What the World Missed: The Third Temple and the End Times

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Well, it's a pleasure to have Ryze or David, and we're going to talk about a lot of things, but mainly Israel, the Third Temple, because he had a lot of experience over there in the Holy Land.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Thank you, Michael. Appreciate being with you today and look forward to our conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Thank you. Me too. Well, you've been covering Israel and the Third Temple for a long time, longer than a lot of YouTube channels, much longer than me. You've had your channel, I think, since for over 10 years, if I'm correct. So, yeah, if you would like to give us an introduction about yourself, I guess your channel, what you talk about, and just some of those things.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Yeah, so I run the Rise channel. We recently started doing a podcast called Rise Radio. Yeah, it's it's been 10 years, really. I mean, I'd say I started 10 years ago with a view to expose Gnosticism. I came out of the media industry and I started to see some of the things, the symbolism and the agendas that were going on, and and then heard about the New World Order online and just how that fit Bible prophecy. And as someone that used to that grew up in a church, when those things came together and I realized that this whole what I thought was like a conspiracy world actually lined up with Bible prophecy with the New World Order stuff, and and that was amazing to see. So I I when I saw those things, I decided to start making YouTube videos and to expose some of those things. And as I said before, unfortunately to start with, I jumped in too quickly and too zealously, and I I began to unfortunately drift into some false views myself, which I had to rectify and uh repent for, and then really just focused on the gospel and and started to travel the world in order to prove the Bible is the truth, via seeing the archaeology and the social situations, agendas going on across the world, and and that's really how it developed.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. And that was some of my earliest content that I saw of yours. And I've been subscribed to you around the same time when I started my channel, so over seven years, and yeah, that's kind of leads into my next question. Was that I saw that you spent a lot of time in Israel? What led you to go there and what was your time like there?

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Wow, yeah, what led me there? It was actually one day I was sitting in the car on my own, just parked up somewhere, and I'd seen a lot of different people with different ideas about Israel, especially, because is Israel is a is a very charged subject, as I'm sure you're aware.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Online, and so there's a lot of different theories and conspiracies, and also with people like David Icke, who is obviously a false new age teacher in the truth movement. He I noticed when I first came into it and saw his stuff that he had some very strong theories about Israel and very anti-Israel. So I saw all these things going on and also the anti-Semitism as well, which is very clear. And I just thought I just was sitting in the car and I just suddenly had this put on my heart to go to Israel and to find out for myself and to show others by doing that on through the videos, but and also just this concern for the Jewish people that they might be saved and and that they might find Jesus because he ultimately was is from the tribe of Judah, the line of the tribe of Judah, and and you know, he came first to the Jews and then to the Gentiles. So I just had this burden put on my heart that that I would say supernaturally, I believe, in the car that day, and and just so this heavy weight was put on my heart, and I and I responded to that, and I went to Israel and I stayed there for probably over a year in total, just talking to people, seeing what was going on, and making videos about the Bible history and also about the you know Israel and and its role in prophet prophecy.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

So yeah, well, that's amazing because you just touched on a lot of almost everything that I had uh within that that I want to talk about in this video. Like, so that's definitely the Holy Spirit. So that's really cool. We'll we'll get into all this. So, first, just a little bit more on your time in Israel. I've got some things on my phone that I wrote. I imagine that that is extremely impactful being in Israel. I've never been there, I would love to go, but I'm curious before we get into all that stuff, because we're gonna get into the land of Israel, if God cares about the land, if he cares about Jerusalem, the Jewish people, the covenants there, Jesus being the Messiah, all that stuff in the Third Temple. We'll get into a lot of that because I know you covered been talking about that for years. But I'm curious if when you were in Israel, I'm sure there was a lot of profound things, but did anything specifically, does anything stand out to you of your time there? Did anything super natural happen? Any like Holy Spirit encounters or revelations or just anything that stands out in your mind of something that was just super um impactful? Because like your video when you were standing outside the gates where potentially where Pontius Pilate brought Jesus before the crowd, that I mean, it gives me goosebumps thinking about to just stand there and be where Christ stood. I mean, that's gotta be amazing. So, what did do you have anything that comes to mind on that?

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Yeah, I mean, that's a multi-pronged question, really, because in terms of those types of experiences that you mentioned, absolutely that that seeing that the ruins of that gate, which is the entrance to where Pontius Pilate's palace was, and Jesus was potentially bought, and and then that's where they shouted crucify him and all that, just to be there and just to uh it's hard to explain. Yeah, it's life-changing, yeah, for sure. And I would recommend anyone to go, but and a lot of these types of places and are not places that are uh on the official tours, a lot of the official Christian tours in Jerusalem tend to be more Catholic, so they'll they'll have the the place they say Jesus walked with the cross and things, and it's not actually the right places, a lot of them. And the Garden of Gethsemane, that's also not necessarily so a lot of it's Catholic, but so you have uh I don't know if you've heard of Joel Kramer, you've got people like him, he's on YouTube as well. He he he makes fantastic archaeology videos on it. But some of these real dedicated Christian archaeologists, they show the real places, and so it was him that that appointed me to that. But I would say, I don't know if you saw this, but like for example, they've got Caiaphas's house and the ruins of that, and they found they found the the ruins of what is Ka Caiaphas's house, the high priest, at the time of Jesus. And deep in this cavern, this cave, they actually found what was a place that was turned into like a prison. So this is pretty likely that the place where Jesus was kept. Wow in Caiaph is his house, you know, when he was on the trial and uh the night he was arrested, and and so you got these little these cells in there, it's like a cave that that was used as a a holding cell. And wow, I mean, when you're walking round underground there in that prison, I mean, yeah, it it's it's it's the real bedrock that was there at the time. And it's like walking round the first century and just knowing that it was where Jesus was held is just profound. It's really I imagine. Yeah, it's unbelievable. But I would say, in terms of Jerusalem is a very spiritual place, as you might imagine. I mean, you've got you've got all the major religions, Abrahamic religions, focused in on that place, and so everyone has their reason for being there, and you it's it's very tense at times. Sure. There's a lot of conflict, and but definitely a lot of spiritual activity in terms of the the Temple Mount is quite a profound place to to see, knowing the history of it and all the different things that's happened there, and the temples, and just the yeah, just so much, and and the Jews believe that Adam was created on the Temple Mount, and so there's there's just a lot of things, and then and then you think if there is a third temple, that's where it's likely gonna be. And yeah, there's a lot of false Christianity there. There's a lot of even psychiatric problems where there's something called Jerusalem syndrome. Um have you heard of it? Yeah, which is yeah, they it's like a phenomena where someone who's had no history of psychiatric problems suddenly develops these spiritual delusions where they they believe that they are the Messiah, they believe that they're Moses. And I did see someone walking around with uh a little flock of disciples who who thought they were Jesus, you know, walking around in sandals, and that there's a there's a hospital on the Mount of Olives, which exclusively deals with Jerusalem syndrome, so it's such a problem. But there's just a lot of a lot of that kind of weird stuff, people saying, Well, I I see angels in the skies, this is happening, people walking around thinking that they're enlightened, and just a lot of this very obvious spiritual activity. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Wow, wow, that's incredible. Yeah, that's definitely the hotspot of everything, really, and we'll kind of get into that later because that seems to be the epicenter of Bible prophecy of what we'll see in the future, and maybe even God's like main focus, really. Let's see, I guess I guess this would be a good time to mention which is a loaded, loaded topic, but I guess we'll get into replacement theology and uh everything surrounding that. And like you mentioned with David Icke, we're seeing this a lot, and a lot of people who claim to be Christians, or a lot of people who probably believe in the gospel and the truth of Jesus, so they're saved, but are very, especially in the truth movement, as I as you I know know, many of them are very anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti constantly attacking the Jewish people. And of course, you know, the Jewish people don't believe Jesus is the Messiah, but and God will deal with all of them according to that. But there's a lot of verses in reference that the Jewish people will eventually come to know the truth and or will be saved. I mean, even the 144,000 people who are witnessing in the last days are all from the tribes of Israel. So for people to think that God just hates the Jews and they're all just like the synagogue of Satan is not true. And the ones, you know, but Jesus had his his quarrels with the Jews and the Pharisees and all this. So so I don't know how God will deal with that. But I guess I just want to read uh two verses and then get your take on all of that. So Romans 11 26 says, and so all Israel will be saved as it is written, the deliverer will come out of Zion, and he will turn away on godliness from Jacob, as well as Romans 11:24. For if you were cut out of the olive tree, which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cult into cultivated into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree? That in reference, of course, to the Gentiles being brought into the olive tree, and the natural branches are the Jewish people, the covenant God made with Abraham's bloodline from there. So I know that's a loaded question, but what are your initial thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Well, as you say, Romans 11 is a good place to read about that. The Bible makes it clear that they have been stubborn as a people at times, and that's not me trying to criticize, that's just purely talking about the way things have come out, and and through their through that, through their rejection, not not all obviously there were many people that Jewish people that believed in Jesus, so it wasn't everyone. I mean, that's an error people make. But so there were thousands of followers of Jesus that were from the area of Israel, but through their that rejection, salvation came to the Gentiles. So that was the whole that was the plan all along. That that was God's plan. So who are we to question that? But we shouldn't also say in Romans 11 that we shouldn't boast against them. Sure. That they realize that they're missing something, and as Gentiles, believers are supposed to draw them to jealousy, and unfortunately, the the attitude of some on especially online, but it's not just online, there's a lot of replacement theology in in churches in general, like the UK is absolutely full of it. So that how is that going to fulfil our what we're supposed to be doing if we just literally push them away and mock them and deride them and curse them? How is that going to do any how is that going to fulfil our mission with the Great Commission to the Jews as well as the Gentiles? So I think that's something to remember, but yeah, the replacement theology is just everywhere. And as you say, the synagogue of Satan thing is just uh another buzzword which we see in the truth movement. It's just one of those things that's caught on that many people use out of context, and to to apply that term to all the Jewish people is just dishonest with the the text. Is it's it it means that the person probably hasn't investigated that verse or those two verses in Revelation. Uh that they've just seen other people do it and they say, Oh, yeah, yeah, well, that fits with the Khazar theory, that fits with all David Icke, what he's seeded at the beginning of the truth movement, that fits with all the trutherism ideas, and and they just kind of repeat it, but yeah, it's it's not all the Jewish people, it's not all Israel. That that's just ridiculous. I mean, it was about a um particular sect that were persecuting Christians in the first century. Right. Look up the Got Questions article on it and do a bit of research, and yeah, it's it's to overapply it to all the Jewish people is just part of the same, you know, the same anti-Semitic spirit, which is satanic in itself.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

Because we see in Revelation 12 that the dragon goes after the the woman, which is Israel, and and that's part of Satan's plan is is he always goes after the all the antichrist figures go after the Jews. Yeah. Where it whether it be Hitler or Haman in the book of Esther and and others, they there's a pattern that they always go after the Jews. So I think it's just part of that.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

Absolutely. And yeah, there's no verse, the synagogue of Satan, just to go there, is you know, that that immediately writes these people off in the people's minds who believe that that these people are followers of Satan and they can't be saved. So there's no evangelism going on towards these people, there's no, there's no loving your enemies like Jesus said to do. There's no there's none of this. It's just instantly writing these people off as if they're unredeemable, which is absurd. And we know Jesus forgives to to the uttermost, He He wants all people to come to repentance. So for the gospel and the truth of the Bible to be replaced with they are the synagogue of Satan, is not at all what the Bible says. Anybody who believes these things doesn't look into the full Bible and its full nature, and really, and there's so many other verses and references where God talks about how he loves Mount Zion, he loves Jerusalem. When in Revelation, when Jesus comes back, he builds new Jerusalem at Jerusalem, he comes back to the Mount of Olives. I mean, it's it's endless. And then some of these people even forget that when Jesus was here, Gentiles were going to him, and he said to like the lady who came to him, I've come for the lost children of Israel. So Jesus followed all the Jewish traditions and all these things. So for them to just write off the Jews as if they're all followers of Satan is absurd. They do things that are wrong. The Talmud is not from God, and we can discuss these things, but for them to just like not give the gospel and the salvation message of Jesus and to discount all the verses that say Jesus, God really cares about Israel and the people who live there is just it's antichrist, really.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Yeah, it's uh for if God has forsaken his covenant with Abraham, which includes the land, then why would we why could we trust him? How could we trust him with to be faithful to a covenant with us through Jesus? So Great point. So the land was in perpetuity. The the land is an eternal covenant and it will it remains today and it will remain for eternity. In the millennial reign, Jesus returns to Israel, to the Jerusalem, the land of olives, the sorry, Mount of Olives. And so he hasn't forsaken that. And of course they need Jesus, and there's some people on the extreme end of Zionist Christianity who step over that line and then do this, have this dual covenant theology where they they believe that they're saved just because they're Jewish, which is just not true, because everyone needs Jesus, including Jewish people. So that's not the gospel. So there's extremes on both sides, but yeah, for sure, on for sure online, and in sadly in some reformed churches that teach replacement theology, it's it's just tragic. It's yeah, I th I think that I don't know what it is. I don't I don't know why. I mean there's there's there's the elements that the truth movement have talked a lot about the Rothschilds and and those types of figures. So I think that has and and it's not to say that there aren't elitists like that. But but it they turn it into a conspiracy that it is just Jewish people, which is no different to I won't say his name in cus of YouTube, but the leader of Germany in the nineteen thirties. It's just the same thing that he did. He he said that the there all that group of people are the the bankers, they all control the money, they control the world, and therefore we need to come down on them, and and the horrors that happened after that are a result of that same mentality.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

And as you say, synagogue of Satan I'm not saying this is this is right, but what about I just want to plant an idea. What about people like the the Hebrew roots cult? Uh the Gentiles that claim they're Jews but are not Jews, they act like Jews, and a lot of those people you'll see those very people that use all these Hebraic names and of Jesus and all and all these different things and observe the Jewish feasts and basically have a false gospel that they're saved by the works of the law and that. And there I see a lot of those people who are trying to be Jewish but they're not, and they're the ones persecuting Christians and Jews. You know, they're the ones that will come down on you for being a Christian, they'll they're the ones that will persecute real Jewish people. And I'm not saying that they are, but maybe this concept of synagogue of Satan is being drastically used in the wrong way.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

Yeah. That's great. That's a great point. And and you make a good distinction there, which is something we need to fully kind of understand. When we look at the Bible, the Bible is so complex. And even the people who studied the scriptures all day, every day when Jesus cut came still couldn't see he was the Messiah. So we have to take in the scripture, constantly be learning, constantly be open to different possibilities, and not just write off all these things like, oh, synagogue of Satan, they're done. Like there's a the Bible never contradicts itself, but there's so much that fills it all that it's not always black and white. There's sometimes like a middle area of figuring out, just like you mentioned, there's extremes on both ends of like extreme Zionism or extreme little anti-Semitics and synagogue of Satan stuff. So the answer sometimes within the Bible lies kind of in the middle of these things, and think you know, praise God because it shows He's gracious and understands the human condition, I would say. So let's kind of get into I guess the Third Temple and your I guess first your opinion on it, and then what you learned when you were in Israel. I know you talked to a lot of people there about the Third Temple. Yeah, what's your opinion on it? Do you think it will be built? Where will it be built? Is it being built? All these different possibilities and things that people discuss on that topic.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

I believe it will, and I'm I'm not obviously the harbinger of all truth, but from what I understand about Bible prophecy, it will. But that's just my personal view. But it's uh yeah, yeah, you do.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I according to Bible prophecy, it makes the most sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Yeah, so the there's the Antichrists is said to sit in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be God, and the plans are definitely there. I think people sometimes who haven't been to Israel and haven't experienced it, they they overstretch it and they say, Well, they're all they're all doing this, they all want the Noahide, they all want this and that and the other. But actually, when when you're there, you find out that it's a very small amount of people, generally these very ultra-ortho orthodox religious types. Okay. So there's a there's a lot of sex. That's the thing. In in Israel, you've got maybe 40% p of people are secular, so the and the the amount of ultra-religious are very small. So yeah, that there's uh but they definitely want it done. There's the Temple Institute, and they've got all the the things ready for it, and all the tools and and altars, and there's a massive pure gold menorah near the temple mount in a thick glass dome, which is bulletproof, and that is probably I don't know, that's maybe twice my size. It's huge, and it's it's gold, it's proper gold, and that's ready for the temple as well. That's what they want to put in there. Yeah. So all that stuff is ready. But some of these people are more extreme. So and that's how a lot of Israelis would probably view them. Some of these people are desperately trying to do sacrifices and this, that, and the other, and they have some extreme views, some of them. So I did interview some of them, as you said, and yeah, they're they're pretty radical about it, they're very serious about it. There is a reconstituted Sanhedrin, but again, that's differently viewed by people. Some people would say that's a load of rubbish, some people would say yeah, this is this is it. But the they have different views. But the I interviewed one of them, and on camera he he said things like that they don't want a new world order, they want a holistic holistic age of love, and that they want the problem is the the radicals in in different religions, the extremists, but they want to unite all world all world religions together and get rid of the radicalism and and make an age of love, an age of peace and unity, uh of prosperity for the world. And and they kind of they they interpret some of maybe the millennial passages that we see as as being that if you don't bring your sacrifices to the temple, then your land won't prosper. So it's it's like the millennium, but before Jesus returns. So this is what I is is concerning because we know that there's going to be a false Christ or an antichrist or a the beast or a a dis a false prophet, the deception. Yeah. And and you can see how that could easily be a counterfeit that people will could fall for, and and of course they they misapply these prophecies that are actually talking about Jesus, they apply it to this coming Messiah. Right. So you can see how the the Antichrist could stand in place of and counterfeit Jesus in that way. But so it's interesting. But then when I turned the camera off, I continued talking to this member of the Sanhedrin, and this particular guy I spoke to, he he was a bit more raw when when I was speaking to him in in private, and he did say some yeah, concerning stuff. That that basically the those who it like if you were a Christian and you believe Jesus is God, that that in his eyes would be considered idolatry, and yeah, that's not gonna go down well in because they they believe they're gonna be like judges in uh the Sanhedrin in the temple, and they're gonna make judgments and this, that, and the other, and and this messiah is gonna come. And so there was some concerning things said by this particular individual about if you don't go along with it, or if you if you believe in the Trinity or you believe that Jesus is God, and but as I say, there's different views on that because some of some of these the same people that want the temple also say that Christians aren't breaching the Noahide laws or this, that, and the other. So I don't know, there's different views. The thing is this it's very diverse, and and this is what Israelis, the Jewish Israelis will will tell you themselves is that they can't agree on anything. So when Westerners over the other side of the world think, well, this is what the the all that group of people believe, absolutely not, that there's a hundred different views. So obviously, at the end of the day, what's going to happen is what the Bible says, and and we do believe this figure is gonna proclaim himself to be God and and rule this beast confederation.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Absolutely. I think that's one of the most concerning things that I've seen about the whole thing, which is another reason I really believe the Third Temple prophecy will be a physical thing, because I've seen videos of the temple, the Temple Institute interviewing people there, and they were interviewing all types of people, Jewish people, and it seemed like people who weren't Jewish, and everybody seemed like when they talked about the Third Temple or the Messianic Age, that it wasn't like maybe what the Sanhedrin's view might have been, where it's like they're in control, they're in power, but it seemed more like a place for all religions to go and to serve God, or all people to go and serve God, a very unifying belief. Like all the people are going to flood to Jerusalem, to the temple to serve God. There'll be an age of peace. I mean, everything that the Bible says is going to happen through the Antichrist, this false peace, like the peace covenant in Daniel. Then, you know, the temple will be built, people will flock there. And you can just see how like this false system could easily be built. They're trying to build it. They're everyone's from what I've seen, there are a lot of people saying this, you know, false unity that the Antichrist would, of course, be the head of, and then he'll just one day say, you know, I'm God and stand in the temple. So that is definitely concerning. And did you see some of that like one world religion type of talk going on there?

SPEAKER_00 31:40

Yeah, so it's if you go to the Temple Institute, they have a little tour which you can look at all the stuff they've prepared, and they have a spiel, a narration on the on the microphone, and and they tell you there that it's not just about a building, it's about the elevation of mankind. So it's very new age in that sense. It's it's a very, as I say, holistic, and and that's like that Sanhedrin guy said to me, it's they they know about the new world order, like the the truther version of it. So they know about the ro Rome and they know about the elitism and all that. So they contrast it to that. So that they they say it's not it's not that, it's it's a new age of love, it's a new age of prosperity. So that that's what I do see that deception there, and I think that's something we also need to be careful careful about is that I'm sure when this figure arises that he's gonna be so alluring that we're living in a world today where the climate is people are fed up with the system, they're fed up with the governments, they've they they they long for strong leadership, and this is something I've been thinking about recently. We've got to be very careful about that. That you don't join this kind of humanistic uprising, which the truthers, the controlled opposition, I'd call them, have been pushing for for so long, this grassroots uprising. And and I I I do wonder how that might play into it. Uh you know, this this figure that claims to be the solution to all the world's problems, and as the problems in the world get worse and worse, we see a hunger in the population of of the world for a solution to all these problems, and um and that's what I would say it was presented as.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Yeah, yeah. We're seeing that, we're definitely seeing that. We need to be careful of that, and like it even according to the Bible, of course, you know, everyone's name who is not written in the Lamb's Book of Life will most likely fall under this deception. So that's a lot of people, including truthers, Muslims, Hindus, Republicans, Democrats, I mean, a lot of people. So yeah, the world is very hungry for this type of leader, you know, like an Elon Musk, who people don't all hate but brings the world together, like a Donald Trump, who everybody doesn't hate, but kind of is like this strong leader figure. So yeah, we for sure need to be aware. Yeah, you can see the climate in all these different areas leading to that. And it seems similar with the whole the leading to the third temple being built, all these things are kind of playing in together, it seems, in my opinion, at least.

SPEAKER_00 34:37

Yeah, which or go ahead, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And and as I say, the philosophy was very new age as well, that it's more than a building, and it's about the ascension of humanity. And um we know that Alice Bailey was was like an apostate Christian, and the whole New Age is is like a counterfeit of of that. So it kind of makes sense, and as I say, the the philosophy that they believe is very much based on Bible prophecies that are about Jesus as well. So they believe that this this figure, this messiah, is going to bring justice, is gonna bring peace, is gonna bring prosperity, he's gonna write the right and and you you notice that all of these this language is is actually prophecies about Jesus. So yeah, I I I really do think that we're in danger of that of that happening, and and you know, as as you're saying, the crisis of leadership in the world, the crisis of even masculinity it makes you wonder because the m the more the world is depleted of these things it makes you wonder what would happen if a leader came on the scene that was all those things.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

And suddenly you've got this leader that is charismatic and speaks in dark sentences, as it says in the Bible, in Daniel, and is is got the gift of the gab, is is says everything in in a way that people and you can imagine the whole world will wander after the peace if you're not if you're not saved and born again. And and also I I I see that even with the truth movement online as well, is that people are getting so sucked into the left w left and right paradigm because of the extreme left stuff that's being pushed, they people are swung again towards, well, the answer is right or far right, or and it's just it's not gonna be a solution. It's it's too the two pillars, this the same false dichotomy.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Yeah. Yeah, I think it was Steve Quayle who said there's no political solution to a spiritual problem, and and then on top of being this charismatic strong leader, the Antichrist and the false prophet will be performing miracles. So it's like the world will marvel after this guy. So there it'll be a massive deception, which I guess leads to the third temple a little more just on the location of it. I believe you did a video where you went to the underground third temple, or you've talked about it, I believe. The one by the wall, I think, or where they're doing that underground Sanhedrin thing or something. Or what do you know about alternative locations for the third temple? I know, like right now with the red heifers and everything, that I believe the temple institute or someone associated with them has bought land on the Mount of Olives, and they say that they could just perform the Third Temple ceremony where they can view where they want the Third Temple, and this will cleanse the temple, cleanse the priests. They have like priests who weren't born in hospitals, haven't been to cemeteries. They have like all the traditions according to the Book of Numbers and everything else to perform a temple ceremony. With do you know have any take on alternative locations for the third temple or things things along these lines?

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Yeah, I remember the underground underground chamber that came out a few years ago. I I never went there myself, but I remember seeing videos about that. Yeah, it was some some kind of was it meeting room underground? Yeah. Near the Western Wall.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Yeah, I believe you maybe even asked that Sanhedrin leader about that location and if that's where they were meeting, trying to get closer to the Temple Mount or something.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Yes, yes, I recall that, yeah. No, so I I don't know. I haven't heard much about that since, but there is obviously they built did something under there, but I don't know if that that's really part of and he said it wasn't part of the third temple, but yeah, it's there is the theory that the temple was in the city of David, which is has been disproven, but it's another one of those that lingers around and becomes a bit of a buzz word, a buzz term that you know if you if you bring up the temple, then you'll get a few that just ah it's not the it's not the right location. But no, I don't believe that. There was a I forget who came up with that theory, but there was another guy um more recently who wrote books about that and and popularized it further. I forget his name, but I know I know he was in Jerusalem and and some of the people I hang would hang out with in uh Christchurch and places that they have a museum there and and people that are very in the well researched about these things, and I think this guy would refuse to have debates about it with people that really know what they're talking about. Yeah. So um, yeah, so the these books are popularised it. So they say that it was in the city of David, but it just doesn't make sense, it it wouldn't fit there, and this, that, and the other. And the archaeology is very clear that the the Temple Mount is the Temple Mount, and for many, many different reasons we could go into, but yeah, so so that whole thing. But then people say, and this is just speculation, but could the temple be built next to the Dome of the Rock, or would that be would that go, or we don't know for sure, obviously, but there are some there are some people in in the past who have like archaeologists that there was a German one, and he believed that the the the the temple was actually built, and there's there's a little thing called uh a monument where it's the called the Dome of the Spirits, and it's right next to the Dome of the Rock the the Shrine that's on there at the moment, Alaska. So it's next to it. So there are some like him who would say, Well, the temple was actually built there, and there's definitely enough room. So some people say, Well, could they build build them both on the temple mount together? Like, would it yeah? So I don't know. I mean the temple mount is absolutely huge. It's it's the size of several football pitches, is is absolutely huge. When you when you get up there, it's you can't see one end to the other, it's it's massive. So it really is a massive place. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:36

And we're kind of seeing which fits in with really all the prophecy that there's even a lot of like I know Jews are now allowed up there more, and there's more kind of this, I guess, ecumenical or at least coming together of these different religions. I know Saudi Arabia is getting more access to the Temple Mount. So, yeah, if this peace treaty comes, we may see a time where they they're able to build a temple near there or something.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Yeah, and and relations with Jordan, who has juris some jurisdiction over the Temple Mount, as part of the agreement from time a few decades ago, Jordan administer some of it. So it's not just Israel, which maybe some people in in the Western countries maybe don't know, but it's not just Israel. So Jordan and relations are very good with Jordan, I believe. They've they've got better in recent times, so yeah, it's interesting how the politics are are manoeuvring, and yeah, it's yeah, we're in a very interesting time, that's all I say.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Yeah, absolutely. We'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 42:49

They're they're definitely trying very hard, at least, to to get everything together, and it does make you wonder in the coming years the what political changes will happen in America and across the world and and whether there will be a mate a way made to build a temple at some point. Absolutely. I know that the the American Embassy was moved to Jerusalem. I'm not saying that's that's necessarily linked, but it's just a very interesting time, isn't it? There's a lot of things going on.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

So moving in that direction for sure. So I've got two more questions here for ya. So I mean, I made it very clear on my channel, I believe Jerusalem and Israel play, you know, a huge role in end times prophecy, if not like if not even the entire role, really. I mean, it really does seem as if when the end times comes, that it will be a worldwide event. But when you really look deeper into the prophecy, it seems very focused on Israel. I mean, the main Great Tribulation passage that w everyone references is you know Matthew 24, where Jesus talks about the Great Tribulation. And what I've always found interesting was in that passage, it says, Those who are in Judea or those who are you know in Jerusalem, don't even go back into your house to grab your stuff, flee to the mountains, flee to flee to Judea. So it's like, we're we're we're nowhere near Judea, you know, where we're you know in America or wherever we're at. So it really seems like this, and then again, New Jerusalem, Jesus coming to the Mount of Olives. So I'm just curious what your take is on Jerusalem, Israel, and end times prophecy, and how big of a role it plays.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Yeah, well, the the power. Of the fig tree of the leaves and the regathering of Israel. Absolutely clear from the Bible Zion and being born in a day, and as as soon as she gives birth, she goes into travail. These prophecies fit exactly what happened in 1948, born in a day, as soon as Israel came about, they were attacked from all sides, they miraculously, I would say, won against all the odds, absolutely surrounded. So all these things, and and it's just clear there's so many prophecies about it. And and the trouble is when people cut it out, because of the Rothschilds, or because of some forms of political Zionism which they don't agree with, they completely cut out Israel from Bible prophecy. And as you say, it's it's central. They look upon him whom they pierce when he returns, the the 144,000, all of these different things. Armageddon. Yeah Armageddon. The Battle of Armageddon.

unknown 45:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Yeah, yeah. And how do all these things happen if if Israel isn't there? And it's as you say, it's one of the key markers because for the first time in 2,000 years, the one thing that is completely different is that Israel is back in the land. As others have said, you could say that there were wars, there were rumors of wars, there's been famines, there's been earthquakes, and of course, these things are getting worse in the last days, but that they're not unique in 2000 years. Whereas Israel is the unique marker because they haven't been in the land, they haven't been a nation. So when people take out Israel from Bible prophecy, then they're going to get a lot of other things wrong. And and this is why personally I think there's a lot of churches in the UK that maybe are reformed, and I'm not I'm not against reformed churches, but I don't agree with their end times eschatology, some of them at least. But so they'll take that they will be replacement of theology, they won't have Israel in there, but then they'll also be amillennial, you know, they'll they'll also not recognize the millennial reign of Christ. And so it is it skews a lot of people's eschatology end times views when they take out Israel, and that doesn't surprise me because Israel is so central, as you say.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can, I mean, yeah, that's that really shows just how much of the world is always focused on Israel, you know, one of one of the very smallest nations in the world, and everyone's always talking about Israel. I mean, clearly it plays a huge role, but Israel has played a huge role all throughout history, and yeah, again, anybody who doesn't believe Israel plays a huge role in Bible prophecy or the Jewish people, you know, they just don't even know scripture, honestly. Yeah, and there's a lot of that going on.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

Yeah, and and just because the Rothschild signed a letter at the start of the founding of Israel, because they're a powerful family, or this, that, and the other, why does that mean that God didn't prophesy and that God isn't behind it? Because with with every single nation in the world, there's elitists, there's powerful people that make decisions all throughout history, because there's the it's the world we live in, and God appoints rulers, God appoints people, he uses people, even elitists that that serve the enemy, he uses them for his own will. And and the problem is that people put some of these families as God, and and that's something I've noticed is that they basically begin to think that these powerful rich people are in the place of God. They're making all the decisions, they're you know, that God is not sovereign over them in some way, and it becomes a very skewed thing. So I th I think uh that's some of these some of these uh ideas and and things that uh they've become a stumbling block for people and they no longer see see, you know, they can't see Israel. And also because of the recent war, which I obviously was it's been tragic and and a very difficult situation, but I noticed that that massively increased the hatred towards Israel being a nation, and and you get very strange, really, because you get some people that switch over to basically the a liberal point of view and and free Palestine and all this kind of stuff, and and they join into into that agenda because because it's pushed them there. And yeah, it's just very tragic to see uh the hatred. Yeah. And it's not to say Israel is perfect, just to say yeah, or the Jewish people or their beliefs, or yeah, yeah, which is yeah, we have to take it all into account and look at it.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

But yeah, I mean, even with the the Palestine thing, then we'll get into our last question, but just wanted to say, you know, the history of Palestine is not uh if you want to look at the history of Palestine, you need to look at the original land covenant that God made with Israel and with Abraham. It stretches into Palestine, it's way bigger than what they have now. So, you know, there's no like Israel took Palestine type of deal. You know, Israel, if we look at the history and we really want to look at that, you know, Israel had a way larger plot of land. And you know, they even like gave they gave the rights to the Temple Mount, I believe, to the Muslims or when they signed this agreement to try to like have a unifying relationship with them.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

But yeah, you know, yeah, they've given it all away for peace, which has never worked because every time they give some away, they get attacked again. Or yeah, so yeah, I think people have a lot of skewed history about the land. It's very complicated, it's never really been a peaceful place all throughout the ages, and a lot of different superpowers or bigger powers have ruled the land. It's it's always been an occupation from this to that to this to that. It never was this romantic idea of a of what people think it was. So it's always been governed by someone an occupying power throughout the centuries.

SPEAKER_01 51:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

And and then there were Jewish people already there, and they gave they gave it to Israel that Slither of land, and they gave the rest to Jordan. So they they already gave a lot of the land away to to Jordan, the British, and so they they only gave Israel a slither, and then obviously people want the slither to be gone too.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Yeah, it's crazy when you look at a map and how huge Jordan is, and then how small Israel is, and then people are saying, give it back to Jordan, it's like give me a break. They've been there forever. The history of the Jewish people goes for thousands of years, and they're saying that they don't have a right to be there, it's absurd. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, we could talk about this stuff forever, I'm sure. We could focus on any of these and probably talk for easily an hour or two. But I just wanted to kind of end this off, I think, with you know, to me, Jesus Christ obviously is the Messiah, he's the Christ. So many different reasons for that. And I'm just curious, what are some reasons or some ways that you have come to the conclusion that Jesus Christ is the Messiah?

SPEAKER_00 52:54

Wow, that's that's quite a question. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, multi multi-pronged question. I think it's clear that the Bible's true for a start. In whatever way you look at it. Uh, whether whether you look at the archaeology as you travel across the world and you go to these places where the Apostle Paul was or to Israel, see all the places Jesus was, see the evidences and that in itself just shows you, well, if this is true, then I should be able to go and I should be able to see it. And and you can. And and any any decent archaeology that comes up like in Israel just constantly proves the Bible again and again. So from that, from that side I can see the Bible is true. And from the spiritual side in the world, you can see the Bible's true. Because you can see that these uh celebrities, some of them, uh and uh social manipulators, they they honour the the enemy, they honour the devil, they uh they put the propaganda in there antichrist stuff, worshipping the antichrist and promoting Nimrod and the Tower of Babel and Babylon. And you can see all of that through there. So socially in in our time, you can see absolutely that the the Bible is true, and and prophecy. You can see that the prophecies are coming about like never before, and and we're in a very unique time for that. So the but it's pretty clear that you can see the Bible's true, and so from that side, if if the if the enemy's real, if the devil's real, if the Bible's really historical and it's all true, then then it stands to reason that the one that it's all pointing to in the Bible is also real. So Jesus is the centre of the Bible. Jesus is what all the prophecies were were talking about, and Jesus is who the world hates and despises, and and that's still there. And you find that if you talk about Jesus you're often mocked and derided, just in the same way. So it's very charged, and it all comes together really to to see that, uh and then you go into personal experience that that you you see you see him work in the lives of people that come to him, and uh you you also notice the when when you believe in him that ev that things change and so y you notice that spiritual when you're born again that you spiritually are reconciled to God and and the Bible begins to come alive in a way that it wouldn't without him. And when you're born again you see him working through your life and it's it's hard to explain maybe for someone who hasn't seen that, but there's no way that I would be convicted of doing wrong if it wasn't for that spiritual of spiritually of being born again and having his Holy Spirit in me, because that's not of myself, because I didn't care at all uh when I didn't when I didn't have salvation. And and it's not to say that we're perfect or we're anywhere near his right, you know, of being perfect, but we receive that gift of his righteousness, and and we begin to s we we see that we are separated from him by our sin. And that's the very reason that he came is that we couldn't save ourselves, and that we are deeply, deeply flawed and dead in our sin without him, and so he came to this earth two thousand years ago, and and he died on that cross to take the punishment for all of our sin and and to forgive us and redeem us and shed his blood so that we may be washed clean, and then he rose again on the third day and and ascended to heaven. So I I know I've seen it in my life, I've seen it in the lives of others, I've seen it in the lives of my granddad growing up, that I've seen him on his deathbed, I've seen him mouthing the words of when you walk through the fire you will not be set ablaze, when you cross the river, you'll not be swept away, and and to see to see men die well in total assurance and confidence that they know Christ and and they know where they're going, and like Spurgeon said, Jesus whispers to every Christian on their deathbed to that today you'll be with me in paradise. And that hope just doesn't come from anywhere else. Yeah, uh, you see Satanists die and and they're like one of one of them, was it LeVay or someone said I or Crowley said, I'm perplexed. Yeah, they're not at rest and peace when they die. Yeah, so I know I know a hundred percent that all these things are true. The Bible completely describes our state, the state of the world, why it is the way it is, what happened, the curse, the sin, Adam and Eve, the corruption of every man's heart, and it it's a very just a very raw and real book, and you can see it working out in the world every day. And we just know that when when you really search, and this is what what I believe, like Johnny Cash said, that everyone who wants to know the truth ends up at Jesus. Because if if you truly want to know the truth, which is something that I did, I cried out, if you're there, please show me. And it's the same for Muslims that cry out for for the truth. God reveals himself to them because if you really seek him, then you will find him, as Jesus said, yeah. And and you see the evidence of that all around. If you genuinely want to know the truth, you will find Jesus, and that's how I know Jesus is the truth.

SPEAKER_01 59:55

Amen. Amen, brother. That's put perfectly. That would have exactly been my answer, too. You know, if you look at the Bible and you study the prophecy of it, you can just see everything points to Jesus. Jesus came. You can see, even in the world, the importance of Jesus. We count our years from him, you know, 2024 years since Jesus came. Why in the world do people use Jesus' name as a cuss word if he's just like some made-up person in history that makes no sense? All these different things point to it. And then, yeah, when you go to him with a whole heart, with your open heart, he really reveals to you that he's real. I mean, the first time I ever read the Bible, I don't think I mentioned this on your show last time, but the first time I ever read the Bible and believed it, I was reading and I was like staying with someone. I went and grabbed a glass of water. I may have mentioned this, but I filled up their glass of water because I saw their cup was empty and came back and sat down. And the next verse I read, anyone who gets someone a glass of water in my name surely won't lose their reward. And so I'm like, what are the odds, impossible odds for that to happen? The first time I read the Bible with a believing heart, that's what happened. So we can see God working in our life. And yes, Jesus transforms people's lives. There's so many testimonies of Muslims coming to Jesus or drug addicts, alcoholics, broken families healed. We don't see this in other areas of life or in in you know the new age, you're constantly needing more ayahuasca, more DMT, more enlightenment, more astral projection, but where your cup is never full, but with Jesus, your cup is overflowing. And so the Bible clearly historically can prove Jesus is the Messiah, prophecy proves it. And then one of the more easily noticeable ones is just the personal transformation that he gives in our lives, and just what a blessing it is to know Christ as the Messiah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:50

Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I totally agree agree with what you're saying. It's yeah, I was gonna say something, but it's gone out of my head. That's oh no, that was it. The like you said about when you're shown Bible verses and and given them, and and people are used, God uses people to give you the right verse at the right time. I mean, those things alone, not that I base my belief on experience alone, because we obviously we base it on the the word of God. But it is interesting how it happens and and how God disciplines us and God guides us, and when you when you know him in the relationship with him, all those things become apparent and real, and and you do see him correcting you and convicting you and and growing you, and you do see things happen that he he brings you to into a situation at a certain time for a reason, and and it's like even recently I've I feeling very down on myself, I was feeling very condemned and uh finding things difficult, and three I think it was two or three times in several days, the verse that I had at my baptism came was given to me by a brother in Christ, and on a Bible lap, and then a verse of the day comes up, it's the same one, it's the my baptism hymn. It's it's where it's the one that says we we have a great high priest. Can I just bring that up quickly? Because I want to read it right before we finish.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:33

Absolutely, and as you look that up, I'll just point out like I have this little daily devotional thing that I read with Bible verses, and I got that right when I became a brand new Christian, and then or Matthew 11, 24, I believe it is, forget right now, but where come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest, and how that really spoke to him. And I was like, hmm, you know, that may be one of my favorite verses, too. That's pretty cool. And then it's just like God speaks to you if you're open to hear to him hear him, especially through his word.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. And it's amazing how he uses other people as well. Oh, yeah, big time. As we are a body of Christ, and yeah, so it's Jesus the great high priest, it's Hebrews 4, 14 to 16. It's seeing then that we have a great high priest that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted, like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. And um so that was that was a verse I got my baptism, and it was just a great reminder because I was feeling very condemned at the time, and like I sometimes you just feel like you you want to give up, and that you you're never gonna be good enough, and just these intrusive thoughts come in your mind, and and yeah, that that verse was given to me several times, and it was baptism one, and just basically reminded me that yeah, go go to the throne of grace. God has got enough grace and mercy to help in the time of need, so amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

That's awesome, brother. Well, we kind of view the vi the Bible in very similar ways, which is nice when someone's willing to open it and and then through love and grace view the world and prophecy through that. And so it's really always a pleasure to talk to you. And you know, you run, of course, again the rise. Sometimes I type Rise RSE in YouTube to pull it up because that pulls it up faster. Okay. YouTube channel, but if you just type in a rise rsc on it, it'll pull your channel up. Okay, yeah, yeah. So yeah, I guess if you don't have uh anything to close off with, or if there's anything else you'd like to say, and then we'll end the conversation for today.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

Yeah, I mean, it was just to say it was great to speak to you. I enjoyed it very much. Like you say, we could probably speak for eight hours and uh not run out of topics to uh discuss either way. Yeah, I just really appreciate it, and I hope we speak again soon.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Yeah, yeah. Amen, brother, same here.