Against All Odds: The Miraculous Journey to Deliverance Pastor Henry Shaffer

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I came to the realization to call on God.

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I said, God, if I don't have the real thing,

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I want the real thing.

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I said, in 2,000 years, we've done something.

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We've changed this.

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It's not real.

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Even though all these people speak and talk,

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it's not real.

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And I said, God, I gotta know.

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I'm not going through this and not have the real thing.

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Pastor Henry Schaefer, it is a pleasure

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to be able to have you here on Charisma Magazine online

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to be able to talk about your journey

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and really this whole thing of deliverance,

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how God has brought you from being just a pastor

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and how God has spoken to you about deliverance

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is your call.

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And so you've been a great influence

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in a lot of people's lives that we're connected with,

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Greg Locke being one of them.

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He mentions you as kind of like a spiritual father,

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a spiritual mentor.

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And so we're honored to be able to talk with you

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and we wanna hear your story.

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And we've talked before actually hitting a record here

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and my faith has already grown as a result

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to your story.

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So welcome here and thank you so much for being here.

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Well, thank you so much for having me.

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I'm honored.

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I'm very humbled to be interviewed by Charisma Magazine.

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And John, I just love your spirit.

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I just love your attitude towards the Lord

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and supernatural things.

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So just thank you so much for having me

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and I'm ready to whatever the Lord wants me to say,

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that's what I wanna say.

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Whatever I do, I want to honor God.

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I wanna represent the kingdom of God in its fullness.

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And that's what I wanna do in the interview.

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Amen.

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Well, pastor, we're gonna talk about

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several different things.

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And one of the things that really stuck out to me

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is your obedience.

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In our previous conversation,

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you talked about how God called you

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to start a radio station.

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And you didn't know anything about that.

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And then God called you into deliverance ministry

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and God gave you an amazing experience.

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I want you to share that story as well.

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But let's start with your call to ministry.

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How did God bring you into being a pastor?

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Okay, well, what happened in my life,

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I grew up in church,

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I grew up in a congregational, a homeless church,

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grew up in a Pentecostal homeless church

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and the church of God.

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So it's all part of the Pentecostal fellowship

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we kind of was around as we were growing up.

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But I had always been exposed to Pentecost

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and the supernatural.

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So I know I can tell you the day

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or the time where I was at

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when the Lord called me to ministry,

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it was like I was 12 years old.

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And it was one of them church services they have.

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And I know I was kneeling down on the front few

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and I heard the Lord speak to me.

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He said, I've called you to preach my word.

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So, at 12 years old, at the end of the service,

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I walked up to my pastor and said,

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pastor I said, and he was closing out the service.

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So I'm standing there looking up at him.

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And I said, I think I just heard the Lord

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call me to ministry.

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So he kind of like patted me on the head there,

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he says, you'll be all right.

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So that right there was kind of like,

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if a pastor didn't believe in me and didn't embrace it,

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then I struggled with it, see what I mean?

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And I've made sure now when people tell me that

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I do not, I embrace their call.

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If they're here in the voice of the Lord,

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then I need to be like Eli and say,

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when he speaks to you say, yes Lord, I'm listening.

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What do you want me to do?

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So anyway, that was my call to the ministry at 12 years old.

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And, but I would struggle with that for a long time.

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And as growing up, I would, you know,

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as teenagers growing up, get in and get out of church,

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things like that.

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I was always knowing what's right and what's wrong.

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And I think that God has a soul ties to you

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that he doesn't let you get too far.

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And then it was in my twenties is really when

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I really got serious with God and I really got some training,

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some biblical training.

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I was living up in Iowa and I was under a ministry there

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in Iowa that, you know, that they, they were there to gear,

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they were there to train five old ministers.

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And in that, in that experience while I was there

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for three and a half years,

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there's where I got most, most of my,

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it's not formal training,

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but it was on the level of seminary training.

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And so I got it there.

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And, but in that, I want to share with you

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in that experience while I was there, I said,

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I just can't have this Lord, you know,

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am I called to the ministry?

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You know, did mama call me, papa call me and all this.

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And I really started seeking God there.

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And in that experience there,

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cause I'm, cause this might be the only time

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I ever get to share this really with people is that,

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and you know, when Paul said in the Bible, he says,

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I don't know if I was in my body or out of my body.

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He said, but I was taken up to the third heaven.

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Well, I can say that it's, I don't know if I was there

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or for your, for your understanding,

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I'm going to say it was a dream,

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but in a dream is when the Lord,

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I had an experience with Jesus and Jesus actually set me

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in my ministry, called me into the ministry.

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In this, most people will, I'm telling you it's a dream,

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but it's more of what is called a theophany.

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Some people, theophanies or theophanies

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where the Lord appeared, like Paul,

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he appears, this is your ministry.

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This is what you will do.

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And many people look for that.

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And, but I didn't look for it, didn't seek it.

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But I just know that this was what my ministry,

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my calling is, is to, you know, so I have no doubt.

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This is, I'm called, this is the ministry.

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I'm gonna walk in it and supernatural things follows.

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It's crazy.

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You know what I mean?

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It just happens.

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And I just, I just want to serve the Lord.

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Well, let's talk about some of those supernatural things.

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And I don't want to, I don't want to skip

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over your story too much, but I do want to,

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we're going to talk about some supernatural things,

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but I want to tell everybody that what Pastor Henry

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has already told me is going to really encourage your faith.

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And so Pastor Henry, just keep on going.

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I just wanted to interject right there.

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Oh yeah.

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So, I mean, just things like that.

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But I think that's one of the things,

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the being called to the ministry.

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There's a lot of people who want to be in ministry.

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A lot of people are called.

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They have this unction or what have you.

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But, you know, I don't know how that,

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I don't know how you get past it because you struggle.

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But if they called you, walk in your calling

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and then just serve the Lord and He'll,

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He will vindicate your calling.

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He will show people that you are one of His

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five-fold ministers in that.

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So anyway, so something I didn't share with you before

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is that I used to work here in Augusta, Georgia over here

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for a large pharmaceutical company.

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And I was there for like 18 years.

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And so I did instrument leptical work.

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And in 2000, the Lord said,

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it's time for you to leave and I want you to go pastor.

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Well, this place is like number three pay

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in the whole CSRA, Central Savannah River area.

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And I came to a little church that couldn't pay my salary,

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barely, hardly pay my salary or much less pay

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for my benefits or anything like that.

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I think we had like 10 people on Wednesday,

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little small church, maybe a whole really company,

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50 people.

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And I took that, I left my job, got my wife,

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we came over to Carolina, Vaucluse, South Carolina

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and pastored a little small church there.

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And we were there for, I don't know, within the first year

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and the Lord spoke to me and He says,

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here's what I want you to do.

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He said, I want you to build a church.

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And I met with my pastor's council

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and they sat like there right there.

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They said, well, where are you gonna get the money at

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to pay for this church?

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I said, well, the Lord didn't tell me that.

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He just told me it's time to build a church.

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I says, y'all don't even have enough faith

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to go to the bank.

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Y'all don't have enough faith to even go to the bank.

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So we went to the bank and we were approved

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for $500,000 because of the property

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and a little bit of money they had set aside.

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When we stepped out and said that we were gonna build

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a church, the flood gates opened and people started coming

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from all over the place and that little bitty building.

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And within the next two years, two and a half years,

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we built 11,500 square foot building up on the bypass.

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Our payments was like $5,000 a month

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when we first went into that thing.

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And the monies was just, the money was coming,

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but there was a war that would set in.

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And the war that would set in was,

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there was a lot of changes happening within the church.

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I was in my mid forties and what was happening was

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they didn't want to change,

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the churches just didn't want the change.

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They had all these new people coming,

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they were losing power, they're losing control.

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And the Lord actually had to,

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some people separated from the church.

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And when they separated from the church, they took money.

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And they thought that, well, we know how to get rid

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of the pastor, we just hold the money.

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Well, they didn't realize that, well, I had been,

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had a career, so I said,

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now I'll just go back to work and pastor.

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So that was a kind of a win-win there.

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But here's what I wanna let you know,

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is that there was times when our payments was still $5,000.

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And I would say, Lord, and I'd meet with the council,

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I say, hey, we got a $5,000 a month payment

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and we don't have the money, so I'm working.

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And I said, we gotta figure out what we're gonna do.

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It'd be like seven or eight o'clock at night.

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And then right there in the little meeting room

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at the front foyer, there'd be a knock on the door

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and I walked to the front door.

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I mean, walk right out the room and say,

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yes, sir, what can I do for you?

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And it was like the Bell South man.

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And he was standing there and he says, listen,

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he said, I've gotta put one of these little boxes,

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telephone connections at the corner of the property.

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I would like to do it on a church.

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He says, but he says,

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we'd like to put it right here on your property.

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He said, would you be open to that?

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He says, we'll pay money for it.

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I said, yes, sir.

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I said, what kind of money are you talking about?

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He says, well, what about $5,000?

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He said, would that be all right?

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So the very thing that we were dealing with,

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knock at the front door, there's the money.

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And this happened to me over and over and over.

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So I know you can cut this out anytime you want.

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So I've gotta tell you, I would go to work.

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Before I go to work, I'd go pray.

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And I say, God, we gotta have money.

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We got to have money to make this thing operate.

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You said, Bill, and it's coming.

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So I would go to church and I'd say, Lord,

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this month we gotta have another $5,000.

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He said, money's in the bank.

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He kept telling me money's in the bank.

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He said, money's in the bank.

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I said, well, I know the money's in the bank.

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Everybody's got the money in the bank.

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You know, the bank's got all the money.

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And I had a lady who was swapping from the old style

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of doing it in a ledger to QuickBooks.

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And she was updating everything like that.

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She called me at work, said, hey, you gotta come to church.

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Get off of church.

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We got something wrong with the books.

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So I came into church.

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And I said, tell me what's going on.

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She said, I'ma tell you.

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She says, you've got more money in the bank

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than what you know.

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I said, what?

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I said, how much?

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She says, you got $5,000 more in the bank

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than what you think.

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I said, how did it happen?

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She says, they made a deposit

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and forgot to write the deposit down in the checkbook.

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She says, you got 5,000 more.

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See, over and over and over,

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it had always been just like this.

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And God has always shown up to make things happen

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because I didn't call myself to build that church.

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The next thing is, of course,

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interest rates go down, our payments are well manageable now

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and things like that.

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And then after we got the church built,

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I want you to think about it.

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It took several years to build the church.

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We got actually in an 05.

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We started there in 2000, in 05.

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And at the end of that,

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because I've always wanted to do something

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because I've always worked construction or building.

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And I said, Lord, what else you want?

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The church is built, what do you want me to do?

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And the Lord spoke to me about,

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I told you about facing the giants.

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And when the movie came out and he started saying,

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I want you to build me a radio station.

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And it was right at the end, the heels of the church building.

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And he says, now I want you to build a radio station.

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So I said, I've never done anything like that.

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And he says, you'll be facing giants.

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And like I said in the past, we went to Washington DC,

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had to hire an FCC lawyer.

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The radio station covers 1.4 million people

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in the Augusta, Georgia market.

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And what happens is we won the bid.

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We're supposed to have paid 200,000.

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We got up for 20,000.

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And the first time bidders, we made it,

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they reduced it to 13,000.

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And we, the $7,000 that was left over paid our lawyer.

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Oh, the first donation we got to the radio station

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after that was 13,000.

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I asked the person, I said, why did you give 13,000?

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He says, well, isn't that what you pay for the radio station?

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Say, God wanted to give you money back.

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So the first donation came in was

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the amount that we paid for it.

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So, you know, God's not gonna be a debtor to nobody.

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So I'm just letting you know, he's not a debtor to nobody.

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So trust the Lord with your money

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and he'll make sure you get it back.

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He's not a debtor.

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He'll take care, he takes care of the people.

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So we got the radio station and we've been on radio now

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since 2014, started in 07, got to 2014.

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And just as soon as 2014 ended up, it was July of 2014,

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is when I had that a supernatural experience.

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I was called to go to Diverville, Mississippi.

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And when I was in Mississippi,

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I was preaching about the supernatural things

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that I had seen about God, gifts of the Holy Spirit,

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words of wisdom, words of knowledge,

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discerning of spirits and miracles,

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and gifts of faith, operation,

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and all types of things I was sharing.

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And those things became so prevalent

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that they were so shocking to me.

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I said, God, why am I experiencing so much of this?

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And here's what he said.

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He said, how else will you teach others

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unless you have experienced at least one time in your life?

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So I said, there would be times when I would,

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I'd be praying, like he told me

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that how to stir the gifts up

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was praying the Holy Spirit, praying in tongues.

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And I'd get up every morning,

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I pray in the spirit like an hour every morning,

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praying in tongues, praying in tongues,

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stirring up the gift.

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He said, this is the doorway to the supernatural.

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The more you pray, the more supernatural happens.

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Little praying, little supernatural.

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And I was praying and then,

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and I was telling the story of something like this is,

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I came home from work, I fell on my knees,

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I gotta go to church,

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wanna make sure my heart's right.

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And in this incident that happened,

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in this period of time,

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is that all of a sudden a window opened up,

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opened up like this.

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And I was in my bedroom on the floor,

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it's kind of like dark, about 530,

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you know how when the winter hits, it's kind of dark.

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And I was praying, I said, Lord,

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here's my prayer.

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And yeah, I wasn't seeking the Lord,

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I'm like, oh God, show me, show me, show me, use me.

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Cause I did that in the morning,

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now I'm here, I'm coming home at the end of the day,

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God, I wanna make sure there's no sin in my life.

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I wanna make sure there's nothing wrong,

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there's nothing before I go to church

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that would hinder anything, you know?

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And so what happens is,

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all of a sudden a window opens up as I'm praying,

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I'm kneeling over a pillow, opens up like this.

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And he shows me a woman from her waist up,

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her hair or earrings.

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He shows me everything about her.

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And he starts speaking to me.

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And I'm talking about speaking to him,

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and he says, she's been to several dentists,

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they don't know what's wrong with her.

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He says, I want you to stand up and call her out.

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He says, I want you to tell her, ask her,

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does she believe I'll fill her teeth?

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And he says, tell her I'm gonna fill her teeth.

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This is crazy, brother.

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Heavenly filling of my choice.

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And he says, when she responds to you, yes,

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he says, you're to lay hands on her

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or to receive her healing.

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And he says, do you understand?

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And I'm seeing this in an open-eyed vision.

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I said, yes, Lord, I understand.

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And I said this here, please don't laugh at me, brother.

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I said, Lord, you can show me all this.

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I said, what color shoes would this woman have on?

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And he said, blue high heels.

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He says, you understand?

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Went away.

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I said, oh my God.

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I said, I've only read this in books

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where God would show them, say, you gotta really,

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this is what kind of stuff was happening to me

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is that where God could show you a word of wisdom

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of what he wanted you to do, you know, in very detail.

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So I go to church that night, sitting on the front row,

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my friend sitting right here next to me.

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We're talking as the church begins and he bumps my arm.

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And when he bumps my arm, I turn and look

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and I see this woman does, she bumps my arm.

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I turn and look and that was the view

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that I saw in the vision.

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And I looked at him and I said, brother,

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that's what color shoes that woman have on.

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He leaned over and said, blue high heels.

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So those are the kinds of things that I was teaching about

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in Mississippi about how God can use the gift

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of the Holy Spirit for his plans and purposes

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through words of wisdom, words of knowledge,

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and how you can stir this up because this is the supernatural.

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We're part of a supernatural body.

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And I was teaching about yielding to the Holy Spirit

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and letting him use you.

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And then at the end of that service,

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this is where it comes in at, at the end of that.

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And I prayed for everybody that night.

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It's the African-American church,

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hold about a hundred people.

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And man, I'm telling you, they make you pray for everybody.

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I'm telling you, I love praying.

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I love going to church.

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So at the end of the service, they brought a man in

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who had never walked.

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Two men totaled him in, they were carrying him like,

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it was like in a seat, totaling him in,

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one on each side, set him on the front row

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and they challenged the Lord.

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They said, you, the pastor, he says, you pray,

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you preach about this supernatural God, pray for him.

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And he was not in the church service.

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He was sitting in a side room somewhere.

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He'd never been there all night.

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So all I did was I asked him,

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and all I did is laid hands on his head.

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This is all I knew to do.

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I rebuked the evil spirits that was tormenting him.

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I had enough understanding that demons cause sickness.

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I don't know where all these people have a problem

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with demons, you know what I mean, and sickness.

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I don't understand why they can't see the connection.

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Jesus showed us in the Bible.

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Well, anyway, I laid hands on him, rebuked the evil spirits.

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And I said, Lord, I pray that you give the man a miracle.

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And I looked at him and I says, do you want to walk?

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And he nodded his head.

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Now he's slobbering because I mean, he's just that,

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that's how sick he was.

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So I stuck my hand out like that.

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And I said, grab my hand and his arms shook like that.

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And his arm grew out and he grabbed my hand.

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And I said, now his knees are to his chest.

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I says, do you want to stand?

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He nodded his head and I pulled him.

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I said, let's stand.

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And when I did his knees shook.

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It was crazy seeing this like this here

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and his legs grew out and touched the floor.

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And I pulled on him.

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And when we pulled on him, he stood up

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and we walked across the front of the church.

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And that, and the church came unglued.

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I see in my mind, I see in my mind,

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in a cartoon, you ever seen a cartoon building

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when they're on inside and the cart,

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the building's going like that in the cartoon.

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It was bad.

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They were screaming.

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They were screaming.

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I'm talking about shouting.

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And it was like pandemonium in that place

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because see they knew him, I didn't.

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And we just walked across the front of the church.

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And that was the setting up of deliverance for me.

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Cause I'd always believed in it,

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but I knew that I had missed something.

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And I'm telling the churches missed it.

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You know what I think, you know what I think it is, John?

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The church is not hungry anymore.

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They're not hungry for the supernatural.

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They're not hungry for the real.

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It's not music, it's not music, it's not lights.

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And we have that.

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That's not it.

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You understand that's not, you can have that.

507
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You can have all the things of God without all that.

508
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That makes sense.

509
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Yeah.

510
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Brother, I have two questions.

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I want to talk about this need for the hunger again.

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That's it.

513
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,360
I have two questions about that experience from that night.

514
00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:07,480
First, you had that vision, that open vision

515
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,000
with this lady with the blue high heels.

516
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,040
I want to know what happened with her.

517
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:13,320
So what happened?

518
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,400
Okay, what happened?

519
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,280
How long was that man in that condition?

520
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,560
Oh, how long we seen that condition?

521
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,640
I don't know how long he was.

522
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,360
You know, how many years he'd been like that?

523
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:26,760
Well, he was like in his forties.

524
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,640
He was in his forties.

525
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,040
And the woman, yes, I did get to talk with the woman.

526
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,360
And yeah, sure enough, it happened like she had problems

527
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:36,200
with her teeth and things like that.

528
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,040
And, you know, so, I mean, that's what I know about her.

529
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:45,040
But the man is, you know, he walked.

530
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,200
And after that, it was kind of like,

531
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,720
I don't know if that was for everybody else,

532
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,640
but it was for me.

533
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,520
You know what I mean?

534
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,440
It experienced with me to really drive me

535
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,240
to something deeper.

536
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,560
And, you know, there are times that I have learned,

537
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,080
and I don't know about these,

538
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080
there are times when God does a miracle,

539
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,760
not that I've been a part of,

540
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040
but he's done things where the enemy comes back

541
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,800
and regains the ground.

542
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,280
And I think that is because that we don't understand

543
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,400
spiritual warfare is because like Jesus said,

544
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,880
when a spirit leaves and something happens,

545
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,720
that it will try to come back.

546
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,320
And if it does come back, it will come back worse.

547
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,320
So that's where keeping out,

548
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,080
and I think that's where the faith comes in

549
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,040
to reject the enemy and don't let him come back in

550
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,880
to those things.

551
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,080
Does that make sense what I'm saying?

552
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:37,920
Absolutely, yeah.

553
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:38,760
Yeah.

554
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,600
So the hunger.

555
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560
So let's talk about the hunger and the need for that.

556
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,840
Because I think that's one of the things

557
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,760
that we really deal with and why there's such a blind need

558
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,040
for spiritual warfare and a blind need for deliverance.

559
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,560
We're just blinded to that.

560
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,600
So let's talk about that.

561
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,440
So let me, I mean, if you really wanna know what happened

562
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,440
is here I am in mid to late thirties.

563
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,200
I speak in tongues, I pray in tongues,

564
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,440
but I came to the realization to myself

565
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,560
and I really came to myself and I said,

566
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,840
I don't believe I have the baptism of the Holy Ghost

567
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,480
speaking in tongues.

568
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,040
I don't have it.

569
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680
And I came to the realization to call on God.

570
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600
I said, God, if I don't have the real thing,

571
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:29,720
I want the real thing.

572
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,000
I said, in 2000 years, we've done something.

573
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,720
We've changed this.

574
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,760
It's not real.

575
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,360
Even though all these people speak in tongues,

576
00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:38,200
it's not real.

577
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,440
And I said, God, I got to know.

578
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,280
I got that.

579
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,640
I'm not going through this and not have the real thing.

580
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,520
And so I was in my bedroom on a Tuesday.

581
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:49,760
I worked shift and all.

582
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,080
I was on a Tuesday and I was praying

583
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,880
and just as soon as the word of the Lord came to me,

584
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,000
he says, there's a revival going across town.

585
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,920
I want you to be there tonight.

586
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,360
I have a word for you.

587
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,120
I said, oh my God, see, I can hear him talking to me.

588
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,800
I said, ooh, look here.

589
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,440
So I come out of my bedroom.

590
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,920
I go into the kitchen there with my wife.

591
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,800
I said, hey, I just heard from the Lord,

592
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,360
there's a revival going across town.

593
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,880
I'm supposed to be across town.

594
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,400
And the Lord has a word for me.

595
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,320
I says, you wanna go?

596
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,400
And here's what my wife says, Sister Shaver,

597
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
we've been married 49 years and she's just a gem.

598
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840
I'm telling you, I got the pick of the whole litter.

599
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,040
I got the best one and of everybody.

600
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,960
But she said this year, she said, did he tell you to go?

601
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,800
I go, yeah.

602
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,960
He said, well, I'm not going to.

603
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,600
I said, okay.

604
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,880
So I drove 40 miles across town.

605
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,200
I go into a church, it holds 300 people.

606
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,680
It was like 10 people there.

607
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,160
And I walk in, it's an old man.

608
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,880
He's in his seventies and here's what he said.

609
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,440
He sat down, he got ready to preach.

610
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,800
He said, I don't know who this is for,

611
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,360
but this is the only thing I'm gonna preach

612
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,680
is what he gives me.

613
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280
And he's telling me to whoever's here to tell you

614
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,080
to stir up the gift that he's given you, stir it up.

615
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,400
And I knew exactly what that meant.

616
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,040
That meant the gift of the Holy Spirit he had given me,

617
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,160
that means stir it up.

618
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,360
And so I would go home from that point on

619
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,320
and it would be like three months every morning.

620
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,360
I'd get up, I pray in the Holy Ghost an hour every morning.

621
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:19,880
I said, Lord, you told me to stir it up.

622
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:43,840
And I just start praying in tongues.

623
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,600
That the baptism of the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues is real.

624
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,480
And here's the thing he says, these signs

625
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,640
would follow them that believe.

626
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,240
So I was to the point to where I'm saying,

627
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,880
there's nothing happening supernatural in my life.

628
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,680
So I don't have it.

629
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,120
You know, every now and then something small,

630
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,280
I said, I don't have it.

631
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,160
But now I got no doubt in my mind.

632
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,200
And even some people have told me that

633
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,200
when I speak in tongues and I do YouTube,

634
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,560
and you know, I'm at church

635
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,120
and I start speaking in tongues on the,

636
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,680
they'll go there and they'll say,

637
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,720
he's speaking in an Arabic language.

638
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,040
YouTubers say that he's speaking in Arabic language.

639
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,040
Yeah, and things like that.

640
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,520
So the thing is, is that I want to encourage you,

641
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,760
don't let the enemy try to tell you that you don't have it.

642
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
You do have it, stir it up.

643
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,360
That's the power.

644
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,640
That's the doorway to the supernatural.

645
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,680
He's like the apostles.

646
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,520
He told them, don't go anywhere.

647
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
They try to preach, to try to cast out demons

648
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,240
or do anything of the supernatural

649
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,960
till you go to the upper room and you'll receive power.

650
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,040
So being baptized in the Holy Ghost, you have this.

651
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,160
You got to stir it up.

652
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,920
He told him in the Bible, we got to stir this up.

653
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,160
And the more you stir it up, listen, watch what God does.

654
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,840
He will vindicate his own word.

655
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,320
And these sounds will follow those that believe.

656
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,080
So you have to get past the point where I was at.

657
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,960
I'm not seeing anything.

658
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,920
And you got to recognize your own deficit

659
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,120
in your own ministry and your own life.

660
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,800
And you start doing a reality check

661
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,960
and then this will stir it up

662
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,920
and things will start happening.

663
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,520
Is this okay?

664
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:18,840
This is powerful, brother.

665
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,200
This is really good.

666
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,880
This is the way this thing works.

667
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,760
When you started stirring this up

668
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,600
and you started praying in the Holy Spirit

669
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,480
for an hour every morning.

670
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,320
Every morning.

671
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Let's talk about deliverance.

672
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,120
Let's talk about, obviously as God is giving you things

673
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,720
to say, you have a radio station.

674
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,320
So that requires a lot of talking

675
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,640
and it's not a radio station that's music.

676
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,360
It's the word of God going forth.

677
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:45,200
That's right.

678
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,600
So you're talking about stirring up

679
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,240
the gift that is within you.

680
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,560
Yes.

681
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,000
Let's dive deeper into that

682
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440
and how you've been training other people.

683
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,240
You've been, people have been grabbing ahold of this

684
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,720
and you're seeing more and more things happening

685
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,120
as people are stirring up the gifts.

686
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:04,960
Yes.

687
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,840
So, I don't know if we're gonna leapfrog here or anything,

688
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,640
but I understand that the doorway to the supernatural

689
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,040
is praying in the Holy Spirit.

690
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,120
I would say, I would read books

691
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,840
about supernatural things happening.

692
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,640
And I would just say, Lord, I want the gift of miracles.

693
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,680
I want this and I, Lord, I desire earnestly

694
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,320
the spiritual gifts and all of these power gifts.

695
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,960
So I was desiring that.

696
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,600
I mean, I had the desire, but it wasn't happening.

697
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,080
I said, why isn't it happening, Lord?

698
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,920
I want it.

699
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,040
And he said, this is, you got to stir this up.

700
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,320
And when you stir this up, it activates all those nine gifts

701
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,800
and they come about in the need.

702
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,280
When you have need of them, the Holy Spirit knows

703
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,320
what you've done, what you need

704
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,040
and that the spiritual gift will operate.

705
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,400
I mean, there'll be time, listen here,

706
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,520
there'll be times that I was at work, you know,

707
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,160
witnessing to people.

708
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,400
And I was witnessing to a man in my office.

709
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,640
I had a big office there and had a couple of desks

710
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800
that other people could share because they worked for me

711
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,640
right there.

712
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,080
And I'm talking about the gospel.

713
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,960
And this guy was super intelligent.

714
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,520
You could tell he was very smart.

715
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,880
And I didn't know how smart he was.

716
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,840
And I was sharing to him about the gospel

717
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,760
and the Holy Spirit quickened me.

718
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640
And he says, don't speak to him like that.

719
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
He has an IQ of 120.

720
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,160
I knew exactly what that meant with the IQ scale.

721
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,680
So I scaled back the way I was speaking to him.

722
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,640
And I was, you know, people who are very intelligent,

723
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
you cannot leave anything out.

724
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920
It's this, this, and I talked about the gospel,

725
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,960
the Old Testament, the sacrifice and the blood

726
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
and taking away, you know, covering a sin and Jesus.

727
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,440
And he needed every bit of that.

728
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,720
See, most people who have a just normal IQ,

729
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
we can all fill in the blanks.

730
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,640
See what I mean?

731
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,800
This guy couldn't.

732
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,800
So, and I adjusted the way I was sharing the gospel with him.

733
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,440
And then a couple of days later, unbeknownst to him,

734
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,480
I said, let me ask you a question

735
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,040
with just a regular conversation.

736
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,240
I said, let me ask you a question.

737
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,280
I said, is your IQ 120?

738
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,080
He looked at me and he says, how did you know that?

739
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,840
I said, I have ways of finding out.

740
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,680
You see, but I'm telling you that like a word of knowledge

741
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,760
in the moment you need it, that's what I was stirring up.

742
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,760
See, those kinds of things like that is how he does it.

743
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,200
And there was a lot of those, so many other things

744
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,960
that I was teaching that night about things like this.

745
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,280
This is available to the body of Christ.

746
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,480
This is what we need operating.

747
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Now I'm not talking about being plugged in below

748
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,320
into some new age thing.

749
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,720
I'm talking about being plugged in

750
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,800
or being empowered by the Holy Spirit.

751
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,920
That's what I'm talking about.

752
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Well, I want to talk about that.

753
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Because you said you mentioned about plugged in below

754
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,680
versus plugged in above.

755
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
I think there's, as you look on YouTube,

756
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,600
as you look on social media now,

757
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,360
you're seeing a lot of things that look good,

758
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,360
that look innocent, manifesting people

759
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,800
that are just believing

760
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,960
and this whole power of positive thinking.

761
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,480
And there is biblical parts of that,

762
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,400
but it's also been manipulated.

763
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,640
Brother, let's talk about discernment

764
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,200
and how you can look at these things

765
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520
and see what is God and what is not.

766
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,520
I love it because I did a teaching here.

767
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640
It was, I think, in June of last year, 23,

768
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,480
and it's called Pentecost.

769
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,320
I do a conference.

770
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,320
The odd months of the year, one, three, five, whatever,

771
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,520
whatever the, I do the odd months of the year,

772
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,800
I do a conference at our church, a deliverance training.

773
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,120
They come from everywhere.

774
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Well, one of those was Pentecost.

775
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,120
And I taught the importance

776
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,320
that if you're gonna operate in the gifts

777
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,960
of the Holy Spirit, the importance

778
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200
of going through deliverance.

779
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,640
Now, let me share a moment to you this year.

780
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,280
So I've taken a lot of people through deliverance.

781
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,320
I've learned a lot of things.

782
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,000
So I know of this one, I know these individuals,

783
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,320
these are pastors.

784
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,040
And as I'm taking them through deliverance,

785
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,040
and because they do not struggle with having to believe

786
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,360
whether a Christian can have a spirit or not.

787
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,680
They know, they know there's something wrong with them.

788
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,600
You know, it's like there's pastors who battle pornography

789
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,600
and they preach holiness and they love God,

790
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,680
but this is an area of their life that is not

791
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,840
that something's there that they can't break.

792
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,920
And see, this is what deliverance does.

793
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,400
And the thing is for you to say that it's not there

794
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
is to deny all the people I pray for.

795
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,400
So you can't help them.

796
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,280
So that's why they come to us so we can break

797
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,040
and call out that spirit of pornography

798
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,040
that's going to feed every two to three months.

799
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,640
I think it's gonna feed.

800
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,760
And it's gonna break down that barrier you got.

801
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,120
You're gonna mess up and you're gonna repent.

802
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,400
And about two or three months, it's gonna happen again.

803
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,520
We'll see, that's what deliverance does.

804
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Deliverance reaches in, calls that thing out.

805
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,880
Now you can not have, it's being on the outside,

806
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,560
it's not on the inside.

807
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,520
And you can resist it.

808
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,800
You can't resist what's on the inside.

809
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
You can resist only what's on the outside.

810
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
So you can only push down what's on the inside.

811
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,120
So I would pray for them like pornography,

812
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,960
let's stay with the gifts.

813
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,280
This one here was prophecy.

814
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,600
This guy, man, he can prophesy.

815
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
And all of a sudden, as I'm taking him through deliverance,

816
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680
a spirit comes up of divination.

817
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,560
And I said, who are you?

818
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:43,880
He said, I'm divination.

819
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,120
I said, well, I made him renounce, let's call.

820
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,080
He says, no, he needs me.

821
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,920
And I said, no, I don't need you, get out of me.

822
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320
And that spirit of divination came out.

823
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,760
So here's what's happening.

824
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,600
It's because people do not submit to deliverance.

825
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,640
It's what happens is that operating in the spirit of God,

826
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,000
in the true gift of God, then all of a sudden, here we go,

827
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,800
they shift into something that's not holy.

828
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,240
You see this thing moves in and out like that.

829
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:12,600
This is the way this thing here works.

830
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,240
And I'm telling you, the way Pastor Henry did it,

831
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,680
I said, who took him through deliverance?

832
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,720
Who, tell me who took him through deliverance?

833
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:21,040
Have they been through deliverance?

834
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,320
And if they say, well, I said, well, how long?

835
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Oh, about 10 minutes.

836
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,360
I said, no, I ain't listening to none of that.

837
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,360
Because the enemy knows how to get into the gifts

838
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,680
of the Holy Spirit functioning in things like this here.

839
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,400
So, the Bible talks about how that sweet water and bitter,

840
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,200
how can it come out of the same fountain?

841
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,600
It's not saying that it's impossible.

842
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,440
He's saying that if sweet water or bitter comes out

843
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,280
of the same fountain, something's wrong with the fountain.

844
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,120
That's what he's trying to teach.

845
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,280
That's what he's trying to teach.

846
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,560
So, clean out the fountain.

847
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,080
And this is what deliverance does.

848
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,920
So, that's prophecy, that's gifts of the Holy Spirit,

849
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,920
and things like that.

850
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,680
Everyone needs to go through deliverance,

851
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,360
especially if you operate in, of course, baptism

852
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,280
and Holy Ghost speaking and going through deliverance.

853
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,360
So, here's what I wanna share with you

854
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,640
about having the conference.

855
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,400
So, we had one in June, I think it was,

856
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,600
or May or June of last year.

857
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560
And so, there's people, we have 100 people here.

858
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,960
And now, this is not during the church service.

859
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,280
I'm teaching Friday.

860
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,880
I'm teaching about the need for deliverance.

861
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,400
I'm teaching deliverance.

862
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,840
I'm talking about how you gotta get this stuff out of you

863
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,320
and that if you're gonna do deliverance,

864
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,440
you need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

865
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,240
And at the end, that, and during Saturday,

866
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,520
okay, let's stop right now.

867
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,760
Everybody who wants to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost

868
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,680
come to the front.

869
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120
65 people come to the front.

870
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,680
No music, none of this here, that's none of that.

871
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,640
I said, raise your hands to heaven and say,

872
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,440
Lord, I wanna receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost,

873
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,600
evidence of speaking.

874
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,920
These people had never received the Holy Spirit.

875
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,920
65 people at one time received the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

876
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,920
I just came from Tennessee.

877
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,480
You may, it's like double digits or minus wind chill.

878
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,840
We're up there, people come from Canada everywhere.

879
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:17,880
Little small church.

880
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,680
I'm taking, training 50, 60 people.

881
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,280
And on Sunday morning, I said,

882
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,520
how many wanna receive the Holy Spirit?

883
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,840
And have never prayed and never spoke in tongues.

884
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,440
It's like 20 people walked to the front.

885
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,000
I said, raise your hands to heaven.

886
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
And now they done went through deliverance.

887
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,000
See, they done went through deliverance.

888
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,280
They've been trained.

889
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,600
And we pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit.

890
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,920
20 people at one time.

891
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,080
This church is a man that's gonna do this here.

892
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,120
And they're Pentecostal.

893
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,880
They won't have nobody a whole year,

894
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,600
baptizing the Holy Ghost.

895
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,880
See, this, if you will get

896
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160
and take people through deliverance first,

897
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,000
get the bad stuff out of them.

898
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,960
I'm not talking about they're not saved.

899
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,560
They've got stuff in them that's resisting.

900
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,760
And get that out of them,

901
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,720
they easily receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

902
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,400
But they gotta be, and these people are hungry for it.

903
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,600
You know, how can people, people were saying,

904
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,640
well, we need to cancel the conference

905
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,960
that's going on in Tennessee.

906
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,360
And I said, no, there are people flying in from Canada.

907
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,120
They don't care how cold it is.

908
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,000
They're coming, they wanna be trained.

909
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,960
They wanna know more about what's going on.

910
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,920
Have I got off track here?

911
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,480
Oh no, brother, you're right on track.

912
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,440
We're heading to the right destination for sure.

913
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,840
So that's what needs to happen.

914
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,560
That you gotta be hungry for it,

915
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,160
but everybody needs to go through deliverance.

916
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,560
And when I watch that on YouTube, I'm going,

917
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,400
that ain't right.

918
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,600
That ain't right.

919
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,160
That's not the Holy Spirit.

920
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,480
I said, that's another spirit.

921
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,120
And the thing is, is because you gotta realize,

922
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,000
I'm in my sixties and you got, listen,

923
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,160
you got people who were in their twenties and thirties

924
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,960
and they're teaching you, they still novice.

925
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,480
I'm just saying they're just novice.

926
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,680
I look back and I go, that's new age.

927
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,240
You say, you know, I just didn't fall off.

928
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,280
I just didn't come out of this.

929
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,520
You understand what I'm getting at?

930
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

931
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,480
And a lot of people can see it.

932
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,440
They can see it as well.

933
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,240
So that's just because, the word is to be cautious,

934
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,840
don't believe every spirit.

935
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,120
And everyone needs to go through deliverance,

936
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
a level of deliverance in that.

937
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Yeah.

938
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,080
So yeah, there's so much out there that is the counterfeit,

939
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,840
but that means if there's a counterfeit,

940
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,560
then there's a real as well.

941
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,280
And so, you know, Pastor Henry,

942
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,440
let's talk more about the real,

943
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,160
because you had a real encounter with the Lord.

944
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,080
And I don't think we talked about that in this recording.

945
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,680
We talked about that before we started recording,

946
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,480
where you had an encounter with the Lord.

947
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Let's talk about the real deal.

948
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,760
Oh yeah, as far as like being called to ministry.

949
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,600
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,120
So, I mean, I was in my twenties

952
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,800
and I was seeking the Lord because, you know,

953
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,640
I was struggling about the call to ministry.

954
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,680
And I said, I can't do this just based off, you know,

955
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,960
I just hear Lord an unction,

956
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,480
you're telling me this here.

957
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,800
And I really got serious, started seeking the Lord.

958
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,680
And as I told you in the past that,

959
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,040
that night when I went to sleep,

960
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,840
and I can tell you whether it was a dream,

961
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
and when Paul says, I don't know if I was in my body

962
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,240
or out of my body, but I was taken up to the third heaven.

963
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:24,720
And I understand that because for simplicity of you saying,

964
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:25,560
what, I don't believe in that.

965
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Well, let's just call it a dream then,

966
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,720
but it was more than that.

967
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:33,120
And actually what happened is that I was standing

968
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,400
on the side of a grassy knoll.

969
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,240
It was sunshiny day.

970
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,120
And my mom was out there with me

971
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,840
and it was beautiful day out there.

972
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,360
And all of a sudden she pointed and pointed up to the sky.

973
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,840
And she says, look, I looked up in the sky

974
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,640
and I saw the Lord in the sky standing in the clouds.

975
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,360
And I started running towards that.

976
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,800
And then all of a sudden I remember the teaching

977
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,120
that when Jesus comes, it will take faith to go up.

978
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,640
It's gonna take faith.

979
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920
And I said, I believe in right when I did it,

980
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,080
I released off the ground.

981
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,480
I was this crazy, but I started going up into the sky.

982
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,520
And as I started going up into the sky, I got way high.

983
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,000
And I did my arms like this, took my eyes off the Lord.

984
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,520
And I looked at my arm.

985
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,160
I said, look what I'm doing.

986
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,800
And then all of a sudden I realized,

987
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:20,640
oh, that's not a good thing.

988
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,000
I started falling back down, but I looked way out

989
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,000
and there was a huge skyscraper that he had went in.

990
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,320
And windows had opened, he went right in.

991
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,280
And I came across and went right into the same window.

992
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,320
When I walked in, I just stepped in,

993
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,960
there was a huge hallway.

994
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,920
And there was people walking back and forth,

995
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:42,920
left and right.

996
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,800
And he was standing right in the middle.

997
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400
And they were bumping into him.

998
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,280
And he was just standing there.

999
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,120
And I wanted to go to him so bad.

1000
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,520
I mean, I knew who he was, they didn't.

1001
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,280
And he says, they don't know who I am.

1002
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,920
He says, but you'll be the one who tells them who I am.

1003
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,080
And immediately that moment I woke up

1004
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,600
or came back to myself and I went, oh my God.

1005
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,600
I mean, it was like I was there.

1006
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,920
And I didn't tell my wife right off the bat.

1007
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,320
I told her like, no, later on that day.

1008
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,440
And I said, I gotta tell you something that happened.

1009
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,720
And then I told her, she said, oh, we gotta tell the pastor.

1010
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,800
So I told the pastor where I went to church at there.

1011
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,960
I was shared with him what had happened.

1012
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,960
And he looked at me and he says, this happened to you?

1013
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,200
I go, yes, sir.

1014
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,480
And so there are people who believe in a theophany.

1015
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,960
I didn't know what it was.

1016
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,320
And in that you're called into a five-fold office

1017
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,280
through a direct call from Jesus.

1018
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,240
And I didn't know what all that meant and everything.

1019
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,320
So that's what happened to me.

1020
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,280
And from that moment on, everything that I do,

1021
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,760
it's like, I just do what he tells me to do.

1022
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:52,960
And it worked.

1023
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,880
Not that I don't have, bro, I've had some bad,

1024
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,880
I've had some struggles, but it's because,

1025
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,880
and I know my calling.

1026
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,840
So not everybody's call is gonna be like that.

1027
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,040
But if the Lord has called you,

1028
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,280
then seek the Lord walking the calling that you've heard,

1029
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,920
heard his voice and God will vindicate your call

1030
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,360
into ministry.

1031
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,160
Not everybody who takes a platform's call of the Lord,

1032
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,360
many of our mama call, papa call,

1033
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,400
their call of themselves.

1034
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,520
And I wasn't called to myself.

1035
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,560
I didn't wanna do it.

1036
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,720
Just doing this interview, I go,

1037
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,000
God has to make me do it

1038
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,160
because I don't wanna promote myself.

1039
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,000
You know what I mean?

1040
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,480
But I wanna tell you about him.

1041
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,080
He's the one that does it all.

1042
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Jesus does.

1043
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920
I wanna thank you for sharing more in depth

1044
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,040
about that encounter with the Lord.

1045
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,880
And God's used you to help other people

1046
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,920
encounter the Lord in a powerful way.

1047
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,320
And one of those people has been Pastor Greg Locke,

1048
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,400
who's one of our authors here at Charisma.

1049
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,280
And he went from being a cessationist

1050
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,680
to being a continuationist

1051
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,840
because he had some things that he encountered

1052
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,280
that he could not explain beyond just,

1053
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,920
God is still alive today.

1054
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:10,480
God is, the Holy Spirit is moving.

1055
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,800
And God used you to help him a lot

1056
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
and to help him kind of figure this stuff out.

1057
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,320
Can you talk a little bit about that experience

1058
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,640
and your connection with him?

1059
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Yes, because I like to take it back,

1060
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,960
if you let me take it back.

1061
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,800
Remember the radio station?

1062
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,760
And so God, all of this here

1063
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,320
is God setting up his plans for the future.

1064
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,560
And at the, I don't wanna get political here,

1065
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,280
but at the end of the, was it 2020 election,

1066
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,800
is the Lord spoke to me and he told me,

1067
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,800
he said, here's what I want you to do.

1068
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,600
He said, take the resource I gave you

1069
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,520
and I want you to broadcast the truth of what happened.

1070
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,840
So, and so what I did is I connected with

1071
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Clay Clark Reopen America Tour.

1072
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,760
I don't know if you know them or not,

1073
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,720
but okay, so behind the scenes, I was radio.

1074
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,200
Now this is FCC license.

1075
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,120
This is not internet radio.

1076
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,920
This is FCC license and we do broadcast on the web as well,

1077
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,080
but it's a real FCC license.

1078
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,400
So it's real media.

1079
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,800
It's the real deal, y'all.

1080
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,720
You know what I mean?

1081
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,480
So I connect with them and they allow me

1082
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,800
to interview all of these people.

1083
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,800
I mean, Roger Stone, Mike Lindell,

1084
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,480
all of these people and their Christian experience.

1085
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
So we would go and we would broadcast

1086
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,600
about their Christian experiences

1087
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,440
and how that good people need to get involved

1088
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,520
in our country.

1089
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,960
That's pretty much what it was all about.

1090
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,960
And in that, I got on, I would see Greg Locke,

1091
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,760
but you know, he was a passion.

1092
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,320
I knew his badness.

1093
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,400
I knew he was badness, but it didn't matter to me.

1094
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,160
At that point, it is good people need to get involved

1095
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,000
in our country.

1096
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,280
I don't care what you believe.

1097
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,760
And that was it.

1098
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,560
And so I had met him.

1099
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,120
We'd only talked very briefly.

1100
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,880
You and I have talked more than I had talked with him

1101
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,840
until that point already.

1102
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,880
You know what I mean?

1103
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,480
And I think I interviewed him one time

1104
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,840
and you know, he had a great following

1105
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:10,760
and all of that.

1106
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,800
And then I asked him to come to the church.

1107
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,280
I got him on television here at WBPI.

1108
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,160
I come in and he was doing a book thing.

1109
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,880
I said, come on in, do your book thing there on television.

1110
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,240
We had a little conference we did here.

1111
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,280
I said, come by the church and I says, and do your spiel.

1112
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,040
I mean, do your, everybody needs to get involved.

1113
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,160
So he comes to the church.

1114
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,800
We had a full church that night on a Friday

1115
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,840
and I let him do his whole thing.

1116
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,000
I do not get involved.

1117
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,280
I don't even go to the front.

1118
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,760
It's all, this is all Greg Locke

1119
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,760
and our ministry there, Global Vision.

1120
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,560
And so at the end of that, I'm in the foyer

1121
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,840
as I'm standing in the foyer, the Lord spoke to me

1122
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,320
and he says, take Greg Locke in your office

1123
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,240
and talk to him about deliverance.

1124
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,280
I said, he don't even believe, he don't even believe,

1125
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,560
he don't even believe in none of this.

1126
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,120
He says, take him in your office.

1127
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,640
So I said, Greg, I said, can I meet with you just a moment?

1128
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,080
So I took him in my office and I sat down

1129
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,960
and I started talking with him.

1130
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,640
And here's what I told him.

1131
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,720
I said, I explained to him about the man's arms and legs

1132
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,640
and the things that I had seen.

1133
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,760
And here's what I told him.

1134
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,960
I said, Greg, I said, God wants to bring

1135
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,600
a different kind of freedom to his people through you,

1136
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,320
other than the freedom we're talking about in the country.

1137
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,440
He wants to bring a different kind of freedom

1138
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,760
and it's the freedom of deliverance.

1139
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
He wants to use you to do it.

1140
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,920
And I started sharing with him about the things

1141
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,480
that I had seen.

1142
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,200
And then I also told him that when I came back

1143
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,600
from seeing this happen with this man's arms and legs,

1144
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:50,280
God spoke to me, John, at the altar, at the church there,

1145
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,520
as I was seeking the Lord when I came back.

1146
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:53,360
And here's what he told me.

1147
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,320
He says, take your front row out.

1148
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,560
He said, I'm gonna fill it with wheelchairs.

1149
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,960
And he says, I'm just telling you what he said, bro.

1150
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,440
I'm telling Greg like this.

1151
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,280
I'm just telling you.

1152
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,480
I said, here's what he said, take your front row out.

1153
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,720
We're gonna fill it with wheelchairs.

1154
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,440
And when they come, you're not gonna have to worry

1155
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,360
about whether the power of God's gonna be here.

1156
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:11,720
He said, it'll be here.

1157
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,400
Just do what I tell you to do.

1158
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,640
And then he goes on to tell me

1159
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,640
what the Lord said he's going to do.

1160
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,200
And he said, I'd send people from all over

1161
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,720
the United States here for deliverance.

1162
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,720
And I said, Greg, I said, this is what God wants to do,

1163
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,520
is to bring you to that level there.

1164
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:29,640
And he stopped.

1165
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,600
I talked about 45 minutes with him,

1166
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,360
maybe 40, 45 minutes.

1167
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,960
He just listened.

1168
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,680
And at the end of that, he stood up and he says,

1169
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,400
pastor, he said, this is what I've been waiting to hear,

1170
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,600
right here.

1171
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,200
And he walked out of the door

1172
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,560
and somebody had given him a couple of books we had there

1173
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:46,960
about deliverance.

1174
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,440
And I thought I would never hear from him again.

1175
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:52,480
I said, this is it.

1176
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,680
He'll never hear, I'll never hear nothing from him again.

1177
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,040
So he leaves, that was 21 December of 21.

1178
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,040
And he goes out of the church.

1179
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,360
He goes back to Global Vision.

1180
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,280
He starts preaching deliverance.

1181
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Now he's Baptist, cessation, as you heard that.

1182
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,360
And he's teaching and preaching all of this.

1183
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,280
Demons are manifesting.

1184
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,960
They're screaming, they're coming out.

1185
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,600
He's seeing all kinds of miracles happen and everything.

1186
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,600
And he calls me, I think it's February of 22,

1187
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,200
after this thing had broke out,

1188
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,680
he says, pastor, you've got to come.

1189
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,960
You gotta come to Global Vision.

1190
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,640
You gotta come, we gotta talk.

1191
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,440
So Sister Schaefer and I, we left church after that Sunday.

1192
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,600
We drove, it's like five or six hours.

1193
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,520
No, seven hours we get there to Mount Juliet, Tennessee.

1194
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,440
And we met with his staff and we met there

1195
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,720
probably about three hours.

1196
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,240
And I just shared about deliverance

1197
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,760
and the things that we have seen in deliverance.

1198
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,800
And I told Greg Locke this year,

1199
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,280
because you gotta realize this is the only time

1200
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,000
that you're gonna be, that I don't know,

1201
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:01,080
before people get to them,

1202
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,080
they're telling them that this isn't real.

1203
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:03,920
See what I mean?

1204
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,480
They're gonna tell them it's not real.

1205
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,400
And I said, Greg, you know,

1206
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,320
just like you miss deliverance, being real,

1207
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,240
and Christians having demons and all of that,

1208
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,240
I said, something else you miss too.

1209
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:16,960
I said, it's the baptism of the Holy Ghost

1210
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,320
speaking in tongues.

1211
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,520
I said, it's real as well.

1212
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,560
And I said, if you're gonna operate

1213
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,560
in the ministry of deliverance,

1214
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,600
this is what you need to continue on

1215
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,520
and making that happen.

1216
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,320
He says, I want everything that God has for me.

1217
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,480
And we left from there that evening,

1218
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,560
and we go back to his church, to the compound there,

1219
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,600
and we pray with him and his wife and some others there

1220
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,920
to about two or three o'clock in the morning.

1221
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,400
And in the morning time,

1222
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,480
that morning, I don't know, two or three o'clock,

1223
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,120
I don't know, you can cut this anywhere

1224
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,640
you think is appropriate,

1225
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,080
but he and Ty was sitting there in his office.

1226
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,480
One had one hand raised, one had the other hand raised,

1227
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,880
and they was holding hands.

1228
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,120
And I just laid hands on them.

1229
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,520
I said, received the Holy Spirit

1230
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,040
with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

1231
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,040
And both of them started the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

1232
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,760
That was their experience.

1233
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,160
They received what the first century apostles did.

1234
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,960
And that sets them up for the supernatural

1235
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,600
because before that, I wanna just share with you

1236
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
what's happening here is that Jesus had told his disciples,

1237
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,800
you can operate in my authority.

1238
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,960
And when Jesus ascended to heaven, he says,

1239
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,960
now, don't go anywhere and try to cast out any demons

1240
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,240
or do anything I told y'all to do

1241
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,320
until you go to the upper room and you will receive power.

1242
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:41,560
So that power comes in in the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

1243
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,880
When you operate in authority

1244
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,800
with the power of the Holy Spirit,

1245
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,000
that is where you are engaged

1246
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,320
to be able to engage the enemy.

1247
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,000
And I had to make sure that I told him that.

1248
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,000
And then God sending someone, me,

1249
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,960
that would have to express that.

1250
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,440
And not only that, John, I will tell you

1251
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,600
that there are people who, they come from everywhere

1252
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,720
for me to pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit.

1253
00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:13,480
It just happens.

1254
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,280
So God sent that to make it happen.

1255
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520
It had to happen that night.

1256
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,720
Did that make sense?

1257
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,640
For that ministry to go on with it.

1258
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,160
And from then on, everything happened from there.

1259
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,800
The church exploded.

1260
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,160
People started coming from all over the place

1261
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,560
for global vision.

1262
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,880
And I mean, that's a story within itself.

1263
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,160
I mean, it's like flipping an entire church

1264
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,680
or a whole thousands of people.

1265
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,120
I'm gonna tell you what the Lord told me

1266
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,600
when deliverance came to the church.

1267
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,160
He says, don't say what you're doing

1268
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,400
is small or insignificant.

1269
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,600
He said, this is bigger than you can imagine.

1270
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,320
That's what he told me.

1271
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,280
Because you've got to realize in 2015,

1272
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,880
when deliverance started, it started there at the church.

1273
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:06,720
And it was pandemonium that broke out January 1 of 2015.

1274
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,440
When I went to church that morning,

1275
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,280
I preached a message about if you're here

1276
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,280
and you're battling things

1277
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,080
and you've messed up like Adam and Eve did,

1278
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,080
and they stood there with their fig leaves covering

1279
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,640
what they had done, their sin,

1280
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,520
is that you've got to confess like Adam and Eve did

1281
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,640
and say, Lord, I'm having problems.

1282
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,560
And I preached like a 20 minute message.

1283
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,680
And I said, if you're here

1284
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,400
and you're battling some areas in your life,

1285
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,400
you've got to come to the Lord

1286
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,000
and you got to tell him I'm battling some things.

1287
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,280
And if you will, he'll set you free from them.

1288
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,800
So that morning, January 1 of 2015,

1289
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,280
or I think it was actually the third,

1290
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,600
that was the first Sunday,

1291
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,080
what happens is I make that message call,

1292
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:51,960
they came to the front.

1293
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,520
Five people came to the front.

1294
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,800
When they did, I look there,

1295
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,120
traditional church of God,

1296
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,360
traditional church choir behind me,

1297
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,240
and I'm standing there and I'm looking at these five people.

1298
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,120
And I said, Lord, who do I pray for first?

1299
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,480
And at the end, there's a woman

1300
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,840
and her face is moving like that.

1301
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,400
Her face is moving.

1302
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920
I said, well, God, I guess I know which one

1303
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,200
I need to pray for first.

1304
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,000
And I guess I'm gonna be the only one to do it.

1305
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,880
So I stepped up to her.

1306
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,440
I said, ma'am, what is your problem?

1307
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,360
She says, pastor, I'm battling anger.

1308
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,760
I said, well, that's not a problem.

1309
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,360
I said, Jesus, I set you free from that spirit of anger.

1310
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,360
I said, say this here, say I don't want anger no more.

1311
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,080
So she says, I don't want anger.

1312
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,600
And I said, come on up here, anger.

1313
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:39,640
I said, come on up here, anger.

1314
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,400
And it says, no.

1315
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,960
It came out of her voice, brother, loud.

1316
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,320
No, she's mine.

1317
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,960
I've had her for years.

1318
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,760
The hair on top of my head stood up.

1319
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,640
This is in church, man.

1320
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,520
Hair on top of my head stood up.

1321
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,240
I walked to the end of the,

1322
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,560
you know, the people who were standing there.

1323
00:53:58,560 --> 00:53:59,800
And I looked at the congregation.

1324
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,960
I said, grab your babies, grab your Bibles,

1325
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,880
grab your books, leave the sanctuary now.

1326
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,760
All these people jumped up and they ran out

1327
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,000
of the sanctuary.

1328
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,520
And when they ran out,

1329
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,160
and unless you're gonna stay back here to help me pray.

1330
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,640
And I had like a 10 or 15 people stay back

1331
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,560
help me pray for these five people.

1332
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,800
And I looked back at the doors of the church.

1333
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,720
You have windows about this wide,

1334
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:22,920
so you'd walk through the door, you don't hit somebody.

1335
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,680
So they had glasses and windows like that.

1336
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,280
All I could see was eyes looking through the door.

1337
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,160
They wanted to know what was going on in that room.

1338
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,720
So we prayed with them for the next,

1339
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:37,760
oh, I don't know, to three or four hours.

1340
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:38,960
We prayed for them,

1341
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,720
casting demons out of five people there.

1342
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:45,320
But on another note is that,

1343
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,640
see the Lord, you talked about radio.

1344
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,080
I say what the Lord told me to do was,

1345
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,800
he built the radio station and he told me, he says,

1346
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,760
now what I want you to do is put your services

1347
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,920
live on the radio.

1348
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,280
So I want you to think of what I just told you.

1349
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:04,040
We're not recording something on the radio, it's live.

1350
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:07,240
So what's happening live,

1351
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:09,280
they're listening in their cars.

1352
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,840
And I've had people drive in when I gave the altar call

1353
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,600
and walk in the door, give the heart to the Lord, live.

1354
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,000
You understand what I'm saying?

1355
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:17,920
It's not recorded.

1356
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,400
See, I want you to put your stuff on there.

1357
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,760
So that morning I am broadcasting with all them screaming,

1358
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,800
demons coming out live over the radio.

1359
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,080
I didn't have time to disconnect it.

1360
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,520
For the next three or four hours,

1361
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,160
they're hearing all this screaming going on

1362
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,600
in the sanctuary, come out in the name of Jesus, come out.

1363
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,120
And there's people who finally came to the church.

1364
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,520
They said, we were out of our church.

1365
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,360
We had the radio on and we were glued to the radio.

1366
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,920
It was like listening to war of the worlds.

1367
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,880
And we were listening to the radio and they came in.

1368
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,800
So those are the kinds of things

1369
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,080
that when deliverance happened at our church,

1370
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,840
same thing starts to happen up at Global Vision.

1371
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,080
People start, comes from everywhere.

1372
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,080
And all kinds of manifestations of demons, deliverance,

1373
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,840
all of those kinds of things are happening.

1374
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,680
But not only with that, miracles happens as well.

1375
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,960
So this is a deliverance.

1376
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,640
Deliverance is the end time spearhead

1377
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:17,840
of the end time revival.

1378
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,800
This is it.

1379
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,240
And if you miss deliverance and you take,

1380
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:25,360
you think that this is something small nor insignificant,

1381
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,000
that you don't realize that God is cleaning up the bride

1382
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,880
first, the bride recognizes she's got problems

1383
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,800
and that things are not coming out of the bride.

1384
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,360
And God's gonna deliver the bride.

1385
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,440
It's Joel in Joel 2.32.

1386
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,920
And there shall be deliverance in Mount Zion

1387
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,600
and in Jerusalem and in the remnant

1388
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,160
whom the Lord shall call.

1389
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,320
So the remnant recognizes that she's got some things

1390
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,760
she needs to get out.

1391
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,200
So the church gets it first and gets cleaned up.

1392
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,400
And when the harvest comes, the harvest is coming in

1393
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,680
with much of the same things that the remnant's got or had.

1394
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,800
And the church will be equipped to help deliver

1395
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,640
the harvest when they come in

1396
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,960
because they went through deliverance themselves.

1397
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,680
And so that I believe that's the spearhead

1398
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,320
of the end time revival that you're seeing everywhere.

1399
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Amen, amen.

1400
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,520
Brother, I could talk with you and listen to you for hours

1401
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,040
and I might just have to do another interview

1402
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,320
just to make sure that that happens.

1403
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,720
But before we wrap up here,

1404
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,040
would you just pray for the people that are watching this

1405
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,560
and pray for the people that are listening,

1406
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,520
that they would have that encounter

1407
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,440
and really have that real experience with the Holy Spirit,

1408
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,400
that real infilling of the Holy Spirit

1409
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,080
or however else that the Lord is leading you.

1410
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,560
But I just feel like there's people that are so caught up

1411
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,160
in the wow factor that they're missing the real

1412
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,240
and they're looking for the special effects

1413
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,360
instead of what's real.

1414
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,200
You know, there's two passages of scripture.

1415
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,880
It's a Hosea 4-6, most people know this.

1416
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,280
It says, my people perish, my people die,

1417
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,080
my people perish for or destroyed for lack of knowledge.

1418
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,480
And then the Lord started telling me,

1419
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,360
he said, no, it's more than that.

1420
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,000
It's a Hosea 5-13

1421
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
and most people don't know this scripture here.

1422
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,520
And it says, my people go into captivity

1423
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:23,640
for lack of knowledge.

1424
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,280
One, they're destroyed, the other one,

1425
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,520
the church is in captivity and they don't even realize it.

1426
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,520
So there is a spirit that's in the world of mind control

1427
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,680
and mind control is control of the church

1428
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,640
and many people in the church.

1429
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,800
They know there's something's not right,

1430
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,520
but they don't know how to get past it.

1431
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,760
And here's what I'm gonna share with you.

1432
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,120
If you're struggling in your walk,

1433
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,880
knowing that there's more,

1434
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,040
there is a demonic assignment to stop you

1435
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,920
from operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit

1436
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,400
and your destiny that God has for you.

1437
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,680
See that word like debt,

1438
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,240
those are key words that people that are speakers,

1439
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,360
they just know, if I use the word destiny, calling,

1440
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,800
these are things that attract people.

1441
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,880
But I want you to know is that,

1442
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,120
here's the thing is that Satan has an assignment.

1443
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,240
The first assignment against you

1444
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,160
is to keep you from knowing Jesus.

1445
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,600
If he fails in that assignment,

1446
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,320
he has a secondary assignment

1447
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,480
and it's to keep you from fulfilling your calling

1448
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,720
and stand between you and what God has for you.

1449
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,800
So what I want to, if I could instruct someone

1450
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,800
is that you need to make sure that deliverance,

1451
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,240
if there's anything in your life that is hindering,

1452
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,360
that don't just think it's something on the outside,

1453
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,520
but deliverance is for you.

1454
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,080
And that deliverance came at a cost

1455
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,600
and Jesus died for your deliverance.

1456
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,680
He paid for the penalty of your sin,

1457
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,680
but he also defeated the enemy that he must let you go

1458
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,120
in life and the ministry of deliverance

1459
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,040
is delegated to the church that he gave.

1460
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,080
See, we can't pay for your sin, Jesus did that,

1461
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,240
but he gave the ministry of deliverance

1462
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:26,640
to the church.

1463
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,800
So my job is to instruct you that there are things

1464
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,360
that will stand between you and your destiny

1465
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,440
and it's a demonic assignment.

1466
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,760
So I'm gonna pray that you can understand

1467
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,720
the ministry of deliverance, reach out,

1468
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,320
seek your deliverance, you can walk in the spirit

1469
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,560
and the fullness that God has for you

1470
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,200
and that God can show you and direct you

1471
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,560
where you need to be at in life.

1472
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,720
Is that all right, John?

1473
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,480
Father, we love you, thank you for today,

1474
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,720
thank you for your blessing.

1475
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,320
Lord, I thank you for this opportunity to come together

1476
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,320
with John and just share of your goodness

1477
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:05,120
and Lord of the supernatural that you have used in my life,

1478
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,960
Jesus Christ receives all glory and honor.

1479
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,880
Father, we pray that we have represented

1480
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,200
the kingdom of God well here in this discussion today.

1481
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,760
Lord, I pray for the people who's gonna maybe listen

1482
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,720
to this or see this here, that there's a connection

1483
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,680
in your heart right now saying, God, I know there's more

1484
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,040
and this is it.

1485
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:27,880
I pray, Father, that they would hear the words,

1486
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,600
stir up the gift of the Holy Ghost that God has given you,

1487
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,320
pray in the spirit and Lord, that they would start

1488
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,520
to activate that supernatural that's in them

1489
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,200
and Father, those who are in bondage

1490
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,560
to an area of their life, we come against it.

1491
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,840
We bind the strong man in every person

1492
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,600
that's gonna listen to this.

1493
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,640
We bind the strong man and we say that you have no authority.

1494
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,120
Father, in Jesus' name, I pray that they would seek

1495
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,400
their deliverance, you would lead them to a well

1496
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,920
and a hope and a ministry of deliverance,

1497
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,840
that they could be free so they can move forward in life.

1498
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,040
Lord, I'm looking for great things in the kingdom of God.

1499
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Lord, I know that your word tells us,

1500
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,640
great end time harvest is coming.

1501
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,920
Help me, Lord, to build up an army

1502
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,080
of supernatural deliverance ministries

1503
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,680
that are ready to take the kingdom of the enemy

1504
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,240
away from what they have done and take new territory in life.

1505
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,840
I thank you, Lord, what you're gonna do with these people.

1506
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:50,840
In Jesus' name we pray, amen.