(275) “Can a Person Be Translated By Faith?” with Bruce and Reshma Allen

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I said, Lord, why are you showing me this? He

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said, because I've called you to be a forerunner.

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And you're going to teach my people how to walk

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in this by faith because the hour is coming when

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this is going to be necessary for my people to

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embrace. Because there's going to be wars. There's

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going to be famine. There's going to be pestilence.

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There's going to be natural disasters. Everything's

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going to shut down, but my word will not be stopped.

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God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit

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on all humanity. Welcome to global outpouring.

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We contend for that promised outpouring. We equip

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for that outpouring so that we may engage in

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that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm

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Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We

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have with us Bruce and Reshma Allen, who are

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coming here the first week of September for their

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School of Supernatural Translation by Faith.

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This is an amazing school. We've had them here

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three times before, and every single time it

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is life -changing. And we're going to talk with

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them about the subject that they're going to

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be teaching when they come here that started

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with this question, can a man be translated by

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faith? Thank you so much for joining us today.

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This is an amazing podcast that you are going

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to be blessed by. I believe you'll find it life

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-changing and stirring for your faith. But before

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It's going to be glorious. Well, Bruce and Reshma,

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it is such a delight to have you back with us

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again. It's been a really long time, and we're

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excited that you're with us on this podcast.

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Welcome. Thank you. It's great being back together

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with you guys. We've missed you. Yes, thank you.

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Yes, we've missed you too. And we're looking

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forward to your coming for the School of the

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Supernatural Translation by Faith, September

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1st through 6th, 2025, right here at our headquarters.

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I know that you are going around the world doing

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these schools, and it's just our delight to be

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able to host this one again. Well, we always

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have a great time there, and it's nice having

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everybody in the same place. The same time. There's

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always something special. There's that deposit

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from ministry there from years and years that

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makes it a thin place. Ah, that's right. That's

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right. You know, I've been here, I think, about

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48 years. And you're absolutely right about the

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deposit that's been put here. Oh, my. Oh, my.

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Such amazing people. You couldn't put a price

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tag on it. Oh, no. No, no. It's eternal. We've

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been pressing in for the eternal, for the glory

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of God for decades. And it's just wonderful to

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be able to find people of like precious faith

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that are teaching things that are so important

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for moving forward in the days that we're in

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and going into. So for the sake of those who

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are listening that have not met you before or

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heard about you before, Can you give us a little

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bit of background about how you got to this place

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where you're doing what you're doing? By accident?

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No. I don't think so. You know, the Lord, the

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steps of a righteous man are ordered of the Lord.

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So it's not any predisposition or planning on

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my part. It's the sovereign God in his mercy

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that's led us step by step into line upon line,

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precept upon precept revelation. I know when

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I got saved, I used to read some of the old timers

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that talked about, you know, they had to pray

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through to salvation. And at first I didn't understand

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that. But then I remembered for the first year

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or two of my walk with God, I was so uncertain

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because I wasn't taught correctly. I had no formal

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background at all. And so the moment you make

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a mistake, oh, no, I got to get saved again.

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And I didn't have that. You know, it was a struggle

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just coming to the assurance part. And then it

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seems like everything in my walk with God was

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in that vein of I had to stand in faith and press

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through to the assurance and the reality of the

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truth. And I thank God for that. I really do,

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because not only does it put a perseverance in

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there, but it also puts a greater hunger and

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desire, a passion for more. And so that's one

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of the ways he trained me. I never had all the

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flashy experiences. Everybody would have these

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amazing testimonies, you know, and I was like,

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is there something wrong with me? And I would

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even have, you know, some of the well -known

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ministries of our day. They would pray. I'd be

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in a prayer line and everybody would be dropping

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and having, you know, experiences and they'd

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pray for me. And it was like, that's it? That

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happened. And I couldn't, you know, I really

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contended and said, Father, what's the matter

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here? And finally, one day he said, son, I want

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you to learn to walk by faith, not an experience.

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Amen. Once that's established in you, that faith,

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then I'll release experiences. Beautiful. And

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so because my character is a human being, if

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I'd have had an experience, I probably would

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have camped there forever and never persevered

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on. Yes. And so that's how he did that. Looking

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back, you know, you can see when God drops little

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nuggets of truth or something that tweaks, you

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go, wait a minute. And then you start digging

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in that direction. And it led up to, oh, I don't

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know, 23 years ago now or more. It's 2025. Yeah,

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more than that, 26 years ago. When I woke up

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one morning and Holy Spirit was there and he

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said, can a man be translated by faith? And that's

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where it started for me. I had no. No paradigm

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for that at all. Didn't even know what he was

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talking about. And so by revelation, the Lord

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began to unfold certain mysteries in Scripture

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that pertain to this specific generation. And

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that's the beginning of all of this super, supernatural

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walk. So can you give us an idea of what translation

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by faith is? By faith, Hebrews 11 .5. By faith,

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Enoch was translated that he should not see death.

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And he had this testimony that he pleased God.

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So there's one. Yes. I didn't even know about

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that. I mean, that wasn't on my radar. So that

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also threw in an extra facet of challenge. By

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faith, he was translated or changed sides, transferred,

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that he would not even see death. And I went,

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wait a minute. Isn't it saying the word that's

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appointed unto man wants to die? Well, so now

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I had to go back and have my understanding. The

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theology I thought was absolute truth, revitalized

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and renewed by the word of God. There you go.

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Not the explanation from a mindset about the

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word of God. Exactly. Every one of us receives

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revelation and we teach that, but that is never

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going to be the full counsel of God. We must

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learn that. So we get together just like us right

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now. We put into the hat our facets of revelation.

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Now we have a greater whole. And throughout your

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life, you're going to get people that continue

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to add to or have a different facet of revelation

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or understanding. Now we're starting to... I

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don't want to say flesh out, but we're building

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up the totality of the fullness of what God wants

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to release. So to me, that's something I had

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to learn. We all have to learn. So he always

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throws these little things in there and then

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says, go back to the scripture, go back to the

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scripture. And so that was the first one, Enoch

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in Genesis. Enoch walked with God for 300 years

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and he was not for God took him. Yes. Well. Okay,

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what is that? Well, that's a translation. Physical.

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And he didn't see death. Elijah and the chariot

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of fire, a translation, and he did not see death.

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Yes. Philip, translocation. I use different terminology

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because one was physical and spiritual. One is

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just physical. Of course, they're spiritual.

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Sure. But just in the attempt to try and describe

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this. So all throughout scripture, he began to

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show me things. And I went, how come? This isn't

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on the radar of anybody in the church. Right.

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Yeah. Religious spirit will try and nullify the

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reality of the kingdom. True. And so that's it.

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That's it in a nutshell. And in that mix, you

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know, Reshma, the facet she plays, it's foundational.

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It's got to be. You have to be able to discern

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what's truth from error, what's God's spirit

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and any other spirit. So without that, so many

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people get led astray. Very true. Very true.

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And I so appreciate the fact that everything

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that you teach is so carefully founded on the

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Word of God. And then Reshma adds that extra

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piece of discerning by the Spirit. What is this?

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Is this the real thing? Because there's counterfeits

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out there, and that's what makes a lot of people

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afraid to even look at this subject. Because

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they think that this is just astral projection.

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Spooky spiritual. Yeah, spooky spiritual. But

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this is supposed to be normal Christianity. And

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I remember more than 50 years ago when I got

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the baptism in the Holy Spirit, I was hearing

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about people that were experiencing this thing

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of, you know, they're driving down the road and

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all of a sudden they have arrived at their...

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destination, and not enough time has passed.

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They've gotten where they were going without

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the time. So somehow they were translated into

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the place where they needed to be in God's timing.

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And so this is normal as far as I'm concerned.

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It never was kind of spooky spiritual out there

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to me because I heard about it when I was a teenager.

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You know, okay, well. Let's just do that. So

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the things that you're teaching are normal Christianity.

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You know, I've said it should become the norm

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in our life. It's not normal. But the Lord said,

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no, this is kingdom life. Yes. Kingdom life.

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And we're part of the kingdom and we should be

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operating based upon kingdom principles and kingdom

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life, not man's intellectual grasp of something

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that's spiritual, which is always far short of

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truth. Right. So, yeah. And, you know, when we're

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young in the Lord that we're, oh, that's cool.

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Yeah, I want to do that. Right. But as you hang

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around for a while, no, God doesn't do that.

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You can't do that. So doubt is something you

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learn, just like faith is something you grow

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in. Oh, mercy. Wow. God forbid. Yeah. And so

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we have to be purveyors of truth. and the potential

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or possibility of kingdom life rather than doubt

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and the impossibility of kingdom life. Amen.

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Amen. Well, there's so many churches that are

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teaching that all of these miracles left us with

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the apostles when they went home to be with the

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Lord, which is totally wrong. There's no evidence

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that that's true, except they had to come up

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with a reason for why they didn't have the power.

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Yeah. Well, sure. Well, that's the truth. But

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you know what it is? It's a brilliant strategy

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of the enemy to keep believers from their full

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inheritance in Christ. Amen. It's very true.

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And so why does the devil have to fight the church

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when he can have the church fighting the church?

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Wow. That's true. Problem solved. Let's move

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on to other things. Wow. Yeah. Just stir up trouble

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between people. Yep. And that's why the scripture

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talks about when we come to the unity of the

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faith. Yes. To the fullness of the stature of

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the knowledge of God. Right. Well, with all of

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these little schisms that are bred by the devil

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and people buy into them because they're taught

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to believe a lie, then we're not what we're supposed

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to be. We're not what we're going to be, but

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shortly we will be. Amen. Amen. Yeah. And, you

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know, we've had Dean Braxton on this podcast

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numerous times and you've known him. for many

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years since he had that experience where he went

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to heaven. And I just feel like it's God's mandate

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for us, really, to grasp what the kingdom is

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like. What is the kingdom of heaven like? What

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happens there? And let's start. acting it out

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here on earth as it is in heaven in the process

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of answering the prayer that Jesus taught us

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to pray, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on

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earth as it is in heaven. I think in this generation,

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we have the opportunity to participate in the

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answer to that prayer. Oh, very much. The word

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says, basically, set your affections on things

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above. Yes. So now he's giving us multiple examples

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through people who have had these. death experiences

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and come back to share so that we have a better

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grasp and focus, not only from a testimony standpoint,

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but from the scriptural standpoint. So what you

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focus on, you empower. So if you want the kingdom

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of heaven on earth, first it starts in us. What

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are we focusing on? And if we focus on the kingdom

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of heaven, now we're going to be, the natural

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outflow is releasing it on the earth because

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out of the abundance of the heart, it flows forth.

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Right? The mouth speaks. And we're in that season.

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The numbers of the Hebrew year, they're spelled

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out as letters in the Hebrew alphabet. There's

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no numbers in Hebrew. So they use letters. And

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this decade is the decade that is shown by the

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letter Peh, which is a P sound, you know. But

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it also means mouth. The word for mouth is also

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Peh. Our words in this season, in this time,

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are so important that we speak the word of God

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instead of speaking our own opinion that may

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be stilted and may be out of order. Right. Isn't

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that interesting? Just my quirky sense of humor,

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pay. What you speak, you were going to pay for.

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Oh, yeah. Or you paid for it. That's why you're

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speaking. But yeah. Yeah. There's a price to

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be paid for every word that comes out of our

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mouth. That's very true. Wow. And this new one

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coming up, 5786. Yeah. Fascinating. You're going

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to enjoy when we have my kid sister, I call her

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Patricia Bartell, coming to teach with us. We

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started her years ago on the letters and numbers

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and the pictographic. And she has, again, like

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everything she sets her focus on, she's passed

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me by like I'm standing still. She's put together

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courses in this now as well as powerful understanding.

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You're going to enjoy talking with her, but she

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might bring some of that to the table at the

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school too. And she's coming to this September

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school with us. Yeah, she'll be at the school.

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Wonderful. So we'll maybe have to interview her

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as well. Oh, wow. Actually, that would be awesome.

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And ask her lots of questions. Oh, good. Tremendous.

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So Reshma, tell us a little bit more about...

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your background and how this came to be that

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you're participating in the teaching and particularly

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about the importance of discernment. Well, my

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background, I was born and raised in Fiji Islands.

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So I grew up in the church. My family was radically

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saved through a supernatural vision. that my

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mom had. And our people are very, what do I call

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them, spiritual people or people who always saw.

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So I grew up in a family where my grandmother

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was a very spiritual person. And Hindus, my background

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is Hinduism, they worship over 3 million gods.

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300 million. Yes. And my grandmother was this

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priestess, I would call her. And she always invited

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spirits over herself to minister to people. She

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will have words of prophecy. She will read palms

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and everything. And when she did this, I watched

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it. As a little girl, she will change into this

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different person. Totally different. This sweet

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little grandma, her demeanor, her look, her body

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movements, her voice will change into this different

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thing. And then she will start speaking and she

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will start kind of prophesying and all these

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things. So people came to her. And now I understand

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that I could say that she was in witchcraft.

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So growing up, I knew that supernatural was very

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real because we saw it. We felt it. So when we

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became believers, my mom was supernaturally saved

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because she had a vision. So for me, it wasn't

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difficult to believe that supernatural is real.

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So if there is a dark side, there has to be a

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side that is full of light. That's what I always

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believed, good and evil, right and wrong, good

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spirits and bad spirits. So then growing up in

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the church, when I first got my Bible, it became

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so precious to me because I started reading that.

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And I started seeing things in the Bible and

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seeing the supernatural things that happen, talking

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to God and seeing Him and God visiting us. It

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did not take me by surprise. Because I was used

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to knowing that supernatural is real. And then

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I started seeing things in the Bible and seeing

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things in the church and some of the teachings

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of the way people were treated. And I started

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saying, oh, that's not what the Bible says. That's

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not true. So these things I pondered in my heart

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over my growing up years in the church. And I

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think so from a very young age. It must have

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been the grace of God. And it was that he started

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showing me things differently. I will have these

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dreams and visions that were so vivid about the

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last days. And at first, my family thought that

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there was something wrong with me because culturally

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also, we were not allowed to speak a lot in the

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church. And if we had dreams or visions or ever

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used a word like God said this to me or I saw

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this, you were made fun of. And also because

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the way women were looked at. So you were a woman,

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God couldn't talk to you. He only speaks to men,

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but not to women. So things like that. So a lot

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of things was suppressed and I was looked down

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on. But I had this relationship with the Lord

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and I started seeing right and wrong. So it was

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in me. So when I got married and came to the

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United States. And I started traveling with my

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husband some over 23 years ago now. Going around

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the world, we see a lot of things. We see a picture

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of the church in a big way. Broader stroke of

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the brush. Yeah. And the places we went to, things

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that happened, things that happened. And I'm

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like, huh, I will have this check in my spirit.

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So I will just talk to my husband. And then the

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Lord started talking to me all of a sudden, long

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time ago, probably now 18, 19 years ago. He started

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talking to me about discernment. And I would

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stand up and say that God said that we need discernment.

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But in the beginning, I... Didn't do a due diligence

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of listening to what God was saying or really

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studied or looked into it. But I started seeing

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a glaring need of discernment in the body of

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Christ. So over the years, he started speaking

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to me. And then really about, let's say now about

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10 years ago, we were going to Philippines. to

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do some ministry and we had our bags packed and

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we were leaving the house and Bruce turns around

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and looks at me and he goes, Reshma, I want you

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to get ready. You will be speaking this time.

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And I kind of looked at him, just smiled. And

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he's like, oh, you are just joking. They want

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to hear from you. They don't want to hear from

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me. You know, you are speaking. So I did not

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give much thought to it. How we husband and wife

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sometimes just brush each other off when they

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are saying something we are not serious. That's

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what I had done. So when we got to Philippines,

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the Lord started speaking to me within me. And

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it was so strong that he was saying that I was

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going to share something, that I was to stand

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up and share something about discernment. And

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I was just like, Lord, what are you doing? I

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think so we all know when God asks us to do something

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and we don't want to do it or we feel we are

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not equipped or not prepared. And he makes us

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very uncomfortable. He made me very uncomfortable

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where I had to say yes. And I said, Lord, but

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I haven't. I'm sorry that I have not read any

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materials of anybody. on discernment i didn't

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even look at all the scriptures in the bible

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i really didn't study it or make notes so i have

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nothing all i have is an empty notebook and a

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bible so if you would show me what to say then

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i will say it then he started speaking to me

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about discernment and he started showing me scriptures

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so that's where it all started and i I was able

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to put a message together, a teaching together

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really quickly. One morning we were waking up

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because I was struggling within myself, English

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being my second language. Sometimes I really

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feel intimidated standing in front of people

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and speaking. And then I like to hide behind

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my husband though he pushes me. I'm like, I don't

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have anything to say. If God says something to

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me, I will tell him and say, you tell the people.

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This is a word of knowledge. You tell them this

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is a word of prophecy. I was the hand puppet.

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But that time, God just came upon me so strongly.

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He started speaking to me. And then one morning,

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as we were waking up, Bruce pulls out this book

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from the drawer in the hotel room, and he opens

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it, and he gives it to me. And I open it, and

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it was like a devotional book. And on that particular

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page, it was written about Billy Graham. He was

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invited. to speak at this function where there

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were going to be white -collar jobs people, people

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from higher education, people from CEOs and all

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these smart people he considered, I would say,

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and he was to speak in front of them. And he

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was so nervous. He was just a young guy. He was

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just a young man, and he thought he was just

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a little preacher. Does he have to say in front

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of all these educated people? And the Lord spoke

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to him that day and encouraged him. Somebody

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called him, I think, and said to him that scripture

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where it says that, that I will open your mouth

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and I will feel it. And that encouraged him so

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much that morning. And he was able to go and

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had a great time. And so when Bruce did that

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to that page and I said, OK, Lord, I hear you.

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I really hear you. And I said, okay, I will just

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stand up and you will fill my mouth. So that's

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how it all started. The discernment message started

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building up. So everything that I share in the

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school on discernment directly came from the

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Lord. He led me through the Bible. And it's just

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been so exciting to be able to share what he

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laid out for me and for all of us. So that's

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where it started. Beautiful. Beautiful. And now

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her book should be published by the time we get

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to. Oh, really? Wonderful. Well, yeah, we've

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been talking about that for a couple of years,

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I think. Yes. Finally, we actually found somebody

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from Jasper that's doing it. What? Really? He

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might stop by. Yeah. Yeah. Angela. Her name is

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Angela. Wonderful. Wonderful. That's great. Yeah.

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So, Bruce, when you first got started with this

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idea, the Lord. planted in your heart, the question,

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can a man be translated by faith? What happened

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about a year later after you had been studying

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this? We were doing a New Year's conference,

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Andre Ashby and myself in a church in Coeur d

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'Alene, Idaho. Pastors there had been friends

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of mine for quite some time. As a matter of fact,

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my dad and pastor's wife, Ruth, her dad used

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to minister together way back. Wow. He said,

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so what's the Lord been talking to you about

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recently? And I started sharing a little bit

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about this. And he went, oh, are you going to

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speak on that? I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm

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not ready for that. I don't like to throw things

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out that I don't have a grasp of, you know. And

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the other couple that was in the ministry together,

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they partnered together, shared it with them.

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And when they got up to introduce the meetings

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and that, this other couple said, oh, and Bruce

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is going to teach on this. And now I'm like,

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well, no, no, no, no, no. And I'm a little bit

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annoyed. I'm just being honest. And during worship,

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I'm contending with God. And out of nowhere,

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I was caught away in the Spirit. Glory to God.

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Over Latvia. So that started it. And the truth

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is, my focus from where I had studied up to that

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point was translation was physical. So I didn't

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even equate this being caught away in the Spirit

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to a translation experience. But that was, again,

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part of the process over the years is the Lord

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trained me, and this gave me understanding. And

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then what happened after that is I saw a chariot

00:28:26.250 --> 00:28:31.650
of fire come in. I mean, bedlam. The pastor and

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his wife sat there and were caught away, and

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this other couple were caught. I mean, on and

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on and on. And the Lord really put his stamp

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on this and said, this is what you're called

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to. So I was really blown away in one respect,

00:28:45.210 --> 00:28:48.900
but a little bit. Not confused, but I say, Lord,

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why are you showing me this? He said, because

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I've called you to be a forerunner. And you're

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going to teach my people how to walk in this

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by faith because the hour is coming when this

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is going to be necessary for my people to embrace.

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Because there's going to be wars. There's going

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to be famine. There's going to be pestilence.

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There's going to be natural disasters. Everything's

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going to shut down, but my word will not be stopped.

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Amen. And so that's where it started. Yeah. And

00:29:20.420 --> 00:29:23.279
of course, we had even just a small taste of

00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.660
that in 2020 and 2021 that, you know, people

00:29:26.660 --> 00:29:31.119
weren't able to travel. And I think that probably

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:34.019
God's people did some of that already. And there

00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:36.940
are lots of people that have experiences where

00:29:36.940 --> 00:29:40.539
they think they're dreaming in the night. Exactly.

00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:44.000
And they're actually doing it. Yeah, that's true.

00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:46.400
That's part of. the process he took us through

00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.680
it in through the word, but you know, we reason

00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:55.980
away reality based upon doctrine. Yeah. And the

00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:57.839
Lord taught me through this process. It's better

00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.279
for you to err on the side of faith than on the

00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:05.420
side of doubt. Amen. So if you, you know, chew

00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:08.299
on that a little bit, it's okay. We started making

00:30:08.299 --> 00:30:12.279
part of our lifestyle, not every night, but as

00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.079
the spirit moves us mostly. Father, we're available

00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:19.019
tonight. Knowing that God can take us in the

00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:23.559
Spirit to do this. And why would I have to be

00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.680
asleep for that? Because you overthink during

00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.359
the daytime. And you can't turn the noise down

00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.480
enough to hear the voice of God or be obedient

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.059
to the Word of God. But at night, there's a measure

00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:41.200
of rest now God can do. Beautiful. And you mentioned

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:45.000
2020, a little taste of it, that reminds me of

00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.680
when 2020 hit, how many calls and emails we started

00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.180
getting from people. Because Bruce had been talking

00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:54.640
about this, you know, he believes very radically

00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.119
in the Word of God, all the things that happen

00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.880
in the Bible. And he said, you know, it's a possibility

00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.799
to happen in our generation, too, because the

00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.460
Word of God is profitable for every generation.

00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:07.720
And it's the same yesterday, today, forever,

00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.089
you know. Heaven and earth, the Bible says, will

00:31:11.089 --> 00:31:14.130
pass away, but His Word will not. And His Word

00:31:14.130 --> 00:31:18.569
is full of supernatural encounters. And we started

00:31:18.569 --> 00:31:20.430
getting calls because He's been talking about

00:31:20.430 --> 00:31:24.210
these things for over 20, 25 years. And some

00:31:24.210 --> 00:31:26.789
places we went to, they just made fun of Him.

00:31:27.269 --> 00:31:30.930
And some places, somebody would stand up and

00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:33.819
say, You are crazy and things like that. And

00:31:33.819 --> 00:31:36.660
all of a sudden, when 2020 happened, we started

00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:39.880
getting calls. We started getting emails. And

00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.599
they said, we are sorry or thank you. And you

00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.579
have been talking about these things for so many

00:31:45.579 --> 00:31:48.480
years. But now we see because he used to say

00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.579
a long time ago, there's going to be a day that

00:31:51.579 --> 00:31:54.359
we won't be able to travel. There will be a day

00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.880
that we will be locked down. Do you think because

00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.599
naturally we are locked down and God's work will

00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:03.410
stop? No. He will supernaturally take us places.

00:32:03.589 --> 00:32:07.069
His word will always go forth. His people will

00:32:07.069 --> 00:32:09.769
always be able to do what they've been called

00:32:09.769 --> 00:32:13.710
to do. So, yeah, it was an amazing taste in 2020.

00:32:13.930 --> 00:32:18.529
It's amazing. Yeah. 2020 was only a, it was the

00:32:18.529 --> 00:32:20.490
Lord's grace and mercy saying, pay attention

00:32:20.490 --> 00:32:23.269
now. I'm letting you know this is going to come.

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.799
even more than it has this time. So that to me

00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:29.519
was a starting point for many people to understand

00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.519
the Word of God and grasp it. Because what's

00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.700
before us naturally is going to be far more severe

00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:40.420
than this man -made problem was. There are natural

00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:44.039
things happening, volcanic, you know, the weather,

00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.640
floods, solar flares that are shutting down electronics

00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.049
and shutting down flights. we're in this and

00:32:51.049 --> 00:32:53.390
it's going to continue to increase and get worse

00:32:53.390 --> 00:32:56.549
and worse. So to me, the starting point for most

00:32:56.549 --> 00:32:58.690
believers is you better start focusing on the

00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:02.769
kingdom and God's solution to these things that

00:33:02.769 --> 00:33:05.369
are coming on the earth. So the time is now.

00:33:06.069 --> 00:33:09.890
Absolutely. Absolutely. So Reshma, you had an

00:33:09.890 --> 00:33:13.970
experience in the night some years ago where

00:33:13.970 --> 00:33:16.650
you dreamed something. Can you tell us about

00:33:16.650 --> 00:33:21.319
that? Yeah. Quite a few years ago now, I believe

00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.400
we were in Wisconsin ministering, and it was

00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:26.759
a Saturday night. I think it was 2016 when that

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.559
happened. It was a Saturday, and we went to bed.

00:33:31.099 --> 00:33:37.299
And I had this very vivid dream, very real and

00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:41.460
very tangible. All night long, I was going up

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:44.859
and down a beach and warning people to go to

00:33:44.859 --> 00:33:49.160
a higher ground. A huge wave was coming. So all

00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.019
night long, I was helping people. In an Asian

00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:56.359
country. And people look like Asian people. Middle

00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:58.900
of the night, I got up to go to the bathroom.

00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:02.759
I went back and right back into that. So in the

00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.920
morning when I woke up, we were getting ready

00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.740
to go to church to speak. And I said to Bruce,

00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.619
as he was getting ready, I said, I need to turn

00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:13.059
the TV on. And he said to me, Reshma, you know

00:34:13.059 --> 00:34:16.760
that. We don't turn TVs on in the hotel rooms.

00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.019
Before a meeting. Before a meeting. We understand

00:34:20.019 --> 00:34:23.059
that. But anyway, we hardly ever do it. And he

00:34:23.059 --> 00:34:25.340
said, I don't want any kind of influence. I don't

00:34:25.340 --> 00:34:27.800
want to see anything. We're preparing to go to

00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.579
church. And I said, no, no, you don't understand.

00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.619
I'm not turning it on because I want to watch

00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:35.639
TV. I said, there is something that has happened

00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.699
in the world, and I need to see it. And we turned

00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:42.760
the TV on and tsunami in Japan had just happened.

00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.460
That big tsunami that we all remember was so

00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:48.820
devastating. I was just like hit with this realization.

00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.619
Oh my gosh, was I there all night long helping

00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:56.320
people? It was so real. It was so real. So that

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.800
really shook me because I have had dreams like

00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.980
that before all through my life. I believe the

00:35:03.980 --> 00:35:07.480
majority of us have it because God sometimes,

00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.260
going around the world and sharing, people will

00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:12.519
come up to say, and they will say, you know,

00:35:12.579 --> 00:35:14.960
I have had dreams like that. I have seen myself

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.960
somewhere in the world praying for somebody,

00:35:18.179 --> 00:35:22.039
helping somebody, and all these. And so that

00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:26.420
was one of my very vivid ones years ago. Yeah,

00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:28.880
when the tsunami happened. Very interesting that,

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.659
you know, because you're in their time zone.

00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.360
So which is our night is their day. That's true.

00:35:35.739 --> 00:35:39.219
That's tremendous. I remember our founder, Sister

00:35:39.219 --> 00:35:42.519
Gwen Shaw, telling those kind of stories a lot.

00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:45.820
I remember there was one lady that she talked

00:35:45.820 --> 00:35:48.900
about. Her name was Confidence Cloats, I believe.

00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.000
I think that was her name. And she told us about

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.920
how this woman would have these dreams. And in

00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:58.380
her dreams, she was taken by an angel to some

00:35:58.380 --> 00:36:03.369
faraway place. minister while she's sleeping.

00:36:03.730 --> 00:36:06.730
She'd be ministering. And then she'd wake up

00:36:06.730 --> 00:36:09.090
in the morning and have this wonderful testimony

00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:11.550
of, oh, I had such a wonderful dream, right?

00:36:11.869 --> 00:36:15.730
So there was one time that she was taken, now

00:36:15.730 --> 00:36:18.190
she lived in California, and that she was taken

00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:22.150
by an angel to someplace in Asia. And as the

00:36:22.150 --> 00:36:24.949
angel is bringing her back, the sun is beginning

00:36:24.949 --> 00:36:28.409
to rise and she sees the coastline and she says,

00:36:28.780 --> 00:36:30.880
Could we just go down and let me get a handful

00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.599
of sand? And so the angel takes her down. She

00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.519
gets a handful of sand. The next thing she knows,

00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.639
here's this knock on the door. Sister Confidence,

00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:42.719
Sister Confidence, what's going on? You're sleeping

00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:45.340
so late. This is unusual for you. And it was

00:36:45.340 --> 00:36:49.420
the lady that lived with her and her assistant.

00:36:51.210 --> 00:36:55.030
She says, oh, come in, dear. And she begins to

00:36:55.030 --> 00:36:57.530
tell the wonderful testimony of how the angel

00:36:57.530 --> 00:37:00.849
took her and she was ministering in her dream.

00:37:00.969 --> 00:37:03.429
She's ministering in her dream. And she says,

00:37:03.510 --> 00:37:05.750
as the angel was bringing me back, I asked him

00:37:05.750 --> 00:37:10.809
to let me grab a handful of... And she opened

00:37:10.809 --> 00:37:14.030
her hand and she had a handful of sand. Oh, wow.

00:37:15.010 --> 00:37:18.409
So, yeah, there's something very real about all

00:37:18.409 --> 00:37:21.199
of these things that are going on. Mr. Confidence.

00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.820
Exactly. That's amazing. That's something by

00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:29.260
faith, isn't it? Yes, absolutely. And that's,

00:37:29.260 --> 00:37:32.199
I see a lot of people, they get hung up on the

00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.699
minutia. Was that me or was that my imagination?

00:37:34.820 --> 00:37:38.000
Was that a dream or was it real? Was that air

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.059
on the side of faith? Father, thank you for that

00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:43.340
opportunity. Can I do it again? Yes. We have

00:37:43.340 --> 00:37:46.079
an American Indian sister that is a very good

00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.670
friend of ours. she knew bruce before we were

00:37:48.670 --> 00:37:52.110
married so that's like over 25 26 years ago and

00:37:52.110 --> 00:37:54.110
when bruce started talking about these things

00:37:54.110 --> 00:37:57.190
and teaching and one day she came to us and uh

00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.750
she said bruce i have something for you apparently

00:38:00.750 --> 00:38:04.969
in 1950s she interviewed a man that was in 80s

00:38:04.969 --> 00:38:08.650
80s she had interviewed a man that was known

00:38:08.650 --> 00:38:12.510
to be taken in the spirit by the angels all over

00:38:12.510 --> 00:38:16.500
the world and she said bruce i have that VHS?

00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.420
VHS interview. Interview. And she said, I'm the

00:38:20.420 --> 00:38:23.199
only one who interviewed him. And she said, all

00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.219
these years I have been keeping it. But the Lord

00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:30.179
said to me to give it to you. Yeah. And we have

00:38:30.179 --> 00:38:35.019
the original copy of that. And we turned it on.

00:38:35.139 --> 00:38:40.550
Oh, my. Yes. There's testimonies after testimonies

00:38:40.550 --> 00:38:43.989
of this man being taken all over the world and

00:38:43.989 --> 00:38:47.869
to a point where his wife got so used to it.

00:38:47.949 --> 00:38:50.909
And she will share stuff like this on the show

00:38:50.909 --> 00:38:54.769
that her clothes, she'll wake up, his clothes

00:38:54.769 --> 00:38:58.230
will be there and he's not. And he's gone. And

00:38:58.230 --> 00:39:00.530
then she knew where he was that the Lord had

00:39:00.530 --> 00:39:03.730
taken him. And then she will share from around

00:39:03.730 --> 00:39:07.860
the world, he will bring souvenirs for her. Oh,

00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:11.159
wow. And neighbors would see flashes and he'd

00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.420
disappear and flashes, he'd come back. Isn't

00:39:13.420 --> 00:39:16.559
it some years ago that we had given to a man

00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.820
the VHS and he... No, we put it on CD. And he

00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:23.199
put it on CD, but then somebody put it on YouTube.

00:39:23.300 --> 00:39:27.619
So you can find it on YouTube. But his son called

00:39:27.619 --> 00:39:31.340
you. Yes. His son called us, this man's son,

00:39:31.539 --> 00:39:35.719
seven years ago. Really? Yes. And what was the

00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:38.840
conversation he had with you? Basically, he verified.

00:39:39.099 --> 00:39:41.340
Oh, yeah. He was okay with it. Yes. Oh, thank

00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:44.840
God. That's truth. That this happened to his

00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:48.039
dad. Wow. So that was pretty awesome. Yeah. But

00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.900
he was shunned by the church. Yes. Because they

00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:53.019
said, that's not God, that's the devil. Yeah.

00:39:53.460 --> 00:39:56.239
Yikes. Well, the things that he did were amazing.

00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.519
And only God. Only God. Yeah, because the same

00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.500
lady gave Sister Gwen a copy. Oh, okay. So we've

00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:06.360
had it for years too. Oh. Yeah, and you know

00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.280
what's interesting? I was reminded of this. They

00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.039
just had a 7 .3 earthquake in Alaska. Yeah. Remember

00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:18.860
the one back in 64? Yes. 7 .3? Yes. Guess what?

00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:22.360
He was by the Spirit taken there and ministered

00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.619
to people that were trapped. Really? Wow. So

00:40:25.619 --> 00:40:28.570
to me it was like. Pay attention. Pay attention.

00:40:28.889 --> 00:40:33.570
Yes. Because I've always said I want a supernatural

00:40:33.570 --> 00:40:36.269
first responder team to be there and help. Yes.

00:40:36.329 --> 00:40:38.909
Yes. That's one of my driving motivations in

00:40:38.909 --> 00:40:41.590
teaching this. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard you say

00:40:41.590 --> 00:40:43.389
that, and I was hoping that you would say it

00:40:43.389 --> 00:40:47.670
again for us on this episode. So, yeah, this

00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:53.949
is the point that we need to be doing what Jesus

00:40:53.949 --> 00:40:56.840
did. Because, you know, there's a place where

00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.400
he has spoken something in the synagogue in Nazareth,

00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:03.539
and it made everybody upset because he's really

00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:06.119
just declared himself to be the Messiah. And

00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:07.780
everybody's all upset, and they're going to take

00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:09.380
him to the edge of the cliff and throw him off.

00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:12.420
And then it just says he passed between them.

00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.760
Yeah, passed through them. He walked through

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.420
the crowd. Yeah, he walked through the crowd.

00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:20.000
Well, how do you do that and not be apprehended?

00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.760
You know, there had to be some kind of supernatural

00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.719
something. And then there's the time when he's

00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.559
walked on the water and he gets into the boat

00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.739
and instantly they're at their destination. That's

00:41:32.739 --> 00:41:35.840
translation. So Jesus said, the works that I

00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:40.579
do shall you do also and greater works. So we

00:41:40.579 --> 00:41:43.960
just need to allow the Holy Spirit to expand

00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:50.059
our spiritual mind. To begin to embrace him.

00:41:50.539 --> 00:41:54.460
Now, just before we close, let's talk for a moment

00:41:54.460 --> 00:41:59.619
about relationship in relationship to this. Relationship

00:41:59.619 --> 00:42:02.400
with the Lord. Can you just expound a little

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.059
on that? Because I know that this is critical.

00:42:04.699 --> 00:42:06.840
How can two walk together unless they be agreed?

00:42:07.219 --> 00:42:09.840
Yeah. How can you be in agreement if you don't

00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.619
know somebody? Right. How do you ever get to

00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:14.480
know somebody if you never spend time with them?

00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.639
Right. You've heard this expression, armchair

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.880
quarterbacks. We have a lot of religious armchair

00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.820
quarterbacks that think they have all the answers

00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:26.820
when they have nothing. They have head knowledge

00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:30.760
or an intellectual assent to a written document,

00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.440
not a relational revelation. And so relationship

00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.519
is so important because the Lord does not entrust

00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:42.780
the secrets of the kingdom to those who don't

00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:46.139
know him. Right. So if you want to walk in the

00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:48.900
deeper realms of kingdom life, you must spend

00:42:48.900 --> 00:42:52.659
time with the author of life. And so that he

00:42:52.659 --> 00:42:55.659
becomes your most intimate acquaintance, your

00:42:55.659 --> 00:42:57.960
best friend, your Lord, your King, your God.

00:42:58.260 --> 00:43:01.039
Not just somebody that's in the periphery of

00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.719
your acquaintance list, you know. We all say,

00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.880
oh, I've got a lot of friends, but how many true

00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.400
friends do you really have? So that's the whole

00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.860
point. We pushed religion rather than focused

00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:17.039
on relationship. Exactly. And that is the most

00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.820
important thing in the life of a believer, is

00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:23.059
developing a passionate relationship with the

00:43:23.059 --> 00:43:26.320
living God. That's why he came and died, so we

00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.260
could have that. Exactly. So anything less than

00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:32.880
that is really snubbing or doing despot to the

00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.820
very fact, the reason he came. It's like, well,

00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:40.599
whatever. What is it? Familiarity breeds contempt.

00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.940
Yeah. And so he's always taught me that relationship

00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:49.019
is more important than anything else. Yes. I've

00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:50.599
just watched it over the years, not only for

00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.539
myself. This is where I've got to start. But

00:43:53.539 --> 00:43:56.260
then you can start recognizing what's the motive

00:43:56.260 --> 00:43:59.519
for a lot of people being in ministry. Wow. Well,

00:43:59.539 --> 00:44:02.320
you can watch how they conduct themselves in

00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.920
ministry and you begin to recognize, okay, what's

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.849
the hook? Is it money? Is it prestige? Is it

00:44:09.849 --> 00:44:11.530
I'm going to be a success? I'm going to have

00:44:11.530 --> 00:44:14.570
the biggest, the best? Or is it out of a love

00:44:14.570 --> 00:44:18.449
for God? Right. That's the difference. The greatest

00:44:18.449 --> 00:44:22.650
warriors, the most profound reflections of Christ

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are the hidden ones that walk with him day in

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and day out without needing the accolades or

00:44:27.329 --> 00:44:29.889
the recognition of the world. And so there are

00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:32.489
so many people having translocation or kingdom

00:44:32.489 --> 00:44:35.719
experiences. that we never hear because they

00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.599
don't share them. They don't cast their pearls

00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:43.039
before swine. Once they recognize that others

00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.280
have that, then they can begin to share because

00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.639
now we're on common ground. And I've had so many

00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.340
people finally share their testimonies because

00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:54.519
they go, oh, you understand. We were talking

00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.320
about Dean Braxton. When I first met Dean just

00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.260
shortly after his experience, I was fascinated

00:45:02.260 --> 00:45:05.420
because I've studied these. for years i said

00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:07.500
so tell me about your experience he said i can't

00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:10.599
i said what do you mean he said the lord said

00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.659
if you don't ask a question i'm not i can't answer

00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:16.480
it well okay so what about this did you see yeah

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.179
and how about yeah and you know i think that

00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:23.219
oh you you've been there yeah yeah yeah so then

00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:26.320
now we had common ground now he could share right

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.920
and i believe that's the way it is with a lot

00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.179
of seasoned saints that know not to just you

00:45:32.179 --> 00:45:35.070
know throw things out Yeah. So it's relationship.

00:45:35.829 --> 00:45:38.929
Absolutely. And on the other hand, concerning

00:45:38.929 --> 00:45:42.030
relationship, concerning discernment, I would

00:45:42.030 --> 00:45:47.050
say also that we all know that supernatural has

00:45:47.050 --> 00:45:50.630
become a catchphrase in Christendom now. Let's

00:45:50.630 --> 00:45:54.010
say for the past 15 years, we have so many books

00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:57.539
written. We have so many. material out there

00:45:57.539 --> 00:46:00.400
videos people having supernatural experiences

00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.519
they talk about visiting with angels seeing angels

00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.480
going to heaven meeting saints meeting jesus

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:10.840
all this but how are we to discern and in the

00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.139
in the bible it talks about in book of hebrews

00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:16.500
chapter 5 verse 14 but strong meat belongs to

00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:19.340
them that are full of age even those who by reason

00:46:19.340 --> 00:46:22.900
of use their senses exercise to discern both

00:46:22.900 --> 00:46:27.909
good and evil so Are we able to discern people

00:46:27.909 --> 00:46:30.489
who are sharing? I'm not saying that God cannot

00:46:30.489 --> 00:46:33.190
do these things. Yes, he does. Bible is full

00:46:33.190 --> 00:46:37.030
of it. But Bible also cautions us to be able

00:46:37.030 --> 00:46:40.030
to discern the spirits they are operating from

00:46:40.030 --> 00:46:42.590
because there are also a lot of lying signs,

00:46:42.730 --> 00:46:44.909
wonders, and miracles. That's right. And the

00:46:44.909 --> 00:46:47.170
Bible even talks about that the enemy can come

00:46:47.170 --> 00:46:50.889
as an angel of light. So we have to spend that

00:46:50.889 --> 00:46:54.429
time with the Lord. Even in book of Matthew chapter

00:46:54.429 --> 00:46:57.929
24, the Lord, when the disciples came to him

00:46:57.929 --> 00:46:59.989
and asked him, tell us the signs of the last

00:46:59.989 --> 00:47:04.349
days. And the very first thing the Lord talked

00:47:04.349 --> 00:47:07.630
about, see that you will not be deceived. Amen.

00:47:07.969 --> 00:47:12.250
Deception. There is so much deception in the

00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:15.510
world today and in the church today. And then

00:47:15.510 --> 00:47:18.289
he went on to say there will be rumors of wars.

00:47:18.389 --> 00:47:21.590
There will be all these natural things. But the

00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:25.289
very first thing that you are not deceived, you

00:47:25.289 --> 00:47:27.809
know, there are false prophets, false teachers.

00:47:28.699 --> 00:47:31.199
coming and deceiving people. So we've got to

00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.360
be able to discern in this hour. So that's where

00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.239
the teaching of discernment comes in because

00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.800
we talk a lot in the school also about supernatural

00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.659
things. But we've got to be able to discern right

00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:44.900
and wrong, good and evil, right spirit and wrong

00:47:44.900 --> 00:47:48.179
spirit. It's so important. We see it everywhere.

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.179
It's just amazing to see the deception out there.

00:47:51.340 --> 00:47:54.320
Right. And especially with AI being what it is

00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.400
and gaining more ground, there's so much, so

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:03.320
much that AI can counterfeit. Yeah. And one of

00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:05.639
the things that I quickly say, if we have time,

00:48:05.699 --> 00:48:10.159
is it's called digital harvesting. So what happens

00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.389
is AI prophecies. So what is happening is that

00:48:14.389 --> 00:48:17.210
people going online, if you have put any information

00:48:17.210 --> 00:48:20.550
about yourself online, they will go harvest that.

00:48:20.670 --> 00:48:24.610
They will see all the videos or maybe you put

00:48:24.610 --> 00:48:26.670
in your happiness. You've been through something

00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:29.210
and they find out all this information about

00:48:29.210 --> 00:48:32.170
you online. And then they contact you online

00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:34.690
and they will try to give you a word of prophecy.

00:48:35.030 --> 00:48:38.449
And people are buying into it. Yeah, there was

00:48:38.449 --> 00:48:42.280
a woman that actually. asked the AI for a prophetic

00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.440
word. Oh no, she had a tongue and she wanted

00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.500
an interpretation. And so she thought, oh, let's

00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:51.360
do this. And the AI interpreted it and she said

00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.639
it was spot on. And so now she's pushing, we

00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.239
need to do this. Encouraging people to ask AI.

00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:01.840
And it's not the Spirit of God. There are people

00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.260
not getting things from the Spirit of God, from

00:49:04.260 --> 00:49:07.519
AI. And now pastors are using AI just for messages.

00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:10.159
They don't even study anymore. So how do you

00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.659
discern that? Is this the gospel according to

00:49:12.659 --> 00:49:15.039
a computer or the gospel according to the kingdom?

00:49:15.340 --> 00:49:19.780
Right. So, yes, we have to discern. Yes. Absolutely.

00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:24.320
And character is the tell. Yep. Yep. Go there.

00:49:24.579 --> 00:49:27.679
Talk about that. In the class, we are going to

00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.579
go through and look at discernment from all angles.

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.139
We are going to talk about it. We are going to

00:49:33.139 --> 00:49:35.800
have question and answer sessions on it. And

00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.280
it's going to be amazing. Yeah. Well, instead

00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.699
of me going into great detail, you know, we teach

00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:45.619
about character, the character of Christ. Yes.

00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.619
Jesus said, I come in my Father's name. That

00:49:47.619 --> 00:49:49.500
word name means character, honor, and authority.

00:49:50.019 --> 00:49:52.800
We're to come in Christ's name. We pray in his

00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.760
name. We do these works in his name. That means

00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.280
his character. Yes. And without character, you're

00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:05.099
not going to have kingdom. Yep. So that's in

00:50:05.099 --> 00:50:07.440
a nutshell. I actually just wrote a booklet on

00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.219
that. Oh. So, yeah, we'll get you some of those,

00:50:10.219 --> 00:50:13.260
too. Good. Good. So you've written a number of

00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:18.320
books. How can people get your books? Amazon,

00:50:18.539 --> 00:50:21.800
our website, your bookstore. Yes, we do have

00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:25.239
some in our bookstore. Yeah. You also have a

00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:28.579
website. What's your website? Stillwatersinternationalmissions

00:50:28.579 --> 00:50:33.199
.com. Stillwatersinternationalmissions .com.

00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:36.139
Okay, we'll put a link to that. And we'll also

00:50:36.139 --> 00:50:39.840
put a link to some of our previous episodes with

00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.340
the two of you and let people enjoy that. So

00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:47.380
we're really looking forward to having you with

00:50:47.380 --> 00:50:50.579
us. And of course, there will be a link to the

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:53.099
event page where we have the school so that people

00:50:53.099 --> 00:50:56.019
that are interested can read all about it and

00:50:56.019 --> 00:50:59.059
say, hey, I'm coming and click on that register

00:50:59.059 --> 00:51:03.559
button and be there, be here with us. And I just

00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:05.099
sensed, you know, by the Spirit of God, this

00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:07.059
year when we taught the other three schools,

00:51:07.340 --> 00:51:10.420
I had a great expectation that the Lord was releasing

00:51:10.420 --> 00:51:13.679
something new. And this has been building all

00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.920
year, so I really have an expectancy on this

00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.420
school that something is going to be released.

00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:22.599
I don't know exactly what, and it might be, but

00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.639
it's going to be interesting. I'm coming expecting.

00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.920
Yeah, we're expecting too. Practical things that

00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.219
I like to mention is about this school at Global

00:51:33.219 --> 00:51:36.719
Outpouring. A lot of people don't get this information

00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:41.110
is that it is one of the best places. that we

00:51:41.110 --> 00:51:43.829
venues that we like to come because everything

00:51:43.829 --> 00:51:47.150
is on one compound. You have the school there

00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:50.489
and you also have a place to sleep. So you don't

00:51:50.489 --> 00:51:52.670
have to be running around and, you know, stress

00:51:52.670 --> 00:51:56.130
going to hotels and stuff and also meals. So

00:51:56.130 --> 00:51:59.130
everything is in one compound and it's a beautiful

00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:02.369
property, a great place for morning walks and

00:52:02.369 --> 00:52:04.869
stuff like that. It's a, it's a best deal. That's

00:52:04.869 --> 00:52:06.670
what I have to say. I love it. We'll keep the

00:52:06.670 --> 00:52:12.349
bears on leashes. Yeah, there are bears. Yeah,

00:52:12.469 --> 00:52:14.349
we actually do have bears. We have air horns,

00:52:14.369 --> 00:52:17.889
though. Yeah. They're not going to come around

00:52:17.889 --> 00:52:20.250
when there's a lot of people around. I don't

00:52:20.250 --> 00:52:22.090
think we'll see them. They're not grizzlies like

00:52:22.090 --> 00:52:25.309
you get up. No, no, no. We have authority. That's

00:52:25.309 --> 00:52:27.809
true. We all get to eat together. It's pretty

00:52:27.809 --> 00:52:30.829
awesome. Beautiful. Well, Bruce, would you pray

00:52:30.829 --> 00:52:33.570
for our listeners before we close? I'd be honored.

00:52:33.610 --> 00:52:36.610
Father, we thank you for this time together where

00:52:36.610 --> 00:52:41.340
we... We touched on many things. But I ask you,

00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:43.760
Father, to stir the hearts of those who are listening,

00:52:43.900 --> 00:52:48.820
to pursue you through your word, through prayer,

00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.000
through worship, and through quiet times, just

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.260
waiting on you. In this hour, Father, it's imperative

00:52:56.260 --> 00:52:59.619
that we know you. Yes. More than any other time

00:52:59.619 --> 00:53:02.119
in the history of mankind, this is the final

00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:07.570
moments. So we must be close with you. And so

00:53:07.570 --> 00:53:11.110
I pray a grace come upon everybody that is hearing

00:53:11.110 --> 00:53:15.170
this podcast and an activation within them of

00:53:15.170 --> 00:53:17.210
the things that you have been building in them

00:53:17.210 --> 00:53:20.510
for years. And I thank you, Father, for this.

00:53:20.769 --> 00:53:33.090
In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Please subscribe,

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