How God Used What was Meant for Evil for His Miraculous Good

How God Used What was Meant for Evil for His Miraculous Good

In part 2 of my interview with Christian Newswire's Gary McCullough, Gary shares a story of how an unlikely newspaper article led to a woman's decision not to abort her child.

 

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Episode Notes

The Strang Report

With Stephen Strang

Guest: Gary McCullough

Part 2

In part 2 of my interview with Christian Newswire's Gary McCullough, Gary shares a story of how an unlikely newspaper article led to a woman's decision not to abort her child.

Introduction

Stephen Strang: Over the years, I've written a lot of articles about the horror of abortion and the importance of having a pro-life stand. And, I've done a few podcasts recently. I talked to Gary McCullough who is the owner of Christian Newswire and a pro-life activist and I wanted to interview Gary again because in a short podcast, we can't get all the good stories. Gary, I want to talk about some of the stories that you've told me just talking as friends, about how sometimes something as small as a comment in an article actually saves lives.

·         Read the Strang Report: How a Vicious Pro-Choice Article Stopped One Woman From Having an Abortion

Gary McCullough: I think I know the story we were talking about. It is what motivated me early on in my involvement in the pro-life movement. I was a salesman and I sold watches, of all things, for Seiko Corporation, to sell something else, which was the idea that abortion is a bad thing and that people trying to stop abortion is a good thing. So, I got involved in the media. In the early days of what was a group of thousands of Christians across the country doing sit-ins at abortion clinics, it was an organization called Operation Rescue. We were getting a lot of media and we were getting a lot of negative media. Me, as somebody who was trying to scope the pro-life idea of what we do with media, was confronted with an article in, I believe it was the LA Times … there was a complete and total hatchet job on everything pro-lifers were doing at the time. The reason why this article stands out to me, and why I bring it up to people is that when we're given opportunities to talk about the pro-life movement or to talk about our faith, to people who are A, totally against us in the pro-life arena and B, pretty much hate God, are going to do everything they can to embarrass us or to make us look stupid, or to misquote us. I tell people, you know what, do it anyway, speak what God gives you no matter what. This article is sort of an example of that. The article that came out in the LA Times was a hatchet piece. It made us look stupid, it told everything that could possibly be bad about the pro-life movement at this time. Yet, in the midst of this article, there was one quote from a local pastor where he says that he believed that an unborn baby that was at risk from abortion is a child; very short, very succinct phrase and very little good news in the middle of a fairly long article that was an attack piece. I happened to be on the phones the following day of this article coming out at the offices of Operation Rescue and I was doing something I don't usually do, answer the phones. I took a call and a woman was there telling me her story of how she just read this article. I'm thinking that she's going to be like all the other people call us a bunch of names and, and hang up on me. But she told me that she had had an abortion scheduled for that day, and that she read this article,

and that because of it, she canceled her appointment. I'm scratching my head and saying, how is this possible? All it did was support everything about why you would want to have an abortion as far as I could read in the article. Yet she had read that one phrase from that one pastor and she found one person who believed what she believed, that what was inside of her was a child. Despite what her parents told her, her friends told her, her boyfriend told her, they were all saying just have the abortion and be done with it. In every way they were encouraging her to have an abortion, she found one person in an article hit piece who agreed with her that what was inside of it was a child. That hit piece basically saved that baby's life.

·         Listen to Part 1 of Stephen’s interview with Gary McCullough on the CPN Network

·         Listen to the Strang Report: Why You Should Go See “Unplanned” in Theaters

Stephen Strang: That's amazing. I have been around practically no one who's had an abortion in my circle. If it happens, it's very, very hush hush. The reason I said that is that the one story I do know is the story of Scott Plakon, and he's one of my very best friends. He is also a member of the Florida Legislature. He's a representative from our area in Central Florida. His story is that his mother got pregnant out of wedlock. She and his father were 18. They were high school students and there were members of his mother's family that encouraged the mother to get an abortion. This would have been in the late 1950s. It would have been more than a decade before Roe v. Wade. Abortion was available, obviously. She decided to not only keep him, she married his father and later they had two other sons. Scott has told that story publicly with his mother's permission. I've been at campaign events where he talked about that, and as a result, he is arguably the strongest pro-life advocate in the Florida Legislature. It's different when you find out that it’s your life that would have been taken by abortion. I have known a couple of other people over the years that maybe that wasn't the day of the abortion or something like that, but maybe they seriously considered it. In our culture, more and more, that's the norm. And it's sad. I want you to tell another story. That is the odyssey you had when you wer in high school, leading a youth group. You were confronted with an abortion. So, tell me what happened.

Gary McCullough: This is one of those stories that very, very few people in my life know. When I was in high school, I was very involved in my church, so much so that I was leading Bible studies at my own high school and two neighboring high schools. So, I guess you could say people looked at me like, oh, this guy knows what God wants to know, this guy is in with God, if you will. The way you have a reputation in a school is not so much … t here's no theological understanding that says hey, he leads these Bible studies so he must know what's going on. And I thought I did as well. I'm driving to school, probably a sophomore in high school at this point … with my father, my father loves Jesus, and every area of his life is trying to serve Jesus. So, I wouldn't tell him something that I thought was wrong. So, we're driving to my school and I tell him that, after school that day, I'm driving a friend and his girlfriend down to have an abortion. He about wrecked the car. He had tears in his eyes and explained to me right then what was going to happen; a baby was going to be killed. This was a total shock to me. Now when I tell the story or when I've told the story in the past, really the part of the shock is how can a guy who's in high school in the 1970s was Roe v. Wade was obviously in the newspapers and news at this period of America's history … It was a big issue, right? And I am an involved Christian teen who talking to other teens about everything from sex and dating to all kinds of proper behavior expected of people who believe in Jesus … how can I not know anything about the evil of abortion? yet? That was my situation at that point. I'm not saying that directly led me the next day to become an activist, but it's something I certainly look back and say, how did we get to the point as a church in the 1970s and the 1980s, to not talk about it, even to the people like me as a teenager, probably needed to hear the most about it.

Stephen Strang: That’s an amazing story. Your experience is probably typical of a lot of people. In fact, back in that era, it was the Roman Catholics are mainly opposing abortion. Protestants were mostly silent for reasons I don't really understand. As I was becoming a young adult in that era, hearing about abortion, not knowing anyone that had an abortion, not having the same kind of situation. I do remember that my mother had a miscarriage very early in the pregnancy, before I was born, and later on two miscarriages that I actually remembered. Our family did not treat them as deaths. The babies were not given names, they were not buried. In fact, I don't know what they did with fetuses back then. It would have been very, very early in the pregnancies both times. So, I guess we didn't talk about it much. But the argument was always this is just fetal material, and it's not really a person. And of course, as I begin to understand the dynamics, I realized it really was a person, a potential person. If her first pregnancy become a person, I wouldn't be here probably because my parents would not have had me, and I've reflected on that. But it is life, life from conception. God created that life and we have to understand that. This is an issue that that has to do with right and wrong, in some ways it is the defining issue of our day. I just thank you for what you've done over the years. I know you well enough to know that you have been a major force and trying to let people know about abortion through Christian Newswire. Of course, you serve many other clients and you have a thriving business but this has been a crusade for you. So, thank you for that. And is there anything else that you want to add?

Gary McCullough: Listening to what you said sparked something that I feel like, as a Christian body, if you will say the church in America, is that we have a guilt in our past. To me, it might have been, I'm driving a teenage friend to have an abortion, to a woman who may have had a miscarriage or an abortion in some way feels guilty that there was a life that she didn't protect one way or the other. Maybe she didn't actively have an abortion, maybe it was simply another way of losing that child's life. But the way that men and women have reacted to unborn children in their past puts a guilt in them just like a guy who doesn't go to church feels like he can't talk to his friend about going to church, because there's a guilt inside of us. It feels like we can't be used of God in this situation. I'm saying that there isn't a person involved in the pro-life movement that I know of that hasn't had to overcome the realization at some level, we were part of the problem. We either didn't speak up, we didn't do something, but as Christians to realize that every biblical hero we could possibly have failed at some point or in some way, failure was part of what was in their mind. We really have to reconcile our self to Christ and understand fully His forgiveness to be able to be used of Him. I think that it's one of those things that’s obvious in the pro-life movement more than other places because it's such a visible child involved in possibly our guilt, and the forgiveness we have to seek.

Connect with Gary McCullough

·         On LinkedIn

·         On Twitter

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

Episode Notes

The Strang Report

With Stephen Strang

Guest: Gary McCullough

Part 2

In part 2 of my interview with Christian Newswire's Gary McCullough, Gary shares a story of how an unlikely newspaper article led to a woman's decision not to abort her child.

Introduction

Stephen Strang: Over the years, I've written a lot of articles about the horror of abortion and the importance of having a pro-life stand. And, I've done a few podcasts recently. I talked to Gary McCullough who is the owner of Christian Newswire and a pro-life activist and I wanted to interview Gary again because in a short podcast, we can't get all the good stories. Gary, I want to talk about some of the stories that you've told me just talking as friends, about how sometimes something as small as a comment in an article actually saves lives.

·         Read the Strang Report: How a Vicious Pro-Choice Article Stopped One Woman From Having an Abortion

Gary McCullough: I think I know the story we were talking about. It is what motivated me early on in my involvement in the pro-life movement. I was a salesman and I sold watches, of all things, for Seiko Corporation, to sell something else, which was the idea that abortion is a bad thing and that people trying to stop abortion is a good thing. So, I got involved in the media. In the early days of what was a group of thousands of Christians across the country doing sit-ins at abortion clinics, it was an organization called Operation Rescue. We were getting a lot of media and we were getting a lot of negative media. Me, as somebody who was trying to scope the pro-life idea of what we do with media, was confronted with an article in, I believe it was the LA Times … there was a complete and total hatchet job on everything pro-lifers were doing at the time. The reason why this article stands out to me, and why I bring it up to people is that when we're given opportunities to talk about the pro-life movement or to talk about our faith, to people who are A, totally against us in the pro-life arena and B, pretty much hate God, are going to do everything they can to embarrass us or to make us look stupid, or to misquote us. I tell people, you know what, do it anyway, speak what God gives you no matter what. This article is sort of an example of that. The article that came out in the LA Times was a hatchet piece. It made us look stupid, it told everything that could possibly be bad about the pro-life movement at this time. Yet, in the midst of this article, there was one quote from a local pastor where he says that he believed that an unborn baby that was at risk from abortion is a child; very short, very succinct phrase and very little good news in the middle of a fairly long article that was an attack piece. I happened to be on the phones the following day of this article coming out at the offices of Operation Rescue and I was doing something I don't usually do, answer the phones. I took a call and a woman was there telling me her story of how she just read this article. I'm thinking that she's going to be like all the other people call us a bunch of names and, and hang up on me. But she told me that she had had an abortion scheduled for that day, and that she read this article,

and that because of it, she canceled her appointment. I'm scratching my head and saying, how is this possible? All it did was support everything about why you would want to have an abortion as far as I could read in the article. Yet she had read that one phrase from that one pastor and she found one person who believed what she believed, that what was inside of her was a child. Despite what her parents told her, her friends told her, her boyfriend told her, they were all saying just have the abortion and be done with it. In every way they were encouraging her to have an abortion, she found one person in an article hit piece who agreed with her that what was inside of it was a child. That hit piece basically saved that baby's life.

·         Listen to Part 1 of Stephen’s interview with Gary McCullough on the CPN Network

·         Listen to the Strang Report: Why You Should Go See “Unplanned” in Theaters

Stephen Strang: That's amazing. I have been around practically no one who's had an abortion in my circle. If it happens, it's very, very hush hush. The reason I said that is that the one story I do know is the story of Scott Plakon, and he's one of my very best friends. He is also a member of the Florida Legislature. He's a representative from our area in Central Florida. His story is that his mother got pregnant out of wedlock. She and his father were 18. They were high school students and there were members of his mother's family that encouraged the mother to get an abortion. This would have been in the late 1950s. It would have been more than a decade before Roe v. Wade. Abortion was available, obviously. She decided to not only keep him, she married his father and later they had two other sons. Scott has told that story publicly with his mother's permission. I've been at campaign events where he talked about that, and as a result, he is arguably the strongest pro-life advocate in the Florida Legislature. It's different when you find out that it’s your life that would have been taken by abortion. I have known a couple of other people over the years that maybe that wasn't the day of the abortion or something like that, but maybe they seriously considered it. In our culture, more and more, that's the norm. And it's sad. I want you to tell another story. That is the odyssey you had when you wer in high school, leading a youth group. You were confronted with an abortion. So, tell me what happened.

Gary McCullough: This is one of those stories that very, very few people in my life know. When I was in high school, I was very involved in my church, so much so that I was leading Bible studies at my own high school and two neighboring high schools. So, I guess you could say people looked at me like, oh, this guy knows what God wants to know, this guy is in with God, if you will. The way you have a reputation in a school is not so much … t here's no theological understanding that says hey, he leads these Bible studies so he must know what's going on. And I thought I did as well. I'm driving to school, probably a sophomore in high school at this point … with my father, my father loves Jesus, and every area of his life is trying to serve Jesus. So, I wouldn't tell him something that I thought was wrong. So, we're driving to my school and I tell him that, after school that day, I'm driving a friend and his girlfriend down to have an abortion. He about wrecked the car. He had tears in his eyes and explained to me right then what was going to happen; a baby was going to be killed. This was a total shock to me. Now when I tell the story or when I've told the story in the past, really the part of the shock is how can a guy who's in high school in the 1970s was Roe v. Wade was obviously in the newspapers and news at this period of America's history … It was a big issue, right? And I am an involved Christian teen who talking to other teens about everything from sex and dating to all kinds of proper behavior expected of people who believe in Jesus … how can I not know anything about the evil of abortion? yet? That was my situation at that point. I'm not saying that directly led me the next day to become an activist, but it's something I certainly look back and say, how did we get to the point as a church in the 1970s and the 1980s, to not talk about it, even to the people like me as a teenager, probably needed to hear the most about it.

Stephen Strang: That’s an amazing story. Your experience is probably typical of a lot of people. In fact, back in that era, it was the Roman Catholics are mainly opposing abortion. Protestants were mostly silent for reasons I don't really understand. As I was becoming a young adult in that era, hearing about abortion, not knowing anyone that had an abortion, not having the same kind of situation. I do remember that my mother had a miscarriage very early in the pregnancy, before I was born, and later on two miscarriages that I actually remembered. Our family did not treat them as deaths. The babies were not given names, they were not buried. In fact, I don't know what they did with fetuses back then. It would have been very, very early in the pregnancies both times. So, I guess we didn't talk about it much. But the argument was always this is just fetal material, and it's not really a person. And of course, as I begin to understand the dynamics, I realized it really was a person, a potential person. If her first pregnancy become a person, I wouldn't be here probably because my parents would not have had me, and I've reflected on that. But it is life, life from conception. God created that life and we have to understand that. This is an issue that that has to do with right and wrong, in some ways it is the defining issue of our day. I just thank you for what you've done over the years. I know you well enough to know that you have been a major force and trying to let people know about abortion through Christian Newswire. Of course, you serve many other clients and you have a thriving business but this has been a crusade for you. So, thank you for that. And is there anything else that you want to add?

Gary McCullough: Listening to what you said sparked something that I feel like, as a Christian body, if you will say the church in America, is that we have a guilt in our past. To me, it might have been, I'm driving a teenage friend to have an abortion, to a woman who may have had a miscarriage or an abortion in some way feels guilty that there was a life that she didn't protect one way or the other. Maybe she didn't actively have an abortion, maybe it was simply another way of losing that child's life. But the way that men and women have reacted to unborn children in their past puts a guilt in them just like a guy who doesn't go to church feels like he can't talk to his friend about going to church, because there's a guilt inside of us. It feels like we can't be used of God in this situation. I'm saying that there isn't a person involved in the pro-life movement that I know of that hasn't had to overcome the realization at some level, we were part of the problem. We either didn't speak up, we didn't do something, but as Christians to realize that every biblical hero we could possibly have failed at some point or in some way, failure was part of what was in their mind. We really have to reconcile our self to Christ and understand fully His forgiveness to be able to be used of Him. I think that it's one of those things that’s obvious in the pro-life movement more than other places because it's such a visible child involved in possibly our guilt, and the forgiveness we have to seek.

Connect with Gary McCullough

·         On LinkedIn

·         On Twitter

Where to Find Stephen Strang on the Internet

·         The Strang Report on Charismamag.com

·         The Strang Report on cpnshows.com

·         On Twitter

·         On Facebook

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