Why They Left Witchcraft and LGBT+ Communities | Feat. Richard Matthews, Angela Scafidi, and Naela Rose
In one of the most raw and revealing conversations to date, Pastor Mike Signorelli sits down with Richard Matthews, Angela Scafidi, and Naela Rose—three bold voices who walked away from the New Age, witchcraft, and the LGBTQ lifestyle to follow Jesus Christ.
These aren't just stories of leaving something behind. They're testimonies of radical transformation, deliverance, and identity restored through the power of the Gospel.
What happens when:
- A blood witch encounters the blood of Jesus?
- A New Age guru surrenders to the true God?
- Someone who thought they knew who they were hears their Father say, “This is my beloved child in whom I am well pleased”?
🔥 You’re about to hear first-hand accounts of demonic deception, spiritual warfare, and the unmatched love of the Father that breaks every chain.
- Why witchcraft works—and why it ultimately enslaves you
- How blood rituals are a counterfeit of the cross
- Why the New Age movement and LGBT ideology both sell false identities
- What it means to truly inherit your identity through Christ, not invent one
- How joy, freedom, and peace follow surrender to Jesus
💥 These are not just stories—they’re spiritual warfare blueprints and proof of revival in a generation desperate for truth.
👇 Subscribe to their channels below!
- Richard’s Channel @richwithpassion
- Angela’s Channel @heavenandhealingpodcast
- Naela’s Channel @naelarose
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Speaker AWe are going to be talking about blood covenants, witchcraft, I mean, sexuality.
Speaker AI don't know what we're going to get into, but I've got some really incredible friends here.
Speaker AWould you all be willing to go around and give an introduction?
Speaker AYou want to start?
Speaker BI'll start.
Speaker BHi, guys.
Speaker BThat's not my camera.
Speaker BLove that.
Speaker BFor me, I'm Richard, AKA Richie Rich.
Speaker BRg, rj.
Speaker BAll the things.
Speaker BSon of God redeemed by the blood of the lamb.
Speaker BAnd I have a YouTube channel podcast called Redemption and came out of the lifestyle denouncing LGBTQ and all the things.
Speaker BAnd I'm married to Jesus.
Speaker BAnd that's it.
Speaker CPraise God.
Speaker BI'll toss it over to you, Angela.
Speaker DOkay, great.
Speaker DThe holy baton.
Speaker DI'm Angela Scafidi, host of Heaven and Healing podcast.
Speaker DYou can find that on YouTube.
Speaker DI am an ex New Ager now, a daughter of the most high king, period.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker APeriod.
Speaker CI love how professional we all are.
Speaker CCamera one, I'm Nayla Rose.
Speaker CI'm an ex blood witch and I was saved and redeemed by Jesus.
Speaker CI had a radical encounter with him face to face.
Speaker CHe transformed me and I am a born again child of God.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker AThere's so much joy.
Speaker AYou know, it's not happiness because the world has happiness, but I just.
Speaker AThere's joy.
Speaker AYou do too?
Speaker DYeah.
Speaker DI'm always like, no, happiness is candy floss.
Speaker DIt's like the counterfeit of joy because happiness is this and then joy is forever.
Speaker AYeah, that's it.
Speaker CI would say, like, happiness is synthetic, you know, like, there's a lot of enjoyment and synthetic things like that candy floss stuff.
Speaker CLike synthetic clothes are fine, but it's not the real thing.
Speaker CLike, you have something that's authentic, organic.
Speaker CIt has, like, depth and quality and power, and it's just.
Speaker AYeah, I feel that.
Speaker BIt's like what they said in acts when Peter and them, after they got dosed with the Holy Spirit, they were like, oh, you're drunk.
Speaker BAnd you're like, I'm not drunk.
Speaker BI have the Holy Spirit.
Speaker BImagine me being drunk.
Speaker BCrazy, you know, imagine being on crazy.
Speaker ABecause, like, you each individually have your own lives with your own difficulties, but there's such a joy that came out of you.
Speaker AAnd, you know, just you.
Speaker AYou kind of started with your story and we ended with you.
Speaker AAnd you.
Speaker AYou literally said just.
Speaker AAnd I like how she said it was my ex blood witch.
Speaker AAnd like, you.
Speaker AYou, like, smiled through it.
Speaker ABut God, God has done Something so special in your life.
Speaker AAnd I feel like me and you getting together was a long time coming as well.
Speaker AWould you mind sharing a little bit more in depth about that?
Speaker ABecause I want to.
Speaker AI want to talk about it.
Speaker CYeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker CIt's really incredible.
Speaker CI mean, we were all about how you get such a revelation of what God redeemed you from.
Speaker CHe is the God of redemption.
Speaker CWhatever you were in, he.
Speaker CHe just transforms and then redeems that curse story.
Speaker CAnd so for me, I was a blood witch.
Speaker CAnd I can say that with a smile now because I'm just overflowing with joy and gratitude that he saved me out of that.
Speaker CBut I didn't realize exactly how dark and demonic what I was doing was.
Speaker CBut essentially, I was obsessed with blood.
Speaker CI mean, I was doing witchcraft and magic and spells with blood daily.
Speaker CAnd that was.
Speaker CAnd because I was so obsessed with blood and the power of the blood, because there is power in the blood.
Speaker CI was using the power that God put in blood.
Speaker CLike God says that the.
Speaker CThe power of the flesh, the life of the flesh is in the blood.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CSo I utilized that power like the devil hijacks the power of God all the time to try and pervert it, distort it.
Speaker CAnd I became powerful.
Speaker CI could manifest anything I wanted.
Speaker CI manifest my relationship with my ex, I manifest my house.
Speaker CI manifested the money I wanted, all using blood spells, like very basic, classic, traditional witchcraft.
Speaker CBut I went really deep, and Jesus saved me from that and gave me a profoundly deep revelation of the blood of Jesus, because that is the true power.
Speaker CThere is nothing more powerful than the blood of Christ.
Speaker CBut you can do, like, low kind of crime.
Speaker CIf you work with the devil in blood, you can still make things happen, but of course you pay with your soul.
Speaker CAnd so when Jesus saved me, he gave me such a profound revelation of the blood of Jesus because I had been so obsessed with blood in the occult.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker AI don't know if I know this, but how did you find out about that?
Speaker AYou know what I mean?
Speaker AWas it just things you were exposed to on the Internet?
Speaker CHow did I find out about blood magic?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker COh, my goodness.
Speaker CI mean, I was raised in the occult, so I was born and raised in the occult, and everyone I knew and grew up with was a witch.
Speaker CAll of my.
Speaker CMy, like, peers and all of my friends, parents.
Speaker CMy own mother is a Reiki practitioner.
Speaker CAnd so I grew up in this bubble where I was not exposed to the Gospel.
Speaker CI never heard about Jesus.
Speaker CI never heard about anything to do with Christianity, never Seen a Bible in my life, like, just totally enclosed in occultism.
Speaker CSo I didn't really have to sort of find out about these things.
Speaker CThis was part of my childhood.
Speaker CI was always involved in ritualistic magic, elemental magic.
Speaker CFrom a young age, I started using fire, wind, water, earth to do elemental magic, which is just a very simplistic and ancient way to open the spiritual realm.
Speaker CThe Native Americans used to do that.
Speaker CI mean, they still do, I guess.
Speaker CYou can use elements of God's creation to open portals into the spirit realm.
Speaker CSo because that was my foundation.
Speaker CI'd been doing that since I could remember when it came to the blood.
Speaker CLike a revelation of how there's a demonic revelation, a counterfeit revelation of the blood in the New Age, which is we were both exposed to, which is based around womb magic and the Goddess worship that we see in the occult.
Speaker CSo the idea is that a woman's womb creates life.
Speaker CIt's a portal, and therefore there's power in that.
Speaker CSo while that is partly true, the Devil always gives you 90% truth, 10% lie.
Speaker CLike that is true.
Speaker CGod has chosen to use a woman's womb as a portal for human life.
Speaker CHe a soul from heaven into a woman's womb, and then she births.
Speaker CI mean, it is a portal, so there's truth in it.
Speaker CBut what the Devil's done is he's had women in the New Age, like me, become obsessed with the creative power within the blood of a woman's menstruation.
Speaker CSo menstrual blood.
Speaker CAnd so there's a whole movement called womb work and womb wisdom in the New Age, where women like me and Angela, who were yoga teachers and who worshiped the Goddess and the creation and the stars and, you know, just misplaced worship and devot.
Speaker CThe devil has used that to make these women obsessed with blood.
Speaker CSo we use our blood, or I used my blood to literally open a portal into the spirit realm.
Speaker CI used to do lots of different things, but the main thing I would do is actually cover my whole body and my blood, anoint my house with my blood.
Speaker CI would feed my blood to my plants.
Speaker CI would, like, write out a spell and then cover the page in my blood, like writing in my blood, anointing papers with my blood.
Speaker CI would also dry my blood into discs and then burn it as a burnt offering.
Speaker CThe altar that I had in my room.
Speaker CAnd I would make sacrifices to idols, to pagan deities, Hindu deities, and I would always get whatever I prayed for because there's power in the blood.
Speaker CI did love spells.
Speaker CI Mean, it's an offering.
Speaker CIt's a burnt offering and a blood offering.
Speaker CSo it's like.
Speaker CYeah, I got into it just by being raised up in a culture of worshiping the creation and worshiping the self and wanting to ascend and become awakened through your own spiritual endeavors without Jesus.
Speaker DWow.
Speaker DCan I.
Speaker DThis is the first time I've made this connection about, seriously, this is revelation.
Speaker DThis is revelation.
Speaker DIt's been happening all time, real time revelation.
Speaker DSo I was thinking about how in our, like, with the moon stuff that I was really into with the astrology and I had like these full moon and new moon rituals, there was like that encouragement, like you can like collect your menstrual blood in like a little vial and you can put it in the ground, in the earth, underneath the moon.
Speaker DAnd I was thinking about all the stuff I used to do, like ritualistically, never did that.
Speaker DPraise the Lord.
Speaker DHowever, something I used to do because you just said it's an offering, not just blood, but with fire.
Speaker DSo with those how I told you in our interview with the full moon, it was always about release.
Speaker DWe would literally write things on paper and then burn it in the middle of our moon circle.
Speaker DAnd I'm thinking to myself, wow, I'm literally writing, I release my depression and I'm giving it to the devil.
Speaker DI'm literally burning, burning the release of my depression to Satan.
Speaker DAnd then guess what he did with it made me more depressed.
Speaker DAnd I came into agreement with those spirits of depression and anxiety and they actually consumed me.
Speaker CYeah, because there's real.
Speaker CYou see how the devil always distorts what God has made.
Speaker CSo God instituted sacrifice for sin.
Speaker CWe see in the Old Testament, the wages of sin is death.
Speaker CThey had to make burnt offerings and blood offerings for sin.
Speaker CSo that's part of his righteous law to deal with sin.
Speaker CThat's how he dealt with it.
Speaker CSo the devil's like, great, let's pervert that.
Speaker CLet's take that ritual of burning and blood and let's have you make all these sacrifices to demons, to deities.
Speaker DGive it to me.
Speaker DI have my way.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd like we said earlier, you know, me and Angela were talking about this.
Speaker CHe gave me a revelation when I got saved of the counterfeit element of how the devil works.
Speaker CHe counterfeits everything God creates.
Speaker CAnd so he's trying to counterfeit the cross with that.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CThe cross is the perfect sacrifice of the spotless, blameless lamb of Jesus, his pure blood.
Speaker CAnd so the devil wants to counterfeit so he will use innocent blood.
Speaker CThat's why every Satanist and different levels of the occult, whether it's Freemasonry or Jesuit stuff, they all make sacrifices using children's blood because it's innocent blood to counterfeit pure blood.
Speaker AAnd this isn't conspiracy theory.
Speaker CNo, this is real.
Speaker AThis is established, like well known, established facts.
Speaker AI've talked to people in medical communities in multiple nations, confirm what you said.
Speaker ASo it's like we take the blood of a child and then obviously portion is a big part of witchcraft as well connected to the womb.
Speaker AAnd so you have like the Virgin Mary conceives of Jesus as the Holy Spirit overshadows her, right?
Speaker ABut then the demonic version of that is like portion.
Speaker AAnd you see that.
Speaker CAnd that's a huge part of my story.
Speaker CMy first official blood sacrifice to the devil was an abortion when I was 19 years old.
Speaker CAnd that opened a door in my life that meant that now I would be exposed to those spirits, those demons that encouraged me to become obsessed with blood ritual and blood sacrifice and blood magic.
Speaker CAnd I just graduated through the years to like full blown blood magic where I was literally just writing spells and manifesting my own reality, as they say in New Age, through, through my blood.
Speaker AAnd it seemed worth it because it was working, right?
Speaker AAnd it's like that's what we have to tell Christians because they would hear these stories and be like, why would you ever do that?
Speaker ABecause their assumption is your life gets worse, right?
Speaker AAnd it eventually gets worse, but it's like the dev.
Speaker AI think what happens is like in Christianity initially it's hard because you're dying to self you're destroying altars and idols.
Speaker ABut then in the long term it's eternal life, right?
Speaker ABut then the devil does the opposite where it's in the short term he's blood, you know what I mean?
Speaker ABecause it's, he's blessing you in the short term, but then long term, right?
Speaker AAnd that's why I've heard so many stories like this.
Speaker AI got chills all over me.
Speaker CYeah, me too.
Speaker AYou know, because it's, it's like we're exposing a deception, right?
Speaker ABecause there's so many people watching this video right now.
Speaker AMaybe they even came to judge it because they're in the beginning phase where it's still working, right?
Speaker CAnd it does.
Speaker CYou know, witchcraft works and sin feels good, but you'll pay for it with your soul.
Speaker CThere's a price.
Speaker CSo, you know, when we come to Christ, we lose things in the natural world.
Speaker CLike maybe we lose all our friends because they think we're crazy.
Speaker COr maybe we lose relationships, money, fame, acclaim.
Speaker CBut you gain eternal life and you store up treasures in heaven.
Speaker CBut yeah, if you want to be a friend of this world, then the devil will give you whatever you want.
Speaker CIf you love this world, then the love of the Father is not in you.
Speaker CThat's why the scripture says that.
Speaker CBecause this world, you cannot serve money and God, you cannot drink from the cup of demons and the Lord.
Speaker CLike this world is the place where you're going to be blessed temporarily, carnally, and it feels great.
Speaker CBut there's eternity and you got to deal with that.
Speaker CYou know, you're going to pay in eternity for what you do here.
Speaker AOh, so good.
Speaker BThat makes me just think though, that although things are taken away, God still restores and redeems.
Speaker CHe does.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BAnd the things that he gives, like you said, is eternal.
Speaker BWe can have that here on earth.
Speaker CRight?
Speaker DRight.
Speaker BLike we were laughing and talking earlier, talking about happiness versus joy.
Speaker BSo God gives us joy.
Speaker BThe scripture says the joy of the Lord is my strength.
Speaker BAnd even though when we come to new life in Christ, there's still struggles, but we have our hope and our hope is in Jesus and he's able to help us endure.
Speaker BSo I love that, you know, things might be taken away, but the Lord still gives us gifts.
Speaker BWe get his Holy Spirit, we get joy, we get peace.
Speaker BAnd those are the things that fill us up.
Speaker BI know in your interview you talked about going to those wells, those broken cisterns, and whether it's sexual or you know, into the occult, there's still this broken cisterns that we're going to that are not filling us up.
Speaker BAnd I just think and wonder in your story and in your interview you talked about dying to yourself and getting to that point.
Speaker BSo of course maybe it's working now and then eternally it doesn't work.
Speaker BBut I guess how did you come to a point where you were like, okay, this is not working right?
Speaker BAnd where you were saying, I need life because the power of the blood gives us life and life more abundantly.
Speaker BThe scripture says amen, you know.
Speaker CWell, I was thinking when we were listening to Angela, cause we were just like behind the camera praying the whole time.
Speaker CWe have such a, like identical testimony with different details, like this parallel of how we came out.
Speaker CSo it was the same with me as it was for her.
Speaker CI just was trying, trying, trying, trying.
Speaker CTrying to fill the God shaped hole in my heart.
Speaker CTrying to fill the emptiness.
Speaker CI was always depressed, I was always miserable.
Speaker CThe witchcraft worked in the Sense that I saw results of what I was trying to do.
Speaker CBut I didn't feel any more fulfilled.
Speaker CI still felt I was suicid age of 11 when I received a spirit of suicide.
Speaker CUntil I met Jesus at 32, every day of my life was spiritual agony.
Speaker CI was totally empty inside.
Speaker CSo, yes, it worked in terms of, like the natural, you know, getting money, getting fame, getting acclaim, getting around this world.
Speaker CBut inside I was vacuously empty and just so, so depressed.
Speaker DYou know, it's interesting too, kind of piggybacking what you were saying.
Speaker DWhat you were saying this, like, joy.
Speaker DIt's like, yeah, sometimes things may be taken, but then he restores everything.
Speaker DAnd something that I like to talk a lot about, me and Nayla have talked about this a lot on even my show is like the joy of the Lord, right?
Speaker DAnd this idea of suffering, how you're actually going to suffer either way, like, as a Christian or not.
Speaker DBut here's the difference, is that as a Christian, you're actually dead to yourself.
Speaker DSo you suffer for Christ.
Speaker DAnd I think a lot of.
Speaker DI don't know if you've ever done any teachings on this, but I think, like, a lot of Christians are always talking about how they're depressed or they're anxious or they're this.
Speaker DAnd they're like, well, the Bible says we're gonna suffer, but that's not what it means.
Speaker DLike, that's how you suffer in the world with that vacuous hole.
Speaker DYou suffer with depression and anxiety, but when you come to the Lord, like, you suffer for his sake, you don't suffer for your sake anymore because he's taken that from you.
Speaker DHe suffered for your sake, and now you suffer for his name because you're a follower of Him.
Speaker DBut that doesn't mean you should struggle with, like, depression and anxiety and misery.
Speaker DAnd I think for you, this is why your tough is so triggering to the community you came from, because they don't have that.
Speaker DAnd that's.
Speaker DI mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what you're looking for in that lifestyle is that unending joy.
Speaker DBut it's all coming from being alive in yourself, because it's all about the self.
Speaker DAnd now you're in Christ and it's like they can't fathom that.
Speaker DYou're just.
Speaker DYou're genuinely joyful and that part of you is dead.
Speaker DYeah, right.
Speaker BI know a lot of stories from people because the culture, the lifestyle is partying, drinking, all the things you know.
Speaker BAnd even though I didn't necessarily come out.
Speaker BYou know, I was almost there back in 2022, thank God.
Speaker BI started to come to church.
Speaker BBut like, all of that culture is just going to those broken cisterns, and you keep going in that cycle.
Speaker BIt's a different cycle, but it's still a cycle.
Speaker BIt's a different hamster wheel, but it's still a hamster wheel.
Speaker BAnd so I see a lot of people, they get older, they're, you know, not saying that marriage is, you know, called for everyone, but people who are older, and they're just so sad and depressed, and then they start grooming other young men because they want that emotional or some kind of connection.
Speaker BWe see people who are.
Speaker BWho are older, you know, the partying goes away.
Speaker BBut now they're heavily addicted.
Speaker BAnd so when I say, respectfully, I don't want that, I don't want your life, I mean that in all honesty, because we haven't seen good fruit bear from that.
Speaker BAnd at this point, I want good fruit in my life.
Speaker BFor me, my heaviest struggle was getting out of porn, you know, And I.
Speaker BOne day I woke up and it was gone.
Speaker BThrough the power of Jesus after totally surrendering.
Speaker BI know you guys spoke about surrender a little bit earlier, but there are stages and levels of surrender.
Speaker BSo I just also want to encourage people to fully surrender.
Speaker BAnd when you fully surrender and die to yourself, you truly have freedom, you truly have life.
Speaker BOtherwise, you'll continue to go in cycles.
Speaker BI was tired of going in cycles, Covid.
Speaker BAnd the pandemic was a blessing, you know, as well.
Speaker BIt was like a halt.
Speaker BIt was a stop to really reflect.
Speaker BI'm a striver, I'm a worker.
Speaker BSo I've been working and striving and doing all these things for years, up until Covid, when the Lord called me me into rest.
Speaker BAnd the rest that I got was that I'm exchanging my burdens for yours.
Speaker BHis yoke is easy and his rest is light.
Speaker BAmen.
Speaker CAnd that's why we can count it all.
Speaker CJoy, right?
Speaker CThe suffering that you.
Speaker CThat you talked about suffering for Christ, it doesn't feel like the suffering in the world.
Speaker CThe suffering in the world is like all on you.
Speaker CIt's internal torment.
Speaker CBut when you suffer for Christ, it's persecution for your faith or, you know, something like that.
Speaker CLosing worldly possessions.
Speaker CYou count it, Joy.
Speaker CWhen I lost everything, when I came to Christ, I was literally skipping like this.
Speaker CGet this image.
Speaker CI'm in the Pyrenees mountains.
Speaker CI was literally skipping through the mountains, like swinging my hand, imagining I'm Holding Jesus hand, going, I have Jesus.
Speaker CI lost my house, my relationship, my friends, all my money.
Speaker CYou know, like, I had so much joy to lose everything in this world for him because he is everything and.
Speaker BHe'S already conquered the world.
Speaker BIt's he who's greater than the one that's in the world.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker BAnd I love when it talks about in Colossians 10, I've been studying that a lot, but it talks about experiencing the fullness of God through Jesus Christ.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker BThe one who came to the earth who was a man but did not sin.
Speaker BLike, how do you think you're going to overcome anything without Jesus?
Speaker BHe was the perfect man who didn't sin and overcame the world.
Speaker BSo the only way for you to be able to move through life and experience the fullness and the destiny that God has for you is through him.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker AOh, you know what's crazy to think about?
Speaker ASo you're involved in witchcraft and you're offering your body.
Speaker AYou're involved in, I believe, another form of witchcraft.
Speaker AOffering your body.
Speaker AThink about it.
Speaker DManipulation.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWhat exactly.
Speaker AMind control.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut then what does Christ do?
Speaker AHe offers his body.
Speaker COh, thank.
Speaker ASo it's like salvation is receiving what Christ already offered and witchcraft is you being the offering.
Speaker CExactly.
Speaker CSo it's like, yeah, he was the offering for us.
Speaker CSo we don't have to put ourselves on the altar anymore for the devil.
Speaker AAnd the world.
Speaker AAnd the world.
Speaker AWorld, the world is struggling right now with I need to define myself.
Speaker ABut the gospel is die to self.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker ASo it's like, cuz right now everybody's trying to define themselves, but we're saying, no, die to self.
Speaker AAnd I think the burden of this generation is self assigned identity.
Speaker ASo in.
Speaker ABecause like, I'm a dad, I never had a dad.
Speaker AI had multiple abusive stepdads.
Speaker AAnd so you want to make something of yourself.
Speaker AAnd that's really what we're seeing with like the culture now is like, I'm going to define myself as new age, I'm going to define myself with an lgbt.
Speaker AIt's like you're creating your own identity, but there's a weight.
Speaker ABut see, what happens is when you have a father, you don't create an identity, you inherit it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd so it's like, what should have happened is, hey, you're a signorelli.
Speaker ALet me tell you what that means.
Speaker AYou lay your life down for your family, your wife, for Christ, you die to self.
Speaker AWe have integrity, you know, we're generous, like, you know what I mean?
Speaker ALike you inherit an identity, and you're proud of where you came from.
Speaker BFrom.
Speaker ABut we.
Speaker AWe exchange being proud of the lineage for pride.
Speaker ASo it's like.
Speaker AYou get what I'm saying?
Speaker AIt's like.
Speaker AAnd so I think the gospel is inheritance versus making right.
Speaker AAnd there's a lot of people who are like, they're.
Speaker AThey're going online, like, oh, maybe I can become more powerful through this.
Speaker AMaybe I can become more influential.
Speaker ASo I just wanted to interject that idea.
Speaker CThey don't know their identity.
Speaker CI didn't know my identity.
Speaker CI didn't know that God made me to love me, that I'm supposed to be destined to be a child of God.
Speaker CNo one told me that.
Speaker DRight.
Speaker CSo I was trying to figure out, who am I?
Speaker CWhy am I on this planet?
Speaker CAnd that's why we both went into the occult, because, well, I was already in the occult.
Speaker CBut why we went deep is we're like, who am I?
Speaker CWhy am I here?
Speaker CWhy do I exist?
Speaker CWho is God?
Speaker CWhat is this?
Speaker CAnd that's a problem.
Speaker CEven in the church.
Speaker CChristians often don't know their identity in Christ.
Speaker CLike, to truly understand that.
Speaker AWell, yeah, and I've seen you face so much rejection as well.
Speaker ABut I think it's because you know who you are that you're able to survive that.
Speaker ASo I don't know if you want to talk about that.
Speaker BI was just going to say the revelation.
Speaker BRevelation with, like, defining yourself.
Speaker BOne thing that I learned that the Lord gave me was like, well, when does it end?
Speaker BI keep defining myself.
Speaker BI keep going.
Speaker BI keep going and I keep going.
Speaker BIt's another cycle.
Speaker BOkay, I'm gay.
Speaker BOkay, I'm bi.
Speaker BOkay, I'm trans.
Speaker BI'm pansexual.
Speaker BI'm asexual.
Speaker BI'm doing all.
Speaker BAnd now we're adding more colors to the flag, more symbols, all the things.
Speaker BI have no idea what's going on, but it's like, when does it end?
Speaker BWhen you receive identity from the father, you get a full sentence with a period.
Speaker BYou don't get a comma.
Speaker BYou don't get a hyphen.
Speaker BIt's done.
Speaker BAnd so that was so freeing for me.
Speaker BAnd I just want to encourage everyone to just.
Speaker BWhen you receive identity, you don't have to keep feeling yourself.
Speaker BYou don't have to keep adding question marks and commas to things.
Speaker BIt's already finished and done.
Speaker BI don't have to do anything.
Speaker DRight.
Speaker AI just heard her period.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker CIt's sons.
Speaker DSee, like, it's like completely different stories.
Speaker DLike, New Age, lgbt, like, but it's the same because the devil is not creative.
Speaker DHe's just crafty.
Speaker DSo it's always the same thing in a different package.
Speaker DAnd what you're saying, it's like, well, what's the next thing?
Speaker DWhat's the next.
Speaker DWhat's the next letter of the Alphabet that we're gonna use?
Speaker DRight.
Speaker DIt's like, with us, it was like, well, what's the next thing?
Speaker DBecause for us, it's like your identity is always being defined.
Speaker DAnd for us, it was always like, well, you're always healing, so it's always another layer of healing and always another upgrade, always another ascension.
Speaker DIt's never like, there's no means to an end.
Speaker DI always preach that, that there's no means to an end with New Age.
Speaker DIt's just like a constant healing.
Speaker DBut it's a paradox because it's also the preaching of, well, you are perfect, whole, and complete, and yet you have to do all these things to be healed.
Speaker DSo it's like, what?
Speaker BIt's very.
Speaker BWork space.
Speaker DIt's work space.
Speaker DIt's very validation that you never actually achieve.
Speaker BBut I think what happens to get out of that is the revelation of the love of the Father.
Speaker BBecause you talked about realizing that God loves you.
Speaker CThat was it.
Speaker BAnd although I grew up in church, I just.
Speaker BMy understanding of God was that he was judgment, he was judgeful, he was, you know, I couldn't stand up.
Speaker BI couldn't live up to a certain expectation.
Speaker BBut that's not love.
Speaker BThat's shame, that's guilt.
Speaker BThat's love with a condition.
Speaker BBut we serve a God, Christianity.
Speaker BJesus is the only religion where he says, I love you and you don't have to do anything.
Speaker BThat's so freeing.
Speaker AWell, Scripture even says, son, I loved you at your darkest.
Speaker AYou know, like.
Speaker AAnd I think that's the love that the world needs to hear.
Speaker AI loved you at your darkest, but I didn't keep you in darkness.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker AAnd I think that's the difference.
Speaker AThe other thing, too, is, like, the more you go on that.
Speaker AThat definition route, there's no rest for your soul.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker AAnd, like, what I feel on you all is.
Speaker AIs a paradoxical nature, but not of works with more works, but doing the will of God in the midst of rest.
Speaker ASo, in other words, I'm resting in my salvation because I know it's in him.
Speaker AI couldn't earn it.
Speaker AEverything I offer was filthy rags.
Speaker AThink about that.
Speaker AWhen you're in witchcraft, it's like, what's the best offering I can make.
Speaker ABut the gospel says even your best is filthy rags.
Speaker AAnd so then you're at rest in that, and then that rest empowers you to now do the will of the Father without striving.
Speaker CSo good.
Speaker AAnd I feel like this is.
Speaker AWe're getting to roots real quick.
Speaker AI know we don't have, like.
Speaker AOkay, let me just say this because we only got a few more minutes because, everybody, this is.
Speaker AThis has been the easiest podcast I ever did.
Speaker AI knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker AI was like, lord, make me the dumbest one at the table.
Speaker AAnd he did it today.
Speaker ASo we're gonna have to do round two.
Speaker AWe'll have to go deeper on this one.
Speaker ABut we have just a few more minutes left.
Speaker AAnd I.
Speaker AI want to, like, shift the focus because.
Speaker ATo ministering, because we kind of been diagnosing like.
Speaker ALike, if.
Speaker AIf you all could just take these last.
Speaker ALike, we literally have few minutes just to minister to those who are watching because they're finally, like, okay, now what do I do?
Speaker CYeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker CWho wants to go?
Speaker COkay, so, yeah, if I could just speak to all the new ages out there.
Speaker CI didn't know I was in New Age until I got saved and I encountered Jesus.
Speaker CI never even heard the term New age.
Speaker CSo let me just say, anyone who's mixed up in witchcraft, mixed up in things of the occult, whether it's tarot, yoga, Reiki crystals, healing using sound vibrations, ascension, culture, I was big into goddess worship and the divine feminine movement, and all these things that, you know, all come under the umbrella time of new age.
Speaker CYou are looking for the truth.
Speaker CAnd I know that because I was a truth seeker.
Speaker CThat was why I was so driven to seek these occult mysteries.
Speaker CIt's because I wanted the truth, the truth above every other truth.
Speaker CAnd that was my search spiritually, my whole life.
Speaker CAnd what changed for me is when I cried out to the universe, which, as God at the time, and I said, show me the ultimate truth, the truth above every other truth, because I know there's a capital T, truth, and I have all this lowercase T, truth, like all these different mystery texts I read, and I had so much worldly wisdom.
Speaker CI read every book on religion, but I knew I didn't have the ultimate truth because I was still vacuous and empty inside.
Speaker CAnd if you found the truth, you wouldn't still have this huge burning question mark in your soul.
Speaker CSo I knew that I hadn't found the truth.
Speaker CAnd so I cried out and asked, and if you're really actually hungry, for truth.
Speaker CAnd you're not prideful and you're not concerned with being right, but you're just concerned with receiving the truth.
Speaker CIf you ask, Jesus Christ himself will reveal himself to you because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
Speaker CAnd there is no one who can come to God or truth except through Him.
Speaker CHe's the only way to God.
Speaker CAnd so that was my revelation because I got desperate enough to say, you know what, even if I don't like the truth, just give it me to.
Speaker CI want it.
Speaker CSo I just appeal to anyone who truly wants truth.
Speaker CIf you are truly hungry for truth, you will arrive at Jesus Christ because he is truth.
Speaker CThat's literally one of his names.
Speaker CSo I cried out truth and he's like, here I am.
Speaker CSo if you really, really want to know, just ask.
Speaker CLike, ask from your soul.
Speaker CCry out from the depths of yourself with a genuine curiosity.
Speaker CAnd yeah, don't try and disprove God or test him, but just actually ask for the truth and you will receive it.
Speaker CBecause Jesus says, knock and the door will be open.
Speaker CHappened.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker DThat's so good.
Speaker CYeah, praise God.
Speaker DI'll just piggyback off that because it's simple too.
Speaker DFrom our testimony, we have like the same testimony.
Speaker DIt's so true.
Speaker DAnd I know better than anyone, because I was there, that if you are in that right now where you are searching and searching and searching, then your heart is fertile to receive the Lord because he meets you in that place of humility.
Speaker DAnd as Nayla's talking, I'm thinking that to myself, how, how it does come from that first little willingness to actually surrender and say, well, what if I don't know better?
Speaker DAnd so that's what I would just encourage is just that willingness to just say, okay, I've done it this way for so long.
Speaker DJust allow yourself to embrace the what if.
Speaker DWhat if what these girls are saying is true and all of this witchcraft, all this new age stuff that I've been doing, doing is not the way.
Speaker DWhat if Jesus is the way because he will meet you there?
Speaker DBecause he is the way.
Speaker DHe is absolutely the way.
Speaker DAnd all this other stuff will never fulfill you.
Speaker DHe is the only one that can fulfill you.
Speaker DHe is the only one that can fill the God shaped hole in your heart because it's in the shape of a cross.
Speaker DAnd I just want to encourage you, all that, the new age stuff, it's all a counterfeit, it's all a lie.
Speaker DNo one wants to take your spirituality away from you.
Speaker DGod created spirituality and he will redeem that and the gifts that you have, he will redeem that, that for his glory.
Speaker DHe's the one that created it.
Speaker DThe devil has taken it and perverted it for his kingdom.
Speaker DGod will redeem it.
Speaker DBut more important, you will have eternal life.
Speaker DYou will be forgiven, you will be covered, you will be made new, a new creation.
Speaker DThe Bible says.
Speaker DAnd yeah, do not sell out for these lies because you are already bought with a price by Jesus.
Speaker ASo good.
Speaker CAmen.
Speaker BI just wanted to the scripture that saved my life and that I always say a lot of that times is Matthew 3:17.
Speaker BThis is my beloved Son whom I love and I'm well pleased with him.
Speaker BThis is what God said to Jesus after he was baptized.
Speaker BWhen the heavens opened and the Holy Spirit descended like a dove, before Jesus did anything, he was affirmed by His Father.
Speaker BAnd if you hear a lot of our stories, you'll see the connecting thread.
Speaker BWe surrendered.
Speaker BWe came to the end of ourselves and we found Jesus.
Speaker BWe found peace and we found so I just want to let you know that you are loved and that you are seen and that you are valued, that he loves you so much.
Speaker BYour identity is not an outcast.
Speaker BYour identity is not alienated or feeling like you're not seeing that you're hidden.
Speaker BYour identity is that you're a son and daughter of the Lord and He loves you so much.
Speaker BThat's what set me free.
Speaker BAnd I'm so grateful for that.
Speaker BEven at one point when I was identifying as a maybe potential gay Christian, like literally three years ago, I just realized in my surrender I was able to receive the fullness of God.
Speaker BAnd I never want to do anything to come away from that.
Speaker BBecause when I have love, I have everything.
Speaker BSo no matter what your background is, whether you had a great upbringing, whether you didn't, whether you've been in Colt or not, single parent household or not, you are loved.
Speaker BAnd that love is going to take you to glory.
Speaker ASo oh so good.
Speaker AI want to thank all of you at the table for your yes, thank you for your yes.
Speaker ALike I just the boldness that you've had to stand for Christ and share in his sufferings and just on behalf of all the lives that you've touched and so many more, thank you.
Speaker AYou know, I want to say that because I know they're going to be in the comment sections thanking you, but on behalf of all them, thank you because I know it's not easy and sometimes you make it look like way easier than it is.
Speaker AThey don't know the anguish they don't know the struggle.
Speaker AThey don't know how you have to pray through the confusion.
Speaker AAnd many of you are literally hacking your way through all of the.
Speaker AThe.
Speaker AThe brush and the debris of this generation to.
Speaker ATo.
Speaker ATo do something that.
Speaker AWho's made the playbook?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo I just want to say thank you for being willing to pioneer and find.
Speaker AFind a new way.
Speaker AAnd for all of you watching right now, this is a.
Speaker AA phrase.
Speaker ALike when we launched our church, this is something the.
Speaker AA revelation God gave me me is to call.
Speaker ATo call those who say yes to Jesus, the wild ones.
Speaker ABecause sometimes we think like, oh, yeah, I'm going to come into Christianity.
Speaker AI'm going to lose my edge.
Speaker ABut it's like, we are.
Speaker AWe are the wild ones.
Speaker CThere's nothing more exciting than being walking with Jesus.
Speaker CIt's an adventure knowing God.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABecause it's like in the world, you wake up and you're like, okay, now what.
Speaker AWhat do I make with my life?
Speaker ABut when you accept the love of the Father, you wake up and you say, ah, Baba, like, papa, what's.
Speaker AWhat adventure are we gonna have today?
Speaker AWhat miracle are you gonna do today that'll break anxiety?
Speaker ABecause anxiety is.
Speaker AI don't know what today's gonna hold, but faith in crisis, Papa, what are we gonna do today?
Speaker CAnd he knows.
Speaker CHe knows every day of our life.
Speaker CHe's already written it.
Speaker AThat's it.
Speaker CSo we're just in his hand, just like, thank you, God.
Speaker AOh, come on.
Speaker DOkay, so the potter and clay.
Speaker AThat's it.
Speaker BThat's it.
Speaker AOkay, so we're gonna go.
Speaker AWe're gonna do another one of these.
Speaker ASo I already know y' all.
Speaker AAnd then their chant channels are linked in the description.
Speaker ASo go over, subscribe to their channels, follow them on different socials, receive from their lives.
Speaker AAnd as always, guys, thank you so much for making this such a special place here together online.
Speaker AI'll see you in the next one.