(291) “Heavenly Revelations in Jerusalem” with Dean Braxton

0:00 But, you know, when I was with the Father and Jesus in heaven, there were things that I was experiencing there that when I came back to earth, I thought to myself, it's not a Jewish culture. It's not an Israeli culture. It's a heavenly culture. And there were things that God gave the Jewish people or the Israelites that were really a representative of heaven. And he meant for these people to be able to portray that on this planet. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promise outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. Wow, have we got an episode for you. We are here in Jerusalem with our dear friend, Dean Braxton, the man that we know that went to heaven for an hour and 45 minutes while his body was being worked on in the hospital.

1:11 The doctor said he was really, really dead for a long time. And this is his first opportunity to come to Israel. He said that he saw things in heaven that he didn't understand, but he knew that the Jewish people would understand them. He knew that there was something that was hidden in scripture that he wasn't seeing yet, but he was going to learn about it when he came here. And we have just had an interview with him that you're going to enjoy where he's just beginning to unpack some of the things that he saw, heavenly revelations in Jerusalem. Thank you so much for joining us today. Before we get started, we want to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, to make sure that you're on our mailing lists, our email lists. We have several to choose from.

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2:57 And Dean Braxton is going to be one of our speakers. So we want to really encourage you to come and participate in that life -changing experience and begin to make relationships with real people and not just listening, as good as a podcast is, not just... listening to podcasts, but to really meet people and to begin to form eternal relationships, because that's what this is all about. All the stuff we're doing here on the planet, as Dean says, is really all about eternity. We've been given assignments here on the earth that have to do with eternity. So we want to encourage you to participate in every way that you can in things that have an eternal value.

3:40 Well, Dean, it's a delight to have you with us here in Jerusalem. We've been talking about this for some years already. Right, right. And I remember when, I guess we'd gotten to know each other a little bit, but you told us that you had seen things in heaven that you didn't understand, but you knew that the Jewish people would understand, and you were looking forward to this. Give us a little bit more of your... Well, first of all, thank you for joining us. And just give us a little bit more of your expectations and then just roll with whatever you want to unpack from what you've seen while we've been here together.

4:26 You know, Sharon and Phil, it's really great to be able to do this. I'm excited about unpacking this, not only in this podcast, but also in future podcasts. I can see God really taking this and moving it even further. I don't know what to tie to it. I kind of like saying Jerusalem and heaven are Israelites and the heavenly encounter I had and how that... connects together. I don't really know how to title it yet or even say, you know, how to frame it. But, you know, when I was with the Father and Jesus in heaven, there were things that I was experiencing there that when I came back to earth, I thought to myself, it's not a Jewish culture. It's not an Israeli culture. It's a heavenly culture. And there were things that God gave the Jewish people or the Israelites that were really a representative of. heaven. And he meant for these people to be able to portray that on this planet. You know, there's that scripture says, you know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And we think about that when Jesus spoke it. But the reality of it, that was something that God gave to the Jewish people way back when Abraham believed that it was accounted unto him as righteousness. And I've always had a heart to come. to Jerusalem and see where the connection is. That was something I desired right after I came back to the planet. I can remember having

5:57 this desire to want to connect those things with the things that the Jewish people or the Israelites were used to. It was like there were things that they assumed we knew about that were really connected to heaven. And when we read our word or read the Bible, We're missing out on some things because it's part of their culture. Because I think sometimes what has happened is that we've looked at it and said, oh, that's Old Testament. That really doesn't apply to the New Testament. You know, even though we say the Bible, which is all books in the Old Testament and all the books in the New Testament. But we kind of like we're separated. We're just people that live in the New Testament instead of the Old Testament. But if God, in the sense of what I experienced, really did give.

6:45 heavenly substance to the Jewish people and how they were to walk on this planet, then you cannot separate it. It has to go together to really understand the New Testament, to really get the power that we were given from God even way back. In those days when Abraham believed that it was accounted unto him as righteousness, or Moses when he traveled out of Egypt into the promised land, as in the sense of Joshua really got into the promised land. But there were things that I wanted to connect in that sense. And being here in Jerusalem and Israel, I'm telling you something right now. It's been overwhelming.

7:26 I even see more than I thought I would see in the sense of the connections here. You know, it's great to go. around and visit the different places. And yeah, there is a sense of the spiritual aspect of things. But when I see these things that the Israelites had put together or the Jewish people had put together or the Levites were supposed to be doing, I look at them. I said, that right there, there it is right there, that little thing. I saw it in heaven. And now I see the connection that God wanted that to be put on the planet to the point that. Everything's alive. There's nothing dead. A couple of people that were with me, and we would look at the Ark of the Covenant, and they have the cherubim zone and the angels on the side. And they asked me a question. They said, are they really like that? And I looked at them in such a way like, they're alive. Yeah, yeah. This representation here is not the living thing. Well, we froze them in time. Oh, good way to put it. They're not frozen in time. so there's movements in that sense of being over it's so many different forms and it was like they're alive and it was like looking at them like don't you know they're alive they're not dead you know i mean it's not one though and here we think sometimes that that form or that structure or that the way it was made that's the way it is always and it's not You know, because you got live beings there. You don't have a guy

8:57 took a picture and said, hey, this is how it's going to be. They're moving all the time. Yes, beautiful. And you know what's so cool about it? Let me go a little bit farther with that. Please. They're part of the angels that are flying around listening to God and saying, holy, holy, holy, thou art holy. So they're not stuck on the Ark of the Covenant in a model. They can leave and go around the throne of God and say, holy, holy, holy, thou art holy. Wow. Glory to God. So they're not constantly hovering over the mercy seat. No. Well, they're constantly hovering in the sense that God's constantly hovering over the mercy seat. Well, there you go. There you go. The mercy seat. We would call it beneath God. I can't really say it's beneath God because in heaven there's no up or down or anything like that. But within the midst of God, there is the mercy seat. You know what I mean? Within the midst, not on the outside, not around him. in the midst of him. So you got these angels that literally go into that midst of God and they're over the mercy seat, but they're going around the throne of God also saying, holy, holy, holy, thou art holy. Now you take that as a motion picture, it gives you a whole different view of what was really taken on when God had put that symbol of that representation of heaven on this planet. Beautiful, beautiful. Well, I've always, well, I don't know if it's always, but I've had the understanding that when Moses was

10:27 on Mount Sinai with God in his presence, that God caught him up to heaven and showed him heaven, showed him what it's like, and said, okay, now here's how I want you to represent it on earth. Yeah. So that you've got... Because on earth, you have such a thing as inanimate objects. Yes. In other words, objects that are not alive. Yes. We don't consider stones to be alive. We don't consider gold to be alive. Once you cut down the tree, we don't consider it to be alive. You know, to make the Ark of the Covenant, you've got gold and you've got... The shatim tree that's been cut. The wooden box. The wooden box. Gold covered. It's a gold box inside of a wooden box inside of a gold box. And then that's all covered with gold. And then there's the gold mercy seat and then the gold cherubim. But those are on the earth inanimate. Correct. But not in heaven.

11:24 Not in heaven. Everything. Like the gold in heaven. is alive, right? It's alive. It's living. You know, I say it thinks it's intelligent. All the things that we think about as a person being alive. Here you have all these things. items in heaven but they're alive now how do you capture that the thing about capturing something here on the planet is once you capture it you're only capturing the image at that moment the next moment it's a whole different image and the next moment it's a whole different image and the next moment it's a whole different image so the image you have here on the planet is for that moment but what was the next moment you know i think about what you just said in the sense of moses being taken up and and being shown these things which i can go with that whether he left the planet or not he was shown these things right and when he was shown these things it wasn't like he was shown like a movie theater we went to the movie and paid our ticket and we went in and we sat down the seat. And the next thing you know, we're watching this movie go before us. He participated in it. So he literally, we would say he would become part of the movie. He wasn't just a viewer of the movie. He was part of the movie. So he would have been able to touch the Ark of the Covenant. He would have been able to experience the angels or the cherubim flying around and the motion being moved in heaven. He would have been able to experience the glory of God or the

12:55 midst of God around him. So it wasn't just a movie theater type of representation. And the reason I say whether he went or not, because you don't really care if you went or not, you're in it. You know what I mean? So it's like Paul said, whether I was in the body or out of the body, it doesn't matter. I was there. That's all that really matters. Yes. And so in saying that to you, it comes back to really looking at what God was trying to give to the Israelites or the people here on the planet to be able to represent that. on the planet, which is also in heaven. One of the things I'd like to point out here is that when he did do these things, Moses did these things and put these things together, everything was still alive. Even the inanimate objects we had here were alive because God was imparted within those items. They still had...

13:46 life in them. That's why when David was moving the Ark of the Covenant from one place to another place, and someone touched it, and they said they touched it wrong, and he died, because they're alive. And the power of that item was still powerful, because God was within that. He just didn't say, I'm taking a picture of something, and I'm putting it down there, and he didn't have nothing to do with it after that. He was still very much involved with that, because that's God. That's who he is. And so the power that probably came off and all of a sudden the man's physical body could not handle it, you know, is really God himself that he experienced. Wow. That's even thinking about it. You know what I mean? You know, and that's before we really dwelled with the Holy Spirit. So now we have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And if we have the presence of God because of the Holy Spirit on the inside of us, we don't get shocked. Next thing you know, we're not around. You know what I mean? Have a bigger transformer. Yeah. That's good. We don't have that experience because we have the Holy Spirit on the inside. That's a game changer.

14:53 You know what I mean? That's a whole game changer. But they didn't have that at the time. And so their experiencing of these things is without God Almighty and the sense of the Holy Spirit living on the inside of them. You know, now you can even say when Jesus said, I give you a helper. What is that really that helper doing? He's helping you to experience the spiritual realm without dying. Wow. That's really good. That is amazing. So that was one moment here that you've just kind of gone all the way around. Can I ask one before we continue? Is there anything on earth that we see in scripture that holds the glory of God that would be alive like that other than the ark? You know, all the items that we saw so far and anything related to the tabernacle period or the temple period. that was directed by God to be designed and put together, all of those things have life within them. It doesn't matter how big they are or how small they are.

15:59 Every one of them have life. Literally, wow, this is even more powerful than when you think about it. Even the priest's garments, okay? We look at it as this just represents something. No, you don't understand. God is the designer of it. He gave command to implement it. And this goes right along with heaven. There's a lot of things when you get to heaven, God is still designing and still creating. And he's giving his redeem to implement it. Okay. That's a whole different area to go into. Save that for another podcast. We're still implementing the things of God, even though he's the creator. So you've got these garments. We were up there looking at the place where Jesus was supposed to be born at the other day. Remember that? Yes. And you talked about the swallowing clothes. And you're talking about how those were the clothes that worn out. Yeah, the Levites or the priests, their garments. when they were worn out, would be turned into strips for swaddling clothes for the lambs that would be sacrificed. Well, if you think of that, if they are doing it the way God wants them to do it, that still has life within it. So did you hear what I just said? So life was being wrapped around the sheep. And then when Jesus was born, God himself, the life was wrapped around. Jesus Christ. Beautiful. The anointing. When we talk about anointing, we talk about like oil being poured on, which is some of the, you got to, God is literally pouring out his life within

17:32 that situation. Yes. And in that darkness has to leave. Darkness has to go in that sense, you know, and saying that to you. Everything that God—I'm watching all these items that we've seen so far here in Jerusalem. You know, me and you are going to go through each item. I'm going to go through the Bible. I'm going to break it down. Me and you are going to go ahead and talk about each item because each item is a world within itself. Wow. You know, I always tell people when I was in heaven that the very leaves on the tree was like a universe, if you want to understand. Wow. And you think about all the different leaves on a tree, and every one is a universe. Wow. Well, that's the same thing when we think about these things that God gave the Israelites or the Jewish people to implement here on the planet. Everything is a world within itself. And the thing about that is we'll do the best we can. We'll have boundaries because of what we're doing, but there's no boundaries with God. So when we're talking about something just like we did with the Ark of the Covenant.

18:35 That really doesn't have no boundaries. Someone's like, what's that, Melchizedek? You know, he said he had no beginning and no end. Now that's a whole different story. I got a new look on that like I've never had before. Me and you will tease it out and we'll break it up later on. in one of the podcasts that we do. But in reality, if you think about the life of God being implemented within everything that he does, you know, all the way to when we talk about the tabernacle and the way it was put together to the point of the temple and how God had that formed and why it was formed where it was. Did you hear what I said? We say build. No, formed. There's a whole different thinking when you look at forming something than building something. Wow. Can I ask a question? I rarely get to ask questions because it's always sure. It's like, with everything is alive, like the breastplate of the high priest.

19:31 You know, I remember hearing Sister Dorn, you know, when she was teaching on the tabernacle. And another name I liked at Urim and Thummim was Lights and Perfection. And it was kind of her theory that maybe the stones would light up in a particular... code or something in order. And even like Saul, when he went to inquire by the Urim and Thummim and got no answer. And that was off the ephod of the high priest and David inquired of the Lord. Did you see anything in particular about that? You know, that's really something. Philip, that you bring that up because I skipped over it a few minutes ago because it's an explosion. I literally wanted to be able to go back to the Bible and look at that for a couple of reasons. Number one, I'm writing this book on meeting family in heaven, and I know how much that breastplate plays in family development on the planet, number one. You know, you have those colors there. All of those colors are represented in heaven and in the shades of each color. So you have the color and then the shade of each color. You know, my friend here, your friend too, Mary Lois, brought up a few things about how Gwen Shaw has written a book about the 12 tribes. Yeah, the tribes of Israel. And the tribes of Israel. And I thought, man, I need to read that book because there is a connection between that book and myself. and what I experienced with the Father and Jesus in heaven. And so I think I'd be honest with you. I almost feel like God is saying to me, Gwen went so far in what

21:03 she knew, and now you can take it the rest of the way. And so I'm going to go back and look at that book or read that book for the first time. And then I'm going to take that and move forward with it when it comes to family. plate is really representing family, you know, and how family is supposed to be eternal and the role of family. The Israelites were supposed to play that out here on the planet. That was God's plan. And that breastplate was supposed to be a reminder to them of their importance as families and fulfilling their role here on the planet. And so when you ask that question about it, it is very significant. significant but it is also one of those things that i feel like god has given me the responsibility to tease it out and bring it into that heavenly realm because again we're looking at it from an earthly round i remember when we were up what i call shiloh what do they call it shiloh you know and we were talking about the breath and the priest and we you know and they were bringing up things about the priest but i'm looking at the garments and what they're in i'm saying they're representing God's family here on the planet. That's what that was really about. The uniqueness of God's family here. Yeah, they were called Israelites and now we call them the Jewish people. But the reality, God had a plan for each one of those 12 stones and their representation of the family here and the color. And every color has a sound.

22:32 So there is a sound that goes along with every color. You know what I mean? So you just can't think about color and leave it at that. There's a sound that literally goes along with that. So what was the sound of that family? Somebody better grab what I just said there. Every family has a sound to it. When that sound is disrupted or broken, then the family goes through turmoil. But as long as the sound is still going, the pure sound that God gave from heaven. Then you've got harmony with it. And that's a good way of saying it. You guys are music people. You know how harmony is. Sure, sure. But it goes along with what you just said about the priests and what they were responsible. And I really believe if we had a way to dig into that with some of the teachings here in Jerusalem, that we would find, you know, there's the, I want to say, root.

23:30 I was corrected the other day. And is that right now? They say root? Some people say root. Some people say root. Okay, root. Yeah, I was correct. So I'm trying to get that word. There's no U. It's R -O -O -T. Yeah, R -O -O -T. There's no U. Yeah. But I bet if we could, we would find it somewhere here where we're going to find out that breastplate was when it was first given. was to look at representing the israelites not as tribes as we think we have a hard time with that on the west you know we're westerners so we look at but in reality it's family and that's ingrained in this land yeah you know while you're talking about it it reminds me of two places in scripture the first one is in the book of joshua where the children of israel have come into the land And the first city that they conquer is Jericho. And God said to them, this whole thing is mine. Don't you touch anything of it there. You can't take anything as like your reward for war. The booty. There's no there's no you can't have this. This is mine. And and the principle, I think, is that the first fruits belong to the Lord. Right. So that that first city was the first fruits that all of it belonged to the Lord.

24:51 It was all dedicated to God. It was holy to God. And Achan got tempted and he took this Babylonian garment and he took this wedge of gold. And I don't remember what else he took, but he had buried it in his tent. And then they weren't able to succeed in the next battle. And Joshua was crying before the Lord. The Lord says, drive your tears. There's sin in the camp. And they gathered around. And I believe that they used, whether it was the Urim and Tumim or whether it was the breastplate itself where it spells out or it highlights the tribe, the stone of that tribe. I'm not sure how it happened. But somehow they used that, I believe, to identify, okay, which tribe is it? Right. And then which family is it? Right. And the same thing was when, I believe, when Saul was being chosen to become the king and was anointed by Samuel, that the tribe of Benjamin was chosen and the family of Kish was chosen and then Saul was chosen. And I think that somehow it was being used. or the ephod, the breastplate was being used for that purpose. And I could see that very much happening due to the fact that, again, I would say life was in that. You know what I mean? And when life is in anything, I could see the lightening up.

26:19 I could see the colors lightening up. You know, all of a sudden becoming brighter. And then a shade may become brighter. Do you understand what I'm talking about? I can see God. That's God. And most people, ah, because we're trying to look at it from a human point of view or our limitation point of view and trying to describe it from that end. And yet you've got to remember God can do these things. You know, there's many miracles he did in the wilderness, you know, that we can recall. But the reality of it is he could do it. He could light up a color and then make it. shade of it you know and who knows if the israelites are at that time each one knew their shade Oh, I wonder. It may have been a common that we are this shade, you know what I mean? And this is the shade of this color, you know, that type of thing. Because in heaven, when you get there, you're going to see so many different shades. Right. You know what I mean?

27:12 All kinds of shades of colors there. And God is still producing colors. I didn't see him changing anyone's redeem color or anything like that. I'm not saying he's not doing it. I just did see it. Right. reality of it is people were identified by their family color. And I know people say, but what about this? I don't know. He did it. I just saw it. And the closest I can come is that breastplate that's on the priest. You understand what I mean? Which represents the priest is representing who at that moment? Who is the priest representing? Jesus. So you think about that part of it. We're all connected because of him and the colors are shining. I just remember knowing there was no darkness in heaven. This just came to me. There's no darkness in heaven. Why wouldn't there be?

28:07 I always say because the Father and Jesus shines out of everything. So you think about those colors. They are beautiful colors and Jesus and the Father is shining out of everybody. So I can see that with the breastplate you're just talking about, identifying. You know, someone that way that, you know, we could go on that forever. But I really want to look at that closer because of just the book I'm writing, you know, meeting family in heaven. Yeah. And I really believe that God wants me to bring out that color. Yeah. You know. And I think that each of the stones were engraved with the letters of the name of the tribe. Yeah. So that I've and I've heard this. I don't know if it's Jewish tradition or if it's. Talmud or Mishnah or something like that. I don't know if it's written or if it's just handed down, but I understand that there is something to the letters themselves lighting up and spelling things to give the message. Wow.

29:06 I don't know if that's a fact. I don't know if you saw anything in heaven that would indicate that kind of thing. You know what I saw in heaven when you say that? When he says he's going to give us a new name, we think individually. God doesn't think individually. He thinks family. Okay. So the name that we're going to have is going to be a name that starts off with the family name. Okay. And then your name. Okay. And, you know, like we have our surnames, you know, Braxton is my surname. It comes at the end of Dean. You know what I mean? It would be like all the Braxons. And I don't want to know if the word Braxton is going to be there, but it'd be Braxton and then Dean. You know what I mean? It'd be bus.

29:47 and then Sharon, or Bus, and then Phil. So there's going to be a new name that everyone's going to be identified for, but the beginning of it is going to be telling what family you belong to. Beautiful. You know, if you think about it, you have the children of Israel, and then you have the breastplate with all the individual tribes. But the children of Israel was first, and then each one of them, they're of the tribe of Judah. And then the name came. It sounds like you've got a genealogy. That's correct. Where you've got Judah and Phares and the next one and Minadab and Nachshon. And I think part of it is because in heaven, names are your purpose.

30:37 You know, this group here does this. You know, we could go more into that because of the temple and the tabernacle and how families were called to serve. Right. You know, and they had their time of serving. Right. But the reality of it is if you break it down even more, these people are in charge of this. So their name will start off with whatever they're in charge of. And then within that breaking down of that name is you're in charge of this, but you do this part. Right. You're going to carry this piece of the tabernacle. That's right. And that would be your name. Oh, okay. And I'm breaking it down, okay, like the Ark of the Covenant and the people that carried it. You're the right front side. You're the left front side. And that would be your name. Wow.

31:28 Well, didn't you tell us at one time that when you were in heaven, that God gave you the name, go back. Yeah, and that was because of my responsibility of coming back to the planet. You may remember, if we look at this from a heavenly point of view, I want to go back to that scripture that says, Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And I'm literally taking the colors now and making them more alive because in heaven, they're not a breastplate on somebody. The redeemed are the breastplate colors. The redeemed are the breastplate. Yes. Selah. Selah. Pause and think about that for just a second.

32:11 Okay. So like on God's breastplate, is that what this is? This is what it is. And I want to break back in this because this is very significant too. Because we just think about the colors. But there's a sound with every color. So everybody has a sound. And in heaven, you're in harmony. Perfect harmony with your family, finally. That's a good way of putting it. I don't know about you, but when I think about being in perfect harmony with my family, that brings great joy to me. Oh, yes. Because on the planet, we try so hard to be imperfect. harmony with our family, not talking about other people outside of that. And again, we are all the family of God. I think I get that from people that have a hard time with their family. And so they don't want to be left out and say, no, no, that doesn't really matter. We are all the family of God. And they're right about that. We are all the family of God.

33:07 But I want to be honest, understand there is within the family, a family. You know, there were the Israelites, and that was one family, one huge family. You take cousins, once removed, or cousins three times removed, or whatever you want to say, you know what I mean? Or uncle or auntie, all that type of stuff. But within that, all that stuff, there is also a family. And that family... The major reason for that is because that family was anointed. I put that word out there, chosen, given that life word to accomplish something in God's kingdom that was supposed to be eternal, not temporal. And there was no temporal assignment in heaven. They're eternal assignments. Wow. Okay. And so if you think about that, even here on the planet. Sometimes people don't realize there is literally no temporal assignments here. They're all eternal. I believe that. And I've been saying that to people about relationships. You know, when I meet people and we connect, you know, there's certain times that you really feel a connection with people. And I said, this is an eternal connection. It is.

34:23 We may not meet again on this planet, but we have an eternal connection. And somehow. In eternity, we're going to be working together or at least acquainted or something. And I feel that way too with a lot of people. I feel like sometimes when I walk into a place, since I do a lot of meetings all over the place, I feel like sometimes I walk into a place and I know somebody. It is that I met him down the road or something like that. But our purpose was connected through Jesus. So now we're fulfilling our purpose together as we're moving forward. And it's an eternal purpose. And so it's almost like I walk in and I act like we've always known each other. Sometimes some people have a hard time with that because they're thinking, no, we got to go through the induction. I got to get to know you. You know, we got to see if you really, really who you are.

35:12 And I understand that. But there's times when I want. walk in. I can walk into a church. It's like, I have been a part of this church since the beginning. And you all are people I know. And I talk to you like that. And I have to watch out because some people, they, who are you doing that? That's how I feel. That's how I really feel. I have no strangers in the kingdom of God. Amen. Amen. That's so beautiful. We're having some technical issues that have caused us to disconnect from each other and we're reconnected now. And so if the conversation seems a little disconnected, it's because we have to go back and figure out where we dropped the ball and come back together. So we were talking about the eternal connections and how, you know, relationships that start on the earth are for eternity. But now how do you see that? Is there some way to connect what we're talking about now to what you've seen here in Israel? You know, you've seen lots of things. And I know that you are wanting to unpack some things in your own study time before you bring them back to another episode of this podcast. But I want to just see if there's anything that you saw or that you have seen here in the spirit realm or connecting to what you saw in heaven. with regard to relationships?

36:39 You know, I believe if we look at that as a whole package, what you're just talking about was the Israelites, you know, with the Jewish people, there's a different view that we need to look at them instead of just one group. Within the group, there are certain responsibilities that each portion was supposed to play. And I think they knew that as a nation. You could put it that way. And I think it was so ingrained with them that it was second nature to them to walk this way. But that wasn't portrayed. and many of the things that we now look at the Jewish people and see how they're acting. Even I think sometimes when I go around the city and I'm watching so many different sects, you could say, in the sense of this group is over here doing this, and this group is believing this, and this group is, and they're disjointed. Maybe the Pharisees and Sadducees started it out. I don't know who started it out, you know, but that God never meant for them to be disjointed like that. Yes.

37:38 You know, he meant for them to be together, moving into saying maybe to understand the reason they're disjointed, just like the body of Christ. We get disjointed a whole lot is because everybody has a certain responsibility and it's not the same. And it's a part to play in the kingdom of God, but it's not the part. And sometimes I think we want to be the part. You know, I could bring it back down to the. Church is considered the body of Christ, and every portion of the body has a different responsibility. Let's go back to the Jewish people. When the children of Israel were chosen to move forward in God's kingdom, every family has a different portion of responsibility. And then all of a sudden, somehow, one portion decided they'd take over another portion. say, hey, your portion is not as good as our portion. That's something. And yet, in God's kingdom, everything has a greatness to it. There isn't one thing that's greater to another thing. It just has a different responsibility or meaning, but it's still great. And that's what I could see in this when I go around here in Jerusalem now and see the different connections.

38:52 I think if I was to stay here longer, I would be able even to distinguish the different pieces because I would see the personality. I think when Shaw brought that out in that book when Mary Lois was talking to me, she's always talking about these different... I think that it became a deficit, but it was never meant to be a deficit. It was meant to be a plus. Because in heaven, you have the same thing going on. Everybody has these different colors. They have their different sounds in the sense of family, not individually, but as family. But everybody's also... working together, as we would say on the planet, working together. They're in unity. Oh, that's a huge word. That's a huge word. I wish we could understand unity. Doesn't mean we're all doing the same thing in the same way. We're doing what God wants us to do, but we're all connected in doing it.

39:46 There's a difference. And I think what happens a lot of time is people think unity is follow me and my steps to do exactly what I'm doing or think like I'm thinking. And then when unified, no, you can still think like you're doing as long as it's God, because my thinking will come alongside yours. And now we're in unity. And so that's what I think I've seen in Jerusalem is that when we talk about the Israelites, the people here. is they don't have the unity because one group believes this way, one group believes that way, one group believes this. Me and you were talking about it, and it's of the Temple Mount, where the actual temple would be. If it was to come back, where would it be placed at?

40:30 And one group believes it should be over here, and another group believes it should be over there. And then they get what we call very dogmatic or religious about it, to the point where I'm not going to talk to you because you think it's over here. And then we don't have unity. Yeah, there's division. And division. And then you got the enemy of God says, hey, I'm going to take advantage of that division. Right. You know, and then he brings his evil influence up here. And the next thing you know, now we're not fighting only ourselves because we don't agree on something. Now we got all these other demons and devils and evil spirits to fight. Sure. You know, and that's what I see here in this area. Very spiritual place for both sides. What do you mean by that?

41:12 There's a good side and there's a bad side, but both is very spiritual. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, I think it's like zooming in and zooming in and zooming in and zooming in. And the biggest focus is who's going to be worshipped on the Temple Mount. Yes. You know, you've got the whole earth. Yes. The whole earth belongs to the Lord. But you've got this land. That God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and their descendants. So you get this land, and then you focus down, and then you've got Jerusalem. It's the city of the great king. And then you've got the Temple Mount, where his presence dwelt. There's still a sense of the presence of the Lord there.

41:58 And the idea of the battle that's going on. And you talked about... some of the darkness that you saw, some of the demonic activity, that they're not just fighting the good, they're also fighting among themselves. They're fighting each other. Tell us a little about that. That's a good thing, too. Yeah, it is. I remember us being on the Mount of Olivet, and it was during a time when they were praying. Oh, yes. And we could look down literally into the Temple Mount. Yeah. And I could see in that spiritual realm, and it was like the demons are fighting each other more than they were fighting the light. You know, I mean, trying to see who was going to be in control. But, you know, that's evil. Evil always fights against itself. Right. And you may say, well, good fights against itself. No, good doesn't fight against itself. This is true. And I'm telling you right now, good does not do that. Well, this group is fighting against, then they must not be on the good side. That's a whole different story because good does not fight against itself.

42:56 You know, well, the church fights against. I was there. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against his church. I don't know what church you're talking about, but the church of Jesus is not fighting. Now you may have a personality problem or you may go through some issues with somebody, but that doesn't mean Jesus is with you fighting against that person. Sometimes you say our pride gets in the way. Let's put it that way. But in that sense of going back and looking at all the demonic that I've seen in this area is that literally they're fighting against themselves. And they're trying to jockey to see who's going to be in control. There's some movies that I've watched, and I remember seeing how the demonic realm would fight against itself. You know, they'd kill each other off in a moment. You know what I mean? People think, well, you know, don't you guys do the same? No.

43:47 Again, good doesn't do that. Okay, that's evil. Evil will do that, but good doesn't do that. And so here we got these demonic things fighting with each other, killing each other off all the time in the sense of trying to get power so that they'd be in more charge. They'd be in charge of something more than anything else. They're all after one thing, and that's the worship. to be recognized by us to redeem so that they get some kudos for themselves let's put it that way you know yeah sometimes we'll do that i'll tell you the truth sometimes we'll recognize them and Give them a bigger honor, you know, in the sense of how we describe them than they should ever be honored. And I like that scripture said that it was against the law. Now I understand to even say the names of demons, you know, and most people don't realize it was against the law. Because once we say things, we don't realize it was given to us. Life and death is in the power of tongue. We start edifying them. And once we start edifying them, then we give them more power to go ahead and do some things that they shouldn't be able to do to us because we've edified them. But Sharon, when I go back and I think about that and looking down and seeing all that take place, the other thing that I came to understand is we got the restrainers that are here. People that are praying and they're restraining the evil. So it's not going out.

45:16 We got bad things happening in the planet. Don't get me wrong. But the reality of it is God has placed people here to restrain in that spiritual realm things that would be a lot worse off. And so I think I want to go back because I didn't bring this out earlier. When the children of Israel were moving, and I believe they probably knew this because they had the cloud, you know, by day and the pillar by night. They always knew that the presence of God was going to go with them as they went forward. And many times it was the heavenly host that was going with them in the sense of angels. And we look at it as they were traveling. But God always had that heavenly host going with them. Okay. And so.

46:03 that heavenly host has not been reassigned. Oh, that's good. You understand what I mean? That's good. And so it's probably not as active as it would like to be, but it's still around. You understand what I'm talking about? And so in saying that to you, you've got that heavenly host that's still around. We always talk about the miracles of this nation, just how it came into existence and how they won this and how they did this. You've got to remember, they still had the heavenly host. It's like when David was anointed as king of all of Israel. And he said, well, should I go forward and fight the Philistines? And the Lord said, when you hear the army of the Lord in the treetops go forward, well, that's that heavenly host. There's still a sign to this nation. Yes, yes. And that wasn't far from here.

46:51 Yeah. That was really just some blocks from here. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. So in saying that to you, it's still here. Still here. I've been a lot of places and a lot of places throughout the world and also in the United States. And I will say the most spiritual activity I've ever seen is being in this place on both sides. There is a lot going on here and a lot. Yes. Wow. Do you have any other impressions that you want to share? You know, I'm looking forward to our future times together where I really am excited about going through the word of God and looking at it because God is a detailed God. I haven't had the release to talk about the things that I'm talking about now. And now God is revealing these things to me. from the earthly point of view. I had them from the heavenly point of view, but from the earth. So I'm looking forward to working with global outpouring in the next few months. And we're really teasing out the things in the next few months and watching how God brings these things to life. And I love it that you and Phil have this background. You've been coming, how long have you been coming? Since 1978. Yeah, and since you guys, it helps out when you bring in those little things on the side. I think in traveling and since I've been here in Jerusalem, and I loved it when Gene Little would bring up

48:23 things, or Mayor Lewis would bring up. things that filled with break because it opened up even more for me to be able to see you know and to connect and there was so many wow moments i didn't always say it out loud but in my head there was like wow wow because now i was connecting that heavenly realm to this earthly realm and how god poured it into the israelites you know the jewish people to be able to spread upon the earth And it was like, wow, that's why you did that. Wow, that's why you said that. Wow, that's why you had them create that. There were so many of those. And I didn't know it was going to be that vast. I knew there were some things I wanted to connect, but I didn't know. It was going to be that fast. So I'm excited to look forward for the next few months and go through the word of God and bring out things. And I'll probably be calling you up and sharing. I found this out.

49:24 Listen to this. You know, I feel you've got to hear this. You've got to hear this. And then we would develop it and be able to bring it out in this form. Because I believe it's going to bring life. You know, it's not to promote me or anything. It's to really bring life to people. Yes. So that when they read their word, you know, their Bible, it'll be more. I like what a friend of mine, Nancy Teal, said that when she came, being here really helped her the first time that she was here, put more life to the Bible. Yes. And I can see that. I would recommend anybody, if you get an opportunity to come to Jerusalem, take it because it will do that for you. But we'll be able to go farther. We will be able, me and you and Phil, we'll be able to not only, if someone comes here and says, okay, now you've seen the Ark of the Covenant. Now when they look at it, they think, well, in heaven, those just cherubims are alive. Yes. Do you understand?

50:24 Yes. All of a sudden, the Ark of the Covenant isn't just a box with poles somebody carried. Right, right. And all of a sudden, it's alive. Yes. Does that make sense to you? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I have seen. in the spirit, in the description of how to make the Ark of the Covenant. And I mentioned earlier that it's a gold box inside of a wooden box, inside of a gold box. And the kind of wood that it's made out of is shittim wood. And it's like acacia and it's thorny and it's gnarly. It grows really slowly in the desert. You know, it's just, it's a hard wood. And to me, that's a picture of our fleshly nature. And gold is a picture of deity.

51:09 So when you get Jesus on the inside of you, and you find yourself in Christ, and then that gold crown that goes around the top of it, it covers up the fleshly life. It covers up that fleshly behavior. It takes us into Galatians 5. I love how you call it G5. That whole list of the fleshly nature. These are the works of the flesh. All that gnarly stuff, all that pokey stuff, all that stuff that you've described to us doesn't go to heaven. And you get it tempered with the presence of the Holy Spirit, where the Holy Spirit is bringing forth His fruit of love and joy and peace and patience and faith and kindness and gentleness and all these things that are the fruit of the Spirit, that are the nature. of the Lord Jesus in our lives. It's the deity, the gold covers up that fleshly nature and gets empowered by the presence of God. Yeah. Well, it's going to be good to tease all that out.

52:18 Yeah. In the next few months and me and you and Phil be able to go through it. And I'm still excited. I could say more. I won't say that. It's just that I really want to be more detailed. Yes. I just want to be more detailed. The showbread. Why was it showbread? Oh, yeah. You know, why was it even created in the way it was created? Why do we have the procedure that they have? You know, I know we have an earthly definition. Right. But those are the things I experienced in heaven. Good. And they're in the word. Okay. I just want to go through it and help people because I really believe in doing that. They'll even see more. Yes. They'll see more. And the whole purpose of it is that we be changed by the presence of God, that the eyes of our understanding are being enlightened, like Ephesians talks about, that it's not just about getting head knowledge.

53:13 This is about getting transformed from glory to glory, from faith to faith, that all of these things that we're doing are equipping us for operating with our Father in the purpose that He made us for. So would you pray for our listeners? Father, thank you for each and every person that's listening right now. Thank you that you love them so much. Thank you that you have your hand on them even right now. And some of the people, Father, I know they got excited by just hearing this. And then some people are kind of like, I got to question some things. I'm asking you right now to calm that so that they can be able to hear you and what will be brought out, not only what was brought out in this moment, but also what will be brought out in the future.

54:02 I thank you, Lord, that you love them so much. That you want them to know this more than they even are desiring to know it. And some of them are desiring like everything they have. I also, Lord, ask you to open up the door for those that want to come to Jerusalem. Make a way for them. to be able to come financially, because that's usually the biggest hindrance for people not coming, Lord. And then also, Lord, just to have it where when they come, that they even experience more of what we're talking about, Lord. Make this a place that people come, and as my good friend Mary Lloyd said, before rivers come out of them, as they go back and they touch other parts of their nation, Lord. You know, that's what the Israelites were... given this responsibility you know they were given this responsibility to touch nations so father in the name of jesus i just pray that the doors open for people to come but they also go back and touch their nation and lord i just thank you right now that you're healing some people physically yes this is a outward example of you doing something inward within their lives right now I thank you. And Lord, somebody's listening to this and don't even really know what we're talking about. I ask you to keep on drawing them. In your word, it says, seek, knock, and ask, and you will find.

55:28 So Father, I'm asking in the name of Jesus, they're seeking you. So help them to find you. Send somebody to them as you did Ananias to Paul, you know. Yes. And you helped him to find his way. Send someone to them right now in the name of Jesus. Comfort them in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also looking for a great move of the Holy Spirit.

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