The Alien Deception (UFOs vs. Astrophysicist) Feat. Dr. Hugh Ross

But I wanna just start by reiterating my story.

Many of you know it, but I was raised in church.

Many of you know my mother and I was quite frankly forced to go to church.

I was one of those kids where you didn't have a choice.

And I became the first college educated person on both sides of my family.

And so as I began to attend a Big ten university, I was exposed to many different ideas.

And I actually had the cliche professor of biology who got up in front of the entire classroom and said, God does not exist and I'm gonna devote this entire semester to proving it to you.

And over the course of that semester, it worked.

And I began to deconstruct my faith.

And essentially that started my sophomore year of college.

And for the next two years I went on a really intense journey of trying to determine what do I believe.

But I abandoned Christianity.

And as fate would have it, I moved into a house at the corner of Atwater and Jordan by the School of Music in IU Bloomington.

And I got randomly, come on, say it in air quotes.

I had one of my roommates was a guy named Lamont King Black.

This was his real name, which is an epic name.

And he had devoted his life to apologetics, he devoted his life to theology.

And when he found out that I used to be this hardcore Christian who loved God, but that I had deconstructed and I had left, he began to ask me, well, what is it?

And we started to go on this journey and at a particular point in our discussion, he said, oh, you need to read Dr. Hugh Ross.

And I said, well, what do you mean?

He said, he's an astrophysicist and he's written all these books.

And so I begin to read, you know, his books.

And I'll never forget getting to a point where essentially one of your books, you checkmated me.

And I was like, oh no, I'm wrong and the Christian faith is true and it is right and I just begin to weep.

And those tear stained pages of your book.

And there's a young Mike Signorelli that makes a journey back to Christ.

And Lamont actually prayed that prayer with me in that house at the corner of Atwater and Jordan.

And I gave my life back to Christ.

And it was funny because right after that I met this curly headed girl named Julie.

Rar.

And it was soon after that that we got engaged and we got married.

And then I was ordained in ministry a couple years later.

And so I just wanna sincerely thank you because you've been A hero in the faith.

You've been a mentor from a distance.

I've gleaned from your books, I've pored over your books.

And then a couple of years ago, I invited you to my YouTube channel and we talked about aliens and all kinds of weird nerd stuff, which I love.

And it went mega viral.

Like many, many millions of views and short form content and long.

And so in many ways, this is part two.

So, Dr. Hugh Ross, thank you for coming to Manhattan for V1 Church.

Thank you for leading me back to Christ.

Thank you for the work that you do.

And welcome.

Okay, so that's the story.

I didn't cry.

I'm proud of myself.

I cried backstage.

But we're just gonna jump into it tonight.

Is that all right?

Okay.

So you've got a new book, Noah's Flood Revisited.

And many of us were in Sunday school.

We did the coloring book version of Noah's Flood.

I'm just going to start by simply asking you, Noah's Flood, fact or fiction?

A fact.

Like, did it really happen?

And maybe you can go a little bit deeper about this story.

Noah's Flood.

Well, the reason I wrote the book is Noah's Flood in Genesis is the most ridiculed part of the entire Bible.

It's the number one reason why people reject the Bible as the inspired inerrant word of God.

So I said, hey, I need to write a book showing people this is not just an allegory.

This is actually true chronological history.

And it's more scientifically defensible today than it was two years ago, five years ago, and 10 years ago.

So.

So the book is packed with recent scientific discoveries that really leave no doubt.

This is an historical account, it's chronological, it's historically and scientifically true.

And hopefully a lot of people will now have confidence that the Bible really is God's word.

Wow.

Isn't that encouraging?

And, you know, this phenomenon continues to happen.

And this was actually what led me back to Christ.

It was modern discoveries in science that continue to prove the Hebrew account of creation and various different biblical narratives.

So can maybe we go a little bit deeper?

Because I think that skeptics look at the story of Noah's flood and they say, well, this is a mean God.

This is an angry God, this is a vengeful God.

But could, could there be a deeper revelation of God's justice and mercy in Noah's Flood?

Yeah, I actually make the point.

This is an example of God's mercy.

This was a time when murder was rising out of Control.

I show in the book that the murder rate was above 95%.

Humanity was in danger of self extermination.

God had to step in to rescue humanity from wiping itself out.

And so that's what he did.

And it's a principle you see throughout the entire Bible.

Whenever a human civilization becomes reprobate, nor evil.

Just like a surgeon says, hey, you got a stage four tumor, I need to take it out of your body, otherwise your whole body will be infected.

Likewise, God says, hey, if a whole city or nation becomes reprobate, it must be removed to save the rest of humanity.

Now, the good news is this.

In the New Testament area, it can't happen.

When Jesus rose bodily from the dead, when the Holy Spirit for the first time permanently indwelt followers of Jesus Christ, they became the salt of the earth, preventing societal reprobation.

Because skeptics will often say, well, the God of the New Testament is different than the God of the Old Testament.

He's not.

The difference is humanity has changed.

Oh, this is so good.

Well, isn't that good?

So when we look at Noah's flood, you had referenced these modern scientific discoveries.

Can we go a little bit deeper into that?

Because I'm really intrigued how many of you are going to get the book, by the way.

You know, I want to create an appetite in you to go deeper in your journey, but I'd love to hear more about those discoveries.

Well, I wanted to write the book a decade ago, but I said I'm going to wait until he can nail down with scientific certainty the events of Genesis 10 and 11.

And this is post flood, when God basically deals with humanity's rebellion, where they're saying, we're going to stay in one place.

And God says, I'm going to scatter you over all the land masses of the Earth.

For the first time, we can accurately date when that scattering occurred.

And what's amazing is it's simultaneous.

All over Northern Europe, Southern Europe, Australia, Tasmania, Borneo, Japan, Western Africa, they're all colonized at the same time.

So it basically demonstrates God's word gutters.

It's the only time in human history where you see that kind of aggressive, simultaneous migration and colonization.

Now that we've got accurate dates for that, that establishes Noah's flood must predate that.

And the dates basically remove all the scientific challenges to taking the Bible as God's inerrant word.

Okay, this is.

Okay.

Now, I know that you're not afraid of scandal.

You've referenced the dates.

Now, this is actually one of the things that I needed to reconcile.

In my mind, going way back to the early 2000s, when I first started reading your books, the big breakthrough for me was understanding the actual age of the earth.

Right.

So do you mind maybe stepping in that direction lovingly and helping people understand to corroborate this evidence, we have to really, truly believe something about the timeline of the existence of our universe?

Right.

Well, what attracted me to the Christian faith, I was not raised in a Christian home, actually studied the other religions of the world first.

But what I notice about the Bible is it taught a two creation model with two revelations from God.

He reveals himself through the book of scripture.

He also reveals himself through the book of nature, and they corroborate one another.

Now, you ask me about the age of the earth as an astrophysicist, I would say, well, we got that nailed down to five places at the decimal 4.5662 billion years ago, plus or minus 0.0001 billion.

And it's like, how does that square with the Bible?

Well, when I first picked up the Bible at age 17 and began to go through Genesis 1, I said number one, the Hebrew word for day here must have at least three distinct literal definitions, because three are used in the text.

So with Creation Day, 1, it uses the word day for the daylight hours.

Creation Day 4, it's contrasting seasons, days, and years.

That's day as 24 hours.

But in Genesis 2, 4, it uses the same word day for the entirety of creation history.

So as day is a long period of time, I also notice the first six creation days end with an evening morning phrase basically telling me each day has a definite start time, each day has a definite end time.

But you get To Creation Day 7, there's no evening morning phrase implying we're still in God's seventh day.

That's explicitly stated in Psalm 95 and Hebrews 4.

We're to live our lives in such a way that we can enter into God's seventh day.

And notice God creates for six days.

He ceases from his work of creation, and he'll create again in the new creation.

The eighth day is coming.

But what God does in the seventh day, and we're to model what God does, we're to work six days and on the seventh day, or to focus on the most important issues of life.

What you see in scripture, God begins his works of redemption before he creates anything at all.

For six days, he creates.

What does he do in the seventh day?

He redeems and tells us in Romans 8, when the full number of humans that God intends to redeem have been redeemed.

He will create again.

The eighth day is coming.

So as a young man, I never saw any contradiction between the book of scripture and the book of nature.

They're saying the same thing.

They corroborate one another.

You know, the fact that Genesis 1 describes all the creation events in the correct scientific order and correctly describes them.

It's the only book of all the ancient religions of the world that gets everything right.

The best I found outside of the Bible only got 2 out of 14 right.

The Bible gets everything right.

That was my first clue.

This book did not come from a mere human being.

It was inspired by the one that actually did the creation deeds.

So that what you, what he just said was, when I rededicated my life back to Christ and let me tell you why, I had read the Hindu Vedas, I read the Quran, and as I began to read each other major world religions book, it was easily debunked from a scientific perspective, from a historic perspective.

And so my thought was, if I could simply do that to the Bible, then I am free from any obligation to ever be a Christian for the rest of my life.

So remember when I talked about him checkmating me, he just did it again because I was basically reading that in one of his books and I realized, oh no.

If the Hebrew account of creation is true as recorded in scripture and the Bible is reliable, then everything else in scripture is also true.

And then I have one decision.

Do I submit or rebel?

See, that's ultimately why many of you are here tonight.

Because you'll be put in a crossroads to determine whether you're gonna submit to the authority of scriptures.

My conversion story is the same.

I basically realized, okay, Hindu Vedas, Quran and Buddhist commentaries, they all get the science wrong.

The Bible gets everything right.

It even predicts future scientific discoveries thousands of years ahead of time.

And it brought me to the same point of decision.

What do I do with this?

Do I reject it or do I give my life to Christ?

And I realize that this is true and more reliable than the laws of physics.

I trust I have to give my life to Christ.

So, wow, isn't that amazing?

More reliable than the laws of physics.

I love that line.

You know, if you want to continue to go deeper on this, I know that we're talking about the scientific evidence that God created the universe.

We're talking about the date and the age of the universe.

And if we were to kind of like continue to flesh that out, I mean, there's probably some people here who are struggling that they're still in, you know, wrestling with doubt.

And I remember reading about you making the presentation about how the numerical certainty of God creating.

I don't know if you'd be willing to kind of share that.

Well, I was studying the Bible the same time that physicists were developing the first of the space time theorems, which basically state if the universe contains mass and if general relativity reliably describes the movements of massive bodies in the universe, space and time have to have a beginning.

Space and time are created, which implies there must be an agent beyond space and time that created our universe of matter, energy, space and time.

So when a scientist says, I want to see scientific evidence for a miracle, I said, what bigger miracle can you actually require than the coming into existence of all the physical reality?

If God can do that, he can do all the smaller miracles.

Wow.

Can you imagine?

Yeah, that's incredible.

And so, you know what are.

Okay.

Cause I wanna keep pointing back to the book.

Cause you talked about these recent discoveries.

And I feel like Noah's flood is a theme that just continues to come up in culture right now.

Have you guys all been picking up on that?

Rick Renner has been writing about it extensively.

People have been visiting the.

Anthony Philip Mitchell's talking about it.

It's like, you know, so many diverse voices in the body of Christ are talking about Noah's flood right now.

What are some of those recent scientific discoveries?

Well, number one, we can date when this great scattering humanity happened described in Genesis 10 and 11.

Those dates come in at 40 to 50,000 years ago.

Which implies Noah's flood must predate that.

If it predates that, we don't have a genetic challenge to all of humanity coming from eight people on board Noah's Ark.

And then people were wondering, well, could people that far back actually build a boat of that size?

Well, just before this book went to press, a paper got published where they discovered these big thick ropes in the southern islands of Indonesia.

And realizing these had to be ropes for large ships going from Indonesia to Australia that were 3 or 400ft long.

So basically showing, yeah, people that far back really could build boats that big.

And people were saying, well, you know, what's this gopher wood?

Notice the old testament mentions 21 different kinds of hardwood.

Gopher wood is not identified.

But the fact that The Bible mentions 21 other different kinds of hardwood tells us gopher wood has a higher strength index than acacia wood.

And if it does, you can easily have a wooden boat 450ft long, which has been a primary challenge.

People saying, no one can build a boat that big.

We know they can.

And then, you know, what about the animals on board the ark?

Seven different Hebrew words are used in Genesis 6 and 7 and eight for the animals on board Noah's ark.

If you look at all seven words, it's basically talking about the basar nefesh, which means the animals domesticated by humans.

And the total number of animals pairs would have been domesticated by humans, would be under 300, which means the ark is plenty big enough to house all those animals.

And again, you look at the Bible text on judgment, the only animals that can be negatively impacted by human sin are the animals that we can domesticate for agricultural purposes and then we make as pets.

Which is why it says in the Old Testament, if a cow is a habit of goring other animals and that continues and the owner is rebuked, if that continues, then the cow must be killed and the owner along with it making the point the human is responsible for that animal behaving in that way.

But don't worry about cockroaches.

Your sin is not gonna affect the behavior of a cockroach.

That's hilarious.

Doesn't that satiate so many questions you've had?

Because when all you have is coloring book Christianity, I mean, that version of Noah's ark just seems so absolutely ridiculous that in some ways it makes you almost ashamed to call yourself a Christian.

But when you actually look at the text, you go back to the Hebrew words, you understand the historic context, it all starts making a lot more sense.

Here's the question that I have been dying to ask you.

Is it a local flood or a global flood?

Well, what I talk about in this book, it's not local.

It's not global.

It's worldwide.

What you see in Second Peter two, the world of ungodly people was flooded.

So the flood extended as far as ungodly people lived.

Well, I think we can be assured there were no ungodly people living in Antarctica.

So there's no need for God to flood Antarctica.

There's no need for Noah to take on board penguins because they wouldn't have been damaged by human sin.

God's judgment only goes as far as the iniquity of human evil.

Just like a surgeon limits his operations to the extent of the, you know, the metastasis.

And the Bible actually uses that word for human sin.

He operates when it's in danger of metastasizing.

Because at one point we have Abraham saying, I know you're going to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah, but what about these wicked Amorites?

God says their wickedness has not yet reached its fullness.

I will not touch them.

But he did take out the Sodomites because they were in danger of infecting the rest of humanity.

So it's the world of ungodly people was flooded.

Now, I believe they inhabited a large region of the world, but there were no humans in North America or South America or Australia at that time.

We're basically talking the near and Middle east, maybe parts of Eastern Africa.

That's still a really huge flood, which is why I'm saying, hey, if we're talking previous to 40 to 50,000 years ago, that puts it during the last ice age, when you've got enormous melt events that it could easily have produced a really vast flood.

Okay, did you pick up on that?

So once you move away from a localized flood, but also you move away from a global flood, and you now say it's worldwide and it's God's judgment upon those who, you know, were in that equation, then the record would also seem to indicate that even from, like, a archeological perspective, Right.

When you look at the layers, you say, can you maybe talk a little bit more about that?

Like, the melting.

It's all that.

It would corroborate your version of this interpretation.

Well, people think the last Ice age was a period where you just had thousands of feet of ice covering a lot of the land masses for almost 100,000 years.

The truth is, the previous last ice age had eight melt events, in other words, where you got thousands of feet of thickness of ice melting and then refreezing, melting and refreezing.

So you got the ice shrinking and expanding.

And if you got that kind of a melt event, you get a lot of water.

Explains why the flood lasted a whole year.

Because the only way it can last that long is if you've got a lot of ice that's melting, replacing the water that's flowing out into the ocean.

Wow.

Isn't that amazing?

Wow.

So I want to do a few things because I think this is fun.

Are you all enjoying this, by the way?

Time is flying by, by the way.

I'm, like, enthralled.

And again, this has just been so enriching.

So if you had to, and I'm going to challenge you, but I know you're up for it.

And so if you had to try to convince an atheist, somebody who's struggling in 60 seconds with all the expansive knowledge that you Have.

Of course, you've been delving into Noah's flood.

You've written about so many different aspects of unbelief.

But if you were to look at somebody in 60 seconds who struggled with unbelief, with atheism, what would be the means of communication?

What would you say?

Well, Mike, every day I get atheists on my social media saying the flood is a scientifically provable myth.

I say, well, it's because you think the Bible teaches the flood is global and happened just a few thousand years ago.

Have you actually read all the texts in the Bible?

Not just those in Genesis.

There's more content in Noah's flood outside of Genesis than in Genesis.

If you read all that, you'll discover the Bible puts the date a lot earlier and really talks about a worldwide flood, not a global flood.

Once they understand that, they say, okay, no longer does science have an objection to that.

And then they begin to ask other questions on other subjects.

Come on, wasn't that good?

And I think what I found too, in trying to debate people and have like, really robust discussions, is most people, and maybe you can confirm this, are only a few questions away from embracing Christ.

And it's often not 50 questions.

It's really just a few major questions.

Are there like, some.

What are some of the major things?

I know you just referenced one of them.

Are there some others that people.

Some common things that people struggle with?

Well, they struggle with Genesis 1.

They think, hey, this is all scientific nonsense.

I said, yeah, probably because you're not applying the biblical testing method, AKA the scientific method that always shocks them.

The scientific method actually comes from the pages of Scripture.

Step one, don't interpret until you identify the point of view.

Genesis 1:2 says, the point of view is God hovering on the surface of the waters below the clouds, not above the clouds.

Most skeptics think God is telling us a story from above the clouds.

From that perspective, Genesis 1 is teaching 100% scientific nonsense.

But put it correctly on the surface of the waters, it's 100% true.

And just showing people quickly how that works out within just a few minutes, I say, oh, the Bible got it right thousands of years before scientists even discovered this.

Another one I like to use on my peers in astrophysics.

The Bible is the only ancient book that actually said we live in a Big Bang universe.

They say, well, show me the scriptures.

I show them.

They say, wow, you're right.

This is the only book that actually said it thousands of years before scientists discovered it.

And the first scientists discover it was A Christian astrophysicist Abb Lemaitre in 1925.

Wow.

In 1925.

Yeah.

Wow, that is amazing.

Isn't this awesome?

Are y' all getting something out of this?

Okay, so I know that we're coming up on time.

If it's all right, can we just extend a little bit?

Is that all right?

Sure, yeah.

I mean, you like how I ask him in front of all of you and peer pressure him.

Okay, I'm gonna selfishly ask some of my questions, and then if you're up to it, maybe we could take a few from the audience.

Okay.

So the team.

Maybe the team can get ready with, like, a microphone and.

And we'll take a few questions from the audience just to kind of.

And then we'll transition.

So here's how I wrote it, because I'm trying to think.

I'm like, okay, I'm here with Dr. U. Ross.

This is one of the highlights of my year.

Here's how I wrote it.

What scientific discovery keeps evolutionists awake at night?

Yeah, I debate a lot of evolutionary biologists.

That's why I ask.

Yeah, it's like, have you ever considered the physics of the science?

They said, what's the sun got to do with evolutionary biology?

Everything.

The sun gets brighter and brighter as it fuses hydrogen to helium.

And life can only tolerate a 1% change in the brightness of the sun.

Now, what happens is, as the sun gets brighter and brighter, we have these mass extinction events where life is removed from the Earth and immediately new life appears.

But that new life is more efficient at pulling greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere.

So as the sun gets brighter and brighter, life on planet Earth becomes more and more efficient at removing these greenhouse gases to keep the temperature on the surface of the earth optimal for life.

Here's the bottom line.

Only a mind that knows the future physics of the sun would know which life to remove from planet Earth and which new life to replace it and how often to do that.

Now, this is actually in Psalm 104.

It's a property of all life to die off.

But God recreates and renews the face of the Earth.

But only a mind that knows the future physics of the sun would be able to know which life to remove, which new life to bring in.

An evolutionary mechanism would immediately get it wrong.

And so I've been finding that's the most effective way and the fastest way to convince people believe in biological evolution.

No, nature can't do it.

It takes God to pull it off.

It's so Good, I love it.

Well, okay, let me ask a follow up question.

So what do you say?

And again, I know some of this because of course you've helped me through all of these questions.

But I'm trying to give everybody a little taste to encourage you to go to his website, to buy his books and to go on your own journey to.

Because his time is limited.

But you know, one of the things that I wrestled with was the pre humanoids.

I mean that for me was major.

I don't know if it's because I look like one, I don't know, you know, but that for me was tough.

And it was the work that you've devoted your life to in some seasons to write about that particular topic that just helped me greatly.

So I don't know if you could just quickly kind of tag that in.

While we see about a dozen different species of bipedal primates that preceded us human beings.

But it's not an evolutionary path.

What we notice is that the brain size is like this.

As you go through the 6 million year history, their bipedal capability goes up and down like this.

So it's not an evolutionary path towards bigger brain and greater bipedal capability.

The one place where we do see a linear rise is the capacity of each successive species to hunt large bodied bird and mammal creatures.

What's interesting, there were none of these bipedal primate species in North America, South America or Australia.

When humans came into those three continents, they quickly wiped out the large body bird and mammals that they needed to launch civilization.

Notice the humans in Australia, north and South America, they remain stuck in the Stone Age.

It took Europeans bring in the animals that they needed to get out of the Stone Age.

Now the extinction rate in Australia when humans entered it was 94.5%.

The extinction rate in Africa, where all but one of these species existed, was only 4.5%.

What was happening is God specially created these different species basically to train these animals.

When you see tall bipedals with weapons in their hands, run away.

And here's the biblical perspective.

God created birds and mammals to come to us and to serve and please us.

And so he created these bipedal primates to say, look, these humans, they're going to be sinners and they're going to do you harm.

And so the bipedal primates basically trained them.

Hey, when you see them, run away.

And notice these animals survived in Europe, Africa and Asia.

They did not survive in north and South America and Australia.

And each one of these species had a small Population.

We're not talking millions, we're talking thousands.

If it's thousands, they can't evolve.

And the evidence for that, we look at Neanderthals, for example.

They were here from 400,000 years ago to about 40,000 years ago.

Their anatomy is the same throughout that whole period.

There's no evolution and their technology is the same.

There is no technological advance.

When we humans come upon the scene within a few tens of thousands of years, we're putting people on the moon, so our technology explodes.

Their technology was stagnant.

So it really does show that we do uniquely have the image of God.

We're exceptional.

Oh, I love that.

That helped me greatly.

That answer at a certain point in my journey was absolutely necessary.

And you know what?

It did?

And I want to speak from an emotional perspective.

It caused my trust in God to increase.

And I found great comfort in the fact that he had this whole thing figured out.

And it also made me realize that even the greatest IQ is a pea sized intelligence compared to God's mind, you know?

And so thank you for the work that you've done to try to decode some of the decisions that our master, our creator, has deployed in these different eras for our benefit.

Isn't it amazing?

It's kind of the equivalency of the kid in the backseat of the car who's like, when are we gonna get there?

And it's like, listen, just trust me.

You have idea how to drive a car.

You have no idea how to get us there.

Like.

And I think there's times where when I look back historically, it's like the Lord has been taking his children on a journey.

He knows the destination and we can trust in him, you know, or some would say, jesus, take the wheel.

So do we have a question?

I'd love to just give an opportunity for a few people to do kind of like a rapid fire Q and a.

He's so Dr. Hugh Ross, by the way, just so you know.

His heart for our church or his heart for each and every single one of you.

We kind of talked about this service plan and he said, I know that we have limited time, but I'm willing to do some Q and A.

Isn't that amazing?

So let's take a few questions.

Oh, are we using the only two?

Wow.

Okay.

Okay.

So I had a question about defining the supernatural and the spiritual, where there's kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness.

And I just wanted to ask because I did listen to your podcast with Pastor Mike talking about aliens and how that's connected more so spiritually or supernaturally versus maybe the alien patterns that we have seen so far.

Yeah, let me, I'll re, I'll just restate it for the microphone.

So essentially he's asking about, you know, good versus evil, God versus Satan.

You know, of course we talked about aliens last time.

Maybe that factors in somehow.

How would you respond to someone asking about the nature of the spiritual realm?

Angels, demons, which you've written a lot about as well.

Well, I got a brand new book coming out within a few months.

It's about extraterrestrial life, UAPs, and making the point.

God created two distinct species of intelligent life, we human beings that are constrained by the physics of the universe, and angels who are not.

He's given them the power to come into a realm and leave our realm.

And one of the things we just were talking about today is how we know we're not being visited by extraterrestrials like us.

Because the biggest spaceship that can travel through interstellar space without being totally destroyed by the particles that are there is about the size of a matchstick.

So not even a bacterium is going to make it.

However, angelic beings are not constrained by the physics of the universe.

And one thing we're noticing about the UAP phenomena, I've been studying them since I was 16.

About 99% of what people report to me, it's either a natural phenomena or it's a human made phenomena.

But there's a 1% residual and we notice about that 1% residual, we can prove that the real.

At the same time, we can prove that they're non physical.

So there's literally more than 1,000 places in the world where UFOs have been observed coming through the atmosphere at more than 10,000 miles per hour.

No sonic boom, no heat frictions observed.

If it's a physical object, you will get a sonic boom or heat friction, they crash into the earth.

You go to the crash site, you can see a shallow crater.

The vegetation is always damaged.

But as you investigate the site, no debris, no artifacts.

If it's a physical object, you're going to get artifacts, you're going to get debris.

Here you get nothing.

And the other thing we notice is that people have close encounters with these non physical but real entities.

It's always harmful.

The best they come away with is recurring terrifying nightmares.

Worst case scenario, they get killed by the encounter.

So there really is evil supernatural beings out there.

And you know, we were just joking before we know these beings are there because look at how Much crazy the world's politics is.

I mean, if it wasn't for interference like you see the Book of Daniel, politics would be a whole lot more rational.

So don't get too overwrought by politics.

There really is a supernatural battle going on.

And guess what?

We're part of that battle.

Absolutely.

Now, just as a quick tag to that, I believe that also you've observed that there is in cultures where there's an obsession with maybe witchcraft or the supernatural, there seems to be a disproportionate number of UFO reports.

And so there's kind of an overlay between the culture.

Culture's obsession with witchcraft and their observations of UFOs.

Right.

There's something there.

I spoke on this to scientists in the Soviet Union when it was run by the Communists, and that was a time when their major research institutions were sponsoring occult physics.

And so I'd be speaking to scientists where as many as 20% of them, you could tell, were possessed by demons.

I went back in 1994 when the Communists were no longer running the show.

That percentage had dropped.

That's because they were no longer sponsoring occult physics research.

It was still there, but it was nothing like it was during the late 1980s.

You can see that equatorial Brazil, the percentage is way higher.

That's because people are practicing the occult to a much higher degree.

And when I'm sharing this book, close all the doors of the occult, that'll be the end of these UAP encounters that you have.

This is a testable hypothesis.

You know, get rid of the occult.

It won't happen.

Bring the occult in your life.

It will happen.

Wow.

So good.

Okay, so I see the questions building up.

There's a very high likelihood we're not going to be able to get to all the questions.

But let's take a few more.

Just step forward to say it loudly, and then I'll repeat it.

Hi, I'm Crystal.

Guys, I'm very grateful for this evening so far.

I wanted to ask, from your work studying God's creation, how do you understand or articulate what happens after someone passes?

Oh, okay.

So you have not watched our YouTube interview.

That was.

But you should, because he gave a brilliant answer.

But I think it was a. I was gonna ask that question tonight again because selfishly, when I had him on my channel, that was my own question.

Like, how does Dr. Hugh Ross answer the question of what happens when we die?

And I love your response, but let's.

So what happens when we die?

Well, first of all, it tells us in ECCLESIASTES God has written eternity on the heart of every human being.

We all know deep down that when we pass from this life, we don't cease existing.

That's why people fear death.

They fear judgment, because they know that's not the end of everything.

And, you know, when my dad was passing away, he said, son, please tell me what it's like to die, because I'm going to be facing that in a few days.

I said, well, dad, because you're a follower of Jesus Christ, what you're going to notice a few days before you pass, you're going to start feeling confused.

That's because your body is shutting down your organs.

And then about a day or two before you pass, you're going to think you're going to recover because the body basically stops trying to support all the internal.

You feel warm, you feel wonderful.

That's a sign that's going to happen really soon.

And you know it's going to be within minutes.

When you hear your name being called and Jesus is wanting to give you a personal escort across this life to the next life.

And, you know, so if you're a follower of Jesus Christ, you won't die alone.

Jesus will meet you and take you across that threshold.

And when you hear your name being called, you know that's the time.

So.

Amazing, Amazing.

Thank you for that.

By the way, King David said it first.

It's in Psalm 23.

Yeah.

Yea, though I walk through the threshold of death, he will take me.

He will guide me by the hand.

Indeed he does.

Oh, that's so beautiful.

Every time.

Thank you so much.

Next.

Thank you so much for that question.

My name is Eileen.

Quickly, quick question.

What parallels do you draw between Noah's generation and the world we live in today?

And how can the story of the ark encourage Christians to stand firm in their faith and righteousness?

Okay, I love that question.

That's a leading question we call because you're framing it, but that's.

I also was kind of like speaking towards that because there's a lot of conversations about Noah's generation being paralleled with the generation that we're in now.

Do you see any similarities between them?

And what would be your warning to Christians or what would be your advice to Christians?

Well, I take a more optimistic view because Jesus said he would return when we take the good news of salvation to all the people groups of the world.

And we're now living at a time when the gospel literally is going worldwide to all the people groups telling us, I think the time is close.

But the Bible also tells us when you see huge numbers of people coming to faith in Jesus Christ and all the people groups of the world, that'll be the same time when you'll see evil rising to a degree you've never seen before.

So there's going to be a real stark difference between evil and good.

And I think we're seeing exponential signs.

We're entering into that time.

But, you know, I don't think we're to wait for the return of the Lord.

He's basically said this, I'm coming back when you followers of Jesus Christ complete the task.

So.

And I had Ralph Winter in my class that I teach in the Pasadena area, and he wrote a book basically saying that evangelical Christians today have the finances, they got the technology, they got the people to fulfill the Great Commission in less than 10 years.

In fact, he said at one point, they can do it in five years.

All we lack is the motivation.

But as I look at our llu, I see a lot of motivation.

I think we can get it done.

If we can do it in Manhattan, we can do it worldwide.

Right?

Come on.

That's right.

Do we make Dr. Hugh Ross like, an honorary Manhattan pastor tonight?

Like, can do.

I just give him, like, an honorary ordination tonight.

He's the V1 Church family.

We're adopting him.

But, you know, we're at the crossroads of the world, and you guys know this.

We were just given the opportunity to do Easter Sunday in Times Square, and I believe that that is gonna be a sign of witness to the world, because even this room, look at all of the cultures, look at all the heritages that are coming together, and we're finding our identity in Jesus Christ.

And so I believe that tonight even is symbolic of reaching the world quite literally.

And so thank you for that.

Let's do two more.

Okay.

And then we're gonna pray.

Hi, everybody.

My name is Alvin, and it's my first time visiting here, and I thank you all.

Welcome, Alvin.

So I wrote down the question so I could be brief with this, but when I was a child, I worked real hard cleaning someone's yard out so I can make enough money to see the movie In Search of Noah's Ark.

So it just brings out curiosity to think your information.

Have you ever looked into that particular movie in terms of it being launched somewhere in Russia, I believe, and politics got in the way, and there's no way of really getting to it physically.

Can you add to that?

Okay, so I think the question that you're asking is, have we found the literal vestiges of Noah's Ark.

And that film kind of talks about that, that it is.

It could potentially be seen.

And also, how compatible is the information.

That you're presenting today to what we had decades ago?

Yeah, hey, it's all in chapter 14 of this book.

But I'll try to be brief in the sense that the Bible tells us.

The ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

Not Mount Ararat.

The mountains of Ararat covers about a hundred thousand square miles.

I believe it came to rest in the mountains of Ararat just north of Nineveh.

And, hey, it was made out of gopher wood, which has a higher strength index than acacia wood.

There's no way the people post flood would have left that wood lying around.

It would have been way too valuable.

They would have taken the Noah's Ark apart and used it to build cities like Nineveh.

You say, well, let's go to Nineveh and find it.

Here's the problem.

Nineveh was burnt to the ground several times.

The best we're going to do is find the ashes of the wood of Noah's Ark.

So.

And yeah, there's stories are running around that there's this structure near Mount Ararat that looks just like the size of Mount Ararat.

It's a geological incline.

And you see them all over mountain, alpine regions.

And, hey, my wife and I, we love mountaineering, we do it every summer.

And I've seen many inclines here in North America that are closer to representing Noah's Ark than the one they're talking about in Russia and Armenia.

So it's a geological incline.

It's not the remains of Noah's Ark.

There's another story where they said they found a piece of wood about that big that they thought was the remains of Noah's Ark.

While it was a softwood.

A softwood wouldn't have been strong enough for Noah's Ark.

But they did date it, and they said the date is right, 5,500 years, which is what a lot of people think Noah's Ark happened, but they didn't look at the error bar.

It was 5,500 years plus or minus 5,000 years.

So really, you can't say.

I believe it's wood left over from a climbing hut.

Again, if you're not familiar with climbing glaciated peaks, the only way you're going to get up there safely and back down, you build a hut just underneath the highest glacier.

You stay there, then you climb it early in the morning you get back down before the ice starts melting.

And so the ancients knew that's the way you climb high glaciated peaks.

I don't think the remains of Noah's ark will ever be found, because Noah's ark was taken apart and used to build the cities of the plain we see described in Genesis, chapter 11.

Oh, so good.

Pastor Matt, I'd love to gift this book to that gentleman that asked that question.

I'd love.

So I'm assigning you chapter 14 and you have one week.

And I want Turabian formatting for your paper.

I think the book's going to be better than the movie.

I'm just saying.

But excellent question.

And.

And.

Okay, did I say one more?

Okay, go ahead.

How do you explain dinosaurs?

Yes.

Okay, okay, hold on, hold on.

I would like to gift you a book for giving me a viral video, because I was going to ask that question, so I'm going to restate it for the cameras.

How?

Dr. Hugh Ross, you only have till midnight.

So, Dr. Hugh Ross, how do you explain dinosaurs?

Well, if you go to our YouTube channel, you'll see two quick clips that do that for you, but I'll be brief.

Okay.

The Bible doesn't mention dinosaurs.

It doesn't mention neutrinos either, because it uses vocabulary that all generations will understand.

The Bible was written for all generations, and we only discovered dinosaurs in the 1850s.

So I would expect the Bible to be silent on it now.

Where do they fit?

They fit on creation day five between God creating the first sea animals and God creating birds and sea mammals.

Somewhere between those two is when God created the dinosaurs.

Where do they best fit in?

In Scripture, Psalm 104.

Psalm 104 is the longest of the creation psalms and basically says God packs our planet with as much life as possible and as diverse as possible so that we humans will have all the biodeposits we need to launch our civilization.

And so when conditions are appropriate for God to create these really huge land animals, he will create them because he's committed greatest diversity possible.

But you only have really big land animals when you've got vast shallow seas.

And this happened all over North America, South America, Australia, Asia and Europe during three episodes where you had these huge shallow seas.

Now, without shallow seas, the biggest land animal you can have is the size of an elephant.

Anything bigger than that will be catastrophically destroyed by the law of gravity.

I mean, notice in the NBA, the taller the basketball player, the more likely they are to be injured because they have longer distance to fall when they trip.

Same thing's true of these animals.

But if you've got shallow seas, the water provides the necessary buoyancy that you can have a land Animal that weighs 80 tons and is 50ft tall and therefore won't injure itself.

So when you see Jurassic park movies where it shows this T. Rex running after a jeep at about 40 miles an hour, that can't happen.

There's no way an animal that big would be able to run that fast and not do itself serious damage because of the law of gravity.

So that T. Rex was basically hunting big dinosaurs in shallow seas where the water provides the necessary buoyancy support.

And so when did that happen?

Well, it happened between 230 and 66 million years ago.

That's when you had these vast shallow seas.

And that's when said, okay, we got vast shallow seas.

God created the diversity of animals to take advantage of the shallow seas.

And because of God doing this, packing the planet with as much life as possible and as diverse as possible.

Look at all the coal, the oil, the natural gas, the limestone, the marble that we have.

And if it wasn't for all those generations of life preceding us and getting buried, we wouldn't be able to launch this global high tech civilization that enables us to take the gospel to the ends of the earth.

So God had it all in mind that we'd be fulfilling the Great Commission when he created the dinosaurs.

Amazing.

Amazing.

You didn't think you were going to get the Great Commission with that question.

So now what's your excuse, son?

But yeah.