(279) “Following Jesus with the Cross” with Keith Wheeler

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And I said, Jesus, how do I reach these people?

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Speak, Lord, your servant's listening. And just

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like when you see an animal get branded, that's

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the only way I can describe it. I felt the branding

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of God's voice on my soul. I want you to make

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a large wooden cross and begin walking through

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the streets of Tulsa on Good Friday. God promises

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in Joel 2 .28 to pour His Spirit out on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend

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for that promise outpouring, we equip for that

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outpouring, so that we may engage in that very

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outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss.

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Welcome to the podcast today. We are so delighted

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to have with us a friend who is very, very dear

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to our hearts. We haven't seen each other for

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many years, but his name is Keith Wheeler. Perhaps

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you've heard of him. Maybe you haven't. But he

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is a man of God that has taken up his cross and

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followed Jesus, literally. Jesus challenged him

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to take up his cross, to build a 12 -foot cross

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and carry it around the world. And he has been

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doing that now for many years. And he's going

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to share some of his testimonies on this episode.

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And you're going to be really blessed with how

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the Lord has led him in his work. That is Jesus'

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work. Thanks so much for joining us today. We

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are so encouraged with the goodness of God in

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this episode. You're going to really enjoy it.

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But before we get started, we want to encourage

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you, if you haven't already done so, that you

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go out to our website, globaloutpouring .net,

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at feedback at globaloutpouring .org. Enjoy the

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things that we have out there on our website.

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And I think this is one of those episodes that

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you're going to want to share with others. So

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share this on social media or send a text with

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a link to it to your friends. This is going to

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be a life changing episode. Keith Wheeler, it

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is such a delight for us to have you with us

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on this Global Outpouring episode. I'm so delighted.

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It's been really a long time since we've been

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connected, but we've been connected for many

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years. Yes. So welcome. Welcome to this episode.

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What a treat. Thanks for the gift of your all's

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time. I really appreciate it. We appreciate the

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gift of your time because we know that, well,

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you're just getting ready to go on another long

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walk. But we'll get to that in a minute. Let's

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just go back for a moment. You were raised not

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so very far from here, just in the big town nearby.

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We're in the little town south of little town

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of Jasper, which is population about 500. So

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Harrison is. Not quite three times bigger. About

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13 ,000. Anyway, we're just so delighted that

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you're here. And just tell us a little bit about

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how we got connected in the first place and how

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long ago was that? It was a long time ago. Once

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again, thank you, guys. It's such an honor to

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be reconnected with you all. I grew up and went

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to Harrison schools, but I grew up out in the

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country more. on the north side of Harrison,

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out toward Bergman and Bled Hill. My nearest

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neighbor was two and a half miles away. Wow.

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So I really grew up out in the country. Went

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away to school. I tell people my short story,

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and I hope this makes sense, is I was a Christian

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for 20 years, and then I met Jesus. Okay. Or

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you could say that I loved Jesus for 20 years.

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And then I fell in love with him. Oh, yes. There's

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a number of other ways of saying that. And out

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of that, he gave me the beautiful invitation

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eventually of carrying a cross, of walking together

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with him and carrying a cross. And I try to always

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be really clear up front. I'm often introduced

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as this is a guy who's carried a cross around

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the world. And I said, if that's... true, if

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that's all it is, then I'm just a Christian tourist,

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a spiritual adventurer. Because the cross without

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Jesus is meaningless. The cross without Jesus

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is, minus Jesus, it's still the greatest device

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of torture, the most heinous thing that mankind

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has ever come up with. But with Jesus and his

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redemption of the cross, it becomes the greatest

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symbol of hope and peace and unconditional love.

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of faith that there ever has been. And my journey,

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if I'm just a guy who's carried a cross around

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the world, minus Jesus, then that's all I am

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is a Christian tourist. But if he can redeem

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the cross, then that means he can redeem me.

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And if he can redeem me, then he can redeem others.

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And I don't call it his commission or his commandment.

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It's his invitation. The creator of the heavens

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and the earth. The one who breathes stars and

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calls them by name is the one and the one who

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knows how many hairs are on my head. Right. He's

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the one who has invited me to sit on the front

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row center stage and watch him do what he does

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best. Oh, I love that. And he blesses. He changes

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people's lives forever. He touches them. He heals

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them. He saves them. He delivers them. And the

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world pays premium prices to sit front row center

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stage, whether it's 50 -yard line at the Super

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Bowl or midcourt, seventh game, NBA finals, or

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whatever your favorite recording artist is or

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band. But here's the creator of all, the king

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of all. And he says, I want you to sit here and

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I'm going to do it and I'm going to let you watch

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me do it. That's beautiful. So he did. In 1985,

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on Good Friday, he invited me to begin carrying

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the cross and walking together with him. How

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did that happen? How did that happen? Tell us

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the story. Well, I'll back up just a little bit

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to get to that first question. That was kind

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of a long introduction. Sorry. That's a good

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introduction. But it was five years into celebrating

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that. I was invited by some local pastors in

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the Jasper area. to come celebrate five years

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of carrying the cross. And one of those pastors

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was a pastor by the name of Earl Bergman. And

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he pastored there in a little community church

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right there at the bottom of the hill of Highway

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7, just south of Jasper. It was my first time

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ever speaking in a church. He had heard me. First

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time ever. Now, just to give context, Earl Bergman

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was Gwen Shaw's brother. Correct. They're both

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in heaven now. And that's where I was going because

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his sister happened to come to the service that

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night and attend. And after the service, my first

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sermon, she came up to me and she said, young

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man, I would love for you to bring the cross

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to Washington, D .C. and speak at our international

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convention there in Washington, D .C. And I think

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that was in... 96 or 97 when I got to do that.

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And that actually set the stage for me many years

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later. But on either that first or second Washington,

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D .C. event that I got to attend and speak at,

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which it just shows what an incredible lady Sister

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Gwen was. But she could see things that... The

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rest of us couldn't because I was definitely

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a shepherd boy out in the backside of the wilderness.

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And she saw something that even I had no idea.

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And I still don't really see myself as a speaker.

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I think that's why God called me to carry the

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cross. He said, you know, he's not a great speaker.

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He's not real handsome. He can't sing for sure.

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But he loves me. He loves people and he can carry

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wood. And he's given me that privilege. But it

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was out of that that... She and I developed a

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beautiful friendship, and I got to come to your

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events. But on that second one, I think in Washington,

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D .C., she said, I have a place for you to stay.

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And I said, well, that's great. And it was the

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Iranian embassy. Seriously? I mean, how many

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Americans actually have gotten to sleep in the

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Iranian embassy? And I thought, if I can sleep

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in the Iranian embassy, I can carry the cross

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in Iran. And shortly after that, maybe a year

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or two later, I actually carried the cross in

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the nation of Iran for 19 days. Wow. That all

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goes back to my journey with her. The journey

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with the cross in answering your question is,

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as I said, I was Christian. I was a good Christian.

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And we have a saying there in the hills that

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says just because there's paint on the outside

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of the barn doesn't mean there's not manure on

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the inside. That was truly a story of my life.

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I tell people my story and it's important to

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listen closely or you miss something really important.

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My parents were hippies when I was growing up.

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I don't know if they were hillbilly hippies or

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hippie hillbillies. But things were pretty crazy

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at my house. But my parents always believed in

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me and believed in my dreams. And I was an athlete.

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And they sent me to a Christian athletic camp.

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And there I heard about being a Christian. And

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they told me about the beauty of heaven, the

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horror of hell. And I think any seven -year -old

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boy would say, I choose heaven. Anybody in their

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right mind will. I'm going to become a Christian.

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It was really quite an easy decision. They said,

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next step, you need to go to church. There's

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a lot of choices. And if your parents don't go

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to church, where do you go? Especially if you

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live in the country. Yeah. But I knew a girl

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that I kind of liked, and she was Catholic. And

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so I decided I would become Catholic. I went

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through catechism, through confirmation classes.

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And in order to be baptized, though, I had to

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drive all the way over to Siloam Springs, where

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the bishop was. And I was baptized in Siloam

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Springs. But there was another pretty girl and

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she went to the Episcopal Church. So you got

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to cover your bases. And I went through their

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confirmation classes and was baptized and had

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communion in the Episcopal Church. I played basketball

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with a friend who went to the Lutheran Church.

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And so I went through their classes, met his

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pastor. We've gone past priests now. And I was

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baptized in a Lutheran Church. Played football

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with a friend who went to the Presbyterian Church.

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So those are just the ones that you have to have

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confirmation classes. But I was also baptized

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in the United Methodist, the Disciples of Christ,

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Evangelical Free, Assemblies of God, Independent

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Charismatic, American Baptist, Missionary Baptist,

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and multiple times in the Southern Baptist Church.

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So whatever your theology is, I'm covered. I've

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been sprinkled, splashed, dunked, held under

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bubbles. Either the wettest or the cleanest Christian

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you've ever met. And then they said, now you

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have to pray. And I've always been an overachiever.

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And so I said, how much? And they said, well,

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one hour. And the baptism I didn't mention. was

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I was baptized before those baptisms because,

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as I said, my parents were hippies, and they

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did transcendental meditation. So my parents

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had made us be baptized into transcendental meditation,

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actually by the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And I

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got sprinkled, and I got a mantra. And you're

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not supposed to tell your mantra to anybody.

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Mine was not om. Mine was ing, I -N -G. shared

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with my sister. Well, she got the same one. So

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I'm wondering if they didn't distribute ings

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to everybody that day. I don't know. But we had

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to go to our room for an hour. My parents wanted

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us to go meditate for an hour. And I had to say

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the word ing for an hour. You just come up with

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different ways of inging. So when they said that

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I need to pray for an hour, praying was much

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easier than inging. So that was easy. They said,

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now read your Bible every year from cover to

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cover. And I love to read. So I did that every

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year. And one year I made it through three times

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in a year. And then they gave me the don'ts.

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Don't smoke while I was training for the Olympics.

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So that was easy. And putting fire in my mouth

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never made sense anyway. And don't drink. And

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I'd done it once. And I saw how silly it made

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some of my. parents and their friends act. And

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so no, thank you. And when I did drink one time,

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it tasted like fire. So, okay. And again, I'm

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training for the Olympics and don't chase the

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girls. That was a little bit harder, but, but

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I, I'm a rule keeper and I was a straight A student.

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I was an all American athlete. And once again,

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I had a beautiful coat of paint on this Christian

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barn, but there was manure on the inside. And

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if you listen to my story at the first, I didn't

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say anything about Jesus. I said I became a Christian.

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I'm sure I probably would have gone to heaven

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because, I mean, I could tell you apologetics.

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I mean, I met him, but I didn't know him. There's

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a huge difference. And one night on a beach in

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Florida, I realized, and it's a long story, I

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won't go into it, but it's a beautiful story.

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Actually, I have this on my desk. I don't know

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if you can see, but it's a railroad spike. It's

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about the size of the nails that must have gone

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through Jesus' hands. Sharp enough to penetrate

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the skin, but dull enough to cause as much tissue

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damage as possible and heavy enough to hold a

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man's weight. And I realized that it wasn't the

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Roman soldier who put him there with those nails.

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It wasn't the decision of the Jewish lawyers

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and judges. If he died for my sin, I'm guilty.

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of the murder of God in the flesh when he came

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to this earth to show us his love. And yet he

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said, Father, forgive them. But he included me

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in that. Forgive him. He doesn't know what he's

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doing. And then he said, it's finished. And literally

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he said, it's paid in full, my price. And I fell

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in love. I fell head over heels, hopelessly,

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madly, crazy, twitterpated, thunkerpated, upside

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down in love with the king of all. And when I

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did that, I had been pursuing the Olympic medal.

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I felt like he said, who is Lord, me or that

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gold medal? I was training 12 to 14 hours a day

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in the summertime. Would you be willing to give

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me the same amount of time, energy, and training?

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Blood, sweat, and tears. It's a no -brainer,

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yes. So I did. I skipped nationals that year.

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delivered Bibles. It was still Soviet Union.

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I was arrested three times by the KGB. I didn't

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have to serve it, but I did end up, it's a long,

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really hilarious story, but I almost faced a

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two and a half year prison sentence and almost

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had to serve it in Soviet Union before there

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was Russia. And so I saw what real faith was.

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And then I had just graduated by now. And I had

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this thirst to know the Bible better, transferred

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to, came up here for graduate school in Tulsa,

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Oklahoma at Oral Roberts University. If I would

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have known it was seminary, I wouldn't have gone

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because in my world, seminary was cemetery. That's

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where preachers go to die. But God knew what

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he was doing. And he had me there for a reason.

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After three days, I turned to the guy next to

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me. I said, bro, this is just like seminary.

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And he looked at me and said. son, where do you

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think you are? Honestly, I had no idea. And I

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tried to leave multiple times. Again, long story,

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beautiful story, but God had me there. I'm so

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thankful because while I was there, I had to

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write a paper on the Holy Spirit. Every student

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that attends, whether you're a graduate student

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or undergraduate student, you have to write this

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paper, whether you're in seminary or... whether

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you're in a business class or whether you're

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in education, everybody at the school has to

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write a paper on who is the Holy Spirit. What

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is his purpose? What is the evidence of his work

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in our life? And if you remember my resume of

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churches, I attended a lot of different perspectives

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on the Holy Spirit. Some said that dispensation

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of the Holy Spirit, miraculous, the voice of

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God was all past. And others say. Everybody has

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to speak in tongues. And if you don't, you're

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not saved. And you have to speak so loud and

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so many decibels and so many syllables per second.

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And I looked and said, Jesus, what do you say?

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And I came across a verse in Acts chapter 1,

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verse 8. And I would say this. I would add this.

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I ran across this phrase. I don't know who to

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attribute it to. They said, the issue is not

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tongues. The issue is the tongue. And I thought,

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yeah, that was really powerful. But Acts chapter

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one, verse eight, Jesus speaking to the disciples

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said, you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit

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comes upon you and you shall. And he didn't say

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a thing about speaking in tongues or not. You

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shall be witnesses. Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria,

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the uttermost parts of the earth. I don't ever

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want to be a cherry picker when it comes to Bible

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verses, but that seemed pretty. clear. But Jesus

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in Luke chapter four, when he opens the scroll

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of Isaiah in the synagogue in Nazareth, the spirit

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of the Lord is upon me for he's anointed me to,

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he didn't say anything about tongues or no tongues,

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preach good news. And so then as I'm following

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this thread, I read Mark chapter one, verse 17,

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follow me and I will make you fishers of men.

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And so I would add this at this point of my life.

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He didn't say we're catchers of men. He's the

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catcher. We're the fishers. And I would be very

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clear. I've never led anybody to Jesus if the

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Bible's true. He says no one comes to the Father

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unless he draws them. If he is lifted up, he

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draws all men unto himself. He's the author.

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He's the finisher. He who began a good work.

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It's not by might. It's not by power. It's by

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my spirit, says the Lord. In fact, I'm 65 now,

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so I think I can say this. It's an addendum.

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If somebody has to tell you how many people they've

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led to Jesus, then hide your wallet because all

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they're after is your money. But it's true. I

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mean, because otherwise we get glory and we use

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statistics and numbers to pad our ministry. I

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don't have a ministry. Jesus does. And it's his

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ministry. to my life, in my life, and I pray

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overflowing out of my life. That's my definition

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of ministry. It's true, real ministry is simply

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the overflow of a life lived in love with Jesus.

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And so as I'm reading these verses, I, okay,

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by nature, my personality type, I am probably

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the shyest, most insecure, fearful, timid person

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you've ever met. Now I'm adventurous as far as...

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climbing rocks and mountains and swinging off

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vines and pole vaulting and all of those kind

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of things. But talking to strangers, I'm a hillbilly

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boy. I'm a country boy that I would just rather

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be out in the woods. But God didn't call me according

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to my strength. He called me according to my

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weaknesses so that he might be made strong. And

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so I remember reading those verses and I said,

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Lord, am I even? filled with your Holy Spirit?

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Am I baptized with your Holy Spirit? Am I even

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following you? Because I'm not witnessing. I

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was the guy that said, my life will be a witness.

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Of course, when somebody tells me that today,

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first of all, the Bible says, how will they know

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unless they hear? And of course, a lot of people

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speak with their mouth, but not with their life.

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Well, that's hypocrisy. But other people speak

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with their life, but not with their mouth. That's

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confusion. Somebody might think, you know, you're

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a vegetarian or a football player. You know,

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how will they know unless they hear? And so I

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laid down on the floor and I was there for hours.

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And this is before Toronto Blessing made this

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phrase popular. This was 1984, fall of 84. More,

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Lord, more. God, give me more of you. More, Lord.

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Crying and praying and repeating it over and

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over, desperate for more of God so that I would

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feel different so that I could go tell people

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about Jesus. And after nearly four hours, I felt

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like Jesus said to me, shut up and listen to

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me. I felt like he said, son, I'm not a stock.

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I'm not a commodity. You cannot buy or sell or

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trade me. I'm not a part or a parcel or a portion.

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I'm all that I ever was. I'm all that I ever

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will be. I'm all that I am. And when I came to

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live with you, everything I ever was, everything

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I ever will be, all that I am, came to live with

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you. The question is not you getting more of

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me. It's me getting all of you. And I said, OK,

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don't feel different. Don't look different. Probably

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don't smell different. So I'm going to go tell

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people about Jesus. And I got my big Ryrie study

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Bible and the best tracks I could get were cartoons.

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And, you know, they basically said everybody

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else is going to hell except me. And I thought,

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OK, where? Remember, this is 1984. The materials

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we have available today weren't available then.

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Where are lost? people. And I thought, has to

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be bars. Everybody always told me, stay away

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from bars. So remember, I'm in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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And I know where the bars are. There's a section

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of town, they tell you don't go. And in the 80s,

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it was called the Restless Ribbon. And people

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came from Texas and Missouri and Kansas and Arkansas

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and would cruise up and down and bars all up

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and down. So I've got my big Bible. Got my gospel

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tracts and I show up at 8 o 'clock and nobody

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was there. And I thought, you know, Tulsa really

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is a Christian town. There are no sinners here.

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And they all started backsliding about 9 o 'clock.

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And by 10 o 'clock, they were really backsliding.

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12 o 'clock is full on backslide. And the part

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that I'm ashamed about is I'd been there four

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hours and I didn't tell anybody about Jesus.

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Because I use the excuse, I don't feel led. And

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of course, now when people use that phrase, I

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said, where is that in the Bible? And what does

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feeling led feel like? Does it tickle? Does it

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shazam? Does it gotcha? The Bible says as many

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as are led by his spirit, not by feelings, will

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be called sons of God. And the word of God was

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written under the leadership. of the Holy Spirit.

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So every word in this book, if I obey this book,

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I'm obeying him. People often ask me, do you

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have a word from God for me? I said, yes, read

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the word and do it. And we don't have to have

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a word. We've got the word. I'm thankful for

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words, but we have the word. Too many of us are

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looking for words and we're neglecting the word.

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And so I was neglecting the word because I didn't

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feel led. Here I am just wandering around with

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a big Bible and gospel tracts, and my eyes are

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sensitive to smoke, and I've not been awake much

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past that. And I was looking higher and trippier

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than everybody coming out of the bars and the

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nightclubs. Two o 'clock, the bars close, and

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I still hadn't talked to anybody. And three o

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'clock, the cars were pretty much gone. And finally,

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and I'm looking like a glazed donut by now. I've

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never been awake this late in my life. And I

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just said, Jesus, if you want me to talk to someone,

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bring them around the corner in the next five

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minutes or I'm going home. In your name I pray.

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Before I said, man, someone came around the corner.

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And there was an adrenaline rush. And I definitely

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did not social distance. I, you know, this close

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nose to nose almost. Sir, if you die right now,

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you know, you're going to heaven. Jesus died

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across the edge of the blood. Always again, it's

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life. Praise the Lord. We're going to get saved.

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And here I've got my big Bible, my gospel tracks,

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and my big, glazy, glassy eyes. And the guy said,

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you've got to be kidding me. And he said some

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other things that weren't nice that I can't say

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on a Christian podcast. And he spat on my shoes.

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And I knew I missed God. That was burritos, bad

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burritos. It was indigestion. Could not have

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been God. So my car was one of the few left,

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and I was backed up against a wall. I put the

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key in the ignition. turned the car on and put

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it in gear. And as I started to pull out a really

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jacked up, kind of like a monster truck, not

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quite, but big truck blocked my path. Tinted

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window comes down and it was that same guy. And

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he says, are you that guy who's trying to tell

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me about Jesus? And I said, yes, sir. He said,

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you really meant it, didn't you? Could we talk?

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And he got down, left his car right in front

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of mine. It wouldn't have mattered. I had to

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talk. We sat on the curb and talked till the

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sun came up. And I'd like to tell you guys and

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anybody listening that his life was changed.

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That's why I won't tell you how many people I've

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led to the Lord. Only God knows the stories I've

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prayed with lots and lots and lots and lots of

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people. I just don't count. But how can I know

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someone's heart? The Bible says, I don't even

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know my own heart. Only God does. My heart's

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deceitful above all things. But I will say my

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heart was changed. My heart was changed that

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night. Because I saw that those people that were

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in those bars and those nightclubs, the people

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that live under bridges, the people that sit

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on street corners with signs, those people in

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the gangs, those people around the world in terrorist

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organizations, the people in mosques. And temples

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that look different than me, different colors

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than me. Those people in the high rises downtown,

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the people on the other side of the fence in

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my backyard. They're not monsters to run away

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from. They're not creatures to be fearful of.

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They're kidnapped royalty. Exactly. Men and women

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created to be sons and daughters of a king. And

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they've just been trapped. So I started going

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on a regular basis. And then I got an idea and

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I'm almost to the cross -carrying calling. I

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made business cards. I should have incorporated

00:28:32.609 --> 00:28:36.210
the idea, patented the idea, because I was the

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first Uber service. Too drunk to drive home?

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Call me. And it was great. I handed them out

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at all the bars, and I was a friend of all the

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bouncers because I'm getting rid of a problem.

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And it's good because I need practice in sharing

00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:55.430
about Jesus, and these guys need to hear what

00:28:55.430 --> 00:28:59.210
I have to say. Of course, some of them were too...

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drunk to tell us where to take them. So I can't

00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:06.839
tell you how many we smuggled into ORU for a

00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:13.519
night or two. So it's a different administration.

00:29:13.819 --> 00:29:20.180
I think I've got amnesty now. But now I'm making

00:29:20.180 --> 00:29:23.460
friends and I've got the front door. But then

00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:26.259
I came up with another idea. And that other idea

00:29:26.259 --> 00:29:30.880
was I met owners and managers. And I said, hey,

00:29:31.019 --> 00:29:34.240
tell you what, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon,

00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:37.200
I'll come in and I'll clean your bathrooms, your

00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.220
toilets. I'll clean your toilets so clean that

00:29:40.220 --> 00:29:42.279
you can eat soup out of them. And they said,

00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:44.900
why? I said, well, Jesus washed people's feet.

00:29:45.380 --> 00:29:48.480
And I'm just here to tell you that the restrooms

00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:53.460
at bars and nightclubs are pretty nasty the next

00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:56.799
day. I can imagine. But God used that. And now

00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.470
I had friends. that were owners and managers

00:29:59.470 --> 00:30:03.569
and bartenders and bouncers. And they started

00:30:03.569 --> 00:30:06.089
having me come in and speak to people table to

00:30:06.089 --> 00:30:08.109
table. They would say, Hey, this person's going

00:30:08.109 --> 00:30:10.369
through this. Can you talk to them? Can you pray

00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:15.069
with them? And that led to even some nights when

00:30:15.069 --> 00:30:19.109
they had live music, they would close. And then

00:30:19.109 --> 00:30:21.069
they would ask me to pray, especially on Saturday

00:30:21.069 --> 00:30:23.190
night, which wasn't by now Sunday morning, because

00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:25.009
that was the only service some people would come.

00:30:25.410 --> 00:30:28.579
And I'm sure. Jesus forgave me. But I just basically,

00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.480
God, thank you so much that you love the world

00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.880
so much that you gave your only begotten son

00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.799
that whoever believes in him, that even though

00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:41.339
the wages of sin is death. And I was just praying

00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:44.480
scripture. And there was one little, it was a

00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.619
little dive bar and there was a little old lady.

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.519
And I'll never forget her. It was right across

00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:54.380
the street from the dirty movie theater. We would

00:30:54.380 --> 00:30:57.759
go to her place and she would say, oh, you're

00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:01.440
here. And she would unplug the guy in the corner

00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.519
playing the guitar. She would lock the door.

00:31:03.579 --> 00:31:05.759
Nobody else could leave. And she would stand

00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:08.559
in front of the door or unplug the jukebox if

00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.619
it was playing. And I had these little red stickers

00:31:10.619 --> 00:31:12.700
that say, God loves you. And she goes, do you

00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:14.759
have any of your red buttons? And she put them

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.400
on everybody. She goes, he's going to preach

00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.240
to you now. And then at the end, she goes, don't

00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.940
forget to pray that special little prayer. And

00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:25.779
if I preach too long, she goes, it's time for

00:31:25.779 --> 00:31:29.619
you to pray now. Or sometimes she'd say, keep

00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:32.039
going. This is good. This is good. But right

00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.160
across the street was the dirty movie theater.

00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:35.880
And next door to it was the dirty bookstore.

00:31:36.259 --> 00:31:39.160
I made an agreement. It was a Jewish man that

00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.599
owned it. And he let us come in in the lobby

00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.480
and talk with people about Jesus. And so by now,

00:31:48.500 --> 00:31:51.539
as you can imagine, my friends are starting to

00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:55.380
be. Homeless people. They're starting to be gang

00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:59.240
members, people involved in prostitution, people

00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:03.259
involved in drug use, drug dealers. This is my

00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:07.160
flock. And it's beautiful. And I'll never forget

00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.940
that it's been torn down since then. But near

00:32:09.940 --> 00:32:12.599
Denver and 15th Street here, there was a bar,

00:32:12.700 --> 00:32:16.039
a little dive, and I was there one night. And

00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.019
two of my friends, Homer and Harold, they were

00:32:18.019 --> 00:32:20.160
both homeless. They'd been drinking too much.

00:32:20.539 --> 00:32:22.900
They weren't. Drunk, drunk, but they were drunk.

00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:26.079
And they went outside and I went outside with

00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.059
them, still talking with them. And Homer, he

00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:31.779
was staggering and he broke his bottle. He was

00:32:31.779 --> 00:32:35.900
holding it by the top. And he's joking with his

00:32:35.900 --> 00:32:38.480
friend, Harold, I'm going to kill you. I could

00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:43.160
kill you. I could cut you up. And in his instability,

00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:47.980
he stumbles. And I'm standing 15, 20 feet from

00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:50.849
what happened. The jagged edge of that bottle

00:32:50.849 --> 00:32:53.329
went into Harold's chest and Harold was gone

00:32:53.329 --> 00:32:56.509
just like that. I never had seen somebody die.

00:32:56.670 --> 00:32:59.730
I'd seen bodies prepared at funeral homes, but

00:32:59.730 --> 00:33:02.170
I'd never had seen life leave somebody, let alone

00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:06.990
somebody be killed. And it shook me. And I just,

00:33:07.009 --> 00:33:10.190
I went home and I said, Jesus, how do I reach

00:33:10.190 --> 00:33:13.809
these people? Speak, Lord, your servants listening.

00:33:14.390 --> 00:33:17.829
And just like. Like when you see an animal get

00:33:17.829 --> 00:33:20.230
branded, that's the only way I can describe it.

00:33:20.569 --> 00:33:24.210
I felt the branding of God's voice on my soul.

00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:27.150
I want you to make a large wooden cross and begin

00:33:27.150 --> 00:33:29.529
walking through the streets of Tulsa on Good

00:33:29.529 --> 00:33:34.049
Friday. I got up and I said, Lord, I rebuke the

00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:38.410
devil in the name of Jesus. That cannot be you.

00:33:38.569 --> 00:33:41.329
And I opened the window to get some fresh air.

00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:45.200
Again, Lord, I'm so sorry I was distracted. I

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.759
don't know where that thought came from, but

00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.319
speak. Your servant is listening. And once again,

00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:52.460
like fire, I want you to make a large wooden

00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:54.319
cross and begin walking through the streets of

00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:57.380
Tulsa on Good Friday. Okay, Lord, that's the

00:33:57.380 --> 00:33:59.579
last time I'm eating fruity pebbles and pizza.

00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.420
That is indigestion. I am not going to fall for

00:34:04.420 --> 00:34:08.469
that one. And so, Lord, I love you. I love you.

00:34:08.489 --> 00:34:11.909
I adore you. I worship you. Speak. Your servant

00:34:11.909 --> 00:34:16.670
is listening. And a third time. And this time,

00:34:16.750 --> 00:34:21.889
my prayer was, Lord, there was a guy at our local

00:34:21.889 --> 00:34:26.289
Walmart. And this fella carried a cross and he

00:34:26.289 --> 00:34:29.809
had a bullhorn and he wore a toga and pretend

00:34:29.809 --> 00:34:33.190
crown of thorns. He yelled at people coming in

00:34:33.190 --> 00:34:35.110
and out. He had hand -painted scripture verses

00:34:35.110 --> 00:34:38.750
and slogans on the side of his van. Repent! The

00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:43.710
kingdom of God is at hand! I said, Lord, you

00:34:43.710 --> 00:34:49.550
got somebody. You don't need another guy. And

00:34:49.550 --> 00:34:52.010
I felt like he said, son, that's the most religious

00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:54.909
excuse you could ever give me. I felt like he

00:34:54.909 --> 00:34:57.030
said, if I called you to preach, you wouldn't

00:34:57.030 --> 00:35:00.289
say, but Lord, you got Billy Graham. You've got

00:35:00.289 --> 00:35:03.570
all those pastors and all those people you look

00:35:03.570 --> 00:35:05.869
up to. You'd be honored and you'd be really happy.

00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:08.150
You just don't want people to think that you're

00:35:08.150 --> 00:35:15.329
weird. The truth. I felt like he said, son, anyone

00:35:15.329 --> 00:35:19.150
can carry a cross. Simon carried mine. Anyone

00:35:19.150 --> 00:35:21.690
can die on a cross. Two thieves died beside me.

00:35:22.329 --> 00:35:24.969
Thousands have died through the centuries. But

00:35:24.969 --> 00:35:27.679
only I could die. for the sins of the world,

00:35:27.699 --> 00:35:29.420
and I did it for love. And I want you to take

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:32.920
that cross and identify my message of love in

00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.860
the highways and the roadsides of this world.

00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.900
And I said, Lord, that sounds like you, but I

00:35:37.900 --> 00:35:41.159
really need a sign. And almost immediately, the

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.239
phone on the wall rang. It was a friend. Keith,

00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.860
this is crazy, but I just need to tell you, last

00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:51.000
year on Good Friday, my best friend and my pastor

00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.719
carried a cross. And I think God wants you and

00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.539
me to make a large wooden cross and start walking

00:35:56.539 --> 00:35:58.260
through the streets of Tulsa on Good Friday.

00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.619
Wow. And I said, okay, Lord, that was pretty

00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:05.059
good. But could you give me one more sign? Seriously?

00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:08.699
I know. My walk, I'm telling you, my walk has

00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:11.860
not been one of great faith. A lot of people

00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:13.960
look at me and say, oh, you've got so much faith.

00:36:14.219 --> 00:36:16.480
I said, no, it's been a walk of God's grace and

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.159
mercy. It's been a walk of love. I'm in love

00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.550
with him. And I'm choosing to follow him. No

00:36:22.550 --> 00:36:26.090
matter how hard it is or how weird it feels,

00:36:26.289 --> 00:36:29.130
no matter what people think now. But my first

00:36:29.130 --> 00:36:30.670
prayer when I picked up the cross was, Lord,

00:36:30.710 --> 00:36:34.929
don't let anybody see me. But in between picking

00:36:34.929 --> 00:36:37.829
up the cross the first time, I go to class the

00:36:37.829 --> 00:36:40.769
next day and a professor who's going alphabetical.

00:36:40.769 --> 00:36:44.889
My last name is Wheeler W. We were in the M's

00:36:44.889 --> 00:36:48.510
like the Miller, Martin, Martinez. And he said.

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.780
Keith, for some reason, I think you're supposed

00:36:50.780 --> 00:36:54.820
to speak next week. And normally we would select

00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:59.059
the text. But he said, no. He said, I want to

00:36:59.059 --> 00:37:00.440
select the text. And I think you're supposed

00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.059
to speak on Mark chapter 8, verse 34. I look

00:37:04.059 --> 00:37:06.679
it up. If anyone wishes to come after me, let

00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.159
him deny himself. Take up his cross and follow

00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.480
me. Okay, I'll do it. And we started walking,

00:37:12.699 --> 00:37:16.219
prayed that prayer. And then later that day as

00:37:16.219 --> 00:37:19.440
we're finishing. And the deal was. John was going

00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.460
to walk a mile. I'd walk a mile and we were going

00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:24.739
to alternate. John walked six miles and I walked

00:37:24.739 --> 00:37:27.880
about 30 miles with the carrying the cross. But

00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.840
at the end of the day, there was an elderly couple

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.599
walking, beautiful couple and had a perfectly

00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:39.139
coiffed beard. She had perfectly coiffed red

00:37:39.139 --> 00:37:42.639
hair and they were just stately. And they asked

00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.000
if they could pray for us. And when they finished,

00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:47.719
my friend said, you guys look familiar. Are you?

00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:52.500
And he goes, T .L. Osborne, I am. And she goes,

00:37:52.579 --> 00:37:56.360
and I'm Daisy, too. And his prayer was, and Lord,

00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.260
send this man to the nations. And I'm praying,

00:37:59.380 --> 00:38:04.579
no, no, no, no, no. And so I walked maybe three

00:38:04.579 --> 00:38:07.719
times. And then the end of the story comes now.

00:38:07.820 --> 00:38:10.739
This is the last part. Sorry to drag it all out.

00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:13.239
No, it's beautiful. But I was visiting my mother

00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.139
and father in Harrison. And for a weekend, I

00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:21.000
was driving back. And as I got near, the highway

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.019
wasn't like it is now. It was two lanes, Highway

00:38:23.019 --> 00:38:27.800
62. And as I came through a little town called

00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:30.320
Choteau, I was approaching it, coming down a

00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:32.880
windy road. Sun was setting through the forest.

00:38:33.260 --> 00:38:36.380
And I don't know how to describe it, but in front

00:38:36.380 --> 00:38:38.639
of my eyes, I could still see the road, but I

00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.719
saw a Newsweek magazine. And the magazine had

00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.250
my picture on the cover carrying the cross. And

00:38:45.250 --> 00:38:47.489
it said, take the cross to Cape Town, Durban

00:38:47.489 --> 00:38:50.570
and Johannesburg. Oh, wow. And South Africa.

00:38:50.949 --> 00:38:55.110
And I like pull over, rub my eyes. I could still

00:38:55.110 --> 00:38:59.849
see it. And I woke up my friend and do you see

00:38:59.849 --> 00:39:02.369
anything? No, I don't see anything. I prayed

00:39:02.369 --> 00:39:04.309
for them like Elijah did the servant that, you

00:39:04.309 --> 00:39:06.630
know, open their eyes. There's more with us than

00:39:06.630 --> 00:39:11.570
there are against us. Nothing. And then I look

00:39:11.570 --> 00:39:14.420
and it was normal. But it was like that fire

00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:17.119
that I described earlier, just burning in my

00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:21.139
heart for two weeks. But I'm making every excuse.

00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:25.400
I'm making the excuses like, I don't have enough

00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.900
money to go. It's dangerous there. I've got a

00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:30.360
great job. I'm in school. What about my family?

00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.460
How do you get a 12 feet long cross on an airplane?

00:39:34.860 --> 00:39:38.239
God makes more sense than that, right? So it

00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:44.420
can't be God. God is logical. And so, no, I'm

00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:47.239
not going to go. And I didn't. And once I said

00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:52.099
no, that intensity of fire was gone immediately.

00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.800
It was normal. Two more weeks pass. And I was

00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.820
in part two of that class, the professor who

00:40:00.820 --> 00:40:05.019
gave me Mark chapter 8, verse 34. And our assignment

00:40:05.019 --> 00:40:07.460
was, and you have to remember, this is 1985.

00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:11.630
And there's no... internet. There's no computers.

00:40:12.409 --> 00:40:15.550
There's no cell phones. There's no YouTube. I

00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:20.250
didn't have cable. I didn't have satellite. But

00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:22.989
he wanted us to watch a Christian TV show. Christian

00:40:22.989 --> 00:40:26.869
television was new in the area. And TBN had a

00:40:26.869 --> 00:40:30.030
channel nearby. It was channel 17. And I don't

00:40:30.030 --> 00:40:33.449
remember if it was UHF or VHF. And you guys remember

00:40:33.449 --> 00:40:37.510
this, but some of the listeners may not. So I

00:40:37.510 --> 00:40:41.519
had antenna. And you put Right. Tinfoil on the

00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.920
top and you move it a certain way. You could

00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.079
almost move your mouth a certain way and read

00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.860
through what we called the snow. And I got to

00:40:48.860 --> 00:40:52.159
the channel and the first words I ever heard

00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.320
on Christian television. Yeah. It was, I later

00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.400
found out it was a Kenneth Copeland convention

00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.019
in Anaheim, California, Believers West Coast

00:41:00.019 --> 00:41:04.440
Convention. And Paul and Jen Crouch of TBN who

00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.099
owned the station that was airing this. had a

00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:11.059
guest and that guest came up and the only other

00:41:11.059 --> 00:41:13.900
guy I knew who carried a cross was the guy in

00:41:13.900 --> 00:41:16.699
my Walmart parking lot. And this guy comes up

00:41:16.699 --> 00:41:19.039
and he said, Kenneth Copeland says, what is God

00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.579
saying to you? And he didn't introduce him or

00:41:21.579 --> 00:41:24.400
anything. He said, well, brother Ken, God has

00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.420
been calling someone to take a cross to Cape

00:41:26.420 --> 00:41:29.260
Town, Durban and Johannesburg, South Africa.

00:41:29.739 --> 00:41:32.659
And they didn't go. He said, I've always asked

00:41:32.659 --> 00:41:34.380
God to call someone first. And if they didn't

00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:37.280
go, I volunteer. I'm really tired. I just got

00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:41.099
back, but I'm leaving next week to go to South

00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:43.900
Africa. The man's name was Arthur Blessed. I

00:41:43.900 --> 00:41:48.460
knew nothing about him, but he went in my place

00:41:48.460 --> 00:41:52.800
and I made a commitment. Lord Jesus, I would

00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:56.679
rather miss your will trying to obey than not

00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.739
do anything at all. So I may get to heaven and

00:41:59.739 --> 00:42:03.630
Jesus may laugh at me and say, son. He may scratch

00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:06.070
his head. I didn't mean for you to actually carry

00:42:06.070 --> 00:42:08.369
a wooden cross. I meant for you to preach the

00:42:08.369 --> 00:42:10.889
cross around the world. But thanks for trying.

00:42:13.190 --> 00:42:19.090
So it's been that journey of walking together

00:42:19.090 --> 00:42:22.590
with Jesus, carrying a cross and getting to be

00:42:22.590 --> 00:42:26.349
front row center stages as he does bless, touch,

00:42:26.590 --> 00:42:29.429
save, deliver, change people's lives forever.

00:42:29.710 --> 00:42:32.980
And that's what it's all about. Yeah. And that's

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:35.619
why we do this podcast. We want to see people's

00:42:35.619 --> 00:42:38.460
lives changed. And we don't always hear any feedback

00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:41.599
that anybody's was. Once in a while, we get a

00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:45.159
tremendous piece of feedback about that. So does

00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:48.039
the Lord allow you once in a while to get some

00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:53.300
feedback to kind of encourage you? Well, yes,

00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:57.880
yes. But he knows I don't need it. He is my encouragement.

00:42:58.940 --> 00:43:02.099
He is my great reward. I hear people sometimes

00:43:02.099 --> 00:43:03.820
say, oh, you're going to get to heaven and you're

00:43:03.820 --> 00:43:07.760
going to see how God used you. No, I'm going

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.460
to get to heaven and I'm going to get to watch

00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:13.980
how he worked. Heaven is about him. Yeah. And

00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:16.980
it's not about me getting, I mean, the reward

00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:20.199
in heaven is him. He fills heaven. True. And

00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:22.840
heaven is about him. And the only reason we get

00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.039
crowns is so that we can throw them at his feet.

00:43:25.300 --> 00:43:28.760
Yeah. He's the worthy one. And so he is my encouragement.

00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.920
One of my mottos has been, Lord, blind me to

00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.780
what happens behind me. That way I don't, the

00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:38.460
responsibility for the success or failure, that's

00:43:38.460 --> 00:43:41.639
not mine. It's him. That's why I say it's his

00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:46.659
ministry. My role, my calling has been to be

00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:50.079
faithful. If I'm here and I've got another friend

00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.639
that comes in the room and you guys have never

00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.159
met the friend. I actually have a young man staying

00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:56.960
with us. His name is Nate. He's from Norway.

00:43:57.340 --> 00:43:59.099
But you've never met him. He's not here right

00:43:59.099 --> 00:44:02.619
now. But if he comes in the room, and I would

00:44:02.619 --> 00:44:06.019
say to you guys, I'd say, Philip and Sharon,

00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:08.239
you guys have been friends for a long time. This

00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.559
is Nate. He's my new friend. I would tell him

00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.199
a little bit about you guys. I would tell him

00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.900
about you all. And that's what I'd get to do

00:44:15.900 --> 00:44:19.260
with Jesus. And you can't unmeet Nate after you've

00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:21.579
met him. You can't. But it's how are you going

00:44:21.579 --> 00:44:26.239
to choose to pursue that friendship? And it's

00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.760
only a work of the Holy Spirit in the heart.

00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:32.460
And so that's what I love is I get to watch.

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.239
I'll tell you a funny story that I heard years

00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.980
later. I was carrying the cross from Panama to

00:44:38.980 --> 00:44:42.099
Mexico. That's a long walk. And in the 1980s,

00:44:42.099 --> 00:44:44.480
there was war in every country except Costa Rica.

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.519
I actually was in jail in Panama when Noriega

00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:52.820
was leading there. But the war, obviously, the

00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:55.860
big one we all knew about was in Nicaragua. You

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.559
know, the drug wars were in Panama. But El Salvador

00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.380
had a horrible war. Honduras had spillover war.

00:45:02.460 --> 00:45:04.440
Guatemala had the longest running civil war.

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:08.420
And eventually Chiapas. And that's where I faced

00:45:08.420 --> 00:45:11.659
the firing squad was in Chiapas State in southern

00:45:11.659 --> 00:45:15.699
Mexico. As I walked through, I don't know if

00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:18.599
it was northern Costa Rica, southern Nicaragua.

00:45:19.230 --> 00:45:23.230
This guy approaches me and he said, I'm a bad

00:45:23.230 --> 00:45:28.809
man, but I need to carry your cross. And I said,

00:45:29.750 --> 00:45:31.429
why are you a bad man? He said, I'll tell you,

00:45:31.489 --> 00:45:35.690
but I'm a bad, bad, bad man. He's crying. And

00:45:35.690 --> 00:45:38.630
anybody who wants to walk with me, I'll let them

00:45:38.630 --> 00:45:41.550
because I get that time together with them. And

00:45:41.550 --> 00:45:44.690
I knew what was happening. There's a tradition

00:45:44.690 --> 00:45:48.329
in the church there and it's called penitentia,

00:45:48.349 --> 00:45:51.619
penance. There's one called promise, and you

00:45:51.619 --> 00:45:54.059
do something to get something. I'll carry the

00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:56.860
cross so far if God will answer my prayer, or

00:45:56.860 --> 00:45:58.679
God answered my prayer, so I'm going to do this.

00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:01.679
Penitencia is the other way around. It's I've

00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:03.940
done something really bad. I need to be forgiven,

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.860
so I need to suffer for a while. And so he has

00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:10.960
no socks, but he takes off his shoes, and he

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.840
rolls up his pants above his leg, and he starts

00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.519
carrying my cross. And he's crying the whole

00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.219
time. I'm a bad man. And he told me he was a

00:46:18.219 --> 00:46:21.659
bad man. He had beaten people up. He had shot

00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:25.480
people. He had stabbed people. He'd used drugs,

00:46:25.579 --> 00:46:29.400
sold drugs, misused drugs. He cheated on his

00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.539
wife. He'd raped other women. He was a bad man.

00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.320
And every time he would see sharp rocks, he's

00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.559
carrying the cross. And the cross isn't... I

00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.150
tell people when they say, how heavy is it? It's

00:46:43.150 --> 00:46:45.670
heavy enough to remember. It's light enough not

00:46:45.670 --> 00:46:49.190
to be a sacrifice. The goal is not to sacrifice.

00:46:49.809 --> 00:46:52.050
Number one comment around the world, you're cheating.

00:46:52.150 --> 00:46:55.809
Jesus didn't have a wheel. I said, you're right.

00:46:55.989 --> 00:46:57.750
He didn't have a wheel, but my name's Keith.

00:46:58.849 --> 00:47:02.050
And I'm not planning on dying on this cross.

00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:04.269
But even if I die on this cross, I could shed

00:47:04.269 --> 00:47:06.650
all my blood and it wouldn't take away one of

00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:09.920
my sins, let alone the sins of the world. And

00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.079
I couldn't come out of the grave on my own. I'm

00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.500
walking to remind people of that. But the cross,

00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:17.579
I don't know, you probably can't see on the screen,

00:47:17.739 --> 00:47:21.199
but my collarbone has a lump there, an inch and

00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:24.099
a half of the years of the weight of the wood

00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:28.760
bearing down on my shoulder. The wood of the

00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.960
cross has shaped my body. And so that's what

00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.400
Jesus does with us. So this guy was trying to

00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.139
be forgiven. by carrying this cross and stepping

00:47:38.139 --> 00:47:41.559
on sharp stones. And if he'd see thorn bushes

00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:44.059
or sticker bushes, he would step on those thorns

00:47:44.059 --> 00:47:46.920
and sticker bushes. And he was just, I'm a bad

00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.320
man crying. And the whole time I'm telling him,

00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.960
you don't have to carry the cross. Jesus already

00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.860
carried the cross for you. He didn't just carry

00:47:54.860 --> 00:47:56.500
the cross. He died on the cross. You don't have

00:47:56.500 --> 00:47:58.380
to bleed. Jesus bled for you. You don't have

00:47:58.380 --> 00:48:01.500
to suffer. He paid the price. He suffered for

00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:04.449
you. And I mean, there was even one point there

00:48:04.449 --> 00:48:06.909
was broken glass. I mean, he stepped on twisted

00:48:06.909 --> 00:48:09.349
metal, rusty metal. There was some broken glass

00:48:09.349 --> 00:48:11.650
and he got down on his knees and he's walking

00:48:11.650 --> 00:48:14.309
across his knees on that broken glass. Blood

00:48:14.309 --> 00:48:19.190
just pouring down and he's sweating. And it's

00:48:19.190 --> 00:48:22.809
like after 12 kilometers, which is about seven

00:48:22.809 --> 00:48:25.329
and a half miles, we're on the top of, it's not

00:48:25.329 --> 00:48:28.210
a mountain, but it's a high hill that he's walked

00:48:28.210 --> 00:48:30.989
up. And it's like the light bulb went off. And

00:48:30.989 --> 00:48:33.429
he says, you mean? I didn't have to walk with

00:48:33.429 --> 00:48:35.530
you this whole way. That's what I've been telling

00:48:35.530 --> 00:48:39.289
you. And I didn't have to carry this. No, sir.

00:48:39.369 --> 00:48:41.929
Jesus already carried it for you. And I didn't

00:48:41.929 --> 00:48:45.269
have to suffer and bleed. No, sir. Jesus' blood

00:48:45.269 --> 00:48:48.989
was enough. And he's alive and I can know him.

00:48:49.710 --> 00:48:52.030
Yes, sir. That's what I've been trying to tell

00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:57.130
you. And he'll forgive even me and make me new

00:48:57.130 --> 00:49:00.900
and make me clean. You got it, sir. And I've

00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:03.440
never seen somebody get more saved. It was just

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:08.659
beautiful. Because it takes, by now, the cross

00:49:08.659 --> 00:49:10.579
is off his shoulder. It's on his side, kind of

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:13.199
like it's leaning. Listeners can't see it, but

00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.940
it's leaning on his side, almost like a pulpit.

00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.579
And that guy, he doesn't bow his head, close

00:49:20.579 --> 00:49:22.840
his eyes, nobody looking around, raise his hand,

00:49:22.940 --> 00:49:27.909
none of that. He didn't sign an altar card. This

00:49:27.909 --> 00:49:31.030
guy gives me the cross, jumps in the air like

00:49:31.030 --> 00:49:33.750
the old Toyota LEAP, kicks both of his heels

00:49:33.750 --> 00:49:36.849
together, hands up in the air, and he goes, Yahoo!

00:49:37.769 --> 00:49:42.250
Yahoo! At last I saw him running down a hill,

00:49:42.309 --> 00:49:46.489
both hands up. I'm free! I'm free! I'm free!

00:49:47.309 --> 00:49:49.449
Wow. That's a pretty cool story right there.

00:49:49.829 --> 00:49:53.110
First of all, how many of us got that saved when

00:49:53.110 --> 00:49:57.599
we got saved? Really? Yeah. 20 years later, I

00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.179
was speaking at a missions conference in Waco,

00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:05.260
Texas. And I was one of the general session speakers,

00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.280
but they had breakout sessions on specific areas

00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.739
of the world. And the speaker for Latin America

00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:13.760
wasn't able to arrive because of bad weather.

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.380
And they said, well, Keith, you've walked through

00:50:15.380 --> 00:50:17.679
Latin America. How about you be our speaker?

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.900
And in my talk, I included that story because

00:50:21.900 --> 00:50:25.650
of the whole idea of penance, penitentia. And

00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:29.130
how we go about reaching people in that part

00:50:29.130 --> 00:50:31.869
of the world. And afterwards, a man, obviously

00:50:31.869 --> 00:50:36.010
from Latin America, came up to me. And ear to

00:50:36.010 --> 00:50:39.510
ear, beaming, grinning. And he pokes me in the

00:50:39.510 --> 00:50:42.250
chest. He goes, you're that man. And I said,

00:50:42.289 --> 00:50:46.170
I'm sorry. He goes, that story you told, that's

00:50:46.170 --> 00:50:49.369
my pastor. Wow. And I said, I'm sorry, what?

00:50:49.789 --> 00:50:52.929
He goes, our pastor has told us that story over

00:50:52.929 --> 00:50:57.059
and over again. And he goes, and I get to meet

00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:59.780
you today. He said, I can't wait to tell that

00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:04.380
story to my pastor. So sometimes, you know, you

00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:09.219
don't know. But I don't care. I don't care. I'm

00:51:09.219 --> 00:51:12.760
free. I really am free from whether you're threatening

00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.599
to kill me because that's obviously happened

00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.099
many times. People put guns in my mouth, in my

00:51:19.099 --> 00:51:22.820
ears. One particular group had a sword to my

00:51:22.820 --> 00:51:25.969
neck. threatening to cut off my head that urinated

00:51:25.969 --> 00:51:28.849
on me, or whether you're bribing me with money

00:51:28.849 --> 00:51:34.349
or not money, or life or death, prosperity or

00:51:34.349 --> 00:51:39.670
poverty, I'm free. Praise or rejection, I'm free.

00:51:39.809 --> 00:51:44.030
My Savior loves me, and my fairy tale princess

00:51:44.030 --> 00:51:48.849
adores me, and I'm free. Beautiful. Beautiful.

00:51:49.429 --> 00:51:51.909
Well, would you pray for our listeners? Yeah.

00:51:52.489 --> 00:51:55.349
First of all, thanks again for the honor of being

00:51:55.349 --> 00:51:58.210
together with you guys. It's really a treat.

00:52:00.690 --> 00:52:06.289
Holy, holy, holy. You're so holy and beautiful,

00:52:06.510 --> 00:52:11.550
beautiful. And we adore you. You take our breath

00:52:11.550 --> 00:52:16.090
away and our hearts beat for you. I pray in this

00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:19.250
talk and this time together that... That you've

00:52:19.250 --> 00:52:21.710
allowed me to honor you and that I've lifted

00:52:21.710 --> 00:52:25.349
you up. You could be seen. I pray for those who

00:52:25.349 --> 00:52:30.130
have been hurt along the way. Maybe have gotten

00:52:30.130 --> 00:52:33.630
their eyes on other things. Their eyesight's

00:52:33.630 --> 00:52:35.409
been wounded and they can't see you as clearly.

00:52:36.070 --> 00:52:38.409
Maybe they've just gotten tired and they've let

00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:41.889
their eyes fall. But you give everybody who's

00:52:41.889 --> 00:52:45.289
listening the grace to lay aside everything.

00:52:46.409 --> 00:52:49.030
Just keeping them from running to race and fixing

00:52:49.030 --> 00:52:51.570
their eyes on you. And would you allow them to

00:52:51.570 --> 00:52:54.570
fix their eyes on you? Would you give them the

00:52:54.570 --> 00:52:58.469
love for you that they'll never, ever recover

00:52:58.469 --> 00:53:03.769
from? Yes. Would you burn the image of your face,

00:53:03.909 --> 00:53:07.690
your beautiful face, your glorious face in our

00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:13.320
hearts so that you are always before us? Would

00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.659
you put in us hearts that want to lean on your

00:53:16.659 --> 00:53:19.280
chest, lean our heads on your chest and hear

00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.159
your heartbeat? Hearts that want to wipe away

00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.159
the tears from your eyes today as you weep over

00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.000
this broken world. May we bring a smile to that

00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:32.039
beautiful face. And may our hearts be with your

00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.860
heart. Would you not only lead each of us, everyone

00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:40.900
listening, as well as Philip and Sharon and me.

00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.760
Not only lead us by your voice, but by your whispers

00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.760
and by your heartbeat. But you promised to lead

00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.559
us with a glance of your eyes. May we become

00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:55.039
so intimately acquainted with you and your face.

00:53:55.780 --> 00:53:58.760
We just look to you and we're led by a glance

00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.840
of your eyes, as the psalmist said. So we adore

00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:06.500
you. We honor you. And we bless you. And our

00:54:06.500 --> 00:54:09.619
hearts sing. Thanks for inviting us to follow

00:54:09.619 --> 00:54:12.400
you. Thanks for inviting us to work together

00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.340
with you. You can do it so much better without

00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:18.400
us. And you invite us to do it with you. And

00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.960
even though we're weak, help us to remember it's

00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.320
not by might. It's not by power. It's by your

00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.079
spirit. It's not only your wisdom. You are wisdom.

00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.719
Yes. We come to you. It's the first point in

00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.679
your sermon where you said blessed are the poor

00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.860
in spirit. And we say we're poor in spirit. We

00:54:39.860 --> 00:54:44.039
need you. Would you fill us? And as you said

00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.739
to me so many years ago, you're more interested

00:54:46.739 --> 00:54:49.619
in reaching all of our heart than you are in

00:54:49.619 --> 00:54:52.119
all the world. Yes. Because when you get someone

00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:53.900
whose heart is completely yours, you've got someone

00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:56.239
you can reach all the world through. So we give

00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:59.420
you all of us. We don't need more of you. You

00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:01.739
need all of us. And we give you all of us, our

00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:05.380
dreams. We give you our sin and our wretchedness.

00:55:05.420 --> 00:55:08.360
We give you our problems. We give you our hangups.

00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.380
But we give you our dreams. We give you our vision.

00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:15.099
We give you our goals. We give you our callings.

00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:17.920
We give you everything that you've given to us,

00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.579
our strengths and our abilities. We give you

00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:22.679
everything. And we pray that you'd find this

00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:26.440
living sacrifice as holy and acceptable in your

00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:30.500
eyes. And we just say, we love you. We love you.

00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.139
In the name above all names. In the name, it's

00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:37.119
the most beautiful name. Thank you for allowing

00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.980
us to say it in the name of Jesus. Amen. Amen.

00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.760
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