(281) “If the Stuff in the Bible Is Real, We Ought to Be Able to See It!” with Jeff Symons

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And I see this long dinner table and I see Jesus

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at the end and I see Paul and John sitting next

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to him. Like I knew the names of all the apostles

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and I saw how close they were. And I knew that

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as close as you want to be to Jesus in eternity

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is determined by how you live on earth. Wow.

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And that those that had lived in a way that were

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in close proximity to him, that life continued

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in eternity. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour

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out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global

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Outpouring, where we contend for that promised

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outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so

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that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm

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Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to

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the podcast today. We have with us our friend

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Jeff Simons once again, and he is going to be

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sharing some of his experiences, some of his

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testimony, and some of the things that are really

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close to his heart. But when he was just getting

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to know the Lord, he said this, if the stuff

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in the Bible is real, we ought to be able to

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see it. And that began his pursuit of God. Thank

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you so much for joining us today. Before we get

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started with our friend Jeff, we want to encourage

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you, if you haven't already done so, that you

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us to get into the algorithms out there so that

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others will find us that they're hungry for God

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and they don't know how to find the things of

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Jesus that we want to bring and this equipping

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for the outpouring that we want to bring into

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their lives. And I also want to remind you that

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if you haven't got it on your calendar yet, please.

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Put it on your calendar for 2026 that we are

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going to be in St. Louis for Memorial Day weekend,

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May 21st through 24th. It's going to be an amazing

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time in the presence of the Lord. We will be

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having with us our dear friend and Papa, Bishop

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Tony Kemp, and Dean Braxton will be with us again.

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It was really awesome to have him this year.

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2025. And we did a couple of Q &A sessions with

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him and he was able to teach. It was really,

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really, really good. And we'll also be having

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Anna Werner and she's got such a tremendous.

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prophetic gift, see your gift. And I know that

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she's going to be a real blessing. And Claren

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McQueen is going to be ministering for us for

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our Israel night, and I'll be ministering as

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well. So we just know that it's going to be a

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time of glory in the presence of the Lord, where

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we're going to just keep going deeper and deeper

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into the things of God and building relationships

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that are going to last for eternity. Well, Jeff

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Simons, it's such a pleasure to have you with

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us on our podcast again. We had you at our convention

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a couple of months ago. Oh, well, I don't know

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how far ago it's going to be by the time this

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actually goes out. But we had you at our convention,

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and it was such a blessing to fellowship with

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you there and introduce you to our people. And

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we just want to get to know you better. So we're

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excited to have you on this episode today. Thank

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you for having me. So Jeff, I just want to kind

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of introduce this to our listeners that when

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we first connected with you, I don't even remember

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how long ago it was, a year ago or more than

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a year ago. I think it was a few years ago. A

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few years ago. Well, whenever it was. I just

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know that God has eternal purposes in connecting

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Philip and me with you and this ministry, Global

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Outpouring, with you. And I remember when we

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first... started talking when you were first

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launching your podcast, you mentioned that when

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you were looking for a name for your ministry,

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one of the names that you were considering was

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Global Outpouring. So there's obviously some

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things that God has connecting with us. And as

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we're getting to know you better, it's like,

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man, you're just like us. Wow, this is amazing.

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So your heart for the things of God and the depths

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of God. It's such a blessing, such a blessing

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to us. So we want to get to know you better.

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We listened to the episode on your podcast that

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you did recently with Dean Braxton. You met him

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at our convention. That was really good. We'll

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put a link to it in the show notes. So all of

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our listeners who love... the episodes that we

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do with Dean Braxton, you will love this episode

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that Jeff did with Dean. He always reveals new

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things. Yes. All the time. So one of the things

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that happened on your episode with Dean was you

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were comparing notes with him about what he saw

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compared to what you saw when you had a heavenly

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experience. Can you tell us a little about that

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heavenly experience? Sure. So my background was

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I was raised Methodist. And then I became agnostic

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when I was a teenager and spent a number of years,

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probably, you know, from 16 to 20 something as

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an agnostic, which just meant I lived however

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I wanted. And, you know, it was just an excuse

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for. drugs and doing anything i could think of

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but ultimately and i believe this about people

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that are doing drugs are looking for something

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else yeah and you know i hit a low point um after

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i had been a drug addict was addicted to meth

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for a series of months and had gotten clean but

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was dealing with a lot of consequences from those

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time periods and there was a particular low moment

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Where I'd never felt suicide before or being

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suicidal. And my wife was having all kinds of

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health complications. My son was just born. And

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I felt this darkness come down on me. And the

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only thing I could think about was suicide. That

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and I remembered the name of Jesus. Wow. And

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it was like the only way I could kind of describe

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it is. two options and you know when one of them

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felt very distant but i remembered the name of

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jesus just it felt so far from me and in that

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moment i just said jesus help and and when i

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said that all the darkness lifted but the situation

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was the same and that led to we started attending

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my parents baptist church I gave my life to the

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Lord, but I did it in a way, and I wouldn't recommend

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people do this, but I was being authentic with

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the Lord. All I had known about Christianity

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was stories, and none of them were my story,

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and none of them were things that I had seen

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personally. So I said, God, I give you my life,

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but if the stuff in the Bible is real, we ought

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to be able to see it. at the time i was you know

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i was reading the bible probably for the first

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time really i had read read it through before

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but but this time was like it was alive in a

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different way and my prayer life was coming alive

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and i noticed the person of the holy spirit in

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the old testament with the prophets and and coming

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on the apostles and acts and i actually had this

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thought of who's the holy spirit i just i had

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never heard You know, I knew the Catholic thing,

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the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, because I'd seen

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the movies. Yeah. That's funny. But I started

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to notice how the Holy Spirit would change lives

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and change circumstances. And I said, God, if

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these stories are real, I want to see it. I want

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to be there when these things happen. It ought

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to still be happening. There still ought to be

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miracles and signs and wonders. Yes. And I prayed

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that way for about six months. And during that

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time, I was introduced to Sid Roth. I saw a couple

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episodes of Sid Roth. And I had bought Steve

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Thompson's book email, Prophesy. And I saw The

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Finger of God, Darren Wilson's documentary. And

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at the time it was on TBN, the clip that I saw

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was the underground church worshiping. And they

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were just in tears. And I just couldn't help

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myself. I just called and I ordered the DVD.

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And then after I ordered it, I kind of had this

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moment of like, wait a minute, why did I just

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buy a DVD of Chinese people crying? Like, what

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did I just buy? And, you know, when it arrived

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and I watched the whole thing, I watched it through

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several times. And the interview of the man that

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was resurrected from Heidi Baker's ministry.

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And you see the treasure hunts from Bill Johnson

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and the Bethel students and come to find out

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that Bill Johnson and Heidi Baker were coming

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to Dallas in a few months. So I went to that

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conference. And while I was there, I started

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having open visions, which was pretty surreal

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as somebody that had done. hallucinogenic drugs

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I'm like what is like what is happening right

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now I couldn't you know I couldn't stop seeing

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things and I remember Bill Johnson was praying

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for healing from stage and it looked like a firework

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just light was just flying off of him and people

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are getting healed and wow it was uh at that

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that conference I had a whole bunch of different

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things happened in that that week One of them

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was, you know, so I'm having these open visions

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and, and I had told God I wanted the baptism

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of the Holy Spirit, but I kind of set some stipulations.

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I was like, well, you know, I don't, I don't

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know about this whole speaking in tongues thing.

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I didn't, I wasn't against it. I just didn't

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understand it. And I was like, prophecy is way

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cooler. Like that's the one I want. I did have

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my first prophetic word before I spoke in tongues,

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but I did speak in tongues. And they, you know,

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they were doing a fire tunnel at the end of the

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conference. And I went through the first time

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and I was like, man, I feel drunk, like, but

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not in like a bad way. And I went through, I'm

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like, I was, and it was free. So I'm going through

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again. So I went through the second time and

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then. I believe it was Heidi Baker, but I'm not

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sure because I kept my eyes closed the whole

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time. I didn't want to be distracted by what

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was happening around me. I was just trying to

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focus on God. But I got to the end of the line,

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and somebody laid hands on me, and I fell to

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the ground, and I uncontrollably was speaking

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in tongues. Wow. And I drove home from the conference,

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and it's funny. I actually had a listener correct

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me. telling my own testimony. Um, so cause I've

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been saying it wrong for years. Uh, so I went

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home and I was, I turned on a worship album and

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I was sitting on the, I would always say it's

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the mantle of the fireplace. It's not the mantle.

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It's whatever the The thing is the hearth. There

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we go. Yeah. I would sit on the hearth for years.

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I've been saying I sat on the mantle. Yeah. You

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probably wouldn't sit on the mantle. Your chauffeur

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might sit on the mantle. Yeah. Right. Right.

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So I was, I was sitting on it and you know, my

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eyes were closed, but you know, there was a light

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just above my head and just worshiping the Lord.

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And next thing I know, I'm not sitting in my

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home. I'm not at the fireplace. I'm under this.

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light that's raining down if you could imagine

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liquid light drops of light and it was kind of

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like a shower of joy was the substance but it

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looked it looked like liquid light beautiful

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you know so it's it's as these droplets are are

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hitting me i'm just laughing and laughing and

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laughing and then then it kind of it occurs to

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me i am not in my house And I had this like,

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not a scary moment, but just this pause of, wait,

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this is heaven. But if this is heaven, where's

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Jesus? And as soon as I thought, where's Jesus?

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I was in a different place. Wow. And, you know,

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something that you, Dean and others, I'm sure

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have shared, that in heaven, you don't travel

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at the speed of light or sound. It's the speed

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of thought. Yep. I can't prove that biblically,

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but I can just say that was my experience. Yeah.

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So as soon as I think, where's Jesus? I'm now

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in a different location and I see this long dinner

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table and I see Jesus at the end and I see Paul

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and John sitting next to him. Like I knew the

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names of all the apostles and I saw how close

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they were. And I knew that as close as you want

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to be to Jesus in eternity is determined by how

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you live on earth. Wow. And that those that had

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lived in a way that were in close proximity to

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him, that life continued in eternity. Beautiful.

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And more than any desire that I've ever had,

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if you could just imagine everything you've ever

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wanted balled up and amplified. The thing that

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I wanted was I just want to be close to Jesus.

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That's the thing I want. I just want to be close.

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I want to sit close to him. But I also knew it

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wasn't right to just ask for the seat, that you

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had to qualify to sit close. And I thought, oh,

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that's the thing I need to ask for. I need to

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ask for a life that's worth being close to Jesus

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in that way. And as soon as I thought, oh, that's

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something I should ask for, I'm now in the throne

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room. I think I'm in the throne room. I was kneeling.

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I was face down kneeling and not looking around

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because it was this holy fear of the Lord in

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the atmosphere. And I think I was on the sea

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of glass, but again, I'm not sure. And then I

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asked God for that. And then once I did, you

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know that feeling when you're in an elevator

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and you're on the top floor, you press the lower

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floor, you can kind of feel yourself slowly descending.

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Like I had that sensation of descending. When

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I opened my eyes, I wasn't, I was still, I was

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in my house now, but I was in a different room

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in my house. And I'm in the kitchen and under

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the ceiling fan, and I'm just saying the name

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Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, over and over and over.

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And every time I said his name, I feel this tingling

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sensation just washing over me head to toe. And

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for about... Six days. It wasn't exact, but it

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was up until I prayed a certain prayer. But it

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was around six days where I could hear the Lord

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as clearly as I could hear a person. I remember

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praying for, this happened several times, where

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I was in Walmart going to pray for somebody.

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Because now I have this conviction of, oh, we

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can go pray for people. And I wrote my sister

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into it. So we went to Walmart just to go find

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some people to pray for. And as soon as I start

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talking to them, it's like this light that's

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just outside of my field of vision just turns

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on. And you can see this light raining down.

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And people are just crying at me asking, hey,

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can I pray for you? So I'm thinking like, hey,

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this prayer thing is easy. All you need to do

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is just ask them. And the light turns on and

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the light rains down. And, you know, God will

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heal them. And, you know, I'm here having very

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specific direction and words of knowledge from

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the Lord at the time. And there was times where

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I was praying all kinds of selfish stuff and

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he's telling me no. So we saw some miracles.

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That was where I saw the first miracle was. It

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was actually in Walmart where. We prayed for

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a man that was in a wheelchair and he had an

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oxygen tank and he had the mask on and prayed

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for him once and nothing happened. I prayed for

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him again and nothing happened. I'm like, no,

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you don't understand. Like I can see the light

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raining down, like the atmosphere. It's God is

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here. And we prayed the third time. And on the

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third time, I don't know why it took three times,

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but the third time he just takes this huge breath

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and goes. Takes off his mask and he's like, I

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can breathe. I can breathe. Glory to God. Got

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out of his little, you know, the little motorized

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wheelchair and he's walking around and we prayed

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for his knee and he's like giving glory to God

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the whole time. I lit up, you know, I thought

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this whole, like, this is all easy. And that

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really kickstarted a lot of things for me when

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it comes to evangelism too. And what a good thing

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it does in your heart to kind of get your attention

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off of you and just go show love to somebody

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else. And we can make an idol out of a lot of

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things. We can do it out of prayer. We can do

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it out of evangelism. And I definitely did with

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evangelism for a period where you start putting

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ministry above family and other relationships

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and other things. So there was a lot of zeal

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when I was 25 and I'm now 42. I've had a little

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time to temper some of the zeal without wisdom.

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I'm hoping for a little bit more wisdom now.

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There you go. You've had enough experience that

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it has purchased some wisdom in your life. So

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that was my, uh, my intro to the charismatic

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world of having gone from no miracles to speaking

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in tongues, heavenly encounter, seeing people

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healed. And, and then I had a very, uh, tangible

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demonic encounter also i don't know if you want

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to talk about that or not well um the spirit

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realm is real yeah you know both light and dark

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if you think it's going to be edifying for our

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listeners i'll just say that when you have a

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significant experience like that the enemy is

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not going to just sit idly by and I don't know

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what I expected, you know, cause I, I, you know,

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you come go have this whole heavenly encounter

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and come back and, and I'm thinking like, oh,

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ministry, my ministry is taking off and I'm going

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to go be a minister and you know, all the different,

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different things that are, are connected to some

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of those expectations. And then to have a significant

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demonic attack, which I would just say, if you

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have an experience with the Lord, oftentimes

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The enemy tries to rob you of either the experience

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or the fruit of the experience. Yeah. Or to make

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you fearful so that you won't go there again.

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Right. Right. So anything to either discourage

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you from the pursuits that you're currently on

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to cause you to forget what God just did or to

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make you fearful of the enemy's attack against

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you or against your family or any of those sorts

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of things. But God is always bigger. Yeah. Yes.

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Amen. Well, Jesus talked about that in the parable

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of the sower. how the birds would come and eat

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the seed immediately or the weeds would come

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and choke it or, you know, would land on stony

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ground or hard ground that wouldn't produce fruit.

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So, you know, the enemy knows what weaknesses

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we have and what has come down from our family.

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And he's just always trying to exploit things.

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But like you said, God is greater. Yes. And our

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Father is strategizing for... Everything to get

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us where we need to be in him. Right. Which is

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so wonderful. He's so faithful. He's so kind.

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Wow. So you mentioned a few minutes ago about

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the DVD that you got. And you watched it over

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and over and over. That gave you a burden for

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the persecuted church. Right? Is that how you

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got that burden? Or was there something else

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as well? I don't really know where it started,

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to be honest. So I've got Fox's Book of Martyrs

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behind me. And I remember reading that the first

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time through. I remember just the impression.

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And I think that in the world, when it comes

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to a kingdom, some of the best representatives

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of that kingdom are soldiers. Because those are

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individuals that are... willing to lay down their

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lives for the sake of their nation. So they are

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often of the deepest conviction. Now, it's not

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exclusive, and I wouldn't say they're better

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than a normal civilian or anything else. I'm

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just the willingness to lay everything down for

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the sake of their kingdom. There's an honor that's

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in that. And while we would recognize that when

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it comes to soldiers and a natural nation, how

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much more should it be true for for us as Christians.

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When the example of our faith, Jesus, the one

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that we model our lives after that we're supposed

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to be Christ -like, he laid down his life. And

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I had a friend who was, do you remember the name

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Cassie Bernard? Yes. So I lived in Colorado for

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a few years and had a friend who was close to

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Cassie Bernard. For the sake of our listeners,

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tell who Cassie Bernard is. So I guess this was

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back in 99. Back before we had regular or as

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many school shootings, we had Columbine. And

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the Columbine school shooting, in that school

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shooting, there was one particular individual,

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Cassie Bernard. And she had recently become a

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Christian and had professed that she would be

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willing to die for her faith in her diary. when

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I forget the names of the gunmen, but when they

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held her at gunpoint and they said, do you believe

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in God? And she said, yes. And they shot her.

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Yeah. And so she, she very literally died for

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her faith. Yes. And, and then, you know, working

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with somebody that knew her, it made it that

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much more real because it seems kind of disconnected

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from the nine to five, I guess, American way

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of life. Like it seems very foreign to us. At

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least it did back then. Or maybe this was just

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my own naivety. But now I'm very impressed by

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some of the lives of the 21 martyrs from the

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Eastern Orthodox Coptic Church that were beheaded

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by ISIS for their faith. Which Jonathan Rumi

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did an animated documentary. I'm not sure what

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you would call it. An animated film on it. I

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recommend people watch it. It's called 21 Martyrs.

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And in it, they got testimony from some of the

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ISIS individuals that were involved in the execution

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of the 21 martyrs. And in it, you hear they were

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having visions of giant angels walking with the

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21 martyrs. It was originally 20. There was one

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man who was being held by ISIS for a different

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reason, and they were going to let him go. And

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he said. My faith is the same as theirs. Why

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would I leave? Wow. You know, so stories like

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that where it just, it does something in my heart

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where those are the people that I look up to

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where, you know, we may never know the names

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of, you know, some martyrs that have died on

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mission fields and, and, you know, in horrific

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conditions. And yet. In heaven, they're champions,

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they're heroes, they're honored for the way that

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they have lived and guarded their faith. And

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even recently, in the past two years, I would

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say the Lord has really started impressing it

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on my heart more and more to be praying for the

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persecuted church. Yes. You know, I'll find myself

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out jogging and I'm not very lean. I use the

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word jogging loosely. I make a jogging motion

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at a walking pace. But while I'm doing that,

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often it's prayer time because it's a way where

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I can kind of disconnect from, and I'm just processing

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with the Lord while I'm desperately trying to

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breathe. But I find myself regularly during those

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times just praying for the persecuted church.

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And it's so easy for us to forget that we have

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brothers and sisters that are in prison. They're

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in horrific conditions in different nations.

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And it feels so foreign to us because we're American,

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because it's not part of our news cycle, because

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of a lot of different reasons. And yet we're

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instructed to pray for them. Yes. So those are

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the lives that I'm most impressed by. I think

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as missionaries, it's something that we should

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have that almost as a goal. I feel like it's

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a goal. I feel like that was a goal that Paul

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was aiming towards. He was aiming his life towards,

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this is how it's going to end for me. For me

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to live as Christ, to die as gain. He was aware

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of what he was going towards in his end. God

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showed him the things that he would suffer. Yeah.

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And it wasn't like God was trying to talk him

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out of a job description. There was something

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in that that was part of what he was created

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for. There's something in it where it's part

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of what we're meant to fulfill, where the message

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that we carry has to be tested. And if it's never

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tested, then how much do we really believe the

00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:18.720
message? Right. Right. Yeah. You know, I was

00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.220
first attracted to this ministry when our founders,

00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:27.660
Sister Gwen Shaw and at the time, Siggy Oblander

00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:31.319
and others, Sister Gwen's husband, they were

00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.480
Bible smugglers behind the Iron Curtain. And

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the first time, I think it was the first time

00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.380
I actually heard Sister Gwen, she was talking

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about, you know, behind the Iron Curtain was

00:27:43.099 --> 00:27:46.839
the thing. back there in the 70s, where we didn't

00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.720
even know what was going on in China in those

00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.380
days. There was no news coming out of China.

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But she was bringing stories of, for instance,

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there was a family that every time the mother

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would go into labor and go to the hospital, the

00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:08.519
communist doctors would, I don't know, pierce

00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:10.559
the eardrums of the children so that they would

00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.160
never hear the gospel. I mean, that's... That's

00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:19.200
awful. And the story of Vanya, there's a book

00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.839
out there named Vanya, V -A -N -Y -A, where this

00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.640
young man was serving in the Russian army or

00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.380
Soviet army somehow. And the persecution that

00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:33.380
he was going through as a Christian, they sent

00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:36.720
him out to stand on guard in the winter in his

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.400
summer uniform. I mean, they were trying to kill

00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:43.730
him. All kinds of stories like that. And so,

00:28:43.789 --> 00:28:47.710
you know, that was part of my upbringing really

00:28:47.710 --> 00:28:50.869
in the things of God. I was probably 17 when

00:28:50.869 --> 00:28:55.089
I heard those stories. And it was like, oh, you

00:28:55.089 --> 00:28:58.869
know, if he's worth living for, he's worth dying

00:28:58.869 --> 00:29:02.690
for. He's worth everything. And then after I

00:29:02.690 --> 00:29:05.529
had already. you know, gotten that mindset myself.

00:29:05.710 --> 00:29:07.910
Years later, I would have these conversations

00:29:07.910 --> 00:29:10.950
with my dad and my dad was a missionary. My parents

00:29:10.950 --> 00:29:13.269
were missionaries in India. That's why I was

00:29:13.269 --> 00:29:16.230
born there. So dad would talk about his heroes.

00:29:16.950 --> 00:29:20.390
Were those missionaries in, where the missionaries

00:29:20.390 --> 00:29:24.369
were killed by the Ecuador. Thank you. It was

00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:27.230
like all these other nations were. Yeah. Yeah.

00:29:27.230 --> 00:29:32.390
Yeah. Nate Saint and Elliot. Yeah. Jim Elliot.

00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:38.220
Those men were my dad's heroes. And he talked

00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:42.859
about this doctor in the Congo, missionary doctor.

00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.920
He sent his family home, but he stayed to be

00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.299
there to take care of the people who were suffering,

00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:53.319
and he was martyred. And so these people were

00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.900
my dad's heroes. So, you know, I've got kind

00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:01.390
of that similar mindset about... If Jesus is

00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:04.349
worth living for, he's worth dying for. And I

00:30:04.349 --> 00:30:07.349
love what Dean said, and he said it on your podcast,

00:30:07.589 --> 00:30:11.369
I think, but he said it with us where, you know,

00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:14.829
Jesus died our death for us. Yeah. So in that

00:30:14.829 --> 00:30:18.809
moment when they think they're taking your life,

00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:22.190
God takes your spirit out of you before they

00:30:22.190 --> 00:30:24.529
can do that. They're just, all they're doing

00:30:24.529 --> 00:30:26.450
is harming the body, but your spirit's already

00:30:26.450 --> 00:30:30.859
gone. Right. It's amazing. It's amazing. But

00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:36.940
God is doing things, you know, we can't live

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:42.720
our lives in some kind of a fantasy world of,

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.759
you know, I think sometimes our American way

00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:51.079
is really more of a fantasy than the reality

00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:54.980
of living for Jesus and being willing to lay

00:30:54.980 --> 00:30:58.880
everything down for Jesus. Right. Yeah. I think

00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.599
in a lot of ways. what we have called Christianity

00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:08.759
is really only part of the story. And there's

00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.079
certain messages that if we're really honest

00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.059
with ourselves, there's messages that we don't

00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:16.000
preach because it means that people aren't going

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.180
to say amen. There's message that we won't preach.

00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:22.720
We won't preach certain messages because it means

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.339
that tithing will go down and giving will go

00:31:25.339 --> 00:31:30.549
down. generally we've lost the message on suffering.

00:31:31.049 --> 00:31:33.470
We've stopped the way of the cross even, which

00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:36.910
the way of the cross is suffering. Exactly. And

00:31:36.910 --> 00:31:39.430
I think it's because of the messages that we

00:31:39.430 --> 00:31:42.950
have been unwilling to preach for various reasons

00:31:42.950 --> 00:31:47.490
that it skews the perception. And it doesn't

00:31:47.490 --> 00:31:49.670
mean that what we've emphasized is wrong, like

00:31:49.670 --> 00:31:52.849
prosperity, for example. People will rail against

00:31:52.849 --> 00:31:56.200
the word prosper or prosperity. Words in the

00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.900
Bible, you know, prospering, being good health,

00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:02.519
health is your soul prospers. Like that's a lot

00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.299
of prospering right there. But the problem is

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:07.960
when you emphasize one truth at the expense of

00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.920
other truth, you know, where, you know, where

00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.059
we say prosperity and everything has to be prosperity.

00:32:15.220 --> 00:32:16.819
So if you're not prospering, then you're not

00:32:16.819 --> 00:32:19.299
really living a Christian life. You know, we've

00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:21.920
overemphasized one truth at the expense of another.

00:32:22.939 --> 00:32:25.099
Paul says he knew what it was to be content,

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:26.720
whether he had a lot or whether he had little.

00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.140
Very true. And contentment flies in the face

00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:35.019
of overemphasizing prosperity. Yeah, and I remember

00:32:35.019 --> 00:32:38.500
one of our former pastors at the little church

00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:41.420
in Jasper says, well, Jesus didn't, he borrowed

00:32:41.420 --> 00:32:43.299
everything. I mean, he borrowed a boat, he borrowed

00:32:43.299 --> 00:32:48.880
a grave, you know. He did. Well, you know, I

00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.349
thought, okay, you know. That doesn't sound like

00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:54.970
the prosperity message, you know. Well, Paul

00:32:54.970 --> 00:32:57.589
said godliness with contentment is great gain.

00:32:57.950 --> 00:33:00.750
Well, what about that scripture? I think it's

00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:04.369
in Peter. Yeah, it's in Peter. Be content with

00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:08.029
what you have. Yeah. You never hear that very

00:33:08.029 --> 00:33:11.549
much. No. Because nobody's, unless where you're

00:33:11.549 --> 00:33:15.250
really living in Jesus, where you're really content.

00:33:15.829 --> 00:33:19.089
But if you're not, you want. more of this, more

00:33:19.089 --> 00:33:22.089
of that, you know, it's just like, if it doesn't,

00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:25.269
it doesn't tend. Yeah. And I think we don't hear

00:33:25.269 --> 00:33:30.470
enough sermons on covetousness, you know, that

00:33:30.470 --> 00:33:33.930
it's the 10th of the big 10, you know, the 10

00:33:33.930 --> 00:33:36.150
commandments, it's the 10th. So it's kind of

00:33:36.150 --> 00:33:40.150
like, it's very important. It's, it's the last

00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:44.279
word, don't covet. So if you don't covet, you're

00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.660
not going to have problems with the root of all

00:33:46.660 --> 00:33:50.740
evil, which is the love of money. Loving money,

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.940
loving stuff, wanting stuff that doesn't belong

00:33:54.940 --> 00:33:57.799
to you. A lot of these things that are other

00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:02.640
commandments, like not committing adultery, if

00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.019
you would start with, don't covet your neighbor's

00:34:05.019 --> 00:34:09.840
wife, you'd never commit adultery. You wouldn't

00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.619
steal all those things. I think you hit the nail

00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:15.860
on the head. I think that in a lot of ways, in

00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:18.360
society, it's not uncommon to hear people say

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.460
things like, well, I just want it, or the heart

00:34:21.460 --> 00:34:27.000
wants what it wants, or these kind of analogous

00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.840
terms that lose their meaning when they're used

00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.039
in that way. But if you break it down, really

00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.000
what people are saying is, I have this desire,

00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:38.480
therefore you can't tell me I'm wrong. And that's

00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:44.559
not biblical. No. And there are Christians that

00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.280
will do that too. They'll say, well, God gave

00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.460
me all these desires. And there are desires that

00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:53.679
God gives you, and there's desires that you cultivate

00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:57.420
yourself. Yeah, right. It sure sounds like the

00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:01.199
flesh. We will pray God guard our hearts, but

00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.019
really he said for you to guard it. And that

00:35:05.019 --> 00:35:06.880
means it's my responsibility. And even in the

00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.079
verse that you mentioned of don't commit adultery,

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:11.880
in Sermon on the Mount where Jesus says, if you

00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.800
look at a woman with lust, you've committed adultery

00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.400
in your heart, which means that you're responsible

00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:22.340
for stewarding your desires. What you allow yourself

00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:27.219
to desire is a reality that's worthy of judgment.

00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.960
And I'm not saying it's on the same plane as...

00:35:33.190 --> 00:35:35.889
living out that desire. But at the same time,

00:35:35.949 --> 00:35:37.909
it doesn't mean that you, the way that you stop

00:35:37.909 --> 00:35:41.309
the issues that we're having in the church today

00:35:41.309 --> 00:35:44.309
is get to the root of the thing. And the root

00:35:44.309 --> 00:35:47.130
of the thing isn't the action. It's why aren't

00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:49.530
we stewarding our hearts and allowing desires

00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:54.550
to just run amok? And we haven't done a very

00:35:54.550 --> 00:35:57.550
good job of fully yielding those parts of our

00:35:57.550 --> 00:36:01.139
heart to the Lord. Yeah, it's like that. I tried

00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:03.599
to find the exact scripture. Couldn't. The eye

00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.320
is the window of the soul. There's maybe it's

00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.840
another trend. You know, there's something, something

00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.099
somewhere kind of relates to that. Sermon on

00:36:12.099 --> 00:36:13.860
the Mount, isn't it? Yeah, it sounds like that.

00:36:13.900 --> 00:36:15.659
If your eye be single, I think. If your eye be

00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:17.480
single, your whole body will be filled with light.

00:36:17.539 --> 00:36:19.860
And if that light that is in you is darkness,

00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:23.239
then how great is that darkness? Yeah, that's

00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.119
where that probably comes from. And Steve Green

00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.039
did a song a long time ago. You know, it starts

00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.130
out with the little, Rhyme, you know, be careful

00:36:32.130 --> 00:36:34.090
little eyes what you see, you know, the father

00:36:34.090 --> 00:36:38.989
up above is looking down at love. And the song

00:36:38.989 --> 00:36:42.150
was Guard Your Heart. And one of the lines in

00:36:42.150 --> 00:36:44.929
that that I've always remembered was feelings

00:36:44.929 --> 00:36:48.909
that should never have been awakened within tearing

00:36:48.909 --> 00:36:53.670
the heart in two. I thought that is so powerful

00:36:53.670 --> 00:36:56.539
because that's. With things that haven't been

00:36:56.539 --> 00:36:59.860
dealt with, especially adultery and things like

00:36:59.860 --> 00:37:02.820
that, you know, things you see or, you know,

00:37:02.820 --> 00:37:06.139
it's just. You just have to, you have to realize

00:37:06.139 --> 00:37:10.099
that these things are traps. Yeah. It's your

00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:13.659
eye gate. That's another term that's not worded

00:37:13.659 --> 00:37:16.460
that way in scripture anywhere. But it is a gate.

00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:19.239
It is a gate. Yeah. Your eye gate. It's a gate

00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.380
to your soul. And you have to learn. that these

00:37:23.380 --> 00:37:26.840
are traps that if you step on that triggers,

00:37:26.900 --> 00:37:28.900
not the word, what do you call that part of the

00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:32.079
trap that makes it snap? The snare, the trap

00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.519
door. The snare, whatever. Yeah. It's a trigger,

00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.159
maybe the word, but when you trip it, when you

00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.239
trip that trigger, you're in trouble and you're

00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.679
trapped, you're trapped. But if we can just get

00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:50.210
the picture that. We can also set traps of the

00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:53.889
blood of Jesus over our minds and over our eyes

00:37:53.889 --> 00:37:56.050
and over our ears and over the things that have

00:37:56.050 --> 00:37:58.230
to do with our soul so that when one of those

00:37:58.230 --> 00:38:02.869
stray thoughts comes in, bam, set that trap on

00:38:02.869 --> 00:38:08.710
it. Just snare it and get it out. Sometimes I've

00:38:08.710 --> 00:38:12.070
found myself saying, instead of running away

00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:14.429
from God when you find a wrong thought in your

00:38:14.429 --> 00:38:18.269
head. Grab a hold of that thing and drag it to

00:38:18.269 --> 00:38:20.650
his feet and say, look at this thing that came

00:38:20.650 --> 00:38:23.769
to attack me. I bring it to your feet, Jesus.

00:38:24.170 --> 00:38:28.789
And, you know, you become or I become the one

00:38:28.789 --> 00:38:34.269
that is like the hunter to get rid of these things

00:38:34.269 --> 00:38:37.389
that don't belong in my life. I remember our

00:38:37.389 --> 00:38:41.750
pastor years ago, Pastor Hunt. He was living

00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:44.389
in a... place kind of really out in the woods.

00:38:44.469 --> 00:38:47.190
It was real, real out in the woods. And one day

00:38:47.190 --> 00:38:52.210
he found a snake in his living room and it slithered

00:38:52.210 --> 00:38:57.090
behind the couch. And he was absolutely determined

00:38:57.090 --> 00:38:59.590
that he was going to deal with that thing and

00:38:59.590 --> 00:39:02.250
get it out of his house. And he was telling the

00:39:02.250 --> 00:39:05.190
story to a friend of his. And this friend said,

00:39:05.349 --> 00:39:07.610
yeah, that's how we need to be about dealing

00:39:07.610 --> 00:39:10.920
with sin. That you're not going to let that thing

00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.980
hide behind your couch. You're not going to let

00:39:12.980 --> 00:39:16.639
it live anywhere in you. You're going to follow

00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.840
it through until it is dealt with. And, you know,

00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:23.059
the more we get in the habit of dealing with

00:39:23.059 --> 00:39:25.980
those things, you know, that the thing pops into

00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:29.179
your head, uh -uh, no, you can't live in me like

00:39:29.179 --> 00:39:33.800
that. I refuse to give place to that. You know,

00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.079
cause if, if you just hide it, if you hide it

00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.360
under a bushel, if you sweep it under the rug,

00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.280
now I can't see it. Right. But if it's under

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.019
the rug, it's still there. Yeah. Well, and I

00:39:44.019 --> 00:39:47.719
think it's become more important and I'm not

00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.739
saying it wasn't important, you know, a couple

00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:52.960
of generations ago. I just, if you look at the

00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.659
way that the internet has affected our daily

00:39:55.659 --> 00:40:01.019
living and how much access the world has to your

00:40:01.019 --> 00:40:06.349
thought life. It has increased our necessity

00:40:06.349 --> 00:40:11.690
for discipline and maintaining our own healthy

00:40:11.690 --> 00:40:15.750
inner spiritual life. Because if you just let

00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:19.130
it go, it's not like prior to the invention of

00:40:19.130 --> 00:40:22.449
television, if you had an undisciplined thought

00:40:22.449 --> 00:40:26.150
life, you weren't inundated with worldly things.

00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.940
And now we have, if you have an undisciplined

00:40:28.940 --> 00:40:31.260
thought life and you're on social media, you're

00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:34.199
going to be bombarded with things. I've done

00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.519
a couple of different episodes on this particularly,

00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.360
but last year a Barna Group study came out and

00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.860
it was on the prevalence of adult content viewing.

00:40:44.980 --> 00:40:47.059
I'm trying to be sensitive to wherever this podcast

00:40:47.059 --> 00:40:52.699
goes out so you don't get censored. The percentage

00:40:52.699 --> 00:40:58.039
of pastors. that were viewing adult content.

00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.679
I'm going to botch the number, but it was over

00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.239
50%. I want to say it was over 60 % that were

00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:10.699
actively dealing with it. And if that's the percentage

00:41:10.699 --> 00:41:14.639
number for pastors, how much more for everyone

00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.880
else? It's exceedingly uncommon to find teenage

00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.440
boys that have not seen that type of thing by

00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:26.130
the time they're 18, 19 years old. So the need

00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:31.010
for internal censorship to protect our own souls

00:41:31.010 --> 00:41:36.269
has gone up. And yet we have been inundated by

00:41:36.269 --> 00:41:38.269
the world in such a way where we constantly feel

00:41:38.269 --> 00:41:40.670
subject to the environment around us. And the

00:41:40.670 --> 00:41:44.150
only solution is to discipline your own soul.

00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:49.690
And I love the verse in Psalms where, I think

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:54.099
it's Psalms 131. David says, I weaned my soul

00:41:54.099 --> 00:41:58.119
like a baby within me. That he actually disciplined

00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.940
his own soul in such a way. Weaning is that process

00:42:01.940 --> 00:42:04.940
of disciplining a child from breastfeeding into

00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:09.179
a form of independence. And it's a maturing process.

00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:13.179
And one of the things that I've personally found

00:42:13.179 --> 00:42:17.219
to be beneficial that is unpopular from a worldview

00:42:17.219 --> 00:42:20.039
and is kind of uncommon even in Christian practice

00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.710
is Just taking time every day to sit in the Lord's

00:42:24.710 --> 00:42:29.809
presence in silence without your phone. I get

00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:31.550
it if you got to have music and stuff like that,

00:42:31.650 --> 00:42:34.309
but trying to do it without gimmicks, and I'm

00:42:34.309 --> 00:42:36.550
not saying that worship is a gimmick, but I feel

00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:39.269
like we often have excuses for bringing the world

00:42:39.269 --> 00:42:43.150
into the prayer closet. Well, I need it for my

00:42:43.150 --> 00:42:45.510
notes. I need it for my music. I need it for

00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:47.489
my this. And if you do, that's fine. I'm not

00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:49.289
pronouncing a judgment. I'm just saying for me.

00:42:50.250 --> 00:42:53.130
It helps to have time where I'm just, it's the

00:42:53.130 --> 00:42:56.349
simplicity of quiet with the Lord. I'm not trying

00:42:56.349 --> 00:42:58.530
to say something and I'm not trying to get an

00:42:58.530 --> 00:43:02.369
answer for something. And I've found for myself,

00:43:02.429 --> 00:43:04.869
if it's been a while since I've practiced that,

00:43:04.969 --> 00:43:08.269
my mind goes all over the place. And it's not

00:43:08.269 --> 00:43:11.250
because I'm particularly undisciplined in my

00:43:11.250 --> 00:43:14.329
thought life. You know, I'm on the phone for

00:43:14.329 --> 00:43:17.070
work and internet and podcasts and all these

00:43:17.070 --> 00:43:19.530
things. So you train your mind to be constantly

00:43:19.530 --> 00:43:24.230
requiring stimulus. And that starts to have an

00:43:24.230 --> 00:43:26.070
effect, you know, your souls, your mind, will

00:43:26.070 --> 00:43:28.010
and emotions. It starts to have an effect on

00:43:28.010 --> 00:43:30.230
your internal life. But if we can get our souls

00:43:30.230 --> 00:43:35.210
to be quiet and still, then we recognize any

00:43:35.210 --> 00:43:38.139
other voice a lot faster. I can't say that it's

00:43:38.139 --> 00:43:41.079
the solution for everything, but it shuts down

00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.280
a lot of the different points of access that

00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.400
the busyness of having a connected life seems

00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.000
to cause. Yeah. What is the normal attention

00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.260
span for those that are watching TV? It's like

00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:58.099
you have so much, then you have a commercial.

00:43:58.739 --> 00:44:01.960
Yeah. And it's getting shorter. With TikTok,

00:44:02.059 --> 00:44:05.739
I think it's under 15 seconds. Oh, is it that

00:44:05.739 --> 00:44:08.800
low? Come on. Whoa. I think so. And that depends

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.300
on what you're viewing. You know, for example,

00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.639
podcast listeners typically listen longer because

00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.719
they're doing it while they're, it's a passive

00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.639
activity. They're listening while they're doing

00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.900
something else. TikTok in particular, you know,

00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:28.199
it's very short clips. They have reels and, you

00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.900
know, all the different shorts and things like

00:44:29.900 --> 00:44:32.679
that, which are under 30 seconds. And they're

00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.099
under 30 seconds because. Attention spans are

00:44:35.099 --> 00:44:39.699
generally under 30 seconds. Wow. That's scary.

00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:42.840
That's scary. You know what you were saying about

00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:48.340
just being quiet? One of the key scriptures for

00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:51.159
me, and I even used it in the title of my little

00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:55.400
devotional book, Isaiah 30, 15 says, For thus

00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:58.820
says the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, In

00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:03.460
returning and rest shall you be saved. In quietness

00:45:03.460 --> 00:45:06.719
and in confidence shall be your strength. And

00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.639
we usually stop quoting there. But the rest of

00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:14.840
the verse is, and you would not. That's one of

00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:17.719
the saddest verses in the Bible to me. That,

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you know, here's how you can do it. Just be quiet.

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But you wouldn't. And I find I have to reel myself

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in. Yeah. So that I can stop and take that time.

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Especially if you wake up later in the morning.

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Yeah, yeah. You know, that makes it more, like

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if you're able to get to bed early enough, you

00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.860
get up before the sun gets up. But as soon as

00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:46.039
time gets later, you know, you're responsible.

00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.559
There's somebody who's looking for this or that

00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.079
or, you know, and it's just, you know, try to

00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.460
go to bed early to get up early. Yes, it's true.

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Yeah, that's my. That's in our house. That seems

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to be the, you know, when you're a full -time

00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.840
ministry, there's all these, you know, things

00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.199
when there's a limited amount of time to do things.

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And it's just, you have to really fight sometimes

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to make time. It's true. It's true. And beyond

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that, it's cultivating the presence of God, regardless

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of what you're doing, practicing his presence.

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That even when you're doing other stuff. That

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you actively work on remaining aware of him.

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Yeah, I try to do that while weed eating. Yep.

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Well, Jeff, this has been really good. Would

00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:48.869
you pray for our listeners? Nope. I guess you

00:46:48.869 --> 00:46:54.869
would. Just kidding. Just kidding. Of course.

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Well, Heavenly Father, first I just thank you

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for Sharon and Phillip, Lord, for their heart

00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:06.719
for you and how they've been faithful. Lord,

00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:08.219
how they've been faithful even when no one is

00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.840
looking. And God, I pray that you would bless

00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.860
them and bless their podcast, bless their ministry.

00:47:12.980 --> 00:47:15.500
Lord, we thank you for divine connection and

00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:18.280
relationship. And I pray that you would continue

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to strengthen those. I pray that you would strengthen

00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.960
them in their calling. God, I pray for every

00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:30.139
listener. Lord, those that have been faithful

00:47:30.139 --> 00:47:32.239
in hidden places, God, I pray that you would

00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.139
continue to strengthen them. Lord, I thank you

00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:38.639
for every encounter that you've given me. God,

00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.760
I pray that you would release those types of

00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.179
encounters to your listeners. Lord, to those

00:47:44.179 --> 00:47:46.719
that are listening right now that are just hungry

00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.800
for you, Father. Lord, you know what they need.

00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:51.840
You know what the encounters they need, the experiences

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.219
they need. God, I pray that you would move powerfully,

00:47:55.300 --> 00:47:59.699
stir the hearts of your people. And Father, we

00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:03.539
lift up the persecuted church. Yes. For those

00:48:03.539 --> 00:48:06.340
that are suffering in hiddenness and hidden places

00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:12.119
that are choosing not to surrender because of

00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.119
your name. Yes, Lord. Lord, those that are held

00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.179
in high esteem in heaven, I pray that you would

00:48:17.179 --> 00:48:20.130
strengthen them. in their inner man. Strengthen

00:48:20.130 --> 00:48:22.690
them, Lord, even in their bodies, Lord, in the

00:48:22.690 --> 00:48:24.949
places of difficulty. I pray that your presence

00:48:24.949 --> 00:48:28.929
would be powerfully overshadowing them. Yes,

00:48:28.929 --> 00:48:30.969
Father. Father, I pray that you send supernatural

00:48:30.969 --> 00:48:34.929
help. Send angels to minister to them. God, in

00:48:34.929 --> 00:48:38.550
the same way as you send angels to Peter to deliver

00:48:38.550 --> 00:48:41.690
him out of bondage, I pray that similar stories

00:48:41.690 --> 00:48:46.150
would start happening right now. Yes, Lord. Thank

00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:49.579
you, Father. Lord, we thank you for our brothers

00:48:49.579 --> 00:48:54.320
and sisters that are paying a high price for

00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.880
your name. God, I pray that your name would continue

00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:04.139
to resonate, even in dark places, that the gospel

00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.820
would be proclaimed. Father, I pray that for

00:49:07.820 --> 00:49:10.219
the church that feels distant and disconnected

00:49:10.219 --> 00:49:12.860
from those realities, God, I pray that you would

00:49:12.860 --> 00:49:16.860
refine us in such a way. that our faith would

00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:20.880
shine like gold. Yes, Lord. We thank you for

00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:25.059
how loving you are, for how kind you are. Yes.

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For we bless you and worship you. In Jesus' name,

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Philip Buss. God bless you with His overwhelming,

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