The Demonic Economy: Why Jesus Cast Out the Pigs

This podcast episode explores the powerful narrative found in Mark chapter five, where Jesus confronts the demonic forces by casting them into a herd of pigs. We delve into the significance of this event, emphasizing that it is not merely a dramatic story but a profound clash of kingdoms, where Jesus steps into enemy territory to demonstrate His authority over darkness. Through the lens of the man possessed by demons, we examine how isolation, dehumanization, and torment manifest as tools of the demonic in our lives today. The episode also addresses the theological implications of Jesus allowing the demons to enter the pigs, revealing His intent to expose the destructive nature of evil. Ultimately, we reflect on the call to discern and confront the spiritual battles in our own lives and communities, highlighting the transformative power of deliverance.
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00:53 - The Clash of Kingdoms
02:49 - The Encounter with the Unclean Spirit
05:34 - The Nature of Demonic Oppression
10:38 - The Nature of Demons and Their Cravings
14:42 - The Cost of Deliverance
16:28 - The Economy of Darkness and Deliverance
So I'm standing on the eastern side of the Sea of Galilee at the place long remembered as the setting of one of the most dramatic confrontations in all of the Gospels.
Speaker AThis is the very place where Jesus drove demons out of a man and into a herd of pigs that then jumped off of this very cliff into the water.
Speaker AAnd I need you to feel this and see this with fresh eyes because this is not a random story about some like, you know, crazy spiritual experience.
Speaker AThis is actually a courtroom, right?
Speaker AThis is a clash of kingdoms.
Speaker AThis is Jesus stepping onto enemy ground on purpose, showing us exactly how the demonic works, what its goal is, and what happens when the Son of God meets a human life that's been turned into a battlefield.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker ASo when you open your Bibles to mark chapter five, verses one through 20, you're going to see something.
Speaker AAnd I want to weave in Luke chapter eight and Matthew chapter eight as we go.
Speaker ASo I want you to follow along.
Speaker ASo I'm going to answer the question, why did he cast the demons into the pigs?
Speaker AOkay, so Mark chapter five, verse one begins like this.
Speaker AThey basically came to the other side of the sea, to the country of come on the other side here.
Speaker ASo if you were a first century Jew and you were hearing this, you would immediately understand what this means.
Speaker AIt would make sense to you.
Speaker AJesus is leaving the familiar Jewish side and stepping into the region associated with the Decapolis, a gentile heavy area, basically.
Speaker AAnd you can, you can already feel it in the details.
Speaker ASo here's what we have described.
Speaker AThere's tombs, there's death and uncleanliness, pigs, unclean animals.
Speaker AUnder the Jewish law, a man living among the dead, okay?
Speaker ASpiritual violence, even social exile.
Speaker AThese are all the, the details that we get about this situation.
Speaker AIt's a deliberate movement to come to this other side.
Speaker AJesus is not just preaching sermons in safe places.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AThat'll preach to somebody.
Speaker AHe's crossing boundaries to prove something.
Speaker AAnd so the kingdom of God is not a social club.
Speaker AIt's an invading reign of a kingdom.
Speaker AIt's not intimidated by darkness.
Speaker AIt's light that goes into the very darkness.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AAnd so this is, this is just setting the scene for what happened.
Speaker ASo if you look now at Mark, Mark says, and when Jesus had stepped out of the boat, so just look at the waters, and immediately there met him out of the tombs, a man with an unclean spirit.
Speaker ASo let's talk about this phrase, unclean spirit.
Speaker ASo in the New Testament, basically, demons are described as unclean.
Speaker AYou'll see that Phrase, because they defile and they degrade what God wants to make holy.
Speaker AThey don't create, they corrupt, they don't build, they break down.
Speaker AAnd so the man, he's basically living in the tombs here.
Speaker AAnd you'll see this obsession with death, this is not just creepy, it's theological.
Speaker ASo in Israel's story, death is not neutral.
Speaker ADeath is actually the sign of the curse and a life that's fractured and separated from God.
Speaker ASo this man is living.
Speaker AWe're human.
Speaker AThey're not meant to live.
Speaker AHe's surrounded by the symbol of separation, exile and even decay.
Speaker AAnd then Mark goes a step further and he adds a detail.
Speaker AIt says he lived among the tombs and no one could bind him, anyone, not, not even with a chain.
Speaker AAnd he had been bound with shackles and chains.
Speaker ABut listen, he literally wrenched the chains apart and no one had the strength to subdue him.
Speaker AWe know that this is demonic influence, right?
Speaker AThen it goes on to say, night and day, among the tombs and on the mountains, he was always crying out and he was even cutting himself with stones.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker ADemons are still enacting this same behavior today.
Speaker AIt's a pattern that we see in scripture.
Speaker AIsolation, Demons drive you away from people, away from your family, away from community.
Speaker AThen you see dehumanization.
Speaker AHe's not treated like a man.
Speaker AHe's.
Speaker AHe's treated like a problem that they need to restrain.
Speaker ACome on, we're seeing this in society today.
Speaker AWe also see torment.
Speaker ANot just bad habits, but inner torture, night and day.
Speaker AThen you see the cutting, the self destruction.
Speaker AHe's literally cutting himself.
Speaker AThe demon does not stop at oppression.
Speaker AHe's actually moving towards death.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AThis is the pattern that you see.
Speaker ABut Jesus says in John, chapter 10, verse 10, the thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
Speaker ACome on, that's not poetic, it's diagnostic.
Speaker AIf you want to discern spiritual warfare, I want you to watch for the fruit.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AThe fruit that is discernible.
Speaker AWhat does it isolate?
Speaker ADoes it degrade someone's identity?
Speaker ADoes it torment and does it push towards self destruction?
Speaker AThat's the smell, the aroma of the demonic.
Speaker AThat's the visible, outward manifestations of the demonic.
Speaker AAnd you need to increase in your discernment.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AI'm going to get to this question about the pigs, but we're going to kind of move through the Scriptures.
Speaker AIn Mark, chapter five, verse six, it says, and when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and he fell down before him.
Speaker ANotice the contradiction.
Speaker AHe falls down before him, yet he's not totally worshiping.
Speaker AThis is not real surrender.
Speaker AIt's actually forced recognition.
Speaker AAnd when.
Speaker AWhen the Spirit speaks, this is what the demon says.
Speaker AWhat have you to do with me?
Speaker AJ, Son of the most High God, I adjure you by God, do not torment me.
Speaker ASo Matthew's account actually adds another line to that.
Speaker AHave you come here to torment us before the time?
Speaker ANotice the plural us.
Speaker AThat's loaded.
Speaker ADemons have theology.
Speaker AThey know that there is a future judgment.
Speaker ADo you know there's a future judgment?
Speaker AThey know that there is an appointed time.
Speaker ADo you know there's an appointed time?
Speaker AThey know that Jesus is the righteous judge.
Speaker AJames, chapter 2, verse 19 says, Even the demons believe and they shudder.
Speaker ASo here's something that you need to hear right now, okay?
Speaker ACorrect spiritual language, it does not equal a surrendered heart.
Speaker AThese are people that they talk right, but they don't live right?
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AThe demons call him son of the most High God, and yet they still resist him.
Speaker AThere's something really important in all this.
Speaker ANow, as the story continues, basically Jesus asks, and this is Luke, chapter eight, what's your name?
Speaker ASo he.
Speaker AHe asked that question.
Speaker AAnd this is the reply that Jesus gets back.
Speaker ALegion, for we are many.
Speaker AOr in other words, many demons have entered him.
Speaker ANow, a legion is a Roman military term that means thousands.
Speaker ABut whether it's literal, whether like a literal quantity or a terrifying way of saying, hey, we are many, there's a lot of us.
Speaker AThe point is clear.
Speaker AThis is not a small problem.
Speaker AThis man is.
Speaker AIs occupied territory.
Speaker ASo I want you to notice this.
Speaker AThe demonic loves collectives.
Speaker AThey them, us.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker ALoves collectives.
Speaker AAnd God makes a person into a self, into an integrated identity.
Speaker ASo demons, they fragment the self.
Speaker AThey multiply the voices, multiple personalities, they fracture your will.
Speaker AThey turn a human being into, like an internal civil war demonically.
Speaker AAnd that's why later, even after this deliverance, Mark says that the man is quote, unquote, sitting there clothed and in his right mind.
Speaker ASo deliverance is not merely, hey, a demon left me.
Speaker ADeliverance is actually a human being come, becoming whole again.
Speaker AAnd that's what God wants to do, is make you whole again.
Speaker AIf you're watching this right now, because demons will fragment you.
Speaker AAnd we see this now in Luke chapter 8.
Speaker ALuke chapter 8 says they begged him not to command them to depart into the abyss.
Speaker AAnd many of you don't understand what that is.
Speaker AAnd so the abyss is not just the ocean, right?
Speaker AThis is actually something else.
Speaker AYou.
Speaker AIn Jewish apocalyptic thought and New Testament language, the abyss is basically a Place of confinement for evil spirits.
Speaker AAn image of restraint, judgment, and even, like, incarceration.
Speaker ASo basically, the demons are saying, in essence, hey, don't imprison us, don't confine us, don't restrict our operation.
Speaker AThink that's really good information.
Speaker AThey're not.
Speaker AThey're basically terrified by limitation because this is what demons really crave.
Speaker AThey crave, crave access, they crave embodiment, and they crave expression through that body.
Speaker AThis is why the story begins now to move to pigs.
Speaker ACome on, we're getting there.
Speaker AAnd you're learning a lot about the nature of demons and how demons operate because God's raising you up as a spiritual warrior.
Speaker AOkay, now, Mark, let's go back to Mark.
Speaker AHe says, now, a great herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside just over my shoulder here.
Speaker AAnd they begged him, saying, hey, send us to the pigs.
Speaker ALet us enter them.
Speaker ANow, first, remember where we are.
Speaker AThis is actually in the ancient world, a gentile region, and pigs are part of the economy.
Speaker AThink about it.
Speaker ASecond, pigs are unclean under Leviticus.
Speaker AThat doesn't mean that gentiles are less than.
Speaker ASo don't hear me wrong.
Speaker AIt just means that Israel's holiness laws were symbols teaching Israel that God is holy and impurity spreads.
Speaker AAnd here is what's happening spiritually now.
Speaker AThe demons are trying to negotiate a transfer.
Speaker AIt's a good way of thinking about this.
Speaker AThey're being expelled from the man, and they want into another host.
Speaker AOkay, they want into another host because the demonic does not want to be disembodied and restricted.
Speaker ASo Jesus permits it.
Speaker AAnd this is where a lot of people get confused.
Speaker AAnd people are asking, well, why would Jesus allow that?
Speaker AWhy not send them to the spiritual abyss?
Speaker ABut here's a rich theological answer.
Speaker AJesus is not collaborating with evil.
Speaker AHe's actually exposing it.
Speaker AIf the demon simply left invisibly, the town could dismiss this miracle as like, oh, it's just some psychological trick that he did.
Speaker ABut when the herd literally rushes into the sea and drowns, the.
Speaker AThe invisible becomes visible and the town now sees this public of Christ's authority and power.
Speaker AThis was not therapy.
Speaker AThis was not suggestion.
Speaker AThis was real deliverance also.
Speaker ANow watch this.
Speaker AJesus is revealing the true nature of the demonic as well.
Speaker ASo in wisdom, he did this.
Speaker AWhen demons enter the pigs, they immediately drive them to their destruction.
Speaker AThere was no delay.
Speaker AAnd again, In John, chapter 10, verse 10, I quoted it already, the demonic does not coexist peacefully.
Speaker AIt consumes and immediately destroys.
Speaker ASo you're seeing this Come on.
Speaker AI want to go even deeper, though.
Speaker ASo Mark says that the pigs, this is the quotes, they rush down the steep bank into the sea.
Speaker AI'm standing right at the precipice of this.
Speaker AThis steep cliff here.
Speaker AAnd do you remember Israel's story in Exodus?
Speaker AThe oppressive power of Egypt is swallowed by the sea as Israel goes free.
Speaker AThe sea, in biblical imagination represents chaos, represents a threat and powers even beyond human controls, just like the Red Sea.
Speaker AAnd here, as Jesus delivers a man from a legion, thousands of unclean animals plunge into the waters.
Speaker AA mass of them, we don't know how many.
Speaker AThis is not random.
Speaker AIt's like a living, visible parable.
Speaker AJesus is the new Moses.
Speaker AThe final Moses is reenacting liberation.
Speaker AAnother Exodus, another captivity, broken, tyrant, drowned.
Speaker ABut this time it's not Pharaoh, it's the demons.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AI'm getting a little excited up here because I just.
Speaker AI feel the power of God in this mark.
Speaker AChapter 4, verse 14 says that the herdsmen literally ran and told it, and then the people came and saw, which kind of confirms this theory.
Speaker AIt says the demon possessed man, clothed, and in his right mind they saw him and they were afraid.
Speaker AWatch this.
Speaker AThen they began to beg Jesus to depart from their region.
Speaker AThey told Jesus, you got to leave.
Speaker AThis is one of the most sobering verses, I think, in the entire New Testament.
Speaker AThey would rather have a demonized man in chains than a delivered man and a disrupted economy because they lost their pigs.
Speaker ANow we know what the real God is.
Speaker AMoney.
Speaker ABecause deliverance is expensive to the systems that profit from bondage.
Speaker AAh, come on.
Speaker ASometimes people don't hate Jesus because.
Speaker ABecause he's cruel.
Speaker AThey hate him because he's free.
Speaker AThink about what I'm saying.
Speaker AAnd freedom threatens the local order when it's dependent on monetizing people's pain through addiction and bondage.
Speaker AI mean, what Jesus does next is literally genius, though, and I need you to catch this.
Speaker AThe man begs to go with Jesus.
Speaker AMark says, hey, he did not permit him, but said to him, go home to your friends and tell them how much the Lord has done for you and he has had mercy upon you.
Speaker AThis is, like, absolutely stunning, like, mind blowing, to be honest with you.
Speaker AJesus makes a delivered man.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AThis is what he does.
Speaker AHe makes a delivered man.
Speaker AThe evangelist.
Speaker AHey, they don't want me in this town.
Speaker AYou go tell everybody.
Speaker AListen, I'm just going to end it like this.
Speaker AAnd I think I've unlocked the mystery of the question.
Speaker AWhy did he cast the demons into pigs right here?
Speaker AI mean, geography doesn't lie.
Speaker AThis is the only spot that works for the story.
Speaker AI'm standing in it right now.
Speaker ABut I want you to think about this.
Speaker AThink about your town.
Speaker AThink about your city.
Speaker AThink about the way that they profit off of your addiction.
Speaker AThey think about the stores that sell the illicit drugs and alcohol.
Speaker AThink about the strip clubs.
Speaker AThink about all the places you can go.
Speaker AThink about.
Speaker ASee, what happens is there's a whole economy of darkness, a whole demonic economy.
Speaker AAnd here's one of the things Deliverance does.
Speaker ADeliverance directly confronts the demonic.
Speaker AAnd when it removes the demonic, it breaks that economy.
Speaker ASee, wouldn't it be incredible if right there where you live, businesses started shutting down because there's no longer a demand to get drunk, to get high, to gamble your life away, to go.
Speaker ATo go into sexual perversion?
Speaker AWouldn't it be amazing if you started seeing so much deliverance where you live that they started shutting down all those places because you're breaking the economy?
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker AThat's.
Speaker ACome on.
Speaker AConnected to this.
Speaker ALet me, let me pray for you right now, actually, because I believe that God is even moving in your heart right now.
Speaker AFather, I thank you that you are still a deliverer.
Speaker AYou are still breaking the chains of darkness and setting the captives free.
Speaker AAnd heavenly Father, I thank that we are going to confront the works of darkness and we're going to see these places shut their doors as we disrupt and disturb an economy that's connected to it.
Speaker AAnd Father, I thank you that you are the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Speaker AAnd if you did it, then we say together around the world, do it again.
Speaker AIn Jesus name, amen.