151. Men Who Feel God: The Seer Gift, Righteous Desire & Holy Emotion

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In this episode of What the Prophets Say, join

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me, Emma Stark, Jonah Wilson, and Matt Johnson

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as we dive into what is it like to be a seer,

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emotionally led by the spirit prophet, particularly

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when you're a man in a world that doesn't like

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righteous desire. Hello, loyal listeners, and

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a very warm welcome to another episode of What

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the Prophets Say with me, Emma Stark. I am joined

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in the studio once again by... That wasn't very

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tuneful. Wow. What an entrance, Jonah. What

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an entrance. A lovely tune. Emma always comes

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on these What the Prophets Say and does a little

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song for most guests, doesn't she? Hang on, I've

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got to try again. Is that better? I don't know.

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We'll take it. You'll take it. Jonah Wilson,

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Matt Johnson, welcome back. How are you? Wonderful,

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thank you. So our American, our English and our

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Irish, who's very good at making potatoes, reference

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previous broadcast. But Geordie, do the Geordie

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in Newcastle want to be their own nation, Matt?

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I don't think so, actually. I think we're quite

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content being Northern. We probably don't want

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to be Southern or that part of England. Here

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we are. Oh, very much so. If you guys make an

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intentional effort to let me know, I am from

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the North. Oh, yes, absolutely. We love the Scottish,

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but anyone from any further than York, it's like...

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Yeah, it's very aware. Bless them. Bless them,

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you know. Our cultural and geographical idiosyncrasies

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are now fully on display. But actually we just,

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we released that because we're prophets. We have

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to be apolitical. You're dead right. You are

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dead right. Although I would like to say that

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you likened me to Mrs. Doubtfire a minute ago.

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Robin Williams in costume. But please tell me

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I look and sound nothing like Mrs Doubtfire.

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Heck no. I think it says in our contract, Jonah,

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that we can't speak on behalf of this. So yes,

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no, Emma, you sound and look nothing like Mrs

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Doubtfire. Thanks. I don't know how I got like

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into that. But anyway, I hope it's not a comment

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on my age. No, but to be fair, Becca, every time

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I try to do the Newcastle accent, I try to mock

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her and she's like, you make me sound like Mary

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Poppins every single time you do my accent. I

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was like, and what's wrong with Mary Poppins?

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A spoonful of sugar, house of medicine. Sorry,

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sorry. Moving on to something spiritual very

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fast before you and I break into a standard set

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of musicals. The joy of working with Jonah is

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that you know all the words to most of the musicals

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that I know the words. too so it's a Matt you've

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not joined in how's your singing voice absolutely

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terrible however give me a Disney playlist Sarah

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goes crazy she's like why do we have to listen

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to Disney for three hours in the car and I'm

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like every Disney song is amazing sing us your

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favourite come on it has to be Hercules and I

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can go the distance every millennial man absolutely

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you know every millennial man He has that song.

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I can be who I want to be. That's me. It's me.

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I can go the distance. You know what makes it

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even more magical? When you are in front of the

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castle, Magic Kingdom, happily ever after, and

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they pop Hercules on the castle and you're just

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like, I feel like I'm a man. Ladies and gentlemen,

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you have officially entered the Twilight Zone.

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And I don't know what to say to you. So, guys,

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these. gentlemen to my left are anointed men

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of God. And they are, you're both in your 20s.

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Yep. And coming up to some bigger birthdays.

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And we're scheming. In fact, we have, I think,

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Sam's turning 30. You are turning 30. You're

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30 soon. And then I'll be 30. You'll be 30. I'm

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turning 50. David's turning 50. We're all hitting

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our big birthdays. And lots of celebration. But

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what we hit kind of privately that we want to

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bring to you today is particularly to talk to

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them as men, if that's permitted. I know we get

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very scared about the kind of misappropriating

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roles and responsibilities. But we're going to

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go there in that in Scripture, if I can set the

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scene and then I'm going to kick the ball to

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their feet to pass. Trying to put in a soccer

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analogy. Sorry. Suzanne's giving you a thumbs

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up. Is she for a soccer analogy? We're covering

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all our favourites, soccer and musicals. There

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are three types of prophets in Scripture, but

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the two that we want to talk about particularly

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today is the Nabi, N -A -B -I. That's just the

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Old Testament Hebrew word for a certain category

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of prophet. And they are the wordsmiths. They

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bubble up with language. It's very much about,

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and the Spirit of the Lord says, and it's a word

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that is given. It's a gush of spoken or sung

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revelation. I predominantly manifest like that

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when the Spirit of God moves in me in the public

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space. It sounds quite authoritative. It fills

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the room, that nabby flow with the sense of the

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word of the Lord or the command of the Lord or

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the direction of the Lord. And it sometimes,

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you know, because it comes from me in female

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form, there's an awful lot of critique of, you

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know, harsh or masculine. Whereas if a man did

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it, it would seem, you know, like a thing to

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be celebrated because it's very direct in orientation.

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So you two gentlemen. are dominantly not that,

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though you can become that if you need to and

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you do dip in and out of that as required, but

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you two have a very definite preference and calling

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of the Lord to sit under the anointing of the

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seer prophet. And that is a couple of different

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words in Scripture. They are not nabi. It's not

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linked to that word, but it is linked to the

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sight, perception, emotion, sensory. uh connection

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with god the sense of i felt i saw and rather

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than i heard and i spoke It is my emotions were

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subjected to the emotions of the weight of how

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God felt. I was overwhelmed in visionary state

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and I was in an ecstatic state of the possession

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of the spirit. And sometimes that feels almost

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a little bit more feminized because it's a communication

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that is usually I felt, I saw. I sensed and it

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is quite deeply emotionally orientated and given

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scent from the Lord so that you burden bear his

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emotional status with him in that. And that is

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not unusual, but in some senses it is. thought

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of as quite feminized forms, and yet you're sitting

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here as true, courageous men of God who live

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in that way before the Lord, lives laid down,

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but very much warrior men living within the emotions

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of God. And sometimes you get the criticism in

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reverse that I get. of like, well, you know,

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should you not be looking more, I don't know,

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male in how you deliver a prophetic word. And

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yet you are reflections of the heart of God.

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Now we can all do both. I have watched you guys

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nabby and you've watched me seer in my delivery

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of words. So we train in. GPA, just to be able

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to steer revelation in, to be perfectly honest,

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however God wants it to be disseminated. But

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I want to spend this episode that we have together

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in asking you what it is like to sit in that

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role. as if I can say men in their 20s, young

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men, you're not quite in middle age. David and

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I are very definitely both feet now in middle

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age, although David assuredly tells me that 49

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is not yet middle age, but perimenopause tells

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me differently. And the joy of our ages and stages.

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But you guys have made some choices to not shirk.

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or hide away from that particular expression

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of God, the God who is jealous, the God who weeps,

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the God who feels about his own very deeply,

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the God of pursuit, the God of desire, the God

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of Romans 8, where his spirit groans, the God

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who gives to both Ezekiel, Daniel, and... John,

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Isaiah also, and others in Scripture, a strong

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sight gift who coaches Jeremiah. What do you

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see, Jeremiah? And Jeremiah in chapter one is

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schooled by the Lord in a sight gift. So as I

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set the framework for particularly, not just

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the sight, because the sight maybe is too easy,

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but the full breadth of what seer in Scripture

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represents, the rah, where the word is rah, R

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-A -A -H in its English transliteration, of a

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very all -encompassing possession of all that

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you are in a sensory way by the Spirit of God

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that he might put revelation and impress revelation

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on you from the inside out. Can you talk, let's

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go to early years before we go to the adult ascent

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to that call. Who wants to start? What is it

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like to know that you are feeling deeply? Yeah,

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I think for me, one of my earliest, certainly

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earliest memories is probably when I'm roughly

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around 16 and I'm really trying to push in for

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a relationship with Jesus. And there's this whole

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sense of the... the church culture in England

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where, oh, why are you doing that? Is that not

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a little bit sissy? That was the word that was

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used at the time, given it was years ago. Why

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would you want to push in further? And I really

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started to retreat and there was something in

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me one day, I had a dream and the Lord had just

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said, go out, take a bag and go and give, you're

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going to meet someone on the street, give them

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some clothes. I thought, I've got no idea where

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I'm going. Why would I do this? I'm 16 and my

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parents gracefully was like, go for it, you'll

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be fine. And I'm walking in the street and I

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see an angel and he says, follow me this way.

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And we go down this road and I meet this guy

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who needs some clothes. He has an encounter with

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Jesus. He then gives his life to Jesus, starts

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attending the church. blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, all this great stuff. And I felt the pull

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then of, do I retreat and go back into myself

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and go, actually, even though the Lord had pressed

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this, like you said, Emma, this sense that really

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bubbled up and rushed out. Do I retreat back

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and go, actually, I don't want that. And I feel

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like sometimes as men, we can. um hide away from

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those feelings and go let's lean into the more

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masculine which is oh no I hear from the Lord

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quietly and um contemplatively yes absolutely

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almost sedate yeah yeah yeah and I think for

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me um very similarly I think when I started on

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my journey um it was probably seven or eight

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that I recognize some level of I'm a dreamer.

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It started in dreams. So it's the Lord's taking

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me into heaven. He's showing me heaven. I'm having

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encounters with God himself. He's handing me

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things in heaven. That was kind of the realm.

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And my mom really empowered me in that and was

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like, tell me more about the dreams that you're

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having. But I think it's right around that puberty,

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adolescence age, that 12, 13, 14. No one said

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anything to me. No one even had that language

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of don't be a sissy. But I think just culture

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shuts down naturally the sense of men feeling.

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So because your feeling is then shut down, that

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also then shuts down your ability to see in the

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spirit. Yeah. Okay. Is any of that? a fear of

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feeling the wrong thing and not wanting unrighteous

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desires? So you neuter old desire? Yes, I think

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so. I think, speaking very honestly, there was

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confusion for me growing up. So I'm then sat

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in a, oh, well, people are saying these things.

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So maybe the unrighteous desire. is something

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that is my portion. And I think it's obviously

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a lie. And because you're bold enough to step

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out and say, I am feeling things and seeing things

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in the spirit, the enemy very quickly wants to

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try and shut that down through usually friends,

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sometimes family members, through very, very

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harsh, very cold comments. Don't know if you

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had a... Yeah, it's interesting. I think it's

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interlaced. I think there's definitely a piece

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of that with the unrighteous desire. I think

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the other piece for me was. There is a sense

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of because of my background and because of family

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job losses and being constantly kind of in a

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state of fight or flight that you don't realize

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as a kid. But there's a sense of just stuff everything

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down. Don't feel. And so when you do that at

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a young age, you're also then stuffing the gift.

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And it really wasn't until I started doing the

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deliverance, the inner healing, recognizing,

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wow, I've hindered my emotions. I've hindered

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my ability to. like let's start with just even

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the ability for a guy to cry and cry over something.

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When you suppress that, then because you're suppressing

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your own ability to feel, you're also, there's

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no way that you can feel God's emotions. You've

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just suppressed it all. And so then there's the

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sense, like you said, you go into contemplation.

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Oh, I can read God what he's saying in scripture.

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But even the ability for me, I would say, to

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say the words, I hear God's voice. That was probably

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all shut down until probably my, well, since

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until 2019. So I was 21, 22. Wow. That's how

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long from 12 until 21, 22. I think even worship

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though. Yeah, absolutely. And that's something

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I love about the culture here. Like I love that

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our young people are sold, so sold out for worshiping

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the Lord. Growing up in my background, worship

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was so hindered. So if you even follow David's

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example of being sold out, heart after God's

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heart, all of that. Dancing before the Lord.

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Dancing before, like undignified. That was seen

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as, why are you doing that? You should almost,

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and it comes back to that lie, you should be

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seen and not heard. That was something spoken

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very much over. I think what interests me about

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your story, Matt, is that you were a rugby player

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and that of all of the sports within the United

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Kingdom context, the British Isles is seen as

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perhaps the most male, if that's the right word.

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It's actually quite a brave sport, a very dangerous

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sport. I mean, I know they've cleaned it up a

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little bit with a bit more safety rules around

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concussion, but injury and... and it doesn't

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have that soccer feeling of people who roll around

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the floor at the slightest tackle. It has a man's

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man feel about it. Talk to me about what it's

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like to sit in that place where... you're actually

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highly achieving in something that is seen as

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very masculine. And then at the same time, the

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Lord is pulling you into, I want you to know

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me and I want to overwhelm you with my presence.

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And I want you to be one who is a representation

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of my heart. What's that like? Yeah. it honestly

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it felt at the time like i was living a double

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life um almost like i can have this very male

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very masculine rugby portion and no one could

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know about the relationship with god so what

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i'm then doing is dwarfing that so the lord isn't

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able to move at all really until he has my full

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yes but trying to merge them both into the same

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person. Effectively, what I was doing is splitting

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myself and not being a whole person. And that's

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quite hard, especially as a teenager. And I see

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so many young people now and my heart is absolutely

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for the young men of the next generation to not

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feel like they can't be who the Lord has made

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them to be. they should be able to feel and we

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should champion that as men. I would have loved

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for a guy my age to come to someone, say you're

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Samuel's age, Emma, and go, you're doing a great

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job. I wish I was as bold or as brave as you.

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And maybe we were in some ways because we had

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to start to break out and we looked to see what

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happened 100 years ago and even the transition

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then, it's massive compared to... you know, men,

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I'm talking about men. And the trajectory of

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how we are now becoming more accepted of these

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are my emotions. God gave me them. God clearly

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has emotion. How do we then steward them properly?

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And I think that needs to be the question where

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we really start to draw out for young guys, how

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do you steward that emotion properly? It's a

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great emotion to feel, to see, and all of that

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golden stuff. What do we do as the slightly older

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generation to go to the younger generation, come

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up higher, come up higher? Yeah. I think the

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other piece too is because the church, I'm talking

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capital C church at this point. Yes, in the broader

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sense. Did not have a, for a long time, a value

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in feeling God. in the art of God, like that

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God loves the arts, that God loves creativity.

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Because there's that gap. I even had a friend

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who was in high school, never struggled with

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any sort of same -sex attraction, but simply

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because he was creative, simply because he had

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a Davidic call in his life and was very expressive,

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that label is then applied. Like there's only,

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you must be. Something must be wrong with you.

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And he went through confusion, not because he

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ever struggled with that. He never he always

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liked females, but simply because that label

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was then put on him. He then started to be like,

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well, am I? I must be because this is what's

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being told. This is what the this is what they're

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telling me. And because the church did not have

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a place for someone who. tends to be more air

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quote theater kid loves music loves the arts

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encounters god can see god through that you now

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are like struggling and i think that's what creates

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even attention and your ability like where is

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my home where is my safe place within the body

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of christ and i think there's there is such a

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power in in our words in the power and what we

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are decreeing over people and something something

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like well you're a sissy or oh well you you must

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be gay because you you feel and you're creative

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that is such a curse such a curse and how many

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times are we hearing that over a generation right

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that now we have men that quite honestly don't

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know how to be men because we think, oh, well,

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it must be by this example, but where we've only

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got one portion because we've only been preached

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one portion from Scripture from other, not all

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men, but other older men, older ministers that

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have only preached a very narrow -minded view

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of the Bible and who God is. And a very Western

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mindset, because if we go back to Scripture,

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we go back to the Old Testament. We're looking

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at seers, primarily actually men. Yeah, that

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is true. They're mainly men. They're mainly men

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feeling. But if you look at, we cannot look at

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Christianity. We cannot look at Jewish roots,

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which is what our faith is based in. Jesus is

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a Jewish man from a lens. That is a Greco -Roman

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Western view. Eastern view was the mystery of

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God. Eastern view was the feeling of God. Eastern

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view that Judaism and Christianity stems from

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was very much, I'm feeling God. I'm in God. And

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we were even talking about this before we started

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the broadcast, or maybe it was the previous broadcast,

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of what does it mean to be in God? When was the

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last time a man had a conversation and said,

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hey are you in god today what does it look like

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to feel him what have you when you woke up this

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morning what was it like to be in him the the

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the new testament concept of i have put on christ

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yes yeah yes i am inside that yeah i am one with

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the spirit of god that kind of concept There's

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several kind of thoughts buzzing around my head.

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I do want you to be able to give some top tips

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to even our male listeners, even the women who

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are raising men, but the sense of what is helpful

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to say and what do we bless. I'll just tell you

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a kind of personal thing and see if I need to

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edit this out because it's about my children.

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I am parenting some extreme children. And you're

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smiling because you know them all. I mean, in

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all of their unique ways. And some of their friends

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are very extreme too. And I saw them on social

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media. We didn't capture it, but somebody else

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in another organization captured one of my children

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and their friends. in a very high -octane worship

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environment and they are going for it. And both

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of them that are in my care, one my flesh and

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blood, one not, but in my care, are weeping before

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the Lord. And to me, it's beautiful. To me, I'm

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watching them on the social media set an example,

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one girl, one boy in this situation, and they

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are whoring themselves out. And it's such a laid

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down, generous, Davidic expression of he, God,

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is wonderful. And the I will not hold back. And

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my initial thought of watching another ministry's

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social media capture them was, A sense of right

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maternal pride of I'm so glad that those in my

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care, male and female, flesh and non -flesh,

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in another city are living this extravagant life

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before the Lord. And I felt, and I'm texting

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them, I'm so proud of you. Jesus is all over

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you. I bless this expression. And then in the

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private moment, I thought. Oh, oh, oh, you're

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about to get criticism for this. You're about

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to get a behind the scenes criticism. for your

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extravagance before the Lord. And I knew it by

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the word of the Lord. And I thought, do I get

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on the phone? Do I not get on the phone? Do I

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warn them? How do I pray? Where everything that

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I want for them, wild pioneering, wild expression,

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is about to be critiqued by their peers. And

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so I left it. This is a very personal story.

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One of them phones me and I has a dream and God's

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already warned them. Thank the Lord. And I hear

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myself saying this. You're a pioneer. but you're

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a pioneer in emotions for a generation. You are

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called to pioneer generosity displayed to the

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Lord, you and your friends. And as men and women,

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because these guys are a bit older, in their

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early 20s, you are supposed to wail, weep, dance,

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shout. feel what he feels over cities and people

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groups. And you are a gift. And I heard myself

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say this. Your emotions are a gift. They are

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a gift to a generation to not have to hide so

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that you accidentally develop. unrighteous desire

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because the church does not let out righteous

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desire. So you don't know what to do with what

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you feel. And suddenly pornography is more acceptable

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than the extremes before your God. So I'm going

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to bless you as a pioneer. And I'm going to say

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this to you as the parent in your life and as

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the Christian leader in your life, though there's

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other clergy and other places around who we bless.

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I'm going to say this to you. The pioneer will

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always be, oh, that's a bit too much. That's

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a bit too much. We must learn to say thank you,

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Jesus, for the pioneers. Thank you, Jesus, that

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you give us those who make us think. What about

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that? And I felt this, perhaps the frustration

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of the years of my life, come in the conversation

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with my own children. Where is the voice that

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says hallelujah for a provocation? Finally. Finally.

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For a people who will go, he's worthy. And I

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saw him and I met him and I encountered him and

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he spoke to me and I wailed before him. Where

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are those who will say in leadership today, Thank

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you, Jesus, that you gave us those who will do

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that for us. And I find myself saying to my children

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what I wished somebody had said to me, what I

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say to you as also those in my care. Thank the

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Lord for what you provoke in the body of Christ.

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Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think as you're speaking,

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this gets back to some of the other pet peeves,

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I would say, of us. And that when we say the

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words, we want revival, we want revival, what

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we're really sometimes saying is we want sameness.

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We want to go back to the good old days in the

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1970s and the Billy Graham crusades. But the

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reality is we're in a season and an epoch of

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glory to glory. And if we had Jesus come again

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the same old way, we'd have the same old problem

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because we're not being converted into a new

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level of glory. And the reality is when you say,

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I want revival, are you creating an atmosphere?

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Are you creating a surrounding space that invites

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your next generation, your kids and your grandkids

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to be able to capture the essence of where God

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wants to take them into the heart of God, into

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feeling him? into seeing him, into saying on

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earth as it is in heaven? Or do you just want,

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at the end of the day, Christian nationalism

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where we just have air quote righteousness, but

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we don't have hearts that have actually been

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turned? I want to ask you guys to give top tips.

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It doesn't matter whether people are your age

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or, you know, whether they're male or female.

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What top tips? that you wish somebody had said

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to you that are those permission -giving things.

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And as your brains whirl, for me, it's the sense

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that if you have nobody in your life that says,

00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.680
don't you dare retreat, let me be the one that

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says that to you. We need the fullness of how

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God leads you. of how God speaks to you, of how

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you encounter him. We need that as a provocation

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in the earth to remember that he's worth encountering,

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that he desires a people who will come and meet

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him heart to heart, that he might lead them glory

00:31:20.069 --> 00:31:24.579
to glory, for he is a God. of encounter he's

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a god whose great command is that he leaves the

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spirit that we might be commanded not to read

00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.799
about him but to fellowship with him not just

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to manifest his gifts but to fellowship with

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him not just to speak in tongues but to fellowship

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with him are you hearing that when the word of

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the lord you know talks about me that may the

00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.700
love of god yeah And the grace of the Lord Jesus

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Christ and the fellowship of the Spirit be with

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you all now and evermore. That great grace that

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.539
we're asked to bring, that it is not that we

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neuter the Spirit on the earth into his gifts

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or his fruit, but that the highest accolade or

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the highest command, the highest call there for

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:10.000
the portion of the Godhead who is the Spirit,

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is that you are in fellowship with him. So go

00:32:13.259 --> 00:32:17.559
be in fellowship. with them and go and show that

00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.099
that is not hysterical it's biblical and we here

00:32:22.099 --> 00:32:25.680
in this classical context want to bless you to

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remember your call and if everybody else says

00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.440
oh I'm not sure about that let us be the ones

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who say that is needed and that your provocation

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is where your well done is top tips gentlemen

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.759
I think one thing I would want to say to everyone

00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:50.339
listening is that, yes, we are fighting for you

00:32:50.339 --> 00:32:53.160
now. And you can see us on your screens right

00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.460
now or you can hear us in your ears. But also,

00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.519
if you have eyes to see, you will see that heaven

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.119
is around and about you. They are fighting for

00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.650
you. And it is not just you. And even though

00:33:06.650 --> 00:33:10.430
you may feel alone and isolated, get around people

00:33:10.430 --> 00:33:13.730
like these guys to my right who will champion

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you. And that would be one of my main top tips.

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Find people that are like minded and do not settle

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for people that are less. I believe that an equally

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yoked thing is scripture in the Bible. is not

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just for relationships as in man and wife, but

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also for good relationships. So find good relationships

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and don't stop fighting for that. That is such

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a precious thing, friends, where as soon as you

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find that and you have your people, you can go

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deeper. You know what it says where two or three

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are gathered together. Being gathered together

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means living with each other or not living with,

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but... living in an amount amongst each other

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where you're rubbing up against each other, iron

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sharpening iron. Don't settle for any less of

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a relationship than that. And also another tip

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for me is find leaders that worship and worship

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undignified. And a shout out to David and Emma.

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David Stark is a man that... will worship the

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Lord no matter where he is, no matter what church

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setting. And that is so encouraging for any man,

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any woman, or any person looking going, am I

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going to look like a fool? Or no, my leader's

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already undignified because he wants to be so

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like the Lord. I mean, we have great leaders.

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So that would be another top tip. Absolutely.

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Yeah. I think a couple of things that I think,

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especially with the seer gift, number one, and

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I'm going to speak Gen Z language with this,

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do not gaslight your own discernment. It starts

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there. We have to start in the place of there's

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so many times, so many examples where you go

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into an atmosphere, you feel something that is

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discernment from the Lord. You say it can't be

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true. It can't be true. It can't be true. And

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you gaslit your own discernment. I'm speaking

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to myself here because even in here, there's

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moments. And at the same time, you pair that,

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though. This is the tension of Scripture. You

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pair discernment. with still assuming the best

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until proven otherwise. And that is a hard lesson.

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You have to learn that of, I'm feeling this in

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the atmosphere. I'm feeling accusation, or I'm

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feeling Leviathan in the atmosphere, or maybe

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even using feeling is too much for you. Maybe

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you're seeing something. You're like, I see anger

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in the atmosphere, but no, I'm not going to partner

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with that. What you need to do is first start

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and say, okay, I'm feeling this, or I'm seeing

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this, or I'm discerning this. Whichever language

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best suits you, listener and viewer, start there

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and then take it to the Lord and say, Lord, why?

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What am I feeling? Am I feeling myself? Is there

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something that I need to deal with with you?

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Or am I feeling your heart? And then from that

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place, there's three keys that one of my friends

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that used to love me taught me, which is belief

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awareness and guarding your heart so first step

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into belief i believe i can encounter god come

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on yeah from that place of belief every day i

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have an opportunity to encounter him every moment

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okay now that i believe just simple belief and

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faith let me become aware where is jesus in the

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room where is the spirits in the room where is

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the angelic as i'm driving my car oh i I think

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I see a principality there, but I see God's angel

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here, and I see this angel warring against this.

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I see this messenger. Now I'm stepping into the

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awareness. And if you're wrestling where you

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can't see, you're not discerning, the third piece

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is the guarding your heart. How are you creating

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systems and rhythms of rest, protecting yourself

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so that you're walking in righteousness and keeping

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short accounts, walking in purity? Guarding your

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heart also includes being in your scripture,

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being in your word. But then also you need to

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get a notebook and you need to be writing down

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what you're hearing from God. Sometimes that's

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a simple one -liner and he says, this is what

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you're dealing with in the atmosphere. And you're

00:37:29.010 --> 00:37:30.690
just getting that one -liner and you're writing

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it down. But sometimes it's a novel and you don't

00:37:33.869 --> 00:37:35.550
know until you just start to write out, this

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is what I'm seeing. And then you're asking the

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questions. Why am I seeing this? Who is this

00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:44.119
addressed to? Okay, why am I seeing this thing

00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.099
swirl around Emma? Lord, what is that thing swirling

00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:48.760
around Emma? What do I need to do with that?

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Do I need to let her know of it? Do I need to

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talk to her intercessors? And you're starting

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to engage now with God, with the heavenly hosts

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now, where you're starting to partner with the

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Holy Spirit. And that's where I would say that

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you can start to step into deeper levels of being

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a seer. Very good. Gentlemen, you have richly

00:38:07.269 --> 00:38:09.690
blessed our audience today. Thank you very much.

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And I'm full of ideas in terms of programs for

00:38:17.329 --> 00:38:19.889
the next generation. I think you guys need to

00:38:19.889 --> 00:38:21.949
put your heads together to run. But anyway, thank

00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:24.349
you very much, loyal listeners, for joining us

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