the UN Geneva. And I have a pamphlet which I've kept uh since 2009 when I attended that meeting. That they handed out a pamphlet, Arcane School, right, is was the title of the meeting. And they talk about Prometheus as Lucifer. Lucifer is Prometheus, he's the good guy, bringing us the fire of knowledge, right? With the again, Genesis, the the knowledge of the the the tree of of good and evil, which God told us not to do. But here they are telling us no, no, no, that the the Gnostics, right? The secret knowledge, you need to know that. And um what was my point? So you mentioned externalization of the hierarchy, and if you study their theology, you know, I always mention this Jazz Coleman of the Killing Joke, right? Of the British metal band Killing Joke, um, who I saw them play 23 years ago in Chicago. And uh I almost got him on the podcast during COVID. He was living here in Mexico, but he had a near-death experience. I was in talks with his agent to schedule it, and then he had like married a Mexican, but I don't think they're married anymore. And he almost died in a drowning, and then COVID ended, and he went back to UK, and then they never responded to me after that. But I wanted to get him on because he's extremely tuned in. He's a occultist. And I discovered recently Lucy's trust actually commissioned him to write uh to a Gnostic Mass for them. And he penned an essay at Lucis Trust's website 2019 where he talks about the world government, the technocracy, and he's all for it. He's all for it. And he uh admitted he was a product of Tavistock, actually, the Tavistock Institute. But so all these guys confirm, and he gave an interview. I always cite this, where he said part of his mission and their mission is to eradicate, eliminate Christianity. He said it in one of those uh Kerrang or whatever magazines, and so externalization of the hierarchy and the Lutistrauss theology, they say that the Antichrist, which they paint as the Christ figure, is here now, and that we're just waiting for the right moment um for him to be unveiled and to break down, you know, the mental barriers that we have, many mostly, you know, Christians. And the work that I think the alt media and others is doing is trying to prepare the ground for his acceptance, and uh they talk about ascended masters, right? And I think you've talked a bit about the UFO uh Psyop and aliens. And long ago, I was reading Jacques Vallée, J. Allen Heinek, who are not Christians, who themselves are top experts on UFOs, who have said they believe the UFO phenomenon is not extraterrestrial, it's extra-dimensional. Again, that complements the Bible that these ascended masters are actually demons or angels, not really physical beings from another planet. And Vigilant Citizen does great work. They just published a piece on Disclosure Day, the movie, and they say about aliens, mind control, and a new world religion. I didn't even know Bono's daughter was in the film, I haven't watched it, but um in the and like he breaks it down, they literally discard Christianity in this film and introduce this new one-world Gnostic New Age, Theosophic religion, just like um Prometheus did the prequel, Ridley Scott's prequel to Aliens, uh, where they're saying, look, these extraterrestrial aliens, ascended masters, created us. There is no Jesus, there is no God of the biblical flavor. Uh so I and I think that's that's basically it. Any thoughts you have on the UFO stuff?

SPEAKER_00 42:48

I think Steven Spielberg actually said that in the interview for his movie when he was on TV. I I put it in a video of the clip a while back, and I think him and his colleague were there on camera saying, Oh, you know, this this UFO disclosure thing could unite all religions together and uh basically make Christians question their faith, perhaps in not so many words, but it definitely is the agenda in in terms of the Luciferian side. I mean, I don't know if you've heard of the book Proofs of a Conspiracy Against Religions and Governments of Europe. Um, that was from the 1700s. Uh, it was written by Roberson, and yeah, I I had a flick through that book, and it's just unbelievable. It's right there in plain sight. It says about that they they want to abolish Christianity. Um, it's definitely worth looking at. It's available online in the archive website, but um, I do recommend having a look at that. And uh it's so it's not a false thing, it it really does exist. And um, I think at this stage I would just be very careful with big world um shows and events that that people, you know, whatever's being pushed in this world, I would just be very careful into if it's some kind of big thing, um, because we know there's deception uh spiritually that they're trying to lead people away from Jesus and to reject the Bible and redefine it into this ecumenical harlot religion. Um, and on that note, actually, I'll mention because you said you went to the Arcane School uh with this link to Alice Bailey. Actually, there is one in London that And I went there a a number of months ago and made a video there and um you you go in and there's the library there, the the Theosophical Society library and and it's that's also next to the UN as well. So yeah, it's strange, isn't it, that the theist Theosophical Society is right next to the United Nations.

SPEAKER_01 45:04

Yeah, I uh uh an Orthodox listener of mine sent me some documents from the 1920s of the Theosophical Society back then being the key core proponent of world federation, of European integration, uh, and one world government, which is again the key word here is world federation. We've talked about this with German theologian Dr. Martin Erdmann on the podcast briefly. He's he he's but he did such a good job, and he's a Christian, and I believe a real Christian. And that the Clarence, he told me that the Strait Council, I mentioned earlier, Clarence Strait, they offered him a job, and he thinks it the reason they did that was to get him to stop exposing so well their backdoor plan. They wanted to give him a posh job in DC just to sort of um co-opt him in that way. And he said, No, no, no, no, not gonna happen. Um, yeah, and is it any wonder that, like you said, UN Theosophical Society is right there? And what is the truth movement espousing? Theosophy, new age Gnosticism, it's all that. And uh, and any thoughts on just Babylon? I see, I you know, you that that's a topic of discussion on in this space. I I always sort of leave the door open for interpretation because I don't pretend to I I don't want to be humble, I don't want to be proud, like some Christians out there. I don't know everything. Like I said, I'm just an idiot with a mic. And uh I could be wrong. I try to extrapolate, and I think often sometimes with prophecy, we won't really know 100% until it's underway, until we're living it. But then, you know, that prophecy will be confirmed. Like, oh, it was it was this, this is what they meant, right? And so, any just loose thought or broad thought on Babylon, the the great prostitute, the whore, the beast. Any thoughts there?

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Yeah, I I'm like you as well. I try not to be too specific because you know, I I'm very aware that we can get things wrong, and I just try to stay humble in that way and and try to just be careful. So I would say, in a general term, I would reference the spiritual harlot, the the prostitute on the beast, that the world is running after a running away from God and rebelling against him. So I would call that rebellious woman, that picture of the rebellious woman, it can include false religion, worldliness, a world that is going away from Christ, the world system that's against God. And so I'd incorporate a few things in there. Um, I know some people say specifically it's just the Roman Catholic Church, um, which may be true and probably is, uh, because I would see it as including all the false religions, uh, because you've got the you know the two symbols in the Bible of the the faithful woman who is a picture of Christ's church, the true bride, and then you've got the the harlot, the rebellious woman who uh Proverbs talks about both of those figures, and so I would class it as that. And then as you mentioned with the beast, it's it's really important to keep in mind that we see in the book of Revelation that the beast turns on the harlot to destroy her with fire and strips her naked. So no matter what definitions people might have, I think there are different nuances of belief among Christians as to what the harlot represents. Um, but I think it's important to at least be open-minded as time goes on in these days that we're in, to just be aware of some of those dichotomies, because we want to be discerning against deception and we want to be ready uh for the tests of this time, and we we don't want to follow anything that is gonna lead us astray. Because I I think like you see in the movies when you have like a super villain and you have the hero, people naturally this this Hegelian dialectic uh people naturally are drawn to the one that they think represents the hero or represents the good side. And I think you've just got to be really careful in this world because there's this com there's so often this false dichotomy between left and right. Um, we see this political division, but also that appears in some of the agendas that we see from Luciferian side, and uh you know, the people that follow out, maybe the Jesuits and others that are involved in propagating some of these things. And I just uh yeah, I just recommend just to be very careful because we know if we're a believer in Jesus Christ, we know that we know how he returns, and we it won't be a question of is that the real Jesus or is this the real thing? Because it it just is gonna there's no question left. So um, because we know that he'll return and he will destroy the Antichrist with the brightness of his coming in the breath of his mouth, but there's gonna be deceptions along the way um before we get there. So I just think that people could really be fooled by false heroes coming onto the world stage and claiming victory, maybe over bringing down the system, maybe over making people think they've been liberated, but in a false way, and it only will lead to the beast in the end.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Yeah, that's uh a thesis, uh a hypothesis I've espoused, and others have that um was it the the ex account, uh Donny Darkins, uh, I believe, who's done good work. I've interviewed him on my uh old radio show, and um, I don't think he's as active anymore, but it makes me think of the entertainment industry. And um, you know, Pastor Joe Schimmel out in California of the Good Fight Ministries, they've done amazing documentaries on this. I've actually interviewed on my old radio show, uh Joe's um sidekick, I forget his name now, who does the show uh with him. My goodness, I'm there's too many people to keep track of, but they they grew, they do great work. But uh um Batman, like all of these figures in the films and the comics, and Good Fight does such great work, they bring the receipts, like the comic world, entertainment world in their own theology and universe. They say they are occultists, and they uh they showed how Iron Man in one of the comics, Iron Man is literally the son of Satan, like Iron Man's father made a Faustian bargain with bargain with the devil, and that you know, Iron Man is in one of the comic um editions, is Satan's son, or you know, the figure of like Batman. You see the same pattern. Batman is this dark figure. Uh, he's good, he's bad, he's done bad things, he's done good things. V for vendetta, right? The bad guy is the good guy. They're trying to tell us, you know, sympathy for for the devil, Rolling Stones. It's like through all of this, they're trying to garner sympathy for the devil. Oh, you know, the devil, Batman, he's not such a bad guy, you know. V for vendetta, he's trying to liberate us. No, then you what you outlined, they might do a control demolition of the this dark new world order that we see with Klaus Schwab at the helm. But what will come after will be the real new world order. Um, one of my last questions is something I often worry about. I worry, but I don't, right? As we shouldn't worry too much, but uh the technocracy, right? This digital control system that's being built out. The they want to scan our faces, uh register everything. You won't be able to have any life function until you are completely digitized, cashless system. I've been debanked by the government from online platforms, but specifically debanked. You know, DHS specifically took me down from PayPal. Do you have any thoughts as to this technocracy that's being built out? Because I think at some point, Christians, you know, I will include Christian real Christians or people who are not Christians but are dissidents, they might have their life shut off and not able to work and buy food, and we'll have to abscond uh to the fields and pick pick berries for our sustenance. Just any thoughts on this technocracy?

SPEAKER_00 54:08

Well, it's funny you say that as well, because we've just done the latest uh episode of the podcast, which is hopefully coming out tomorrow, uh, where I speak to an ex-Amish guy who has written a book about that, uh, just giving his advice on surviving uh without power, without uh technology, which may be something that some of us have to face at some point. So I I really do think it's good to be aware of uh survival um in that sense. So yeah, I I don't claim to know every detail about this, of course, and I would just say that we are living in difficult times. We obviously see that the oppressive nature of that does feel difficult, especially when there's talk of digital IDs and various things, although some say we've effectively got that uh already through the back door because we are starting, especially in the UK, uh, to be digitized in many different ways, anyway, in terms of that. But we we see these things unfolding. I would say I'm not sure exactly where that will go in terms of the details, but something that was interesting. I saw Pope Leo, uh, it was about two months ago he made an announcement from the Vatican, he did an encyclical on controlling artificial intelligence and not letting it uh go rogue and get out of control, and that it must serve humanity and not become quote a new digital tower of Babel or a new tower of Babel. So he actually said that, and lo and behold, in the last couple of days over here in the UK, we now see that the government are starting to talk about in parliament to regulate uh artificial intelligence just in the same way that Pope Leo said. So surprise, surprise. Uh, and they come out and they say, you know, we need to be careful that it doesn't cross the lines, it needs to be monitored, it needs to be regulated, and as far as I've seen today, I haven't looked much into it, but apparently uh Donald Trump didn't agree with the UK on that. But the UK are the first country uh apparently to go down this road. So I think you do sometimes see the Pope and the Vatican so uh announcing certain things, and it's interesting how you see it uh come about sometimes afterwards. And um, I think the last thing in terms of that, we know the story of the Tower of Babel in Genesis, where humanity tried to become one without God and in rebellion to him, and they built this tower uh to reach the heavens. But the um the tower that they elevated themselves with was a certain type of brick, and that brick would be seen as quite a techno technological advancement at the time. So they were building this high tower to try and reach the heavens, and they were using a type of brick that was technologically advanced, and that reminds me of what's going on today, in a sense, that humanity is trying to elevate themselves to become like God or to reach up to the heavens. But we know that the ultimate goal of that Tower of Babel in the book of Genesis was uh it was in the name Bab El means gate of God or gateway to the gods. So this is spiritual. You know, we see all these things going on today, we see humanity trying to rise up in defiance of God, we see the technology assisting in that, but ultimately we know that this is not a battle against flesh and blood, and that this really is what the Bible said it was. And so we just need to remember at the end of that that salvation doesn't come through building our own tower of Babel, salvation doesn't come through self-ascension, working our way to heaven, it only comes through believing in God's Son, who came down from heaven to rescue us from our sins, and all this is very simply doing is increasing the sin in this world in our days, and things are just getting worse and worse the more people turn away from Jesus. And the only way to be saved is to repent and believe in him, that he did come down, he humbled himself to the point of death on a cross, and he suffered and bled and died for my sins and your sins, and he is the way back to heaven because God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever should believe in him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

SPEAKER_01 59:28

Amen to that. And as you said earlier, um what they're attempting to do with Tower of Babel 2.0 is once again storm heaven, storm the gates of the kingdom, take it by force, which the Bible warns against. And uh, I always say Lucifer, you know, the narcissist, the the the beautiful angel, the narcissist, the musically talented angel, uh launched the the in all of cosmic history. Lucifer launched the first coup attempt at uh coup d'etat regime change uh in heaven, color revolution to usurp the throne of God. And you know, ultimately it's all going to fail, but um, we have to get from here to there. Uh, any final thoughts on the way forward? As you mentioned, I'll be looking forward to your interview with the Amish person, but um, you know, the the the way forward, what what to do, my view, is to have a balanced approach, not to fear, right? To be spiritually and mentally resilient in the face of all this this level of evil is is is so insane that I don't doubt it it leads sometimes people to go in insane, to um be able to confront uh daily to see what is transpiring. And you know, I have to admit, sometimes I haven't gone crazy or anything, but it's it hasn't been easy for me either to witness what is happening in the world and track events and see how dark things are going. And uh it's not easy, but not to fear and to have a balanced approach where make as reasonable uh preparations as one can in their physical life with whatever one can do, right? In terms of being away from the system, having food, having a network of friends and family. If things happen, you have water, food, shelter, and that sort of stuff. Uh, and but ultimately the the white pill is as you said, is Jesus. Because I don't think there's there's no there ain't no stopping this train, there's no political solution. We see all countries and politicians are one on this agenda. Uh, and the only escape hatch parachute is uh Jesus. Because I always I often mention you know, a lot of the old media, you know, and and and the good folks there talk about parallel systems and parallel societies. And it's like, okay, let's say you move to the Amazon and you have your self-sustaining farm and they don't come and get you, right? The new world order leaves you alone, you're still gonna die, right? Have you solved the equation for death? Yeah. So any any thoughts on the way forward, uh, and anything else, what what to do, and and and final thought?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

That's a good question, and I would agree with you. Yeah, the ultimately we are all mortal. So even if we live here another 20 years longer, we're still mortal beings, and we need a bigger solution than just humanism of rising up and creating our own humanistic utopia, because as I said before, uh there's still gonna be someone that does wrong, there's still gonna be someone who begins to get jealous in that uh re revolution humanistic utopia. There's still gonna be someone who steals things. There's the the problem is not just the elite, the the problem is not just a bad system, the problem is in the heart of humanity, and we all have that problem since Adam, because we came from him. Um, and you know, the sin began in the Garden of Eden, and it's stretched through generations right down to us. And if we're all honest, we we all have that propensity to do wrong, to do selfish things, and to lie. I know I do, done it many times in my life. So I've I came to the point where I just know a hundred percent that I cannot rescue myself, I cannot heal myself, I cannot um find my own way to escape from my condition. So that of course led me to cry out to God and just ask him, Lord, if you're there, please hear me. I want to be saved. But I think, in answer to your question, I would maybe start on that balance as well. I think certainly something I've experienced in the last 10 years is that this is obviously very can be very overwhelming seeing these things going on, and also doing the research, we can end up doing it too much and focusing on it too much. So I think for balance, I would say it's important to get out there, have a walk, look after your mental health, um, maybe get a dog, get a pet, uh, and go and walk the pet and look after them, spend time with family as well. We shouldn't let these things, you know, these times, even differences of opinion about what's going on in the world. Like, remember 2020, that was a a huge thing for families to go through, and it it caused division sadly in some families. But I think we need um community, we need to speak to each other, uh, we need to maintain those human connections, uh, especially as we get overrun with AI, and it's hard to even know what's real online sometimes these days. So I think that in terms of the balance, staying healthy, eating properly, but also uh yeah, with the the times we're in as you said, we can't stop it because scripture cannot be broken. That was something Jesus said. We we don't we we aren't able to prevent uh the prophecies of the Bible coming true. And to be honest, I wouldn't want to because I know that there is a huge hope at the end of it and that we'll be in a better place afterwards when Jesus returns. But I think for the people that are Christians, uh it's really important to well, for everyone actually, to to be wise, uh, you know, to stock up basics that you need, not to get over the top and just spend every day prepping. But I think it's wise to have um access to things, for example, water and some food, long-lasting food, you know, things that you know that you would need in a crisis, uh, you know, even water purifying tablets or uh anything you can get that could help with that. But I just really in terms of the hope without Jesus it i it's not going to be possible to make it through. these times unscathed without Jesus, without having the Holy Spirit because the ti the times are so are gonna get s very difficult, so difficult that we you know we we can't avoid being spiritually deceived if we don't have spiritual discernment. And the Bible talks about that that the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they're spiritually discerned. So I would just cry out to anyone who's listening to this that if you aren't born again of God's Spirit, I just really encourage you to get a Bible, have a read of it and just pray for God to open your eyes to the truth about Jesus because we're gonna need his strength and comfort going forward in these times.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:34

And what you mentioned earlier about the communities survival communities that sin will abound there. And I actually I've interviewed the Canadian survival expert Stefan Verstappen on my old radio show. He said this was the case that pretty much every community and usually they are non-Christian you know prepper community that comes together falls apart. They fall apart because of sin, because of uh avarice, greed, um not being able to get along with each other. Virtually every such community has fallen uh apart and I I would just add this is a spoiler for those who have not seen the classic the cult classic I love it Patrick McGuhan's The Prisoner. They made a remake with Jim Cavizel absolute garbage absolutely horrible the the original is the best I've read his biography as well which was great um Patrick McGuhan and I I I loved and uh I'm gonna spoil the the the the final episode so if if you haven't seen it or if you don't care basically he unmasks who's behind the the the the the the the island prison uh the warden and uh you know are we the baddies we have met the enemy and he is us he removes the mask and it's the face of Patrick McGuhan and I read that people were angered by that fine finale because um it it wasn't satisfying. You know they wanted a classical villain figure and I kind of like what McGuhan did he left it so ambiguous.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:05

And then to your other point about the bunker stuff I there was a story here in Mexico the other day from Blog Donarco uh in some village in Mexico 50 armed narcos descended upon the village and killed families in the middle of the night who didn't not want to give up their lands and they even chopped up alive one of the activists in front of his family like a piece of steak and it's like uh I don't care who you are or how many weapons you have uh whether it's in Mexico or whether it's rural England or Europe you know that are now having hordes of uh migrants come in you no one can fight fend off 50 armed you know narcos or or men not you know not even Sylvester Stallone and Rambo where will your hope be then right where will your hope be then in that last uh breath and so um great to finally catch up with you David point all your links will be in the description but um where are the best places to follow your work yeah it's been really good to speak to you too and I hope we can again and I don't know if you do any coming on shows that would be great to have you on our oh yeah sure I'm always being asked to actually later today I'm I'm a guest uh so yeah and I've got other uh requests but yeah happy anytime nice yeah okay uh well you can find us on Rise Radio Podcasts Spotify uh Apple Podcasts or you can also type in riseradio.net for the website and YouTube channel there's RiseRadio Podcast on there and also at RSE is the main uh channel for the videos and we basically cover all the some of the events going on at the moment on the videos some of the spiritual deception and um kind of talk about really important issues and and do it in video form so uh I'd really recommend going there if you're interested in just understanding what to avoid and discern when it comes to the Luciferian agenda.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:12

Alright well follow Rise Radio and and and pun intended keep slaying Goliath David thank you