How the Church Can Discern Our Times Like the Sons of Issachar

How the Church Can Discern Our Times Like the Sons of Issachar

YWAM leader Fred Markert offers spiritual and credible insight into what's going on in our culture and what's ahead for our nation. Listen to this special interview now.

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Episode Notes

The Strang Report

With Stephen Strang

Guest: Fred Markert

YWAM leader Fred Markert offers spiritual and credible insight into what's going on in our culture and what's ahead for our nation. Listen to this special interview now.

Introduction

Stephen Strang: The Bible talks about the sons of Issachar, who are able to discern the times. And with so much going on in our culture, sometimes we get confused. We tend to get our news and information from ungodly sources. A lot of Christians kind of over-spiritualize things and sometimes they don't have a lot of credibility. My guest today has a lot of credibility and has great insight.

 

·         1 Chronicles 12:32: From the sons of Issachar, those having understanding of times and what Israel should do: two hundred of their captains with all their brothers at their command” (MEV)

 

Hello, everyone. this is Stephen Strang and thank you for listening to the Strang Report today. My guest is Fred Markert. You probably have heard of him. He's one of the leaders in YWAM, which is Youth with a Mission. In fact, he one of their top leaders, and he goes into the most unbelievable parts of the world and has his entire career. He has taken the gospel into places that we can't even really talk about because it is so secret. But in the process, he has become a real expert in being able to understand what's going on in the culture. In this interview that I did with him recently when I was in Minneapolis, Minnesota, he talks about how there are good and bad things going on in the culture. How we have to discern them, and really what God is doing. So, listen to this podcast with Fred Markert to understand what is going on.

 

·         Read the Strang Report: Culture Expert: How the Church Can Discern Our Times Like the Sons of Issachar

 

Stephen Strang: Fred Markert, you have been involved in missions your entire life. You have trained many, many young people and been to many parts of the world and seen many cultures, and have become an observer of what's going on in the culture. So much so that churches and even some universities bring you in to lecture. So, what can you tell me and my listeners about what you see happening in contemporary America?

Fred Markert: Well, Steve, it's really two things that are happening. We have to be mature enough to embrace both. There's a lot of good happening and a lot of bad happening. Generally speaking, on the right side of the political fence, people look at the good and highlight that and don't necessarily look at some of the negative trends. On the left, they tend to focus on the negative trends and can't see some of the good. That divide is really hurting us as a nation. We need to be mature enough to say there's always good and bad. Actually, there are no real solutions to some of our problems. There are trade-offs that have to come through compromise. We've lost that ability to compromise really, politically, especially in our country. The polarization that's happening really distresses me. Even the projected trends of how that's going to go isn't very encouraging. It just looks like more and more polarization is in the future in our country. That's probably the greatest concern I have. So, I believe the church has a big role to play in that because we teach values of love, compassion, unity, reaching out to our fellow man, tolerance. So, I believe this is the best time for the church to rise up here in America.

Stephen Strang: So, what does church need to do? How can we get it started? How can we do something ourselves to try to change this?

Fred Markert: There's a great sociologist named Jonathan Haidt at NYU up in New York City. He has an awesome book called The Righteous Mind. He’s not a believer, but he really understands kind of how our societies work. He talks about the moral matrix, where there are five values that people hold to varying degrees, that really are the moral foundations of your country. The value of care versus harm, fairness versus cheating, loyalty versus betrayal, authority versus subversion and sanctity versus degradation. On the political left, and non-believers tend to focus on two of those five values. They focus on the care and the fairness. So, they have great compassion for the underdog, whether it's the underdog in our society, or the underdog, the immigrants they see that want to float across the border. They put great emphasis on the care and the fairness and equality. So, they see people who maybe aren't doing as well as others in the society and they really just burn with emotional passion for fairness. So, they have a two-legged moral matrix right out of the five. What happens with the church, we tend to, in America, really emphasize the loyalty, authority and sanctity three legs. Things like membership in churches, things like the loyalty to our own country, patriotism; things like sanctity, holiness, matter to us. And though we do have the other two elements in our moral matrix of care and fairness, generally that isn't preached as much from the podium as issues that have to do more with the loyalty authority and sanctity issue. So, what we can do first off in our pulpits is really make sure our messages that we're communicating really have those five elements in it; not only holiness, sanctity, and God's moral laws, but also respect for the governing authorities.

 

·         Romans 13:1-2: Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment” (MEV).

 

Talk about the proper role of authority like in Romans 13. Loyalty community, our greater community outside the church; our city, our country. But also talk about fairness, but not so much equality of outcome as equality of opportunity, really looking for practical ways we can help raise people up to have more opportunities. The church I go to, Church of the Highlands in Birmingham, Alabama, we're very involved in the more underdeveloped parts of our city and helping people in productive ways. It’s not just giving out charity, but helping empower people to rise above their circumstances. We serve tens of thousands every year in the worst parts of our city, with after-school programs, with health for single moms, Dream Center, Christ Health Center, providing medical and dental care. So, that is really where the church needs to go in America. We need to really address some of the fairness and care issues more in our society.

 

Connect with Fred Markert

·         On Facebook

·         Churchofthehighlands.com

·         On YouTube

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

Episode Notes

The Strang Report

With Stephen Strang

Guest: Fred Markert

YWAM leader Fred Markert offers spiritual and credible insight into what's going on in our culture and what's ahead for our nation. Listen to this special interview now.

Introduction

Stephen Strang: The Bible talks about the sons of Issachar, who are able to discern the times. And with so much going on in our culture, sometimes we get confused. We tend to get our news and information from ungodly sources. A lot of Christians kind of over-spiritualize things and sometimes they don't have a lot of credibility. My guest today has a lot of credibility and has great insight.

 

·         1 Chronicles 12:32: From the sons of Issachar, those having understanding of times and what Israel should do: two hundred of their captains with all their brothers at their command” (MEV)

 

Hello, everyone. this is Stephen Strang and thank you for listening to the Strang Report today. My guest is Fred Markert. You probably have heard of him. He's one of the leaders in YWAM, which is Youth with a Mission. In fact, he one of their top leaders, and he goes into the most unbelievable parts of the world and has his entire career. He has taken the gospel into places that we can't even really talk about because it is so secret. But in the process, he has become a real expert in being able to understand what's going on in the culture. In this interview that I did with him recently when I was in Minneapolis, Minnesota, he talks about how there are good and bad things going on in the culture. How we have to discern them, and really what God is doing. So, listen to this podcast with Fred Markert to understand what is going on.

 

·         Read the Strang Report: Culture Expert: How the Church Can Discern Our Times Like the Sons of Issachar

 

Stephen Strang: Fred Markert, you have been involved in missions your entire life. You have trained many, many young people and been to many parts of the world and seen many cultures, and have become an observer of what's going on in the culture. So much so that churches and even some universities bring you in to lecture. So, what can you tell me and my listeners about what you see happening in contemporary America?

Fred Markert: Well, Steve, it's really two things that are happening. We have to be mature enough to embrace both. There's a lot of good happening and a lot of bad happening. Generally speaking, on the right side of the political fence, people look at the good and highlight that and don't necessarily look at some of the negative trends. On the left, they tend to focus on the negative trends and can't see some of the good. That divide is really hurting us as a nation. We need to be mature enough to say there's always good and bad. Actually, there are no real solutions to some of our problems. There are trade-offs that have to come through compromise. We've lost that ability to compromise really, politically, especially in our country. The polarization that's happening really distresses me. Even the projected trends of how that's going to go isn't very encouraging. It just looks like more and more polarization is in the future in our country. That's probably the greatest concern I have. So, I believe the church has a big role to play in that because we teach values of love, compassion, unity, reaching out to our fellow man, tolerance. So, I believe this is the best time for the church to rise up here in America.

Stephen Strang: So, what does church need to do? How can we get it started? How can we do something ourselves to try to change this?

Fred Markert: There's a great sociologist named Jonathan Haidt at NYU up in New York City. He has an awesome book called The Righteous Mind. He’s not a believer, but he really understands kind of how our societies work. He talks about the moral matrix, where there are five values that people hold to varying degrees, that really are the moral foundations of your country. The value of care versus harm, fairness versus cheating, loyalty versus betrayal, authority versus subversion and sanctity versus degradation. On the political left, and non-believers tend to focus on two of those five values. They focus on the care and the fairness. So, they have great compassion for the underdog, whether it's the underdog in our society, or the underdog, the immigrants they see that want to float across the border. They put great emphasis on the care and the fairness and equality. So, they see people who maybe aren't doing as well as others in the society and they really just burn with emotional passion for fairness. So, they have a two-legged moral matrix right out of the five. What happens with the church, we tend to, in America, really emphasize the loyalty, authority and sanctity three legs. Things like membership in churches, things like the loyalty to our own country, patriotism; things like sanctity, holiness, matter to us. And though we do have the other two elements in our moral matrix of care and fairness, generally that isn't preached as much from the podium as issues that have to do more with the loyalty authority and sanctity issue. So, what we can do first off in our pulpits is really make sure our messages that we're communicating really have those five elements in it; not only holiness, sanctity, and God's moral laws, but also respect for the governing authorities.

 

·         Romans 13:1-2: Let every person be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment” (MEV).

 

Talk about the proper role of authority like in Romans 13. Loyalty community, our greater community outside the church; our city, our country. But also talk about fairness, but not so much equality of outcome as equality of opportunity, really looking for practical ways we can help raise people up to have more opportunities. The church I go to, Church of the Highlands in Birmingham, Alabama, we're very involved in the more underdeveloped parts of our city and helping people in productive ways. It’s not just giving out charity, but helping empower people to rise above their circumstances. We serve tens of thousands every year in the worst parts of our city, with after-school programs, with health for single moms, Dream Center, Christ Health Center, providing medical and dental care. So, that is really where the church needs to go in America. We need to really address some of the fairness and care issues more in our society.

 

Connect with Fred Markert

·         On Facebook

·         Churchofthehighlands.com

·         On YouTube

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

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