Sept. 16, 2026

Offense Opens the Door to Demonic Attack — What You Can Do | Feat. Jonathan Cahn

Jonathan Cahn joins Pastor Mike Signorelli to tell the full story behind the viral airplane incident that ended with a passenger being restrained and duct-taped—and to reveal what he believes was happening spiritually behind the scenes.

Just days after the release of his new book, The Altar of Pergamon, Jonathan found himself sitting beside a man who began the flight friendly and conversational. But after Jonathan began talking about God, Jesus, and the supernatural reality behind his ministry, he says the encounter suddenly changed. What followed was an escalating confrontation involving threats, physical violence, a struggle over Jonathan’s laptop, an emergency landing, and a story that would quickly spread across national media.

Jonathan shares details that weren’t captured in the viral headlines and explains why he believes the incident was connected to the spiritual themes he had just exposed in The Altar of Pergamon.

But this conversation goes deeper than what happened on one airplane.

Pastor Mike and Jonathan discuss what the Bible actually teaches about spiritual warfare, why following God does not guarantee a life without opposition, and why attacks should not automatically be interpreted as evidence that God has abandoned you. From the Apostle Paul being beaten, imprisoned, and shipwrecked to Christ Himself facing persecution, Scripture presents spiritual victory very differently from a life without resistance.

They also examine the danger of offense. Jonathan describes how the man on the flight spoke about once following Jesus before becoming offended and rejecting his faith—raising a larger question about what can happen when bitterness, rejection, and unresolved offense are allowed to take root.

How should Christians respond when opposition becomes personal? How do you confront darkness without becoming consumed by anger toward the person involved? And what does it mean to remain unoffendable while refusing to compromise the truth?

This episode is a powerful conversation about spiritual warfare, perseverance, forgiveness, evangelism, and standing firm when opposition comes.

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Speaker A

All right, everyone, I am so excited because just days ago I went live and covered the situation that you saw viral all around the world.

Speaker A

And I actually have Jonathan Cahn here with me and we're gonna unpack the spiritual implications, the biblical insights, and he's gonna reveal to you something major that's happening in the earth.

Speaker A

And the devil is extremely upset.

Speaker A

I take it as a huge compliment.

Speaker A

And I say this.

Speaker A

When you're not in a head on collision with the devil, it's because you're both running the same direction.

Speaker A

And so we know that Jon Khan is somebody that the devil absolutely hates.

Speaker A

But to be hated by the devil is to be loved by God.

Speaker A

So, Jonathan Cahn, welcome back to the channel.

Speaker B

Great to be back.

Speaker B

Mike.

Speaker A

We're so glad that you're, you're f, you're good though.

Speaker A

That kind of situation is extremely emotionally and physically taxing.

Speaker A

But for those people who somehow didn't see what happened, can you just kind of give him your own recount of the event as it unfolded?

Speaker B

Yeah, I'll give a real nutshell version because there's so much.

Speaker B

But the thing is that, yeah, first of all, I think most importantly, I mean, this is.

Speaker B

There's a spiritual behind it all was spiritual.

Speaker B

I mean, and so much so that I can say that before this happened, we, I knew, we knew, my wife knew, we prayed, the congregation was praying because I spoke about it just before that I was going to be attacked.

Speaker B

And it happens virtually with every book but this one, because it was the Altar of Pergamon, as I was saying, it's unmasking, it's exposing the spiritual realm and the dark realm behind everything that's happening right in the world.

Speaker B

So that's kind of what happened on the plane.

Speaker B

So I believed I was going to be.

Speaker B

So it wasn't, in one sense, it wasn't surprising.

Speaker B

In other sense, it was shocking, but not surprising.

Speaker B

After I said, okay, all right, I understand what's happening.

Speaker B

So the thing is that, so I went on the plane.

Speaker B

I was actually.

Speaker B

The book, the Altar Pergamum released two days before and it was the release day at least week.

Speaker B

And you usually when these attacks happen, it's either the day of the release, you know, or the week of the release, you know, so, so I, I'm, you know, I'm talking, doing television and speaking about the book, and I'm coming home now, you know, and there were things that already happened before this, but I thought, okay, is that it?

Speaker B

But it wasn't.

Speaker B

So I, I get on the Plane.

Speaker B

There's a man to my Left, he's a 67 year old realtor and vice president and he's, and he's engaging me, know, in talking and talking.

Speaker B

And now I was, I wanted to get, I had a lot of work to do but the guy's talking.

Speaker B

I said, okay Lord, maybe that's what you want me to do on the flight, I'm okay.

Speaker B

So I'm talking, laughing, he's friendly and you know, and talking about his wife.

Speaker B

My wife, I, oh, I write books, my wife's going to love to read your books and etc.

Speaker B

Etc.

Speaker B

Going on, it's two hours of friendly, all this.

Speaker B

The flight crew thought we, we, we were all friends.

Speaker B

And so, and then I said, Lord, while we're doing this, I'm praying saying, Lord, give me an opening to share your love, your gospel, your salvation.

Speaker B

So he does.

Speaker B

So I'm talking to him and he says, I used to be in, yeah, he was into Jesus, he was all for Jesus, but then something happened in his life and he felt judged.

Speaker B

So he rejected Jesus.

Speaker A

Yes, and this is major confirmation that we've got to become unoffendable because as you know, the doors open to the demonic when we don't forgive, when we hold grudges and we're bitter.

Speaker A

And I'm so excited because the Unoffendable Heart book is coming out October 20th as a matter of fact.

Speaker A

You can go to the description or the pin comment and you can tap the link and you can get it at Barnes and Noble, Target Walmart, you can get it on Amazon, but pre order it now and become a part of the unoffendable army.

Speaker A

And I'm so excited for you to get this book.

Speaker A

So tell me, tell me more.

Speaker B

So I'm telling him, listen, God still loves you.

Speaker B

Jesus didn't come to condemn you, came to save you.

Speaker B

This is how it is, not religion.

Speaker B

It's being born again.

Speaker B

I'm sharing.

Speaker B

And so then he said, well, how do you know God is real?

Speaker B

I said, well, you know, I was an atheist, you know, I came because I saw the prophecies of the Bible.

Speaker B

I could not explain them away.

Speaker B

Then I got hit by a train.

Speaker B

And that was a good reason I came to the Lord.

Speaker B

And then he says, well he said, you know, and we're talking about God being real, actually real in the world.

Speaker B

I said, I said.

Speaker B

So I gave him two incidents which is what led to the.

Speaker B

Everything that happened.

Speaker B

One had to do with the book.

Speaker B

The first book I wrote, the Harbinger, How God supernaturally sent it forth to the world through a supernatural encounter in an airport.

Speaker A

Yeah, two.

Speaker B

I shared about how God brought my wife to me supernaturally from Brazil through words that were given to her when she was young and this amazing.

Speaker B

Anyway, that's.

Speaker B

So I'm talking about the real.

Speaker B

The reality of God in the world.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

That moment a change comes.

Speaker B

His.

Speaker B

His face changes, his.

Speaker B

His voice changes, his personality changes.

Speaker B

And he said, he's whispers something.

Speaker B

And I said, what?

Speaker B

He's.

Speaker B

And he.

Speaker B

He whispers and he whispers a profanity.

Speaker B

It's like, you know, well, you're gonna.

Speaker A

Bull.

Speaker B

I said, what?

Speaker B

He said, we think it's.

Speaker B

I made it up.

Speaker B

What do you say?

Speaker B

How do you explain it?

Speaker B

Bull.

Speaker B

He goes, go blank yourself.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

This is.

Speaker B

After two hours of friendly.

Speaker B

I said, okay, here.

Speaker B

Then he starts cursing God.

Speaker B

He starts cursing Jesus.

Speaker B

He starts cursing me.

Speaker B

He's cursing God on the Pl.

Speaker B

It's like speaking blasphemy.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

Vulgarities, lewdness, you know, profanities.

Speaker B

He's causing the serm.

Speaker B

This, this.

Speaker B

The service lasted about a half an hour, you know, and all sorts of things are happening.

Speaker B

And he's talking about people and you know, by the way, on the news, you know, the news story.

Speaker B

When I saw the news story, you know, it shows you how you don't get the news.

Speaker B

You know, the news.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

It was, well, basically like he.

Speaker B

He was duct taped because he made these racist remarks.

Speaker B

And.

Speaker B

And he's.

Speaker B

Listen, he made every kind of remark, but that wasn't what was happening.

Speaker B

He wasn't duct taped because he was duct taped because of me.

Speaker B

He was duct taped because he was trying to attack me.

Speaker B

And then, you know, so that I'm going, I'm moving ahead a little bit.

Speaker B

So, so the thing is that.

Speaker B

And they.

Speaker B

Some of them said, oh, oh.

Speaker B

He spoke about Jesus like he was a Christian who.

Speaker B

Who.

Speaker B

Who hated people opposite.

Speaker B

He was cursing Jesus, you know.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So he's.

Speaker B

So that's happening.

Speaker B

He, you know, he goes to the people in front.

Speaker B

He stands up.

Speaker B

Do you believe in Jesus?

Speaker B

Do you believe in Jesus?

Speaker B

You know, you talks about hell.

Speaker B

He's talking about hell, you know, and so.

Speaker B

And there, you know, the flight people come over to try to, you know, to stop it, but it doesn't stop.

Speaker B

I'm trying to calm him down.

Speaker B

So you're going to get into trouble.

Speaker B

You got.

Speaker B

Got to calm yourself.

Speaker B

And then in a second it lifts and he's nice.

Speaker A

Why.

Speaker B

And he's apologizing.

Speaker B

Then he comes back and he does it again.

Speaker B

And then he lifts.

Speaker B

It happened twice.

Speaker B

Lifts, comes back.

Speaker B

And so he is.

Speaker B

He's.

Speaker B

He's going.

Speaker B

And then at one point, I'm.

Speaker B

I'm looking ahead.

Speaker B

I took on my computer and he's puts his hands around my neck and it.

Speaker B

Choke hold.

Speaker B

And it's.

Speaker B

And it's.

Speaker B

Now.

Speaker B

Now he's doing it like a joke.

Speaker B

Because it's not really.

Speaker B

You know, it's not like it's.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

Yeah, but like a joke, you know, but it's like the enemy is not joking, you know?

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

You know, and the thing is that.

Speaker B

That.

Speaker B

Okay, he does that and then he sees my.

Speaker B

Okay, Micah, this is another.

Speaker B

This is.

Speaker B

This.

Speaker B

We can understand this as believers.

Speaker B

At the beginning of the week, I look at my computer and it's got this.

Speaker B

This black bar in the center.

Speaker B

I never had that before.

Speaker B

And.

Speaker B

And I.

Speaker B

It was hard to do anything as I traveled with the way it was.

Speaker B

I said, okay, the enemy is doing that.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker B

And then.

Speaker B

But he sees it.

Speaker B

And the guy.

Speaker B

He taps my.

Speaker B

My screen like three times before I could stop.

Speaker B

And the dark.

Speaker B

The dark spreads to over half of my screen.

Speaker A

No way.

Speaker B

And it's not like I think the guy knew it.

Speaker B

I think the enemy knew it.

Speaker B

But yeah, you know, and the computer is where I was.

Speaker B

Where I write the books.

Speaker B

It's right alter programming.

Speaker B

Where I write everything is where I have future things on there.

Speaker B

And so.

Speaker B

And so the enemy hates it.

Speaker B

You know, as you said before, it's good to be hated by the enemy.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So the thing is that.

Speaker B

So he does that then on my computer.

Speaker B

I'm Kinesi.

Speaker B

He's.

Speaker B

There's a.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The image of the book comes on this part, and you could still see.

Speaker B

And I would hold it up if we were.

Speaker B

Anyway, but I'm holding up for the story.

Speaker B

This is what it looks like.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

So it says the altar pergamum, the mystery of the dark angel.

Speaker B

This is the dark angel, which is the enemy, you know?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And so he sees that and he.

Speaker A

He.

Speaker A

He.

Speaker B

It triggers him.

Speaker B

He starts screaming, shouting, what did you do?

Speaker B

What did you do?

Speaker B

Like I did something wrong writing the book.

Speaker B

What did you do?

Speaker B

I mean, it's not him.

Speaker B

It's.

Speaker B

It's the enemy.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

So he.

Speaker A

Then.

Speaker B

Then as I'm looking ahead, I'm trying to.

Speaker B

And he says, I'm gonna punch your blanken Jewish face in no way.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

I did not know that.

Speaker B

Well, well, we did in the talking.

Speaker B

He could have known that.

Speaker B

But.

Speaker B

But you know, the enemy hates all people.

Speaker B

But he, you know, he hates.

Speaker A

Yes, of course.

Speaker B

So at that point, I'm like, I'm in the aisle.

Speaker B

I'm not the aisle seat.

Speaker B

I'm going, guys, to the flight people.

Speaker B

You got to get over here.

Speaker B

You know?

Speaker B

But they didn't know what to do.

Speaker B

They didn't know what to do.

Speaker B

And I mean, they tried to stop twice, but they didn't know what to do.

Speaker B

Now, Now.

Speaker B

But.

Speaker B

But for the moment, like, the part he's getting, it's escalating toward violence.

Speaker B

And so now, at one point, he starts hitting me.

Speaker B

Now he's hitting me now.

Speaker B

It's not like we're in a fight.

Speaker B

It's like he's trying to get me to fight him because he's going like this with his.

Speaker B

On the other side.

Speaker B

He's got.

Speaker B

He's like getting like that, like that.

Speaker A

And.

Speaker B

And I'm going, I'm going, we need some help here.

Speaker B

We can use some help at 4B.

Speaker B

I'm going, we use some help here.

Speaker B

They didn't know what to do, so they stops for a jump.

Speaker B

And then I'm like, okay.

Speaker B

And something tells me he's going to try to destroy your computer now, your laptop.

Speaker B

And it just comes like that.

Speaker B

Yeah, my laptop was under attack the whole week.

Speaker B

But it wasn't natural, because what happened at the beginning of the week had nothing to do with what's happening on the plane.

Speaker B

Natural.

Speaker B

So I take my.

Speaker B

My laptop, this laugh, the laptop, I put it down, put it, put it on my side, take my cell phone and say, I'm getting out of here.

Speaker B

So I start going.

Speaker B

As I start going, he lunges for me.

Speaker B

He lunges for me and for that computer.

Speaker B

And he grabs hold of the computer, and it's all violent.

Speaker B

Now he's trying everything to wrest that out of my hand.

Speaker B

I'm knowing that with all my.

Speaker B

I'm holding onto it because I know if he gets it, he's going to destroy it.

Speaker B

And I don't think I backed up.

Speaker B

So we're wrestling on the plane, you know, crazy.

Speaker B

And.

Speaker B

And, you know, you know, I. Mike, just.

Speaker B

Just the weekend, you know, that led into this week.

Speaker B

You know, we have services on the weekend, right?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

What I was led to share was we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, you know, in high places.

Speaker B

Now I'm wrestling with flesh and blood and principalities, and I'm in a height.

Speaker B

I'm 3,000, 30,000ft off.

Speaker B

I'm in a high place, wrestling.

Speaker A

Literally.

Speaker B

Literally.

Speaker B

Literally.

Speaker B

And I Looked at the words of my message, message on Sunday.

Speaker B

And it's.

Speaker B

And I'm actually telling them.

Speaker B

I'm talking about when the enemy attacked at each book.

Speaker B

And I'm saying, when the Lord is going to do something in your life and you're going to be used for God, you're used for God.

Speaker B

You can use powerfully.

Speaker B

I said, the enemy is going to go crazy.

Speaker B

That's what he said at the beginning.

Speaker B

And so he did.

Speaker B

And so we're wrestling.

Speaker B

Nobody.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The.

Speaker B

The plane is shocked as these two people are wrestling, in shock.

Speaker A

The.

Speaker B

The pilot is radioing down to make an emergency landing.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

You know, and, and you know, when you read the.

Speaker B

When you're.

Speaker B

Again, you read the articles, it was like this, this hate guy was, you know, just, you know, doing this.

Speaker B

And they, and they dictate him because of his comments.

Speaker B

No, this is why they ductated him.

Speaker B

Ducted.

Speaker B

Because he was trying to destroy my computer.

Speaker B

The computer.

Speaker B

And so.

Speaker B

Literally, you know, and so, and so.

Speaker B

But then these guys, thank God.

Speaker B

God had, you know, because, you know, had two guys sitting two rows of.

Speaker B

In front of us.

Speaker B

One was a retired policeman and his associate.

Speaker B

And I mean, even.

Speaker B

He even had on his, on his, on his shirt, it said.

Speaker B

It said don't, don't run.

Speaker B

Like, don't run away.

Speaker B

Don't run.

Speaker B

Reload.

Speaker B

I mean, he's not that person.

Speaker A

Yeah, Perfect guy.

Speaker B

Perfect guy to be there.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So he goes, they go to the guy and the guy start.

Speaker B

Is violent with them, you know, and they're trying.

Speaker B

And he's trying to.

Speaker B

He's trying to.

Speaker B

Trying to bite them.

Speaker B

This is a vice president, right?

Speaker B

Trying to bite them.

Speaker B

This is, this is, this was.

Speaker B

Again, why I said this is demonic.

Speaker B

I'm not talking about where he was at.

Speaker B

I don't know the guy.

Speaker B

But the whole thing was demonic.

Speaker B

And so, so they find.

Speaker B

So they duct tape him.

Speaker B

That's why he became the duct tape man, you know, and the thing is that.

Speaker B

And so it's makeup.

Speaker B

It makes this emergency landing and the FBI come on and all that.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And I was, I wasn't gonna.

Speaker B

Well, actually, I wasn't gonna say much about this, you know, and.

Speaker B

And some say you should because you have the real story of it.

Speaker B

And.

Speaker B

And then that Friday I got home real late at night, you know, that morning, getting ready for service.

Speaker B

And, and so I get a call from our office, the ministry.

Speaker B

They say the thing would happen with you.

Speaker B

It's on the news.

Speaker B

I said, why?

Speaker B

Because we're not even thinking it's on the news, right?

Speaker B

Then they call back, said, you're on that tape.

Speaker B

TMZ has it.

Speaker B

And you.

Speaker B

They.

Speaker B

You're there.

Speaker B

Look, I'm looking the other way.

Speaker B

You know, that was after.

Speaker B

If you see that tape.

Speaker B

That was right after I got out to the.

Speaker A

I saw it.

Speaker B

They got there and then they're ducking.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So they said, well, I'm looking the other way.

Speaker B

They're not going to recognize me.

Speaker B

My wife says, you're recognizable.

Speaker B

They're going to recognize.

Speaker B

They're not.

Speaker B

Don't fool yourself.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So we started getting caught.

Speaker B

Like, what is, John?

Speaker B

They can do it in this news story.

Speaker B

Little do they know that I caused the whole thing.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So, you know, the Lord really said, like, so you got to put it out.

Speaker B

So that's when we put it on.

Speaker B

On the YouTube, our YouTube channel.

Speaker B

We put it out, you know, and then it went viral.

Speaker B

And then.

Speaker B

And then we started.

Speaker B

See, the thing.

Speaker B

The other thing is that, you know, I mean, you know this.

Speaker B

And we say it, but it's true, you know, what.

Speaker B

What.

Speaker B

What the enemy uses for evil, God uses for good.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

And we.

Speaker B

And on.

Speaker B

While I'm on the plane, I'm thanking God.

Speaker B

I am.

Speaker B

I am giving thanks to God.

Speaker B

I'm.

Speaker B

Because one is how real this is.

Speaker B

Number two, it shows how you're on the right side, right?

Speaker B

You're going to prevail because you're on the right side.

Speaker B

And come on something really big that God is doing or the enemy wouldn't waste his time.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

And I was just, like, saying these things that, you know, when the enemy attacks.

Speaker B

And I said this on, you know, you don't get discouraged if you're in God's will.

Speaker B

That's.

Speaker B

If you're.

Speaker B

You're getting attacked, he's going crazy.

Speaker B

Don't get discouraged, get encouraged.

Speaker B

It's a sign that God has great.

Speaker B

On the other side of that thing.

Speaker B

You just keep going.

Speaker B

The devil cannot stop you.

Speaker B

If you don't stop, you keep going.

Speaker B

And if you keep going, you're guaranteed to win and you're going to have that victory, that it's going to be something great.

Speaker B

Whatever.

Speaker B

However great the attack is, this is going to be greater.

Speaker B

That's why he's doing it.

Speaker B

So that was really the message.

Speaker B

And so since then, you know, what's happening is I'm getting called from Inside Edition, People magazine, you know, you know, New York Post, you know, Fox News.

Speaker B

And I'm able to share about these things.

Speaker B

You know, the book is about these Things, I mean, it's about.

Speaker B

In a big scale how it's affected the whole world, but.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

And I'm able to do it to these places we never would be able to do before.

Speaker B

And yet.

Speaker B

And you know, and it's going forth in a way we could never imagine.

Speaker B

If the enemy wanted to stop people from getting the altar of Pergamon, he.

Speaker B

He miscalculated that because it just.

Speaker B

It just this.

Speaker B

What happened, you know, it's gone viral, you know, so.

Speaker B

So I praise God, you know, I. I pray for the guy.

Speaker B

I hope he.

Speaker B

I want him to get saved.

Speaker A

Of course, yes.

Speaker B

And maybe this is the thing that'll do it.

Speaker B

So I pray for the guy, you know, but I know God is so real.

Speaker B

And so, I mean.

Speaker B

I mean, again, listen, Mike, we've been dealing with this since the harbinger, since I wrote this book.

Speaker A

True.

Speaker B

The first time it made world news and.

Speaker B

And everybody was dealing with it, you know, but it shows how it.

Speaker B

What happened.

Speaker B

And here I'm gonna.

Speaker B

I'm gonna tell you a wild thing.

Speaker B

I don't know if we're going to get to the book.

Speaker A

This is so good.

Speaker A

This is so good, though.

Speaker A

We need.

Speaker B

It is that I only realized this after.

Speaker B

I mean, just recently.

Speaker B

Just recently I was actually.

Speaker B

And that is that it's not just that what happened there was about the book.

Speaker B

I mean, I could say that because I knew it beforehand.

Speaker B

It's not just that.

Speaker B

That, you know, it's the same thing as in the book with the spiritual affecting the real or the physical.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker B

It turns out, you know, because I wrote the book, I'm revealing these real.

Speaker B

It's all real.

Speaker B

But in a story like a God version of the Da Vinci Code, it's real.

Speaker B

You know, because this is what happened.

Speaker B

What happened to me on the plane.

Speaker B

The story of what happened on the plane was replaying the story in the book.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

And it's just an example because in the book, you know, the guy is uncovering with.

Speaker B

With a woman.

Speaker B

With a.

Speaker B

With his friend.

Speaker B

The woman.

Speaker B

A woman is on.

Speaker B

They're uncovering the mystery of Pergamon and they're going to bring it to the world.

Speaker B

But these forces are trying to stop them.

Speaker B

These demonic, you know, these people who are led by these demon.

Speaker B

And what happens is they're traveling and they encounter someone and it's.

Speaker B

And it's really a pleasant conversation.

Speaker B

And then suddenly it turns and it shifts and becomes like demonic and evil.

Speaker B

And then the person threatens them.

Speaker B

And this is.

Speaker B

Listen, I'm thinking about this.

Speaker B

At the moment I'm thinking about this.

Speaker B

I get an email from someone who's reading the book, and I forgot I wrote this.

Speaker B

And they said I almost fainted.

Speaker B

I said, what do you mean they said?

Speaker B

They said.

Speaker B

They said in the book, the guy who's bringing forth the Mystery of Pergamon, which now is me.

Speaker B

Right?

Speaker B

But in the book, it says it's.

Speaker B

He's describing the attack, and he says he put his hands around my neck and put me in a chokehold.

Speaker A

You can't make that up my whole.

Speaker B

Life, you know, except when I wrote that, you know, and then at one point, the two.

Speaker B

The man and the woman, they are.

Speaker B

They try to safeguard their laptop from these people, you know, so.

Speaker B

So it's.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, it's.

Speaker A

It's just incredible.

Speaker A

So here's what I want everybody watching to know.

Speaker A

You know, the spiritual realm is real.

Speaker A

One of the worst mistakes the devil can ever make is to reveal himself to that extent.

Speaker A

Because, like you said, this man is a high iq, you know, vice president, very successful, probably his family's like, this is so out of character for him.

Speaker A

But what is that real?

Speaker A

What does that help us realize that the demonic is real?

Speaker A

I mean, Mary Magdalene had seven demons when she encountered Christ.

Speaker A

So if you were talking to Mary, which one of the eight personalities were you talking to?

Speaker A

Hers or the seven other spirits?

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

And so I think this, in a way, I celebrate the fact that this happened because it's one of those moments where for those of us who see in the spiritual realm, through the Holy Spirit, through the Scriptures, we're like, yes, to the world.

Speaker A

This makes no sense.

Speaker A

They'll just say it's mental illness, even though this guy probably has shown zero signs of that in his everyday life.

Speaker A

And for us, we'll say, yeah, mental illness is real, but so is demonization.

Speaker A

And this is what it looks like.

Speaker A

And so, of course, we are praying for him.

Speaker A

Let me know in the comment section if you're.

Speaker A

Wouldn't that be an awesome Part 3 to this to have him on.

Speaker A

And he's talking about how, you know, he's the Mary Magdalene now who has been delivered and is telling people about Christ.

Speaker A

But I want to.

Speaker A

Here's what I want to jump into real quick.

Speaker A

And again, you guys have to get the book.

Speaker A

I went live immediately after I saw you in the TMZ video because I was like, okay, there's something.

Speaker B

You recognize me there.

Speaker A

I kid you not, you know, I follow the news.

Speaker A

I have a journalism background.

Speaker A

And as a pastor of a multi site national church.

Speaker A

People are always asking me, what do you think about stuff?

Speaker A

And I want to shepherd them.

Speaker A

Well, try to give a biblical perspective.

Speaker A

So of course I see the duct tape man, then I see you.

Speaker A

And I squinted and I said, is that my friend Jonathan?

Speaker A

There's only, you know.

Speaker A

And I was like, it's got to be him.

Speaker A

And so then all of a sudden I saw your video and I was like, and as a matter of fact, your video hadn't even aired yet.

Speaker A

It was just the thumbnail, which I'll link it in the description here so you guys can see it.

Speaker A

And I said, no way.

Speaker A

And of course I went live.

Speaker A

And I want everybody to get this book.

Speaker A

It's very obvious now that this book.

Speaker A

See, I always tell people, as somebody who's written books myself, there are books that are written and then there are books that are given.

Speaker A

And I really believe you're an incredible writer.

Speaker A

But you're receiving these books and you're putting them down.

Speaker A

You're not just writing them, you're receiving them.

Speaker A

So of course we want everybody to buy the book.

Speaker A

But what do you think?

Speaker A

Think if you were like, man, this is a significant demonic attack.

Speaker A

What was the attack over?

Speaker A

Like, is there anything you can tell us about the altar of Pergamon that would unlock this more?

Speaker B

Yeah, and it's perfect.

Speaker B

And if this is what I mean, what we're doing is great and we don't have to get to other things.

Speaker B

We can do that another time.

Speaker B

But because this is what the Lord wants.

Speaker B

Yeah, the altar, a few things.

Speaker B

One is that this is exposing the enemy and the dark side of spirituality, number one.

Speaker B

Secondly, how its works in the world that have actually affected the entire world in history, including the overall lives that we live.

Speaker B

Everybody's been impacted by almost, almost destroyed the world at one point.

Speaker B

He doesn't want anyone to know that that's number two and number three, also that, that it.

Speaker B

I.

Speaker B

Because I.

Speaker B

Because I wrote it in the story.

Speaker B

He attacked the story.

Speaker B

He used the story against me on that point because the story is.

Speaker B

I did it that way.

Speaker B

I was led to do it that way.

Speaker B

I mean there's like 200 mysteries there.

Speaker B

There's so much.

Speaker B

But, but I did it in a way that's, that's so not only to reach believers, but to especially to reach also non believers.

Speaker B

They have everybody in their lives who don't support because it is a.

Speaker B

People say, oh, it's like a thriller.

Speaker B

It's like, it's like, it's like da Vinci Code or it's like Indiana Jones or it's like Lord of the Rings, you know, this ancient thing, Throne of Satan.

Speaker B

And they can get it.

Speaker B

You know, it'll draw it in.

Speaker B

And then as it's going like, wait a minute, this is real and God is real and it leads to salvation.

Speaker B

I mean, it leads to salvation.

Speaker B

So I believe also this is already touching my heart is not only to strengthen God's people in the fight we have, but also behind us, touch those who don't know the Lord and touch our culture.

Speaker B

So because of what happened on the plane, that's happening already.

Speaker B

So it's also for all the people who will be saved by it because it was written that way.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

And let me just say there's a major confirmation that comes from the Holy Spirit and there are things that he specifically tells us, invest in this, do this thing.

Speaker A

And the Unoffendable Heart Book, I believe, is a major, major message from the Holy Spirit because we have friends and family members that need that as well.

Speaker A

And let me just tell you, if the Holy Spirit's leading you to get the Unoffendable Heart Book, I want you to go ahead, tap the link in the description of this video, but also there's a link in the pinned comment and then pre order the book now and as soon as it comes out on October 20th, it'll get sent out to your home.

Speaker A

But I believe that this book is going to be a spiritual weapon that sets you free and many people in your family free.

Speaker A

As a matter of fact, buy it for somebody else as well.

Speaker A

Don't just stop at getting a copy for yourself because again, there's people who are like, they will.

Speaker A

Thank you.

Speaker A

Oh, the Unoffendable Heart Book.

Speaker A

You got this for me?

Speaker A

Thank you.

Speaker A

And they'll start to read it and God will begin to reveal things and expose things in their heart.

Speaker A

If you know somebody church hurt, if you know somebody that has gone through a divorce, if you know somebody who's single right now, if you know somebody that's like, that's even said things like I'll never forgive them or they've been through trauma or abuse, tap the link, it's the first pin comment and go.

Speaker A

And I want you to pre order the Unoffendable Heart.

Speaker A

It's going to be such a powerful experience to have that book.

Speaker A

Get a couple of copies now and, and let me know in the chat after you've gotten the Unoffendable Heart pre ordered.

Speaker A

Let me know.

Speaker A

I want to shout you out in the chat.

Speaker B

And then also and the last thing that.

Speaker B

That you know, what this leads to.

Speaker B

And every book I write leads with, you know, ends with hope.

Speaker B

I mean, ends with the call.

Speaker B

Is that the charge?

Speaker B

Listen, we are in a fight, but we are guaranteed to win that fight if we keep fighting and that, you know, and the devil, again, the devil cannot stop your calling.

Speaker B

He cannot stop you from fulfilling the purposes of the.

Speaker B

God has.

Speaker B

He wants to.

Speaker B

That's why.

Speaker B

Again, another reason.

Speaker B

He doesn't want the book, but he wants to, but he can't.

Speaker B

If you keep going, you just.

Speaker B

You just keep going in God.

Speaker B

God's the one and God is in charge.

Speaker B

You know, I could not have.

Speaker B

You know.

Speaker B

You know what?

Speaker B

You know, they put this on People magazine and other places.

Speaker B

So a lot of secular people said, oh, he says that it was all just staged.

Speaker B

He staged it so he could talk about the book.

Speaker B

I said, yeah, right.

Speaker B

And the thing is that.

Speaker B

Because it's like.

Speaker B

It's like saying, oh, look, I see where this is going.

Speaker B

This is being used for the other thing.

Speaker B

Well, that's because it's God, you know, and things that.

Speaker B

I couldn't control that.

Speaker B

And the God just happened to have those two people there to make sure everything would be all right, you know, and so.

Speaker B

And so I believe that is the real thing.

Speaker B

It's a big.

Speaker B

And I'm like, listen, I knew for years I was supposed to write this book to reveal this mystery, and I didn't know when.

Speaker B

And so I was praying, and now I got it to do it now.

Speaker B

So it is.

Speaker B

And I knew what I did.

Speaker B

Okay, When I did it.

Speaker B

All right, we're going to tell this.

Speaker A

Stuff, going to step in it.

Speaker B

And, you know, so I knew that.

Speaker B

So I.

Speaker B

So we have to know that, you know, ultimately our lives.

Speaker B

What, what.

Speaker B

Everything's happening in the world and in our lives.

Speaker B

It's the spiritual realm that's more real than the physical.

Speaker B

And that's what determines.

Speaker B

That's what determines it.

Speaker B

And God.

Speaker B

And if all these things are real, which they are, this is.

Speaker B

The book is showing how real this is in specific time and space.

Speaker B

But it means God is more real.

Speaker B

God is.

Speaker A

Oh, that's so good.

Speaker B

His promises are real.

Speaker B

We got to live like that.

Speaker B

Take every word for real.

Speaker B

Go full blast with it, because it's real.

Speaker B

And God will.

Speaker B

God will honor his word.

Speaker B

God will honor this.

Speaker B

It's real.

Speaker B

Take it.

Speaker B

Go with it.

Speaker B

Don't live a half life.

Speaker B

Like, okay, you know, here, you know, it's real.

Speaker B

Yes, you will have fights.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker B

Things go you know, we all go through tough things.

Speaker B

We.

Speaker B

Every one of us does.

Speaker B

That doesn't nullify it.

Speaker B

It's the fight, and it's a good fight, and you're going to win the fight, you know, get encouraged.

Speaker B

So.

Speaker B

So it's all those things I think the enemy did not want.

Speaker B

I mean, I know the enemy didn't want.

Speaker B

And again, we get attacked at virtually every book.

Speaker B

I.

Speaker B

But, you know, as the week was beginning, I'm going over.

Speaker B

I looked at my file.

Speaker B

It was Monday night.

Speaker B

I'm already on the road, and I'm going over all the attacks and 10 of the 11 books, at least.

Speaker A

Wow.

Speaker B

And so.

Speaker B

But this one, because of what it is, we knew it's going to be a dramatic.

Speaker B

I mean, it's going to be a dramatic one.

Speaker B

And we didn't know it was going to be covered by TMZ and people.

Speaker B

We didn't know that, but we knew that because.

Speaker B

And they don't know that, you know.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

But.

Speaker B

But we know that because we.

Speaker B

We are of the spiritual and we got to live that way, you know?

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

How we have.

Speaker B

Listen, greater is he in you.

Speaker A

Come on.

Speaker B

Me.

Speaker B

Than he was in the world or on any airplane.

Speaker B

You know, he is.

Speaker B

Greater is he.

Speaker B

And that's really true.

Speaker B

It's not hype.

Speaker B

It's real.

Speaker B

It is real.

Speaker B

God is real.

Speaker B

The call is real, and the promise is real, and the victory is real.

Speaker A

Come on.

Speaker A

That's right.

Speaker A

And I've never seen Satan fight harder than when he knows he's going to lose souls.

Speaker A

And I just want to say this to everybod, everybody watching, because we got the book linked in the first comment as well as the description.

Speaker A

So here's what I love about fiction.

Speaker A

I actually have an English degree.

Speaker A

Many people may not know that when and when you think about Tolkien, when you think about C.S.

Speaker A

Lewis, the ability for stories to get into people's lives, a lot of people.

Speaker B

Say, you know what?

Speaker A

I don't read the Bible.

Speaker A

I'm an atheist.

Speaker A

I'm agnostic, you know, oh, don't push that Christian stuff on me.

Speaker A

I'm telling you, God has heard your cry.

Speaker A

I believe this book is for right now.

Speaker A

And it's going to be one of those books that when people begin to read it, it's like, oh, what an interesting story.

Speaker A

Then they get enthralled with it, just like they did with CS Lewis, just like they did with Tolkien.

Speaker A

But the gospel is in that message, and it unveils the work of Satan as well.

Speaker A

So this book is really important for that.

Speaker A

And I'll tell you, Satan absolutely hates the idea of your friends, your family members, your co workers reading this book.

Speaker A

And then the scales fall off of their eyes and they get saved.

Speaker A

Which is why I think he attacked the author, the book.

Speaker A

But I. I want to ask you something because I. I was thinking about this, so I.

Speaker A

And I know we're kind of coming to an end.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker A

By the way, if you guys have watched this far, you're amazing.

Speaker A

Make sure you're subscribed to the channel Ring the bell notification so you don't miss it, any one of the videos or live streams.

Speaker A

But something I was thinking about, I just recently revisited Matthew 24.

Speaker A

I've been looking at the book of Daniel, the book of Revelation.

Speaker A

I know you just took a group to Patmos where you guys were retracing John's steps there, which is amazing.

Speaker B

And Pergamon and I didn't plan that.

Speaker B

I didn't really together.

Speaker B

I was scheduled to go there, you know, so get out.

Speaker A

Oh, see?

Speaker A

And I just.

Speaker A

I love that because we share that, that love for, you know, biblical history, church history.

Speaker A

And so anyways, as I was retracing the biblical narrative about the end times, and by the way, if you're watching right now, how many of you believe that we are in the end times?

Speaker A

One of the things it says is that the love of many will grow cold and that offense will increase in the earth.

Speaker A

And everybody talks about wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, famine.

Speaker A

What I don't hear enough people talking about is offense increasing as well as the love of many growing cold.

Speaker A

And to hear that you were subjected to the verbiage and the wording that that guy used.

Speaker A

Of course, I'm deeply sorry that you even had to hear that.

Speaker A

I mean, it just hurts my heart.

Speaker A

And we've been praying for you.

Speaker A

But the demonic is connected to that.

Speaker A

And I think there's a lot of people watching right now that they've been persecuted in their family for following Christ and offenses increasing.

Speaker A

And so with the altar of Pergamon, how do you see the connection to that with that man?

Speaker A

He tried to interact with believers.

Speaker A

It sounds like he was offended, he was rejected.

Speaker A

He left the faith, or at least church.

Speaker A

How do you see the enemy working in that way?

Speaker A

Because this book is such a powerful evangelism tool.

Speaker A

But there might be.

Speaker A

Some people are like, well, I'm hesitant because of offense.

Speaker A

Because of this.

Speaker B

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

Well, one thing.

Speaker B

Yeah, he had rejected it.

Speaker B

And that kind of opens the door.

Speaker B

I mean, because it's you know, I mean, with that.

Speaker B

But the thing is that I think as the culture and along with what it says, it says many will fall away.

Speaker B

You know, it talks about a great falling away and immorality will increase.

Speaker B

And that goes with all this because now for a believer to say things that were, that everybody said a few years ago, now it's an offense, right now it's an offense where, where in some people they are, they are put on trial, like in Europe for saying things that everybody believes.

Speaker B

So it's because the culture change and now we're saying evil is good and good is evil.

Speaker B

So now we are offended by it.

Speaker B

We're offended by you.

Speaker B

And he was offended, you know, and the thing is that, that at the same time, the other side of it is, I mean, first of all, if you're getting offense again, again, and remember what, remember Lord said, blessed are you if you're, if people are offended over you.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker B

So you're supposed to leap for joy.

Speaker B

So, so don't forget to leave.

Speaker B

You know, we're supposed to, Lord, thank you.

Speaker B

And I literally, I was doing that.

Speaker B

I was, I didn't, wasn't leaping, but I was thanking God on the plane, you know, and that's part of the victory right there.

Speaker B

Because I don't, the main thing is I don't want to offend God.

Speaker B

You know, offending them is okay.

Speaker B

But, but the other thing is that also know that what you're doing, and this is kind of like the subtext of what we're saying, what you're, what you're doing, why you're getting that reaction is because what you're saying is powerful.

Speaker A

That's it.

Speaker B

And the thing is that that tells you.

Speaker B

And if the culture is more offended now, it means that what you say is going to make a more, more impact.

Speaker B

You're going to be like the apostle Paul.

Speaker B

You're going to be like the book of Acts when they said it to a pagan thing and they were offended, yet God did great and mighty things.

Speaker B

So if the dark makes, you know, brings out the light and the light becomes, is more powerful in its manifestation.

Speaker B

So what you say, you know, again, if everybody just said, okay, that's great, we're all Christians, you know, it wouldn't make any effect.

Speaker B

But now it is going to make an effect.

Speaker B

So don't stop, be bold.

Speaker B

You can't control people.

Speaker B

And listen, this guy might get saved.

Speaker B

Sometimes people are totally offended and then they get saved.

Speaker B

Sometimes that because you're touching something otherwise if they're not offended, you don't know what, what's happening, but.

Speaker B

Or they're not reacting, but they're reacting.

Speaker B

So don't get discouraged.

Speaker B

This is part.

Speaker B

This is all part of it, you know, and we, we may see more of that, but the thing is, it's okay.

Speaker B

We.

Speaker B

That, that's what.

Speaker B

That was how it began.

Speaker B

And we are to be like the apostles.

Speaker B

You know, this is.

Speaker B

Everything's going back.

Speaker B

We're to be like the apostles.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

Oh, man, what a mic drop moment, guys.

Speaker A

Well, so listen, I have a book coming out called the Unoffendable heart.

Speaker A

It's on October 20th.

Speaker A

And so.

Speaker A

And the reason why I say that is because you nailed it.

Speaker A

I mean, we have to have the unoffendable heart of Christ.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker A

He's on the cross saying, hey, God, you know, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Speaker A

So it's like we confront this.

Speaker A

It's like we confront the spirit behind the man, but we have compassion for the man.

Speaker A

And in the process of doing the will of the Father, we will offend many people, but we must remain unoffendable.

Speaker A

So thank you so much for modeling that for many.

Speaker A

I think even the way that you've dealt with this situation has shown the compassion of Christ, but the confrontation to the spirit behind that man.

Speaker A

And so you, You've been.

Speaker A

You've been an example.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker B

Not against flesh and blood.

Speaker B

And I really feel for him that we.

Speaker B

And we can do that because we are on the winning side.

Speaker A

That's it.

Speaker B

If you're on the losing side, you're going to be mad about everything.

Speaker B

But if you're on the winning side, like, wait, that didn't, that didn't take away nothing.

Speaker B

Can.

Speaker B

You know, if God's going to work all things for good, then what did they do?

Speaker B

Even what they did, even they thought they were doing something, it's not.

Speaker B

It's going to bless me.

Speaker B

So why am I getting upset about being blessed?

Speaker B

You know, so.

Speaker B

So we can bless people.

Speaker B

We can love those who come against us and, and pray and redeem God.

Speaker B

This is not redemption, you know, I love it.

Speaker A

Oh, I love Jonathan Khan.

Speaker A

Thank you so much.

Speaker B

And I know you said it, but this is what, this is what offended him.

Speaker B

Don't be offended by this.

Speaker B

Again, a good reaction when you see it.

Speaker B

Don't have the reaction the guy.

Speaker B

But.

Speaker B

But again, I just use different people in your life as well as yourself.

Speaker B

But yeah, and that's it.

Speaker B

Like, the cool thing about this, we're.

Speaker B

That's okay.

Speaker B

We were going to talk about was in the book.

Speaker B

It's good.

Speaker B

We'll do.

Speaker B

If you're okay in the future, we can do another.

Speaker B

A thing where we can actually.

Speaker B

Yeah, if you want to.

Speaker B

But this was great.

Speaker B

This was what God wanted and he wanted to really touch people where they are.

Speaker A

Absolutely.

Speaker A

What's funny is when I went live right after the situation happened, I put your book cover on my screen 50 times because I said if this is the book that's irritating demons, let's just go and irritate millions of demons right now.

Speaker A

And guys, again, the book is in the description.

Speaker A

I really believe it's one of those books.

Speaker A

And I'm not just saying this, but I believe it because I understand the power of books like this because stories can enter people's hearts, their imagination and then eventually get into their spirit.

Speaker A

The Bible talks about your eyes being a gate, you know, the window to your soul.

Speaker A

And so if you can bring this into your soul, God can do a work.

Speaker A

It's a seed that goes in.

Speaker A

And I think there's many of you that are going to get multiple copies.

Speaker A

Give them to your kids, your friends, your family members.

Speaker A

But yeah, you're right.

Speaker A

Maybe we'll do a part two.

Speaker A

We can go a little bit deeper especially as people get the book and we can go dissect it spiritually more were.

Speaker A

Yeah.

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The mystery.

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Yeah.

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But this is great, Mike.

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And you're always a blessing, you know, and.

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And people see you on there like they see me you too.

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I.

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But I.

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We know each other personally and you're a wonderful person and I.

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It's a joy to know you.

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Truly joy to know you and it's a joy.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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I love your heart.

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It just.

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And this was the spirit God wants to speak several things to people who are.

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Who are listening of their.

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That's it.

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Yeah, I felt it.

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And this.

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I think this broadcast was important because you know what you're demonstra.

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He's like.

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I mean you were subjected to.

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And I'm going to say it but you were subjected to physical and verbal, you know, attack.

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And most people would, you know, be dealing with that in the natural.

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With it's, you know, could be a PTSD inducing situation.

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But I think what you're showing people is man, the spirit of the living.

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God's on the inside of you and it's like you're rejoicing while it's happening.

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You're praying for the man, you know, and.

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And it's.

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And I just.

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The fruit of the Spirit is just emanating from you.

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So we're thankful for you and for your example.

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And as you guys get this book, maybe we'll have them come back on and go dissect some of the themes even deeper.

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But I think the theme of this one is, I believe if you're offendable, you're deceivable.

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And it's like that man, he was offended, and then it opened up a realm of deceit.

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And then you see this demonic doors open, manifestations and all that.

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And so thank you for showing us what it looks like to not only have an unoffendable heart, but, you know, a lot of people would say, well, if I know I'm going to get attacked by the enemy, why even do it?

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Right?

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But I think what you're saying is, no, the attack is the evidence that you're doing the right thing.

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Imagine if the Apostle Paul said, well, I was beaten and imprisoned.

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So let me just give up, because one of the things.

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I want to speak to this real quick.

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Maybe this is the last thing.

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And then we'll.

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We'll click off.

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There were people in the comments section saying, well, if he's really a man of God, why would he be attacked?

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If he.

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You know, why didn't he take authority over the spirit?

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And I was like, hold on now, because I just got a 4.0 in a master's of theology myself.

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I just went back to school.

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I got an A plus in Biblical Greek, and I just retraced the Apostle Paul's steps myself for the second time.

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And the reality is, even Paul casting demons out of people confronting, he still was attacked, shipwrecked, beaten in prison.

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And I think Christians have this idea that you're just gonna say a prayer, and it's like, no, no.

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When you get to the level of warfare of someone like Jonathan, someone who's doing a massive global push for a book that's gonna expose the devil, that level of attack, what we're celebrating is that you came out of it unscathed, just like Paul came out of prison, just like Paul walked away from the beatings.

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But this idea that we're gonna be exempt from it just because we say magic words is biblically inept.

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You know, we got to go deeper than that.

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So I just wanted to personally get your back on that.

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I don't know if you have any thoughts.

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Yes.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, listen, listen.

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The Bible never is.

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Yeah, sometimes we say things that are not really, like, a little part of the Bible, but it's not the Whole.

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The Bible.

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Listen, look at all the people of the Bible.

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And they look at, look at Hebrews 11.

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Look at all the people of faith.

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But what they went through, Listen, if you're not getting opposition, you're not doing God's will.

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Come on.

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And you know, and there are those, Listen, there are those who die for their faith.

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They are martyrs, you know, they're those, right?

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You know, the Lord, who had more power than the Lord, and he was crucified because God was going to do something greater, you know, and the same with Paul.

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He's put in prison, but he starts.

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He doesn't say, I can never go to prison.

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He goes in prison.

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He started.

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He praises God in the prison.

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That was the victory.

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And he writes the epistles in the prison.

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So he touches billions instead of thousands.

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So God is so much deeper and bigger.

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It's okay.

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We do have the victory.

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It's not always the way we think, but we are guaranteed victory no matter what.

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And, and that.

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And you cannot have victory without opposition.

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You cannot have victory without that.

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So that does happen.

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And yet we do have the victory.

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And you know, I thought about that afterwards, you know, because listen, the, the Judas had a demon, you know, Right?

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Yes.

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But it was.

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God had something greater.

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And God actually was using all this, you know.

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You know, he just had.

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Using all this to do something greater than we could have ever done before, to get the word out, you know, so it's amazing.

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God is on the throne, man.

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Jonathan Cahn, you are on fire.

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Every time I'm with you, you're going from glory to glory.

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So you don't know this.

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There's no way you could know it.

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The big moment of my book towards the end is me breaking down the original Greek.

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That explains when Judas became offended because of course he said, well, that oil is a year's worth of wages.

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Why did you use it?

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And allow her to use it in worship?

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And then Jesus responds, you don't even care about the poor.

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And the Bible says that he became offended.

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But when you look at the original Greek, it's the equivalency of, of like a door is cracked, you open it up.

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But then Satan kicks it off the hinges and enters the heart of Judas and a fence actually opened that door and he forcibly entered his heart.

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And you're speaking to it now.

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So I think what you said is so good and it helped many.

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So hopefully it's case closed on that one.

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But thank you so much for your life, for your example, this book.

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And we cannot wait to dive in deeper.

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I really appreciate you.

Speaker B

Thank you so much, Mike.

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It's always a blessing.

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All right, guys, if you like this, hit the thumbs up and hit that share button and get it to a few friends and show them what God's doing.

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Hey, are you living in a culture that keeps handing us reasons to be offended?

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I know I am.

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And if we're not careful, we can carry that offense for years without realizing what it's actually costing us.

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I mean, maybe it came through a broken relationship, a difficult co worker, hello, betrayal in your family, or division in your church, which is so real.

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You prayed, you tried to move on, but that hurt.

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It stayed.

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I'm Pastor Mike Signorelli, and I wrote the Unoffendable Heart because I know what it's like to carry a fence, and I know the freedom that Jesus offers on the other side of it.

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Jesus, he faced betrayal, rejection, and injustice, and he didn't just need thicker skin.

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That's what the world tells us.

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You know, he had a stronger heart.

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And that same kind of heart is available to you today.

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You know, this book will help you heal the wounds that keep getting touched, break the cycles of resentment, deal with difficult people without actually becoming one, and then step back into relationships with wisdom, with freedom and love.

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So pre order the Unoffendable Heart today and let God make your heart strong again.

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This is a message from him.

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Pre order the book now.