My Supernatural Experience and Encounters With God - @DeepBelievers with Jennifer Bagnaschi

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When I laid back into my body, I shot up and I was petrified because I thought that I was dying.

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I thought that I was going to die literally because I'm like, why did I leave my body?

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This scared the mess out of me. Jennifer Bagnashi of Deep Believer. It's great to have you here on

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Charisma and we get to hear your story today. I mean, I love on your YouTube channel that you

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do such a good job of highlighting amazing men and women of God that have had incredible encounters

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with the Lord, but you have had incredible encounters with the Lord. And now we're going

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to kind of reverse the tables and now I'm going to get to interview you instead of you interviewing

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somebody else. So welcome to Charisma and I'm excited to hear your story. John, thank you so

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much for having me. I really appreciate you inviting me onto your show. So yeah, the Charisma family.

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Yeah. So Jennifer, tell me about this whole Deep Believer YouTube channel. How did God speak to you

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about this and the ministry that you've been a part of for a while? Sure. Well, it started years ago.

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Both my parents are ministers and so I was raised into the church and we were raised in a Baptist

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household at first, but then my mother, she wanted more. So she went to a different church

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to my father afterward and began to go to a Pentecostal church in Woo-Wee-Woo. Okay. So we

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were able to see the glory of God actually manifested, activated there. So, I mean, so

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there was no doubt in my mind what God could do. I think we joined the church when I was eight years

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old and I began to see the glory of God. There was never a doubt in my mind what God could do

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after that. I began to see miracles. I saw demon possessions, deliverances, all that stuff. And you

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can't, once you see it, you can't say God is not real. So over time, we, and that was in Pennsylvania,

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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, over time we moved to Connecticut. When we moved to Connecticut,

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I'm in my teens now and I began, well, we began to go to a church where there was not much power

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and not a lot of power at all, be honest. Like it's really hard to find a good church in Connecticut

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or New England in general. You know, I love New England is I feel like it's the most beautiful

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place. That is a tough place spiritually. Yeah. Very tough, very tough. And then I realized that

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there was definitely a deficit in the church. The faith was not there. They didn't know the

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power that they had. There was a lot of discrete witchcraft that was going on, which a lot of people

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know the history anyway of, of New England. But I realized that there was a deficit in the church

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where a church would speak it, pastors would speak it, ministers would speak the Bible. They

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would know their Bible, but there was no action to it. And matter of fact, there was a woman,

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she would come to my house all the time. Sweet woman went to the same church. So I believe

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because we went to the same church, we had the same beliefs in how powerful God is. So she would

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come over spontaneously here or there and never knew when she would come. And she was in our

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kitchen and we were talking about God enjoying it until I mentioned that there are things in our

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lives that we really don't have to go through because God's given us the whole armor of God,

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you know, and not every fight is a battle and not every battle is a war. And she began to back up

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and never came back to my house ever again. And I'm like, yes. And I'm like, okay, the church has a

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problem. So I realized that there were a lot of unbelieving believers. And when I would tell people

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of my supernatural experiences, how I would see angels, how I left my body and you know, how I

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came back and I saw Jesus and spiritual warfare that Christians wouldn't believe me, but the

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non-believers would. And the non-believers at that time, we have bookstores, right? So they would go

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to Barnes and Noble or wherever to get Bibles. But the Christians laughed at me and I said, okay,

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it's not me, it's you. You know, usually you would say, no, it's not you, it's me. No, it's them. And

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it wasn't me because, you know, you have to know who you are in Christ. And I would read my Bible

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and I'm like, well, this is what the Bible says. Why aren't you standing on the word of God? And

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it's because we do put our faith more into what ministers teach as opposed to what we allow Holy

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Spirit to teach us when we read the word of God. So after that, long story short, we moved to

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Colorado and this is about four years ago. And I get in my, do I have to, you know, everybody has

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a YouTube channel just to have, I wasn't doing much on it. And I got a LinkedIn request from a

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woman named Linda. And I don't know what, um, agency she was with, but she asked me to interview

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America's, one of America's top number one cardiologists in America. At that time, I didn't

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know what cardiology meant at the time, to be honest. So I called it cardiology and I got

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backlash. It's cardiology, not cardio. I'm like, look, I'm thinking cardio.

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In the comments section, you mean?

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Yes. It was hilarious. Oh my God, I didn't know, but now I know it's cardiology, not cardio. So

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anyway, so even though it is cardio. So anyway, um, so at first I made up in my mind, I said, no,

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I'm not going to do it. I've never interviewed anyone. I used to always want to be a journalist,

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but when I saw journalists getting attacked on streets, when I was a teenager, I said, okay,

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let me go for interior design. So that's how I went to school for, but my heart and passion was

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always people learning more about them and, you know, hearing their life story. So anyway,

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I made up in my mind, no, I am not going to, um, I'm just not going to do this interview.

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So then I'm praying about it. And then the Lord put on my heart, do it. So I said,

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so I'm like, okay, fine. I'll do it. I said, but nobody's going to watch it anyway. So that

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makes it easier for me to do this interview. So the man's name was Dr. Sam Kojo-Glantian

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and yeah, and he's amazing. So I interviewed you. Yeah. And actually, and he became,

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I guess he was my very real first one. I had two friends. I said, okay, guys,

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I said, I'm about to interview one of America's top cardiologists. So I actually need you guys to,

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you know, act like I've been on a show for a while, you know, so I can interview you. So I had two of

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my closest friends do two interviews and you could just check back that they're Stacey and Diana. So

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they did that for me. And I did Sam Kojo-Glantian after that, I think two weeks later, we went to

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Florida, no action, Holly, no action on this, you know, on this video with the Florida I'm in bed.

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I wake up to ding, ding, ding on my phone. My phone's just going off and it's people watching

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this video. And I'm like, out of nowhere, what? So it was going, going, going and in the thousands.

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And at the time, my, I think only had 36 subscribers at the time. And it just kept going off and off

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and off. And I realized, wow, everybody's watching this video. And I remember one person said, I

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can't believe there's only at that time, 44 subscribers to this channel. This is really good.

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And so it went up to the tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. Yeah. Hundreds of thousands,

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something like that. So long story short, my husband said, well, you have to keep going. I said,

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I do. He said, well, yeah, you keep going. I'm like, well, how do I find people? He said,

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God will make a way. And ever since then, the Lord has always provided me people. And I said, Lord,

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give me everyone who you're speaking through, you know, what, what message do you have to put out?

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Because this is not for my gain. I can care less, you know, what I want, you know, I want, I want a

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lot of things, but I've realized nothing's going to prosper if it's not really in the hands of God

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when it's for God's work. So yeah, so that's history. And now, I mean, we've met so many

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wonderful people. And I know you mentioned that, like we even are, you know, we're connected to the

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same people, a charisma deep believer. It's amazing because I said, Lord, I want what you're

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speaking to the church. Not what I think, cause we all have opinions and our opinions really don't

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matter at the end of the day, if it doesn't mesh or match with the word of God. So yeah.

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One of the things that you're so good about in, in your interviews is you are very good about getting

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out of the way and letting the other people talk. And I'm grateful that we get to hear you talk

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in this and hear your story. And I want to hear about your, your experience, your encounter with

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the Lord. Cause you said earlier that people weren't believing you whenever you were talking,

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or Christians rather, weren't believing you whenever you were talking about these encounters

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you had with the Lord. Well, I got to tell you the charisma audience is going to believe what you

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have to say. So tell us what it is that you experienced with the Lord. Oh gosh, John. Okay.

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All right. So it's so much. All right. So there was a time when, so I didn't know, let's go way

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back. So I didn't know that people would actually die and come back to life. You know, I didn't know

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well, I knew that it's in the Bible, Jesus dying came back to life, but I didn't know that it was

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still common today. I had no idea until I began to hear testimony. So here are testimonies of

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Justin Duplantis and other people. And I'm like, wow, this sounds amazing. Wow. So I began to

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research and hear more testimonies about it. And I always prayed for that to happen to me. I said,

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oh, that'd be great for that to happen to me. I would love that. You just bring me back. So anyway,

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so after a while, and it was about probably over a year, I began to lose hope. And I said, you know

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what, Lord, I trust you. You know, the Bible says seeking shall find knock and I'll answer, you know.

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And I said, it seems like nothing's being open to me for me to, you know, receive that part of the

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supernatural. Cause I would love to see heaven. I would love, I want to hell, but you know, I would

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love to see heaven and I would love. So anyway, long story short, I'm lying in bed and I said to

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myself, I said, Lord, I know you said you're not a respecter of persons, but it kind of seems like

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you are because all the testimonies that I've heard so far over the year have been all male

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and not female. So I guess you just don't allow females to, you know, go to heaven. Maybe it's a

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male thing. I don't know. And God looks at your heart and he knows being sincere. So I just gave

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up literally when I said, I said, okay, I gave up this is how you roll. So, and that night I'm

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laying in bed. You can read this in my book. It's so funny. So I'm laying in bed. Next thing I know,

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I sit up out of my body and you just, it was like a knowing. And when I left my body, it was like,

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I don't know if you, if you've ever gone skiing, but like when you go skiing, like you're outside

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in the cold and then you hit the warm air of the inside, you know, where the fireplace is like that

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then sheet of air. It just felt like I just left a thin sheet of something. I sat up out of my body.

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It was the most amazing experience I'd ever had. And it was cool. The only word that I could explain

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at that time was this is cool, but you're in your right mind at the same time. So it's not like a

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dream. You know, people wonder if it's like, if you're in a dreamy state, I wasn't dreaming.

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I was, it was literally like happening. You're in your right mind. You can think, you can smell,

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you can hear everything is heightened. But the one thing I did feel is that you feel the love of God

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even so much stronger. And I know the Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with

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the Lord. So that's where I was. And I'm like, this is amazing. But like I said, I was still thinking.

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So I'm like, okay, Lord, you said that, you know, you know, asking we shall receive. Okay, I got this.

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And I feel like, okay, you could take me to heaven, but if you do, could you bring me back? Because

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I have a husband, I have two kids, you know, I have a lot of responsibility. That'd be devastated

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if I never came back. And I began to reason and get a little bit fearful with him. Well, God,

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he, he's a, and that's when I learned Jesus is a gentleman, because as I began to get a little

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bit fearful, he laid me back in my body slowly. When I, when I laid back him to my body, I shot

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up and I was petrified because I thought that I was dying. I thought that I was going to die

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literally because I'm like, why did I leave my body? This scared the mess out of me. So I went

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to the bathroom and this is about three o'clock in the morning. I'm in my bathroom about 20 minutes.

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And I'm like, I'm tired. I need to go to bed. So I'm like, okay, here's my plan. I'm going to

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lay in bed and I'm going to keep my eyes open. So if I close my eyes, I won't die. So I go and I do

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that. I leave my eyes open and as my eyes are open, I still feel, and I refuse to go to sleep. I still

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feel the air on my eyeballs as I'm laying in bed. Next thing I know I'm taken in a vision where it's

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a bright white room and there's Jesus smiling at me. And he's standing behind a beautiful shaz.

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And it's rimmed in the most finest gold with the most beautiful intricate designs. And it had an

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upholstery of gold creams and peaches. Beautiful. I mean, it was just the most spectacular. And it

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makes me realize now Jesus is a carpenter. So more than likely he made that shaz for me because I

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love interior design. I love. So as I see Jesus, right, I am moving towards the shaz, but my focus,

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this is weird. My focus wasn't on Jesus per se, but it was on the shaz. And I'm walking and walking,

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Jesus is smiling and smiling. I was walking and walking. And next thing I know I'm sitting on the

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shaz. I bring my body around and I lay my head back on the upper part of the shaz. As I did,

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I literally felt my eyes close and I went to sleep and it was amazing. Right. But the one thing that

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happened was usually when I have these divine experiences, I can't speak about it. I don't

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know if that's happened to you or, you know, any one of your guests, but it's something where I

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can't speak about it at first. I don't know if it's because the glory of God is still so strong

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or I don't know. So I didn't tell anyone, but once I told my husband about two to three days later,

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or maybe it was four days, the devil began putting things into my head. And that's how I've realized

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the devil cannot read your mind, but he listens. And I mean, there's so much scripture to back up

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how the devil can't read your mind. Angels can read your mind, but I truly believe that that was

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one thing that was taken away when Lucifer was kicked out of heaven was that ability to, you know,

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read our minds. That's why he has to listen and all that stuff. So anyway, that instant, I began

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to get thoughts of Jesus is so disappointed in you. You didn't believe that he would take you up

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there and bring you back. And, you know, he's disappointed that, you know, you didn't have faith

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and all this crazy stuff. And so I began to ask Jesus, I said, Jesus, is that true? And Jesus

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literally said to me, he said to me this, he said, when you saw me, was I not smiling? Was I not

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happy to see you? I'm like, Oh, Jesus, you're so right. You're so right. And then that's when I

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realized that Jesus is a gentleman. He loves us so much. The devil can't read your mind. That's why

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we have to be careful what we say, but ask the Lord to protect, you know, the words that we say

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when we say them. So the enemy won't try to run and just put mess in your mind. But yeah, so that's

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one of the experiences. And that's actually the foundation for the name of my book, which is,

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I saw God last night, which I wrote 10 years ago. But yeah, so you had this experience with the Lord,

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this encounter with the Lord, and you've been by looking at the people that you've been interviewing

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from your, on your deep believer YouTube channel, it sounds like God is connecting you with other

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people that have had similar experiences with him. As you're comparing notes, what are some

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of the things that stand out to you with some of the people? Like, what are the things that you're

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like, it resonates with you in a way because you've experienced that yourself? That there's

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always more that because like, you think that you've experienced so much until you take until

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you speak to someone else. And they've the Lord even show them more. And, you know, they've

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been shown, you know, like, or, for instance, like, I'll have people from different countries,

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where they'll tell me the most craziest things. And they're like, yeah, because Americans are

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just like, you guys aren't educated a lot of things. I mean, like, they'll tell me things of, you know,

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they've seen people walk through walls, you know, with their witchcraft, and then, you know, and

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angels just easily come to them. And you know, the Lord just shows up to the like, matter of fact,

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I have one Bruce Allen, I think he's one of the coolest, we call him the transporter. But so he

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translates from one place to another, whenever the Lord takes him. So, you know, people are always

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asking, well, what's the difference between translations and astral projection? And astral

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projection is when the devil assigned you to places, and then you know, you go here or there,

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but being translated is when the Lord picks you up and takes you places on assignments, or, you

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know, things like that. So it's a beautiful difference. But it's like you're always learning.

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So that's one thing I learned is that and no matter what, this is another thing. Sorry,

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I'm blabbing your ear off. But this is another thing I learned that when I was in church,

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when I was a child, I would always hear people say, never be jealous of another person's anointing,

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because this happens. And I'm like, what in the world? Why would people be jealous of

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your anointing? If it's your anointing, it makes no sense. But as you get older, and you meet more

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people in ministry, oh, it's very prevalent. And you agree, I'm sure. Yeah. So the Lord showed me,

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he said, Jennifer, he said, not everything is for everyone. Everyone has their own assignment,

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I've put into place an assignment for every last person. So if you're jealous of say, if a person

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is a wonderful prayer warrior, but you're good at administration, but yet you want that person's,

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you know, unfortunately, praise, but guess what, but that's not what God calls you to do. So what

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you're going against is you're not going against that person, you're going against God's work.

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And things aren't going to work out for you. But guess what, but God made you wonderful in

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administration where you can excel as far as the Lord wants you to excel. But now you're not even

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focusing on your task because you're going against somebody else. So everybody has their appointed

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tasks that the Lord has for them. And when you do it to the abundance of the glory of God,

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you'll always be blessed. God will always use you and he'll always accelerate you if you let him,

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but take your eyes off of other people. When it comes to what do you call vanity, not vanity,

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what do you call it? Just the right word. Gifts, anointing. Yeah, anointing. Don't compare yourself.

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Just, you know, thank God for the gifts that he has given you and just go with it.

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Yeah. You know, we're all called to do specific things and there's gifts and callings that each

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of us have. And, you know, part of that is teaching and God's given you a revelation to share about

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the armor of God. And one of the things that before we hit record here, I asked you, what is it that

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God's speaking to you today? And you just lit up talking about the armor of God. And I said,

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wait a second, we got to start recording here. So now the time has come to release you to share

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that message, that download that the Lord has given you about the armor of God.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. So the armor of God is truly a gift. Okay. So when we become children

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of God, when we give our life to Christ, the Bible says we're giving the whole armor. I don't like,

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I used to say full armor. Whole armor is so much more adequate because it's whole, it's complete.

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And then people don't even realize the power that they have. Christians, children of God have no

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idea of their power. So if the enemy knows that you don't even know how to use your weapons,

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if the enemy knows that you're not even, you don't have your armor on. So picture you're out to war

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and you're in battle, but you're given armor. You're given a shield, you're given a sword,

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you're given boots, you're given a belt, you're given a helmet, you're given all these things.

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You don't even have it on because honestly, a lot of Christians don't have it on proof. Jesus even

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says, put on the full armor of God, which means you have the armor. You need to put it on. But

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a lot of Christians aren't even taught to put it on, right? They read it, put on the full armor of

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God, but they're not even taught to put it on, how to put it on. And then on top of that, so now the

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devil knows that you have armor, you don't have it on. Okay. Easy target. And then if you do have

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it on, guess what? You do not use your weapons. You have no idea. You know, the devil knows that

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the only offensive weapon is the word of God, which is a sword. The devil knows that. So what,

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what does he do? He makes sure you don't open your Bible. He makes sure that it collects dust. He

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makes sure that you don't remember scripture. So get, or he makes you tired when it comes time

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to read your Bible. So he does everything to weaken your army. A weakened army is the devil's

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playground. Just look, look what's happening around the world right now. When armies are weakened,

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the enemy comes in and he just destroys. And a lot of times he comes as a Trojan horse. Cause if you

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just come four fours, you're ready. Okay. Let's put that armor on. But the devil is very cunning.

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He's very, and people say he's smart. I don't think he's smart. He's clever cause smarts come from God.

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He's clever and he watches. The Bible even said he watches you. And if you were to be as strong

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and the Lord, meaning, you know, your word of God, you put on the full arm of God. What does it mean?

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Okay. So I wrote this down. Okay. So I wouldn't forget it. So then you, first you have the breast

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plate of righteousness, which is your morality. You know, you, you're in the right path. You stay

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on the right path. Okay. You have that breastplate. Then you have the shield of faith, which protects

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you against the enemy's attacks. So you have that shield, enemies throwing stuff at you. But remember,

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you got to have the stuff on. Cause if you don't have it on, the enemy's going to get you,

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but he knows you don't know how to put your armor on. He knows that you don't know how to use it.

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Right. So then you keep going. Then you have the helmet of salvation, which protects your mind.

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What's one of the number one, I would say spiritual killers right now,

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mental downfalls, exactly. Depression, schizophrenia, the devil's messing with your

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mind because guess what? He needs a body. The devil can't do anything without a body. So he

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has his minions. He has all this stuff to tackle your mind because if he doesn't have you, he

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doesn't have anything. But guess what? If you're making yourself available for that, well, guess

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what? The devil's going to use you. And people think that you can't be used by the devil for

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your Christian. That's not true. You give the devil legal right by opening doors, by pornography,

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by lying, by whatever, whatever you open your door up to where the Lord says, don't do that,

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don't do this, but you're doing it anyway. Those are open doors. So the devil does have legal right

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to that. So then you keep going. And then you have the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God.

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And I say that that's the only offensive weapon. Everything else is for defense, but you got to

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know the word of God. You have to know how to use it. And as I have a quick story, thanks for letting

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me speak, John. So, so, so I remember one time I was laying in bed years ago and my kids were small

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and I woke up and I felt a heavy presence of darkness in the bedroom. And it was thick. When

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I say thick, like you could almost cut it with a sword. No pun intended. So anyway, so I begin to

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rebuke the spirit in the name of Jesus, get out. But I had fear. So you can't fight the devil with

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the enemy's tools. You can't fight that devil with the enemy's weapons. Well, his weapon is fear. So

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he's laughing at me the whole time, more than likely. So I said, okay, let me see how far this

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has gone throughout the house. So I get up, leave the bedroom. I'm in the hallway. I still feel a

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little with the presence of evil. So then I go in my kid's room because I'm like, okay, I want to

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protect them. I go in there. There is a piece you just feel. There's just like, just, there's nothing

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evil. It's just like a breath of fresh air. I'm in there. I'm like, okay, so the devil's not in

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there. Praise God. Okay. He's in my bedroom. So I go back in and I began to rebuke the devil in

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the name of Jesus. It's still not working. What am I darn wrong? I'm still using fear. So I get on

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my knees. I open my Bible. I said, okay, let me read the words of red. Let me read the words that

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Jesus spoke. And that was the only thing that voided out everything. So once I began to read

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the words of Jesus out loud, everything left just like that. It was like the fear of God came upon

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the enemy because one, I had fear, right? But because I had that fear, I couldn't get rid of

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the spirits that were in my room. But once I opened the words of Jesus Christ, the word of God,

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the enemy left, he couldn't stay anymore. So, I mean, there's so much power in that. So then you

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have the gird of truth and that's the belt, you know, and that's the unwavering support to help

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you stand on the truth. So you have to, when you know the truth, no matter what any other minister

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says, no matter what any theologian says, if Holy Spirit tells you and he backs it up with the word

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of God, you stand on it. Who cares what other people says? Yeah, everybody, everybody has an

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opinion. Everybody thinks there's so much more intellectually smarter than you when it comes to

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the Bible. Who cares? Cause this is not a competition. So anyway, and then you have the gospel of peace

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for your feet. And that gives you the steadfast readiness to proclaim the gospel of God. So it's

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just a whole armor where you have to be on point, but don't be a weirdo. Because one thing I realize

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is that the enemy likes, once you become saved, he makes you either a religious nut, right? He

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tries to make you a religious nut or a weirdo. And a lot of people like just lose their fun personality

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and they become serious all the time. And we're like, they're like, Christians are boring.

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Christians are, you know, judgmental because no, the enemy, these are all tactics of the enemy.

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Jesus was so relatable. I mean, people don't follow weirdos. I mean, like you may have some,

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like you have Jim Jones, but like people don't really, you know, masses don't follow weirdos.

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Jesus wasn't weird. He was relatable. He was likable. I relatable, I don't know about relate

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cause he was God, but you know, but like people felt comfortable with him where, you know, he

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didn't make you feel less about yourself. He gave you that confidence. He was fun. Like kids love

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being around them, which is taboo back in that time where kids didn't even, you know, hover around

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men, let alone sit on their laps, like you see in the Bible. So it was just the, when you become a

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Christian, God changes you completely. And you don't have to let the enemy try to make you

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something that he knows would deter other people who would be potential believers because you're

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weird now or because you're a religious nut. I know cause it happened to me, but yeah.

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Yeah. So I love that story that you shared about going from room to room, looking for where the

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fear wasn't. And once you realize what was going on, you took your authority in the word of God by

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reading the words of red out loud, their words of Jesus out loud. You know, I know that God's given

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you a revelation about the authority of Christ, the authority of the believer. Can you share a

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little bit about that? Yeah. I mean, literally we have, when we become children of God, that's when

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you're born again, we literally have authority. So that means you're right here and the devil's

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right. He's lower, way lower. I mean, like you have angels right here a little bit higher, but one day

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we'll be a little higher than angels, but you are literally over the devil. You literally have that

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authority. But if you have no idea that you have that authority, if you're fearful, mind you, I went

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to a church years ago where this is the first time I heard that a pastor was afraid of the devil. I'm

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like, are you serious? Are you in the right industry? You know, you can not fear what you have so much

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power over. It's weird. It's like you being afraid of an ant, you just easily squash it. I don't

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encourage going around squashing ants, but you know, you have that authority over the enemy. But

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guess what? People aren't taught that they have that. I was speaking, matter of fact, I interviewed

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someone yesterday or the day before, I don't remember. And I said, what is it where the church

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is so weak in the United States because he has churches in Pakistan and in Africa. And he says,

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well, yeah, the church is only weakened. The church is very much weakened in the Western world

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where they're only taught word, but they're not taught how to do anything. They're taught. And

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honestly, where I live in Colorado Springs, they know the Bible. They know the Bible up and down,

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but it doesn't matter if you don't know how to apply it. And that's it. Like people want to see

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it reflected in your life. You know, if you drop something, okay, like for instance, so this is kind

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of funny. So we are supposed to reflect Jesus Christ and that includes kindness. So we're at

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a cafe, me and my husband, we're at a cafe, do lunchtime. And there was two women behind us

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and they were talking about Jesus. Oh, Jesus, this and the cafes and, you know, I'm sorry,

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at the cafe, they were talking about Jesus and Bible study and all this stuff. Great. So me and

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my husband are laughing. And then I accidentally flew my glasses back as I'm just cracking up,

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laughing at something he said. And then if it flew right next to them, you know, they did.

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And they just waited for me to come and pick it up. Okay. Small things like that as believers,

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pick it up, just give it to someone. I wasn't offended. I'm like, okay, we're talking about

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Jesus here. So let's reflect. Jesus would pick it up because it fell right under their table by

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their feet. So you would think you pick it up, stuff like that, but small things like that,

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it matters, you know, and then living the life that God tells you to live, you really have so

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much power. I mean, like even for instance, we're taught in a lot of churches that speaking in tongue

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is of the devil, the devil copy that because the Bible, if you read the Bible, speaking in tongues

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of a different language came before the enemy, you know, had his witches and warlocks and

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voodoo priests speak any of that stuff, right? Matter of fact, even people being filled with the Holy Spirit,

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that came before. And then what did the devil do? He came out with,

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what is it? He, sorry, he came out with possessions after. So people think that you can't be

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possessed with Holy Spirit, but guess what? That is the first possession. If you read the Bible,

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the first time anything had come into anybody was Holy Spirit first. And then the devil copied that.

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So guess what? Now he's possession bodies now, you know, so not him, but you know, demonic demons

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possessed bodies. So there's so much power that we have, but if we kept, we are kept ignorant,

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guess what? And that's why, like I told you earlier, how we have so much authority over a lot of

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aspects of life. There's not, we don't have to go through a lot of things that we go through,

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because remember not every fight is a battle and not every battle is a war. You don't have to go

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to war with some things in your life, but everything seems to be a struggle sometimes. Why? Why is

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everything a struggle? Why does everything feel like it's a war all the time? But if you know

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your word and you stand on it and you believe it, and that's the thing too, because the enemy likes

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it, you got to put on a helmet. If you believe and you stand on the word of God, which can be hard,

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still ask the Lord, if I had this unbelief, please take it away and give me more, give me more faith,

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because everyone comes with some form of faith, even though it's small, he may give me some form

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of faith, but then he gives you more if you ask for it. And I mean, he'll do it. He loves, he loves

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blessing us. He loves blessing us. Amen. Well, I'm going to ask you to, in just a little bit,

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pray for the people that have been watching and listening to this, that they would have that faith.

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And I want to ask also that you just exude the joy of the Lord. And so I'm going to ask you to pray

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joy over the people that are watching this as well. My last question for you is, you've been

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doing this Deep Believer YouTube channel. How have, how is doing this and hearing these conversations

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and having these conversations and seeing the comments, how has this changed Jennifer?

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It's changed me because it realized that we're not alone. And it makes me realize that

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we have more work to do. We have more work to do, but it's doable. But even more so, it gives me

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a joy to know that God is speaking in so many more people than I even expected.

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I knew that God was speaking to some people, you know, and I would have the experiences. This is

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why, you know, I, I interviewed more people because I'm like, okay, I know I'm not the only one,

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but to know that so many more people are having these experiences, more people than we expect

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because we're fearful, because we're nervous that, you know, people won't believe me. Who cares? God

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believes you. He knows. And eventually, and even, I always say this too, John, I always say, if the

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Lord reveals something to you or if something happened to you and you know, it's true, share it.

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If God allows you to share it and don't be afraid of looking crazy, because guess what? If you look

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crazy, they will never forget you. They'll never forget what you said. And then one day down the

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line, they'll remember that crazy thing you said and say, John was right. Oh, wow. So don't be

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afraid of how they think, because guess what? At the end of the day, they'll know you're right.

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Eventually it may take years, but they'll know you're right. Eventually. So no, it's changed me to

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the point where I love on people so much more. It's strengthened your faith. It shows, it gives you

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more mercy with people. Um, the pride ceases, you know, everybody I'm telling you, like anywhere you

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go, the enemy tries to put pride in there. You got to keep yourself, you got to keep that pride away

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because that's how, how did the devil get kicked out of heaven? Pride and jealousy. Yeah. So don't

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let that into your camp. But, um, yeah, no, it just, I, I've learned a lot about people. I learned a

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lot about ministry. American churches need a lot of work. So we got to pray about that too. And, um,

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but yeah, so I've grown and I've grown for the better to know that nobody's perfect. I'm not

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perfect. I have a long way to go. And I mean, it won't be completed till I get to heaven. So

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So, yeah. Jennifer, where can people find you? All right. Yeah. So basically you can go to our

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website, www.deepbeliever.com. You can go to our YouTube channel, deep believer. And if you would

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like to purchase my book, um, I saw a God last night, you can do that on Amazon or you can go

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through, uh, the, the deep believer website and then I'll sign it for you and all that stuff and

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ship it over to you. Very cool. Jennifer, would you pray for our audience that they would have

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that, that, that faith as well as the joy of the Lord. Amen. Father in the name of Jesus,

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through Holy spirit, we just thank you so much for who you are. We thank you so much for what

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you've done. We thank you so much for everyone watching right now. We thank you so much for this

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platform for charisma, Lord Jesus, because you are full of charisma. So we pray that you will

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instill that into everyone watching right now, the charisma and the zeal for you, Lord Jesus. We pray

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right now that you will put a hunger and a thirst and a willingness for your glory to enter into

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their lives that they'll want to act out everything that you've taught them in your word that Lord

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Jesus, you even take off the spirit of laziness upon a lot of people that the enemy has put on

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and just give us the spirit of enthusiastic, uh, characteristics where we want to read the word,

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let us soak in, let us apply it, uh, let us know our authority and Christ and who we are, put it to

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action, put it to use that we will help change lives that we will love on people, that we will

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bless people, that people will see the light in us that comes directly from you. That when people

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look at us, they won't even see us. They'll see you, Lord. We pray that you would just put a mantle

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of protection on everyone watching right now, Lord Jesus, that every single thought will be covered

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in your blood. Lord, we pray that you will just let us know our authority that we do have every

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last person watching and that they will utilize it because not every war is meant to be fought.

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And Lord Jesus, even when you had your people go to war, you never told them, don't go on a battlefield,

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but still you fought for them. They went to battle, but yet you're the one who fought for them.

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So let them know that as well, Lord Jesus, that you are the fighter, Lord Jesus, you are the

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defeater, that you are the warrior, you are the conqueror, Lord Jesus. And when you're on our side,

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if you're with us, who can be against us? It doesn't even matter what comes up against us

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because of Jesus, you're the one who fights for us. So let us have that confidence. Let us have that

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faith. Let us stand on it. We pray that everyone watching will grow, grow, grow. And with that,

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we will help others to grow, grow, grow in you and your name, Jesus, we pray. Amen.

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Amen. Amen. Jennifer, thank you so much for allowing us to hear your story,

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your deep believers story. And it's just been a privilege to be able to have you here on Charisma.

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Thank you, John. I appreciate you and the Charisma family.