Curses, Iniquities, and the Blood of Jesus: A Journey to Spiritual Wholeness | Feat. Rikhard Hartikainen

Well, hey, everybody.

Welcome to the breakers podcast.

I'm here with my friend Rikard, and this is going to be an incredible time together because we're talking about curses, generational curses, the demonic.

Now, before you even think about clicking off, because maybe you assume you know everything there is to know, I want you to just stop right in your tracks and realize that the Holy Spirit's brought you here because we are going to go very deep into the scriptures and we're going to unveil a lot of things that are hidden to people.

We're also going to confront a lot of demonic lies that are circulating right now concerning this topic.

And we do it in all humility.

But this is an invitation to go deeper.

And I want you to, right now, even before we jump in, I want you to identify some curses that may be in operation in your life right now.

Because people come to me all the time and they're saying, man, Mike, you know, you're right.

This thing in my, my family line, you know, whether it's poverty, lack, sometimes it can be physical conditions.

I mean, you go to the doctor and the first thing they do is they ask you about your predisposition in your health.

And so the.

If biology understands it, then theology needs to be informed by it, and we need to see what God has in scripture.

So, Rickard, you're here.

You are based out of Seattle, Washington, and you serve as a pastor of an incredible church called Hungrygen.

At the time of this meeting, together, you're getting ready to launch a campus.

So welcome to the channel and thanks so much for your life.

You've set, I mean, tens of thousands of people free from demons, medically verifiable miracles.

You're a gospel preacher, you're a warrior, and we love you here at the breakers podcast.

Yeah.

Thank you so much, Pastor Mike, for having me.

Super excited to be here.

I feel like you guys are over on the east coast.

They're causing havoc to the kingdom of darkness.

And we're trying to.

Following your footsteps here on the left, on the west coast, kind of do the same thing and just honored to be here, Pastor.

Yeah.

Come on.

Well, so you have studied demonology, curses.

You're, you know, you personally have provided deliverance and deliverance training for many.

And I think oftentimes there can be this perception that, you know, charismatics, pentecostal, spirit filled people are not biblical, they're not theologically sound, that they.

They haven't studied the scriptures.

Y.

And of course, one of my heroes, everybody knows, is Derek Prince.

Who taught on these things extensively with his life, you know, Ivy League educated, probably a genius level iq.

And so it's not a lack of understanding.

And I, you know, and I say this again in all humility because there's, there's many people that they start maybe believing in generational curses and the need for deliverance.

And then they go on this journey and the enemy comes masquerading as an angel of light.

And so, you know, the battle we know is against light versus darkness.

But Satan never presents as darkness.

He always presents as a counterfeit or as an angel of light.

And so there's many people who, and these are good hearted people who've said, oh, I started to watch, you know, reformed pastors and preachers and people from the other side and you know, and they started to persuade me another way.

And I think for me I was deeply burdened by that.

But because, and maybe it's just because I'm going to speak for myself.

We do the work of, of deliverance so much that, and of course we teach about these things.

But I thought, what if I get together with Rickard and just go through some of the most common objections to the idea of New Testament curses.

Post resurrection, post cross, post blood of Jesus being shed.

You know, early church, all the way to the modern church objections to curses and let's just talk about it.

So are you all right if we just kind of jump right in?

Yeah, let's go.

I'm excited.

All right, cool.

Come on.

So here's one of the main, this is like one of the main objections that I've heard.

So when people talk about like individual responsibility.

So in Ezekiel chapter 18, and this is one of the most frequent objections and it basically says, you know, the, the soul who says sins is the one who will die.

And you know, the child will not share the guilt of the parent.

And so you have critics say, well, you know, well, God explicitly corrected this.

This is Old Testament, you know, the sour grape, there's the whole sour grapes proverb.

And basically was trying to ensure that Israel understood that divine judgment is individual, not ancestral.

And so this is, I, I faced this objection many, many times and I've got my perspective on it.

But have you studied that or do you have any thoughts on that?

Yeah, so absolutely.

Thank you so much, Pastor.

So first of all, I think that a lot of the curse theology kind of about curses is from the book of Exodus 20, it's from the book of Deuteronomy, all these curses where God says, hey, I will visit the iniquity of the fathers to the third and fourth generation, and so on and so forth.

I believe that in Ezekiel, when he says this through the prophet, that I would no longer do it the same way.

My personal understanding of this, having studied it and tried to kind of get a synthesis of a lot of scholarly insight as well, my understanding is this is, of course, referring to the covenant that God had with the people of Israel at Sinai.

I believe that the punishment for sin is brought on to the people.

That the kind of generational aspect of like, hey, your children will die because you turned away.

I believe that that is changed at that point.

And this is referring to divine curses, meaning the curses that God explicitly put in scripture to those people, people of Israel, the covenant, the old covenant of what they.

When they disobey, this will be the natural fallout.

And so I believe personally that this exact scripture of that is referring to that covenant, but that there are different types of curses.

You know, a lot of people say that there's just one kind of curse.

And you charismaniacs, you know, you make the blood of Jesus have no effect because you say that the curse can run past the cross and kind of go through the blood of Jesus and avoid those kind of things.

But that's not what this scripture is talking about.

This scripture is talking about God is no longer going to kill your children because of your sins.

Salvation is personal.

You have a relationship with God personally.

And so I believe that there are curses from God and then there are other forms of curses which are demonic in nature.

And so to understand that there is different ones, the ones that were stopped at the cross.

Bible says in Ephesians that Jesus took the curse on him, referring to a lot of these curses where God punishes the people.

So I believe that God no longer punishes the same way, the children, for the sake of the fathers.

But that does not mean that the devil is inactive in our day and age kind of a thing.

And so that's my understanding of that passage at least, is that God kind of changed that regarding how he approaches people.

Meaning I'm gonna show mercy to who I show mercy.

I'm gonna have a relationship with you, and you're not gonna suffer the punishment of what your father did, but I will base my relationship with you off of what you do.

Yeah, that's a really good distinction that needs to be made, too, because oftentimes as we read scriptures, you know, we'll take something and apply it over the totality of it.

And I think we, in this Instance, we have to go back specifically to who is that being spoken to?

Why was it being spoken?

And in proper context, you get an understanding of it.

And this leads to my next question, because, you know, people will say, well, Rickard, you know, when you guys talk about curses, even after confessing Christ as Savior, you are eliminating the sufficiency of Christ atonement.

You know, Galatians chapter 3, verse 13.

And there's a lot of theologians that argue that if Christ became a curse for us, then a believer cannot remain under a curse after confessing Christ as a savior.

And so to suggest that a Christian needs deliverance, or like some sort of deliverance ritual, they may call it, to break a generational curse, and is seen by some as, you know, well, that's Jesus plus some sort of ritual.

That's Jesus plus some sort of formula that undermines the finished work of the cross.

And that that's like a major contention that people have.

And so as somebody has.

Who has devoted your entire life, I mean, I've seen you in countless environments leading people through the process of breaking curses.

And these are people who have already confessed Christ as Savior.

Help us navigate that.

Yeah.

So first of all, when Jesus died at the cross, it says that he became a curse in our place.

Colossians says that we have been taken out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light.

So this is legal language.

All these kind of things are complete.

Legally, we have a new identity.

That does not mean that instantly, at the point of salvation, that that all my experiences, all my habits, all my mindsets, and all the demons that I have brought upon me during my BC days are just instantly removed.

And the best example of this that I found, I was searching New Testament, you know, where in the New Testament can we find this?

And I think there's two passages.

Romans 10:17 talks about faith comes by hearing.

And then we have Acts 19.

This is when Paul comes to Ephesus and he meets people there and he asks them, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you were baptized?

And so they answered, no, we did not even hear of such a thing as the Holy Spirit.

And so then he says, well, what did you get baptized in?

They're like, to whatever we knew to do kind of a thing.

You know, John's baptism.

And so he corrects that, and then he lays hand on them, and then they receive the Holy Spirit.

Now, if you switch this and put it into any kind of context, it shows that you receive what you have faith for, you receive what you know, faith comes by hearing, hearing comes by the word of God.

So today in modern society, at the point of salvation, a message of repentance, a message of identity, and a message of salvation is preached.

And this is what we have faith for at the point of salvation.

And so there is this already, but not yet tension that we see throughout Scripture, where things, when we understand them more and have faith for them, we can now receive that as well.

Just like the disciples in Ephesus received the Holy Spirit, even though, according to Paul is like, well, you should have received that at the point of baptism.

So also many people would say, well, you should have received deliverance at the point of salvation.

And, you know, Jesus paid for that.

Yeah, he paid for it.

But just because it's free doesn't mean that it's going to be forced down your throat against your knowledge or will.

And so a lot of people come and they receive salvation, but then when they understand more and they hear more about the spiritual atmosphere, the spiritual structure of our lives, they now understand and they receive faith for that.

And then it is just as free as salvation was.

There's no difference that, like, oh, deliverance is level two salvation.

No, it is part of the salvation package.

You should have received it at the point of salvation.

But it's just a lot for people and it's not preached everywhere.

And so therefore, it's like this progressive sanctification, this progressive transformation that affects both our minds and every part of our being, and so also our spiritual part.

And so for that reason, I believe that curses, if you don't deal with them at the point of salvation, they will still be there.

And the best, you know, experience shows us this.

I know the experience in spiritual settings are not authoritative.

Every experience must submit to the word of God.

But there is a lot of experiences of people in various parts of the world.

They love Jesus, they receive salvation, they.

But the kind of experiences that they have, the hardship, the demonic covenants that were made before has to be broken.

Legally, they are illegal in your bloodline.

But just like if you have ever rented out, if you're a landlord, you rented out an apartment, people, sometimes they're supposed to leave, but they haven't left yet.

Legally, you're not supposed to be in my house.

But that's where eviction services come in.

They don't negotiate, they don't ask you if you feel like leaving.

It's just, once you see me, you're gone.

And so that's the part that I think is really important to understand that, yes, Jesus broke The curse.

But you have to accept and receive the free gift of salvation, deliverance, and all of God's blessings.

So good.

So good.

So what you're saying is that you guys, like you and I, are part of the eviction services of heaven on earth, like, professional.

Well, okay, you.

You said a phrase, and I'm so glad you said it.

You said, we are living in the tension of the the now and the not yet.

And there's many people who may have heard that, but not understood what you were referencing theologically.

So if I could kind of tag team with you for a moment.

So upon salvation, our spirit is regenerated.

We were dead, and now we've been made alive through Christ.

And then, of course, our mind needs to be renewed, which is our emotions, you know, the soulish realm.

And we've been given the responsibility as new disciples to renew our own mind.

That's not something that's done for us.

We have to take that responsibility.

But then, unfortunately, our body, you know, will die and it needs to be resurrected.

Which is the best explanation for how the Holy Spirit, which dwells in our spirit upon salvation, can cohabitate with something as insidious as cancer in our physical body.

Because the promise is, you have been saved now and you will be saved in bodily later.

And so we have this ultimate promise that there is going to become a time where on a soulless level, spiritual level, and even a physical level with a glorified body, that this work will be completely done.

But we're living in the tension between now and not yet.

And I think, again, because we haven't taught people the biblical perspective on the triune nature of a human being.

They.

They say, well, how could a demon coexist, you know, with the Holy Spirit?

It's like.

But it's understanding how it's possible for somebody to live in one bedroom into the house and somebody else to live in the other bedroom of the house and to compartmentalize.

But it all be within the same auspices of the same house.

And I heard you sort of alluding to that and speaking to that.

So I don't know if you have a kind of a perspective or you want to kind of tag off on that as well.

Yeah, absolutely.

So I think throughout history, theologians have had different views on the triune, tripartite, bipartite nature of humans.

Whether we are three in one or two in one.

From the book of Genesis saying that God breathed life and man became a living soul.

Doesn't.

In that passage, it seems like they're not scripture does not specifically say soul and spirit.

And so.

But then we have first Thessalonians 5, 23, maybe.

Well, with you, with spirit, soul and body.

And so I am tripartite.

I believe that we are a spirit, we have a soul and we live in a body.

And I understand people who are have the basic assumption of being bipartite.

It's harder to accept that demons and the Holy Spirit could dwell in the same place, because the soul and the spirit is inherently the same place.

It's just interchangeably used, the semantics.

Sometimes we say soul, sometimes we say spirit, but it's actually the same space.

But the main thing I kind of base my view of that on is the fact that in Acts, both Stephen and Paul says that we are the.

The temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now, the temple is three parts, the tabernacle.

And I believe that we are literally three.

We are a spirit.

The part is rejuvenated, regenerated, the part that is made alive again at the point of salvation.

Then we have our soul and our body.

And so demons occupy the body and the soul, but the spirit is kept sealed.

And so if you don't have that, I can understand.

I can use this example, right, to argue for the tripartite, because it's pretty much foundational to understand deliverance if you're bipartite, even though you might say you have this threefold.

Like, yeah, we're spirit, soul and body.

A lot of basic assumption and theology is taken from people who have bipartite view.

And so let's say I have two apples on the table.

And if I have two apples on the table, it would be a lie for me to say I have three apples.

If I believe.

If there's two apples on the table, I can only ever say there's two.

If I have three apples on the table.

It is not a lie to say I have two apples, because I didn't say I have only two apples.

So the three apple analogy encompasses.

It covers the bipartite.

So that when the language is bipartite in nature, it does not contradict with where the language is tripartite.

But if you turn the table, it actually contradicts.

And so I believe for that reason, you know, I'm just using logic here to kind of also, you know, support that.

But yeah, so I believe we are tripartite.

And that's why Holy Spirit dwells in our spirit.

And that is sealed like the Holy of holies.

You can't go in there unless you're the chief priest.

Kind of a thing.

Demons cannot enter your spirit.

That's why born again Christians can suffer with demons all their life and still go to heaven when they die.

Great explanation.

Great.

Yeah.

I love, I love that you said that because it just makes it so plain and so clear to, to understand.

And from a biblical perspective, I think, as well as a logical one, it's very hard to refute what you just said, but there's many people that just simply don't want to believe it.

However, I point them to this situation where Jesus is praying for a woman who was disabled for a long time, many, many years.

And that situation was not biological, it was spiritual nature.

And he speaks to the spirit of infirmity that the text says.

And as he cast out the spirit of infirmity, she stands up straight.

And so again, logically, even though, even though we don't have this explicitly said in the text, you would deduce that the demon was actually in her body, not her spirit, because.

But in the same way, there's another man that's referred to as moonstruck is one of the translations, but another one is a lunatic, which you get the root word lunar for the moon, lunatic.

And so there's these mental issues that happen.

And of course, Jesus sets this man free and then you see that his life continues on with normalcy.

And so I think there's a pretty logical basis for demons afflicting people, whether it's physically, whether it's mentally, because we see the effect of deliverance producing mental stability and physical ability.

And so, and I think what happens is, and I just feel the compassion of the Holy Spirit right now for people watching, you have to be careful who you listen to, because people who don't know the Holy Spirit, who don't commune with him, people who are not moving with the compassion of Christ and praying for hundreds or even thousands of people, they will give you a perspective and say, well, where does it say it in the, in the text?

But to exegete Scripture, to properly interpret Scripture, is not just what is explicitly in there, but there's many different tools that we have, including logic, as you saw that Rickard used, and deductive reasoning.

And those are skills to help unlock the meaning of Scripture that's been used by scholars for, you know, eons of time.

But getting back to the issue at hand now, because this is something that, that I personally wanted to ask you.

You know, I often have taught when you go all the way back, because hope, by the way, let me just stop and say this.

If you got this far.

You are also a Bible nerd.

You are also a theologian.

And I want to give you props.

Hit the thumbs up if you like these kinds of videos and you want to see more like this.

I'm having the time of my life.

But we're going to keep going through the objections right now.

But something I wanted to ask you, so, because I've taught a version of this, so you have the Passover, the initial Passover, and essentially the instruction is given that you take a lamb, you shed that lamb's blood in a basin, and then you take a hyssop branch, which, you know, in the ancient world would have just been like a common branch that would have grown everywhere, and you dip it in that hyssop branch into the basin and then you apply it upon the doorpost.

So I've heard people say that it's one thing to apply the blood of Christ over your sins, but just like with that same level of intentionality that you had applied over the door post, you have to be as intentional about applying the blood of Jesus over different areas of your life.

And the phrase that was used is the appropriation of the blood.

In other words, like, well, you've never confessed of the sin of lust and perversion and, and applied the blood of Jesus over and dealt with it in that level.

Therefore, you have not received the access to the level of freedom that you have in that area.

And so again, logically, I'm with you about whether you believe it's two or three.

Are we triune or is it just two parts?

But you're like, but by believing that we're triune, we cover the two.

I love that logic.

In the same way, I would rather err on applying the blood of Jesus to every single aspect of my life that I can think of than not doing it.

Because I think a lot of times, again, people from the other camps would say, but they're pleading the blood of Jesus, or they're applying the blood of Jesus, or they think that they have to confess every sin instead of saying, jesus, forgive me of all my sins.

But to me that the, the.

Then again, I'm just being logical now.

It's like saying, Jesus did, or I'm sorry, Old Testament, God did not say, you know, apply the blood to the whole house.

He said, put it over the doorpost so that death passes by.

And there's a level of specificity that you see God operate in.

And so for me, yeah, I, I just have an understanding of, I would rather confess, repent, and appropriate and Apply the blood to every specific thing and break those curses and deal with them.

Because by that logic, at least we know we're dealing with it.

Do you see error in that?

Would you?

Do you want to publicly rebuke me?

Is there something I'm missing?

No, Pastor, it's the most biblically grounded argument.

I mean, John even says it, confess your sins to each other so that you may be healed.

You know, if confession.

And he's talking to a church here.

These are people who have confessed Jesus as their savior already.

But that does not mean that, you know, once you have made one decision.

Yeah.

Your name has been written in the Lamb's book of life.

Jesus himself says, bear fruit worthy of repentance.

It doesn't say, repent once and then forget about it.

Kind of like you bought a Pokemon card and then store it somewhere and you're gonna cash out.

No.

Salvation is an ongoing transformation of your soul.

Yes.

If you die at the point of salvation and you haven't, you know, applied the blood of Jesus to every area, just like the man on the cross next to Jesus, you will be saved.

But if you have years to walk here on earth, that does not put you in the same camp as someone who accepts Jesus on the deathbed.

You have time, and God expects us.

Jesus himself said it.

To bear fruit worthy of repentance.

Make changes, be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Do not, you know, don't submit to this world according to Romans 12, but be transformed.

And that is an ongoing process of sanctification.

I know a lot of people are nervous about using Philippians 2:12.

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

It's not saying work for it.

It says, continuously work on your salvation, meaning become more and more like Jesus.

Like John the Baptist said, he must increase, I must decrease.

He must become greater, I must become lesser.

And so it's an ongoing thing, applying the blood of Jesus to every area.

I believe Jesus is a gentleman.

The Holy Spirit does not force his way into our trauma.

He doesn't force force his way into our marriage.

It's when we allow him the devil, however, he kills, steals, and destroys, he goes through the back door.

He goes through any area that he can.

But Jesus comes through the front door.

And he won't enter another area of your life until you allow him to do so.

That's why I received salvation as a kid.

I still struggled after that with porn and many other things.

It was not until I see, surrendered those things to Jesus that I actually received full deliverance.

And so it's 100%.

The application is a continuous thing.

Now, I wanted to quickly say, Pastor Mike, if you allow, there is the camp of Christians that I constantly deal with, people from this camp of people who are like, oh, yeah, you know, deliverance is.

Every week I receive deliverance.

You know, cast a little bit of fear off here, cast a little bit of anxiety off here.

I understand where they come from.

But that kind of now gets to the other side of the camp where deliverance is not something we are meant to dwell in forever.

Okay?

We have seasons of sanctification and transformation in our lives that can last everything from two weeks to six months to a year for some people.

But deliverance must lead to dominion.

It means, hey, can you cast it out of me again?

No, Jesus actually never had a repeat case in scripture, right?

Like, it didn't seem like anyone needed to come back again.

I'm not saying that deliverance is once and done.

I think that for some people, they need, you know, to go through the process of inner healing.

And then more demons are revealed.

And then as they renew their minds, new strongholds are broken down.

And, like, there's this process, you know, but the whole thing of, like, hey, cast it off a little bit here, cast it off a little bit there, that's also not healthy because then we train Christians with a victim mentality.

How are you ever gonna trample on snakes and scorpions if you're still dealing with.

With, you know, every time I see a snake, it's now attacking me.

No, it's not.

It's not every time, you know, and so we have to grow up as.

And become strong as well.

So there's a balance to every conversation.

And I think that's something that is.

Is really important to understand.

Yes, you need more deliverance.

I understand, but.

But at some point, I believe kind of like deliverance is like uprooting the weeds out of your garden.

But confessing your sin is like killing the seeds before they grow roots.

So sin, when unconfessed, grows roots and opens entrance for demons into our life.

And that's how we outgrow those kind of things.

We become strong.

Hey, you know, you confess to people, you confess to people.

I remember it wasn't long couple of years ago, I was on TikTok pastor and I lead by authenticity.

I believe that true transformation happens when masks come off.

And I was like, hey, I'm going to start posting more on TikTok.

And stuff started scrolling, looking for trends.

And man, I had to stuff came up bikini pictures and all kinds of things came up where I had to go and tell my wife, hey, babe, can you pray for me?

I just want to confess to you.

I saw these things.

I don't know what was.

Something was stirring within me.

This is what I saw.

I've deleted it.

Here is my TikTok account.

Can you pray for me right now?

I didn't manage.

There's nothing manifestation.

Like, it wasn't demonic, but I didn't want to give it even a moment to kind of start growing because I keep it from my wife, and then I keep it from this, and that's how it starts.

So just bring it out into the light.

And you're supposed to feel like a mini deliverance when you confess.

I was shake.

I'm like, hey, babe, I need to tell you something.

Sit down right now.

She's like, what's going on?

I'm like, I was contemplating not telling you, but, hey, I went too far.

I saw stuff on TikTok I shouldn't have looked at, you know?

And so I think it's so important to have that that is healthy not to, like, hey, can you pray for me to cast off lust Again, like, no.

Confession is what you need after.

Yeah.

Oh, this is so good.

This has been one of my best, probably best conversations holistically.

And I think what me and you are up against is, you know, there are people that are not as biblically literate as you and I, who they.

Even.

What they're saying may not necessarily be wrong, but they don't articulate it well.

And then people grab that and, you know, take it out of proportion.

But this.

There's something just so pure and so healthy about this conversation because it's a lot more nuanced and it's a lot less radicalized as what some people will persuade other people to believe.

But let me go back to this, because I think it was a brilliant point that was made.

So New Testament epistle, the apostle says, to a body of believers, these people are already Christians.

Confess your sins one to another, that you would be healed.

And so I love that distinction of, yes, you've confessed your sins to Christ, you're saved.

You confess to each other, you'll be healed.

And I think it's possible that in the journey of dealing with what you've inherited and these things that you're struggling with in your life, for many Christians, they're receiving a healing as they're confessing it one to another.

And those are two distinctly different things.

And I love the fact that in the early church, this was just generally understood as the right thing to do.

And yet, I think when you show up at a church like yours, a church like mine, you know, maybe people can, from the outside can misjudge it at first, but then you get in, you say, well, what's happening?

In practicality, let's peel the labels away.

Let's peel all the labels away.

In practicality, one person is sitting across from another person, and they are confessing their sins.

And listen, maybe there's a demon that needs to be dealt with, or maybe there's just simply, like you said, the beginning in a seed form of carnality that wants to take root, that needs to be plucked out.

And, you know, I'll tell you, I've been watching a lot of footage of Oral Roberts.

Many of you guys watching right now know Oral Roberts University and the legacy of his life.

AA Allen is another one these.

You know, I've been just going back and looking in the archives lately.

And these men traveled all over the world, and they would individually pray for people by the hundreds and hundreds every single night.

They would do syndicated television.

They were real pioneers before there was YouTube and all that.

If you don't know some of these names, you should look them up.

But the.

The frequency by which they encountered the demonic has blown my mind in the footage.

But not one time did they ask people, are you a Christian?

Because it was inconsequential.

I'm gonna deal with the demon.

And I think sometimes for us, this conversation can get so distorted, and it's like Jesus very simply said, I came to set the captives free.

And I think there's a logic to what we're doing to say, hey, you can disagree with the nuance, you can disagree with the emphasis, you can claim that it's distorted, or you can look at the fruit.

And the fruit of it is many people are getting free.

And I think just what you said, you know, that's when you said, listen, we need to make sure that we're being balanced and that we move from deliverance to dominion.

And so I want to.

I want to talk about this.

This is as.

We're kind of like we're in that grand finale territory because I felt the anointing so strong.

So Exodus, chapter 20, verse 5.

I talk about this extensively in my book inherit your freedom, because Exodus 20, verse 5 basically says, visiting the iniquities of.

Of the fathers to the third and the fourth generation.

And of course, we know that it describes, you know, the consequences of sin, but it doesn't say the word sin.

It says the word iniquities.

And so this is, this is a, I think, a worthy part of the discussion.

And if you made it this far, again, this is, to me, one of the most important things we can talk about.

Because some theologians would say, well, no, no, it's just the consequences of living in a household that hates God.

So there's learned behaviors, and there's societal effects of those learned behaviors rather than the spiritual, legal consequences of a curse that travels through the bloodline.

Now, what.

And, and what I said in my book, and again, knowing that people have many different perspectives on this scripture is in inherit your freedom, what I talk about is the epigenetics.

So there's two layers that we all have.

We have a genetic layer, which is like your eye color, things that are fixed.

Then there's the epigenetic layer that actually works together with your gene genome to basically, like.

Let me give you an example.

They've even proven that musical ability can travel on the epigenetic level, meaning you.

It doesn't mean that if your dad played the guitar that you're going to just pick up a guitar and know everything your dad knows, but they've actually proven, and I have these studies in my book that you'll see musical families because on the epigenetic level, people pick up an instrument and it's easier for them to learn because there was a learning in the previous generation.

And so I started to do some deep research on the Hebrew word for iniquity.

And because I started picking up on the fact that it's not the word just sin.

And iniquity is a perpetual sin that becomes an identity.

And I.

The example that I give is there's a difference between I got drunk versus I'm a drunkard.

So maybe I go to a wedding and I have too much to drink, and I'm like, oh, no, I've committed the sin of drunkenness.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that I'm an alcoholic.

However, the perpetual act of.

Of getting drunk goes.

Moves from sin to iniquity.

And some of you are just learning this for the very first time.

And it says the iniquities of the fathers will be passed down to the third and fourth generation.

And it blew my mind when I looked at the science, because I saw that there is an.

There's an epigenetic level for a predisposition for alcoholism, meaning their perpetual sin became an iniquity.

That was their identity as an alcoholic.

That then became your curse.

Right.

But I think spiritually this operates the same way because not, you know, this the curse of sin is broken, you know, by the blood of Jesus.

But I think again, looking at the nature of God, when you.

You reference earlier on in this interview, the different passages that talk about curses, it said, if you do this sin, you receive this curse.

If you receive this and you receive this curse.

And there was a distinction that was made between the different sins producing curses.

And actually, according to Torah, there's different consequences for different sins.

And so of course, Christ died on the cross and as his blood was shed, and we receive the curse of Adam in a general sense, being broken.

But I think this is an interesting passage to look at in the Old Testament because their understanding from a Jewish perspective would have been more individualized concerning what sins, what consequences for those sins, and then those iniquities actually being passed to the third and fourth generation.

And I think science confirms this, which is why for me, as somebody who pastors thousands of people across the US through our different V1 church locations and everybody online, I say let's deal with it individually.

Let's look at the bloodline, because science would say that in a medical sense.

What's your perspective on this, though?

How do you see these scriptures?

Yeah, I agree with you, Pastor.

The word for iniquity there is Avon.

I don't know how correctly I pronounce it, but yeah, it's like the internal bentness.

I tried to.

I was looking into how that word is translated into English, and it kept coming back to this word, a bentness, meaning you bend in a specific direction.

So we've got the sin, this is the act.

We've got the transgression.

This is rebellion.

And then we got the iniquity.

It's the heart posture that is producing that sin over and over.

Yeah.

And I mean, you look at God's nature, He said, I'm the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

He is a generational God.

His very nature is generational.

And the devil tries to play on the same playing field.

I believe that the spiritual war is always generational, meaning the stuff you go through today, it's not just to bring you down.

It's to destroy your legacy.

It's to destroy your bloodline, to wipe it out in the future.

We have this saying that our children always stand on our shoulders to go further than us.

So the question is, in what direction are you pointing your children?

Because they will go further than you.

You look at Abra, Abraham was mischievous, lying about his wife being his sister.

Isaac goes even further when it comes to Rebekah.

And then Jacob is the full manifestation of that iniquitous pattern of deception and lying.

And it just keeps going from David to Solomon, from Kings in the Old Testament, so on and so forth.

We see this kind of a thing that constantly repeats in the family, and some of it brings natural fallout.

You know, hey, there's divorce in the family.

You're gonna be suspicious of your future fam, of your future spouse and stuff.

But then we have the spiritual component with the altars and the covenants that are made with demonic spirits as well.

And so, yeah, I agree with you, Pastor, 100%.

I think it's so important to deal with it and not to be scared and shy away from the fact that generation.

God is generational.

So why would the devil not be?

He tries to wipe.

If he can't take you out, he will try to change your course.

Just 1, 1 percentage off so that your kids will go further off.

And three, four generations down the line, nobody's a Christian anymore.

And that's the end goal.

If we keep that in our mind when we face temptation and struggles and battles today, understand, this is the battle for your kids, your fight with your wife today.

It's not about your marriage only.

It's about your kids.

It's about the.

The.

The.

The prophets, the apostles, the purpose that God has for your children, the unborn generation.

They are the ones the devil really has on his radar, not only you.

And so, yeah, awesome, awesome word, Pastor.

Ah, so powerful, man.

I'm loving this.

Well, I. I was thinking in this, for everybody watching right now, how you sin in moderation, your children and grandchildren will sin in excess.

So what you do in moderation, going back to your story, Rickard, about how you just started scrolling and you found, oh, man, something's stirring in me, and I need to confess this to my wife.

And you cut that root before it even got went into the soil of your soul and became.

Because how Rickard sins just.

Or any of us, it's like how we sin in moderation will end up becoming in access in the generations.

And like you illustrated, you see this in scripture over and over again.

And so I look at it as.

And this is one of the things that I did in the book.

It's like I tried to have people chart their family heritage, their family lineage, and just ask the question, what do I know?

Is it anger on my father's side?

Where did that come from?

My wife blew my mind because I often told the story of how my biological father would feel, physically beat my mother.

And, you know, I never really had a relationship with my grandfather on my dad's side.

He died prematurely as well.

I saw him when I was younger, before he died.

And one day my wife said, mike, where do you think your dad learned it?

And so I, I'll never know if that, if that's true.

But, but it's, it's probably because those, it could have been a form of abuse that happened in his household.

Yeah.

That my dad began to take to a higher level.

And we see that.

And so there's many of you watching right now that we say this.

You know, in every family, there's got to be somebody who rises up and saying it ends with me.

And that's ultimately why I think this stream mattered so much.

This is why this conversation matters so much.

Because if the devil can't stop you and I, I've waited the entire time to say this right now.

And then, Rickard, I just want to turn you loose.

But if the devil can convince you that just simply saying the sinner's prayer, I, I, yeah, I confess.

Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

Romans, chapter 10, verse 9.

Then it's done.

Every curse is broken.

I don't need deliverance.

Every demon just instantly and, you know, left me.

If the devil can convince you of that, then you'll live your entire life in bondage.

The thing I think many of you have struggled with, and even there's probably critics that are watching this right now with the intention to make all the response videos.

But here's the thing.

I, I honestly believe that if the devil cannot stop you from accepting Christ and he knows, okay, I could, I did everything I could to stop them from accepting Christ, then he switches to an alternate plan and it's, how can I get them to live a life of bondage until they die?

How big knowing.

And I don't know who this is for, because I'm speaking prophetically, knowing that your bondage will be passed to the next generation.

And Satan says, I may have lost their spirit, but I'm going to take their soul, I'm going to take their body, put it in bondage, and.

And then I'm going to get their children, their children's.

And there's something on the line right now.

And Rickard, I, I absolutely love the fact that you've been unapologetic, you've been bold, and you've been pushing up against all this demonic propaganda from hell, that's Trying to get us to live a life where we say, well, but I can.

I. I went to a Billy Graham crusade and I confess my sin to God.

No, confess your sin one to another.

Appropriate the blood, go into every.

Go into that process of sanctification.

And whom the sun sets free is free indeed.

But work out, not work for.

Don't work for your salvation, but work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

And I think this is a deeper revelation for many of you watching right now.

And if you're watching and you say, mike, you know, I came from Catholicism, Presbyterianism, Methodist, Baptist, and this is new for me, you know what?

Then good.

You're the first person in your family that hears this, because God has destined for you to be the first one that is free indeed.

So, Rickard, I want to give you some time to just minister to flow.

I feel the Holy Spirit right now very strongly.

I know there's just a wave of freedom that's flowing.

And so just go ahead and just maybe look into the camera and just begin to minister to them and just whatever the Lord's laying on your heart.

Yeah, thank you so much, Pastor.

And I just want to say to you, if you're watching right now and you're like, hey, as pastor said, hey, I've confessed Jesus, listen, the devil knows that he might have not been able to get you to hell, but he knows the scripture.

He knows that Jesus is coming back for a pure bride.

Come on.

If he can keep the bride defiled, he is postponing the return of Jesus.

He thinks he can change the end by keeping the bride dirtied, in bondage and in chains.

So I want to tell you, you taking responsibility for your personal life will break the generational curse.

Just like Gideon had to break the altars of his father to be able to deliver his people, God wants to use you to be a curse breaker, to deal with the things your fathers weren't able to do.

You have been raised for such a time as this.

And if that is you, and you're dealing with shame, you're dealing with rejection, trauma, abuse, lust and perversion, anger, infirmity, whatever it might be that your family is passing on to you, you can't change what was passed on to you, but you can change what you pass on your children.

This is a generational battle in the greatest, in the biggest way possible.

And I want to just pray for you right now.

If that is you and you just feel it in your spirit, something is stirring, you're feeling a little bit nervous, Jesus can Enter right now and break those chains.

But this prayer won't be the only thing.

After the prayer, you must step up and say, devil, your time is up.

Listen, James says, submit to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you.

It is a chronological list of order.

When you resist the devil and submit to God, he will flee from you.

So in the name of Jesus, I just come against right now, every demonic spirit, any family altar, any generational curse, iniquitous patterns passed on into your life right now, I command it to be broken.

In the name of Jesus, I command every generational curse of abuse, molestation and incest, there's just flowing through the lineage, be broken today by the blood of Jesus.

I come against all spirits of perversion, shame and rejection.

So much rejection, people.

Your father told you, you're not, not smart, you're not pretty, you will never have a beautiful family.

I come against those word curses today and I say, be broken.

By the blood of Jesus, I declare freedom to your spirit, soul and your body.

Rise up, man of God.

Rise up, woman of God.

For the time is here for God's bride to rise up and begin to combat the forces of darkness in your family, in your city and in this nation.

I command every chains of addiction, witchcraft to be broken now over your life.

In the name of Jesus, I plead the blood of Jesus over your spirit, soul and body.

Your eyes, your thoughts, what you listen to be covered by the blood of Jesus.

In the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

In Jesus name.

Wow.

I'm telling you, I'm.

I felt the power of God all over that right now.

I want you to, if you're watching this right now, there's going to be some information that comes up on the screen because we want to make sure that you get discipled.

You're going to go from delivered to discipled to dominion.

I'm telling you, I was getting a vision of some of you burping, throwing up, sneezing, coughing, you, you.

Many of you have experienced those manifestations of these demons being confronted and cast out.

But I believe you're getting ready to take a next step right now.

Mary Magdalene had seven demons when Jesus encountered her.

But then she was the one that went and told everybody he was resurrected.

And she went from delivered to disciple to then carrying dominion.

And it's time for you to take this next step.

This has not been by accident that you joined us today, but I want you to take the next steps.

On the screen right now.

There's a link in the description as well to get connected and to be discipled.

And I want to make sure that that happens, because it's not enough for you to be free.

You've got to stay free through the process of discipleship.

Rickard, this was off the charts.

I'm telling you.

I. I reached out to you and just.

I had seen some of your posts online, and I know that we streamed quite a while ago.

And I thought to myself, God has equipped this man specifically to deal with this issue for this hour.

And I, before we started recording, I said, just give me 20, 30 minutes.

I just looked up at the counter, realized it's almost an hour.

It was like the fastest hour of my life in the spirit because God was doing so much.

But, Rickard, you.

You have a phenomenal YouTube channel with so many more teachings which is linked in the description as well.

And then you have a church in Seattle.

Can you tell everybody in the Pacific Northwest how they can come out and see you?

Yeah.

So we're planting HungryGen Renton in the month of February.

We're having our grand opening.

Whenever this video is coming out, come visit us.

We have Services on Sundays, 6pm at 2400 East Valley Road in Renton.

We would love to see you.

We believe in reaching the lost and making disciples.

That's all this is about.

Listen, don't be someone who's a Christian online, but you hate every church.

Christians have to come back to the community.

I understand some people got church hurt and stuff.

Find community.

You gotta find a local church.

That's where growth happens, my friend.

And so, yeah, so good.

Yeah, man, I can't wait till next time I'm out there.

But, man, just cheering you on.

So grateful for your family.

And thank you so much for joining the breakers today.

Thank you very much for having me, Pastor.