“Eight Hours in Hell” with Steve Kang (338)

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The hopelessness that I felt there, I know is

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something no human being should feel. It's the

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worst emotion. Like the pain I feel on earth

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is okay compared to that. Like the emotional

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pain and junk I went through in ministry, which

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was hard, rejection, gossip, flash, my old nature

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coming out, is nothing compared to having 0 %

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God in hell because I experienced that. God promises

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in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to Global Outpouring. Are we content

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for that promised outpouring? Be equipped for

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that outpouring so that we may engage in that

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very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon

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Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. Have we got

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an amazing episode this time. We have with us

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as our guest, Steve Kang, who was born and grew

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up in South Korea and came to America and had

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an experience. where he spent eight hours in

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hell. And he's going to tell us about his life

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and his story and what hell is like. Thanks so

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much for joining us today. You are going to so

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much enjoy this episode. It is... Shall I say

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it's on fire? But not with hellfire. It's with

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fire of the Holy Ghost. So before we get started,

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So Steve Kong, we are so happy to have you with

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us. This is really an exciting moment for us.

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We heard you recently at the Life After Conference,

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and we're just delighted to welcome you to our

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podcast. It's a blessing and honor to be here

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at Global Outpouring. And thank you for all you

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guys are doing. I'm so excited about the fact

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that when we met, that you came to our book table

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and said, Gwen Shaw. That's one of my favorite

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authors. And you love her books. And so we were

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already really connected in a way before we were

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connected. So I love the eternal relationships

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that come out of these things. So anyway, we

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want to talk about your life and your experiences.

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Let's start with you were not raised in a Christian

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home. Tell us about that. Yeah. So Sharon, I

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was raised in a very Very committed Buddhist

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home. My grandma on both my father and mother's

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side were super devoted. So they took me to the

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temples and didn't want us going to church because

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my mom wanted to go to church. But my grandma

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was like, you're not taking anyone to church.

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So we were all kind of forced to go to the temple.

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And my mom and dad actually met at the temple.

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It was almost like an arranged marriage in a

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way. And when I was born, I didn't know I was

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committed to the service of the Buddhist faith.

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So from the age of six, I was learning how to.

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like seeing the spirit, how to pray a long time,

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how to do the chants, have a Buddhist worldview

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of life, death, heaven, hell, judgment, and reincarnation.

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So it was ingrained in me, and that's why I didn't

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go to church. And I thought it was the only way,

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like the way. I mean, because in the temples

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they teach you, all the religions are valid.

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So they're like, yeah, yeah, you know, you can

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check out church, but you got to come back to

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the temple. So that's my Buddhist upbringing

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and background. Wow. And so were you, like, what

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does it take to be a monk? Is that what you were?

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Yeah. So I was like a modern monk, Sharon. So

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I didn't have to, like, cut my hair. But a monk

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is somebody who is, like, all in. They're the

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signal to the world. And sometimes they go for

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10 years, two years, two months, but they come

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back to the world. Some make a vow and stay there

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forever. There is a vow of celibacy. There's

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a vow of not eating certain foods. not going

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to certain places. But what's funny is I noticed

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when I was there, like everybody was breaking

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the rules. Like nobody was like, oh, this is

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a perfect monk, right? That's when I was like,

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something's off here. But when we don't have

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Christ, when a human being doesn't have Christ,

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we're so blinded that I thought, oh, you know

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what? That's okay. Like they'll still reach Nirvana

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one day or I look at their effort, right? But

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they were all breaking the rules. Some of them

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grew hair. Some of them were. going back down

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to the world, eating meat secretly, drinking,

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committing sin, and not praying during the prayer

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time. So I did not see a perfect monk in there,

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but I was one of them in training to serve at

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the temples, to learn from my aunt, who was the

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second in charge of the entire denomination of

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our Buddhism. She was working very closely. And

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some of these monks, what happens is very interesting.

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They say, Oh, you know what? I met a spirit and

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he told me I'm going to reach nirvana and they

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proclaimed themselves to be the Messiah. So in

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our particular sect of Buddhism, the guy said

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he was the monk. He said he was the Messiah.

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So we thought he was the savior of the world.

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Can you believe that? That's how blind did we

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get without the light of Christ. So I repented

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of all that. Wow. Wow. And I read in your book

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that you were talking with one of the monks about,

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you know, when am I going to reach nirvana? He

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said that you were. paying for the sins that

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you committed in a previous life. Tell us about

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that. Yeah, so Buddhism is all about no beginning,

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no end, which is metaphysically impossible because

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for us to reach at a finite point today, we cannot

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traverse infinity to get to a finite point called

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today. So it's a bunch of mumbo jumbo. But, you

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know, I didn't know any of this. So when I was

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in Buddhism without Christ, without his grace

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and might. I thought reincarnation was real.

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So the monks taught me that the human life is

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a summation of all the previous lives put together.

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All the good deeds and bad deeds has created

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you. So when we see homeless people, they say,

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you know what, they deserve it. They deserve

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it, Steve, because they sinned in their past

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life. Isn't that horrible? That justifies suffering.

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It justifies oppression. So Buddhism is all about

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escaping the cycle of life by reaching nirvana.

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And only a few people did it in history. all

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of history i said what are my chances they said

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it's very slim but it takes millions of years

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so i said wow millions of years but i wanted

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to reach this so bad because i i was i looked

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at the world and the inequality in it the suffering

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of my neighbors even though my grandparents were

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the wealthiest family in our entire town in south

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korea um i saw all these people serving in our

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houses and i felt bad for them like the grandmas

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the ones cleaning the house and delivering the

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food and because my grandpa had a winery people

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delivering all the time, working so hard, getting

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so frail. And when I saw that, I was like, you

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know what? I got to reach Nirvana because we're

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just going to keep suffering. But amongst it,

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it's going to take you millions of years, Steve.

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So you better start now. So I was so scared and

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stressed. Oh, that's why I was spending a lot

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of hours praying and meditating because the more

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you pray, the faster you get there. But it still

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takes millions of years, which is horrible. Wow.

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What hopelessness. That's hopelessness. And yet

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they're devout in spite of the hopelessness.

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That's just, oh, that's sad. It's so sad. Very

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sad. So you kind of bounced back and forth between

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living in South Korea and living in the United

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States. Like, how did that go? And what were

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your experiences when you came to the United

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States? Yes, I loved America. I saw movies when

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I was a kid of all like E .T. and all these like

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cool, like the Brady Bunch. And I remember those

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shows and I was like, wow, we kind of look like

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it right now, right? The three windows. And I

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remember thinking it'd be so cool to go there

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one day. And sure enough, my dad sends me, my

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mom and my brother to America to kind of prepare

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for his move there. And my mom was a registered

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nurse. She just retired last year. So she gets

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a job at a VA hospital, Veterans Hospital as

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an RN in Boston. And so I moved there when I

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was in the fourth grade, age of nine, third grade

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in Korea, fourth grade in America. And when I

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came, oh my gosh, I saw the supermarkets, aisles

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of food. I've never seen anything like that in

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my life because in the supermarkets, Korea is

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like a quarter of an aisle, right? And then the

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open markets, the flea markets where you... buy

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different food. But I remember coming to America

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and seeing the cookies, the Thanksgiving, Halloween,

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Christmas, the choir, the toys, the video games.

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Everybody was so nice to me. They welcomed me.

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They taught me English. I had a great ESL teacher.

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I still remember her name. And I remember coming

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to America thinking like, I'm not going back.

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So I came here fourth grade, middle school, and

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freshman in high school, I spent in America.

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Then what happened? And I went back to South

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Korea because there was an international school

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that my dad wanted me to come back to. So they

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actually teach everything in the American education

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system, like advanced placement. You take SATs

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and you're actually prepared to go to college.

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So the ones that were attending our school were

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like diplomat kids, military kids, U .S. citizens

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who had a temporary visa for Korea. So I went

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there for three years and came to California.

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It was the only school I got into. I got waitlisted

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and rejected from all the Ivy Leagues. So I came

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to a college called Pomona College, a very prestigious

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liberal arts school where you study philosophy,

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law, and the classics and so forth. And they

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have an amazing pre -med program. So I got in

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there, but I came as a Buddhist. So a lot of

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people were like reaching out to me to go to

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church. Like, Steve, we all go to church. But

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when I saw them, none of them really had this

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conviction that was like, Steve, you got to believe

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in Jesus. They just kind of looked at me and

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said, oh, you're Buddhist? Well, that's okay.

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You see what I'm saying? But there was one sister.

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Her name was Mary. Her father was a pastor. She

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was like, every time they had food, because my

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parents were in Korea still, and I was kind of

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alone, no family here in California. I remember

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her giving us food, inviting me to a family picnic,

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and always sharing Jesus. But besides her. Nobody

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shared Christ with me. So for me, success became

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a God. You got to prove yourself, be self -righteous,

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ready to defend yourself, fight for everything,

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which is the opposite of surrender and trust

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in God. So that's how I grew up before I met

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the Lord and before my tragedy. So you were studying

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law, right? And then how did you get started

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with smoking marijuana? Yeah, so that... It was

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just something everybody did in the non -Christian

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world. So like the church kids are here, right?

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They didn't look like they're having fun. They're

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always like reading the Bible. Cause I used to

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peek into the Bible study and they didn't invite

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me to the Christian clubs. I joined the party

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club and we were all always partying. And like

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once in a while, somebody will have weed. And

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when I smoked it, I was like, Oh, this feels

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good. Right. And then, but the, there was a law

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of diminishing returns, like marginal diminishing

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returns. So every time I, smoked the next time

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it wasn't as good it wasn't as good so they're

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like steve you gotta try this you gotta try that

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so i was not a major drug user but it was enough

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to kill me because for the whole summer between

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my freshman and sophomore year i was getting

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high every day and i remember just never being

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sober i don't remember anything in that summer

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it was just a big blur of getting high for 90

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days so when i came back to school my sophomore

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year To study, my brain was not functioning.

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And I was like, man, I got a lot slower. I don't

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feel as smart and sharp because that's what weed

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does. It destroys, you know, your brain cells,

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as you know. Excuse me for interrupting, but

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I just want to, before you go on with your story,

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I want you to make a comment about why do we

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now have legalized marijuana? Yeah, I think it

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was a very bad move. If it does that. I think

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it was a very bad move, but. I think the government

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looked at it and said, they're going to smoke

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it anyway, so let's tax it. But a lot of people

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who are in the legal business, they're not making

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money because there's so much regulation and

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fees. So what I heard is, because I did some

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research, the people who are selling it illegally

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make more money because obviously they're not

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paying for regulation fees and taxes. I think

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they legalized it. knowing it's unpreventable.

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To be frank with you, I don't know, but I think

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it's a very bad move. I think we should illegalize

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it. You don't need cannabis. They're like, oh,

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cannabis is good for sleep. Oh, cannabis is good

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for that. Oh, it's so good for healing. It's

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not true because my friends are using it to alleviate

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their pain. It's getting worse. There's no success

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stories, if that makes sense. Wow. There's other

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remedies to heal. Yeah, I mean, you made the

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comment about it destroys brain cells. Oh, yeah.

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Just like alcohol, just like anything else. And

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it's a gateway drug because after marijuana,

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people do the more radical drugs like ecstasy

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and methamphetamine. And, you know, the list

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goes on, right? And there's cocaine and then

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there's heroin, PCP, angel dust, shrooms. So

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all these drugs are so detrimental. Many pastors

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in deliverance ministry know it's a gateway to

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hell. Enos can come through these drugs. It causes

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death. Okay. Yeah. I just wanted, you know, your

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experience to make a comment about what we're

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looking at right now because it's such a big

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thing now. And I think the highway departments

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and police reports will verify that there's more

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accidents and there's more. more other problems

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after this legalization. Anyway, let's move on.

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Let's go back to your testimony. I just kind

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of felt I needed to interrupt there. Yeah, for

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sure. You were saying that you started your sophomore

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year and you're having struggles with your brain.

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Take it from there. Yeah, so I couldn't study

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like I used to. Like I'll pick up books and I

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couldn't read. I didn't have the same focus,

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concentration level, couldn't sleep. So my friend

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comes, my... Party friend, another brother comes

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and says, hey, I got real good stuff. Let's smoke

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one more time. And I told myself, I'm going to

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just quit. But, you know, people can't just quit.

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We don't just change overnight. You know, some

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people are like, oh, I'm going to wait till I'm

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80 to repent and believe in Jesus. No, we got

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to start now. You know, so I told myself, oh,

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I'll just quit smoking weed. But when it was

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in front of me, I was like, oh, I'll take another

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hit. See, it's so I smoked it again. And this

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one was laced or sprayed with. all types of stuff,

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heroin, cocaine, PCP. So it looks like weed,

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but the effects of the drug was something I've

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never felt. I felt intense fear, anxiety, confusion.

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I felt like I was possessed. I lost sense of

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time. I lost sense of who I am, where I am. Like

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people would ask me like, what date after I smoked

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that weed in September of 1998, I literally forgot

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what time or date was. People were asking me,

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do you know what time it is? I was like, I have

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no idea. And I was just in oblivion. And I stayed

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up for 10 straight days for 240 straight hours

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after smoking that. It was hell. Around the third

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day, I was having like psychosis. Fourth day,

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I looked in the mirror and I couldn't recognize

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myself. I was like, who is that? Looking back

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at me and my mom and all my friends are like,

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Steve, something's wrong with you. I couldn't

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verbalize my thoughts. I couldn't read one sentence

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in a book. And that's when I knew I was going

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to die. I think it was demon possession. And

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this is a fact. Fifty percent of heroin users

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commit suicide. Five, one and two. Yeah. They

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sell their couch, their TV, because if you don't

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smoke it and your brain doesn't work again. But

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once you smoke it again, it goes back down. So

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it's a death cycle. Last year alone, I think

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60 ,000 plus people in the U .S. died from use

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of fentanyl. But thank God, you know, the new

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administration is tackling drugs and we're cutting

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down drug supply. So for the first time in many,

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many years, a number of drug -related deaths

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and homicide has dropped in America. So thank

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God for that. That's the result of prayers of

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the church. Thank you, Jesus. But I was going

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to become a statistic. So on the 10th day, or

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on the 9th day, excuse me, I started having encounters

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with demonic beings. Because when my mom saw

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what happened to me, she goes, Steve, the Buddhist

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gods must be mad. We need to pray. So me and

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my mom, so I left school. Forget school. I dropped

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out of school. I didn't even tell them. I just

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came home, and me and my mom are praying to Buddha,

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and all these poltergeist kind of activities

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start happening. Our cups are falling. I was

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in the middle of a horror movie, guys. I saw

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these movies, but it was happening in real life.

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We had a cup in the bathroom, and me and my mom's

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in the living room, and we hear it falling, and

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we're like, ah, we're getting the chills you

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get watching a horror movie. And then we had

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Buddhist writings on the wall, and it would make

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metallic noises like da -da -da -da -da -da -da.

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Like a piece of paper going ta -ta -ta -ta -ta.

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We bought it from the monks because they said

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blessings flow out of it. I literally think there

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were demons hiding in there because they do chants

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and curses. It looked like alien writing. I don't

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know what that is. So it got worse as I was high

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and praying to Buddha. And on the ninth day,

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the evil spirit, whom I thought was God back

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then, Guys, he came to me and offered me a deal.

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He's talking to me like I'm talking to you. And

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I was so brain damaged and so spiritually down

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and possessed that the spiritual world and the

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earth became like one. So I don't even know if

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I was hallucinating, but this evil spirit came

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to me and said, Steve, I know how hard it is.

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And I said, yes, get me out of this. And he goes,

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well, if you give your life to me and commit

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suicide. you know kill yourself i'll give you

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50 000 less years of hell and i'm thinking what

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did he what did he look like just uh what i thought

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god would look like he it was kind of weird because

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he looked like the god that i imagined not to

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look like he was because i didn't know i didn't

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know jesus back then so it was just a nice looking

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really old like asian grandpa with a beard no

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hair i think it was bald here and wearing like

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a white robe with like a staff with some stuff.

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And he came to me and says, it's time to go home.

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It's time to go home. It's time to offer yourself.

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Because I know how much you're suffering. And

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I was like, wow, here's my God. He's here to

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help me. So as he's talking to me, he says, you

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have to kill yourself. And at that moment, I

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was like, oh, I guess my time's up on earth.

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I didn't even argue. I didn't say why. I wasn't

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like, are you sure? Because I was already so

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brain damaged. As a matter of fact, in America,

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60 people, excuse me, commit suicide every day.

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So I worked as a U .S. Army chaplain. I think

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15 or 20 veterans commit suicide every day from

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PTSD. So my job was to prevent suicide because

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I know what it's like. And in South Korea alone,

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a very developed nation with everything you need

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to live a good life, 50 people commit suicide

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every day. Many of them are minors. So suicide

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is a huge pandemic. And I was going to become

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a statistic because the devil comes to steal,

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kill, destroy. Steal, kill, and destroy. So he

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offers me this deal. And I did the math, right,

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Phil? I'm like, oh, two minutes of pain sharing

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for 50 ,000 years of no pain? That mathematically

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made sense to me. It was like the last logical

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thought I could think of. So I went to, I wrote

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my mom a letter. I apologized. I grabbed the

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biggest knife I could find. And on the 10th day,

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it was around September 10th and 11th, I grabbed

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the knife and I went for it and I cut my... neck

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open here and my stomach has a huge, I don't

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want to lift up my shirt, but it goes all the

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way down about a two feet long scar. I just went

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for it. But before I stabbed myself, my mom saw

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me. So she called 911 and all the police came

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from the Irvine police station right down the

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street. And I remember them telling me to put

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the knife down. I was actually very surprised

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they came so early because my mom saw it. She

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read a letter that I wrote her the day before

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I attempted suicide. I said, Mom, I'm sorry.

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I'm just going to go ahead of you, but I'll meet

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you in the netherworld. I'll wait for you there.

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And she was just weeping like, what the heck

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are you talking about, son? She was weeping,

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weeping, weeping. And then she was praying more

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to Buddha, which made everything worse. And then

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when the cops came, the grandpa was urging me.

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He's like, these guys are here to prevent you

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from having less pain. So resist him. So don't

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lose. So they're like, put the knife down. So

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I said, oh, I'm going for it now. And then when

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I went for it, they maced me. They ripped the

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knife away. We were like wrestling four on one.

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And eventually they pulled the knife from me.

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But by then I had scars everywhere from the bat

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wounds, mace, the self -inflicted wounds. My

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pinky still doesn't bend because I cut a muscle

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here. But I knew at the resurrection it will

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work. And the scars will be gone. I think Christ

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is the only one that has the scars forever to

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remind us of his selfless love. So when that

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happened, I'm having an NDE now. Now the near

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-death experience kicks in. And I'm going from

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eternity to the present realm back and forth.

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And I was like, oh my gosh, I'm dying. And as

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I saw myself here and went back into my body,

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came back to the eternal realm, excuse me, went

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back to the... Went to the eternal realm, came

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back to the present world, back and forth a handful

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of times. I was looking for the grandpa to guide

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me because he's the one who told me to kill myself,

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but he was nowhere to be seen. I'm all alone,

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and I'm not even going up. So I come out. Physically,

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in the natural world, my body's been taken to

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the UCI Medical Center, but spiritually, in the

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real eternal realm, I was just sinking, sinking

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into hell. And when I landed in hell, it was

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just like the Bible says. It was... filled with

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souls. Now, there's two types of hell, and I

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want to be very biblically accurate here. There's

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Sheol, where souls are waiting and we are tortured.

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Jesus talks about being beaten with many blows.

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Those who knew God's will didn't do it are beaten

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more. I know that's not angels beating up people.

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That's not Jesus beating us up. That's demons.

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There's so many verses, because I got a lot of

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questions as I did hundreds of interviews, literally,

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like, Steve, you know, there's no demon. They're

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burning in the lake of fire. That's the second

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judgment. Gehenna is two different Greek words.

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So I was in Sheol. I want to make sure. So my

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books just say eight hours in Sheol. Because

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people are like, how can you be in hell, Stephen?

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And angels torture you. I was like, well, here's

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20 verses on that. So in Sheol, it was crowded.

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There were so many people there. And for the

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first time in my existence, I knew. that I was

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a sinner, that I deserve this. And secondly,

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I supernaturally knew this is going to last forever.

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Like this is my eternal rightful judgment. Isn't

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that strange? You just have to agree with it.

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There's no like, oh, I disagree, God. Like I

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want to make my petition. It's too late. We got

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to accept Jesus now before we die. That's why

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even last night we were at Walmart, like 50 of

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us was preaching the gospel. I met this Muslim

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and he was in a... You know, the shopping carts

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that kind of drives itself because he was injured,

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like people who are injured, ride it. Not a wheelchair,

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but automatic one. Yeah. He was writing that

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he came out and I said, brother, God loves you.

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And he goes, don't tell me that I'm a Muslim.

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I said, well, you're riding the chair. What if

00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:12.519
Jesus heals you? And he goes, well, if he can,

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I would like prayer. So he's like, can you pray

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for me? I was like, yeah, see, they don't even

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care what religion they are. They want to touch

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from God almighty. They want to touch from Jesus.

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So we're out there preaching the gospel, leading

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people to Jesus because it's now. So because

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I didn't receive Jesus, I was in Sheol. And when

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I looked around, by the grace of God, I experienced

00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:36.869
eternal separation, what that feels like. The

00:25:36.869 --> 00:25:40.250
hopelessness that I felt there, I know is something

00:25:40.250 --> 00:25:42.890
no human being should feel. It's the worst emotion.

00:25:43.029 --> 00:25:45.950
Like the pain I feel on earth is okay compared

00:25:45.950 --> 00:25:48.730
to that. Like the emotional pain and junk I went

00:25:48.730 --> 00:25:51.180
through in ministry, which was hard. rejection,

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:55.779
gossip, flash, my old nature coming out, is nothing

00:25:55.779 --> 00:25:59.779
compared to having 0 % God in hell because I

00:25:59.779 --> 00:26:02.880
experienced that. And the Lord says that's called

00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:07.059
eternal separation. Wow. So did you have any

00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:10.019
demons attacking you, that kind of thing? Yeah,

00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:12.319
because I know earlier you wanted me to discuss

00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:15.180
the detail. So in Sheol or hell, what people

00:26:15.180 --> 00:26:18.980
call hell, visually it was very dark. When I

00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:21.759
looked up, It was pitch black, like the darkest

00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.819
night, but there was still reddish, purplish

00:26:23.819 --> 00:26:27.640
light near the bottom. The number of souls was

00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:29.420
just, you can't even count. There's souls here,

00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.079
souls there, souls on the cliff. When I looked

00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.420
up, there were these demonic beings with capes,

00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:36.740
which I knew they were in charge. I knew these

00:26:36.740 --> 00:26:38.339
things are going to do something. Some of them

00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:40.180
are huge. Some of them are like human height.

00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.759
I looked to the left and it was cells. You know,

00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:45.279
there's a mentor and friend of mine named Bill

00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:50.099
Weiss. Yes. 23 minutes. Yes. We're going to Fox

00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:52.740
News in a few weeks to the Sean Hanty show together

00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:56.059
to talk about the reality of hell to reach millions

00:26:56.059 --> 00:26:59.119
of Americans. And he actually became a mentor

00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.740
of mine. So check this out, guys. So I saw her

00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:04.200
in September of 98, and I live in Irvine. He

00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.099
lives in Irvine too, but he saw her in November

00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:10.140
of 98, two months later. But he had a greater

00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:12.799
detail of the cell. He actually got tortured

00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.180
by the demons. I didn't get tortured, but I saw

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:17.839
the cells, which he saw as well. And I was like,

00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.240
what are those jail cells in the middle of this

00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.359
hell place? And I knew I was going to get in

00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:24.480
there sooner or later and get tortured. The people

00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.400
are going to get thrown in there. And I was in

00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.160
so much agony and hopelessness and feeling guilty

00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.259
and condemned. Hopeless is the word. Like there's

00:27:34.259 --> 00:27:37.019
no redemption there. There's no chance. It's

00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:39.640
too late. There's no mental capacity to talk

00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.279
to people like, hey, how'd you get here? What's

00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.839
your name? I'm from Irvine. I'm Steve. No one's

00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.559
talking to each other. So I felt so lonely. I

00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.920
felt so lonely, guys. You're just surrounded

00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.279
by people who are selfish, sinful, judged. And

00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.680
even though people are everywhere, I never felt

00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.980
so alone in my life. And more than the physical

00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:02.140
pain for me was the spiritual, emotional torture

00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:06.299
and brokenness that I felt. And knowing I deserved

00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:08.440
it too. Isn't that strange? I never heard the

00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.220
gospel, but I knew I was a sinner, which is weird.

00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:13.740
Because you tell everybody right now who's not

00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:15.119
going to church, hey, you're a sinner. They'll

00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.859
go, I'm not a sinner. You're a sinner. Everyone's

00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:18.980
a sinner. It's okay, right? It's okay to sin

00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:21.279
once in a while. But Jesus doesn't talk that

00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:24.140
way. He says, repent, sin no more so nothing

00:28:24.140 --> 00:28:27.039
worse happens to you. And believe because if

00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:28.779
you don't, you know, hell's there. And Jesus

00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:30.940
says in John, if anyone does not abide in me,

00:28:30.980 --> 00:28:35.529
he is thrown away and he burns. Bill, you know,

00:28:35.529 --> 00:28:38.329
Bill Weiss, we actually burn, John 15, 6. If

00:28:38.329 --> 00:28:41.029
a man doesn't abide in me. He is cast forth as

00:28:41.029 --> 00:28:43.930
a branch and withers. Man gather them and cast

00:28:43.930 --> 00:28:46.839
them into the fire where they're burned. This

00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:48.099
is not talking about trees, it's about human

00:28:48.099 --> 00:28:51.400
beings. So there's burning in hell. There's torture

00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:54.559
and judgment. And I believe I was allowed to

00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:57.339
see this, Phil, Sharon, experience temporarily

00:28:57.339 --> 00:29:01.039
what eternal separation from God feels like so

00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:03.680
we can get the word out. It's so important to

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:05.880
get the word out. And not more important, which

00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:08.480
is what Global Outpouring is doing. Nothing more

00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:13.200
important. Yeah. I was wondering if you had seen

00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.779
the cells because I've heard several testimonies

00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:19.500
of hell. And that's a thing that there's no fellowship

00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:23.240
there. Nobody is going to be in the cell with

00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:26.880
you except demons. And, you know, just how horrific,

00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:29.599
horrific that is. So then what happened to get

00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.400
you out of there? Yeah. So, well, I'm here, right?

00:29:33.099 --> 00:29:35.460
And the Lord showed me even heaven nine months

00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:38.839
later. So I believe in the power of intercession.

00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.880
So my mom had one Christian friend who was the

00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.920
mother of the guy that was selling the drugs

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.640
to me and with me. Oh, really? She was a Christian

00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.559
praying that I get saved and preach the gospel

00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.559
to her son and their drug selling friends. And

00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:55.500
that's exactly what happened. So she goes to

00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:58.559
Grace Ministries International. In Fullerton,

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.880
California, where later I became a high school

00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.460
pastor, got baptized. There's one local church.

00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.200
As you've heard, we planted 10 ,000 churches

00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.119
and baptized a million people. One local church.

00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.539
Everybody goes crazy when they meet the Holy

00:30:11.539 --> 00:30:16.119
Spirit and really learn the gospel. So they send

00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.420
their intercessors to the ER and they pray for

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:21.980
me for the entire eight -hour duration of this

00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:25.089
surgery. So when I opened my eyes and when I

00:30:25.089 --> 00:30:28.009
woke up, the operations room doctor at UC Irvine

00:30:28.009 --> 00:30:30.750
Medical Center here in Orange, he said, Steve,

00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.710
it's a miracle you're alive. When we were doing

00:30:32.710 --> 00:30:35.349
the surgery on you, your blood pressure kept

00:30:35.349 --> 00:30:37.269
dropping. Your heart rate was at like 10. We

00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:38.609
thought we were going to lose you. I had to do

00:30:38.609 --> 00:30:40.829
two operations. It's a miracle you're alive.

00:30:41.250 --> 00:30:44.509
And when I opened my eyes, in the ER with staples

00:30:44.509 --> 00:30:46.930
and tubes everywhere, I was surrounded by these

00:30:46.930 --> 00:30:49.369
intercessors from Grace Ministries International.

00:30:49.950 --> 00:30:53.309
And they led me to Jesus. Trust me, trust me,

00:30:53.329 --> 00:30:56.289
trust me. I said the sinner's prayer so many

00:30:56.289 --> 00:30:59.029
times when I opened my eyes. And before I opened

00:30:59.029 --> 00:31:02.150
my eyes, I did not see Jesus yet. I saw the Father's

00:31:02.150 --> 00:31:05.569
glory in the summer of the following year and

00:31:05.569 --> 00:31:07.829
got baptized in the Holy Spirit two months after

00:31:07.829 --> 00:31:11.230
I saw hell. But even then, the Lord spoke to

00:31:11.230 --> 00:31:12.789
me in a very still, small voice saying, it's

00:31:12.789 --> 00:31:15.210
going to be okay. And there's no more Buddhism

00:31:15.210 --> 00:31:17.170
or drugs for you. And at first, I didn't even

00:31:17.170 --> 00:31:20.529
know who it was. Because I never heard the voice

00:31:20.529 --> 00:31:22.470
of Jesus in my life. I always had Buddhist dreams.

00:31:22.569 --> 00:31:25.910
I always had monks flying and snakes in my dreams,

00:31:26.069 --> 00:31:27.930
right? Which the monks are like, that's a blessing.

00:31:28.049 --> 00:31:32.950
But hell no, that's not a blessing. So when I

00:31:32.950 --> 00:31:35.809
opened my eyes, I was so glad not to be in hell.

00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.220
You can't describe the joy I felt when I was

00:31:39.220 --> 00:31:41.799
in the ER. Even though I was tired, I opened

00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.240
my eyes. You're surrounded by strangers. I didn't

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.200
care. There was human beings talking to me. And

00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.160
I said the sinner's prayer 10 times that day

00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.779
and learned about Jesus. And I started telling

00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:54.019
everybody about Jesus the next day, like going

00:31:54.019 --> 00:32:00.319
forward. Wow. Wow. But did you just start walking

00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.160
with Jesus and obeying all the commandments and

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.640
obeying the word of God? Or did you kind of still

00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.750
live in the world? Yeah. I want to make it clear,

00:32:10.849 --> 00:32:13.109
like having an NDE does not make you born again.

00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.230
You got to be born again after having the NDE.

00:32:15.509 --> 00:32:18.950
For me, just because people see hell doesn't

00:32:18.950 --> 00:32:21.910
mean they automatically change. So, you know,

00:32:21.910 --> 00:32:24.809
Pastor Joe Sweet at Shekinah Worship Center,

00:32:24.930 --> 00:32:26.970
he's an amazing man of God. He says something

00:32:26.970 --> 00:32:29.970
very interesting in the Bible. He said, those

00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:34.059
whom God foreknew, he predestined. Not those

00:32:34.059 --> 00:32:37.660
who he predestined, he foreknew. He talks about

00:32:37.660 --> 00:32:40.140
how we have to respond. So even though I saw

00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.900
hell, I didn't automatically respond because

00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:45.140
I didn't know what a Christian is like. So after

00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:47.839
I got saved, excuse me, after I said the sinner's

00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:49.640
prayer, the hospital released me. I went back

00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.259
to my house and these Grace Church people would

00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:54.680
come to my house with Bible studies, brownies.

00:32:55.390 --> 00:32:57.609
love and just knock and come. And I was like,

00:32:57.650 --> 00:32:59.710
wow, I never had a visit from a Buddhist monk.

00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:02.289
These guys are awesome. Like, and there's a spending

00:33:02.289 --> 00:33:04.670
time. We're singing songs. I love every song

00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:06.529
we sang. I learned all these worship songs. I

00:33:06.529 --> 00:33:08.869
never sang amazing grace in my life. Maybe I

00:33:08.869 --> 00:33:11.990
did at a choir, but now it's for me. I'm singing

00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:14.569
like nothing but the blood of Jesus. Right. Right.

00:33:14.670 --> 00:33:17.069
You know, fight on with the devil. Like in Korean,

00:33:17.130 --> 00:33:25.930
it goes like this. Remember that song? So they're

00:33:25.930 --> 00:33:28.710
teaching about spiritual authority warfare. But

00:33:28.710 --> 00:33:31.410
the teaching, I don't blame them, but I was never

00:33:31.410 --> 00:33:33.549
a disciple to walk the narrow road of life. So

00:33:33.549 --> 00:33:35.849
I still wanted to party again. I still wanted

00:33:35.849 --> 00:33:38.529
to see what the world was like. So on Sunday,

00:33:38.690 --> 00:33:40.849
I'm sharing my testimony, but on Monday, I'm

00:33:40.849 --> 00:33:43.109
partying. And I don't think I was happy with

00:33:43.109 --> 00:33:45.089
that because I got into car accident after car

00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:49.000
accident that first year. where the fear of God

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:52.019
struck me, and I just had to stop partying. And

00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:55.119
the turning point, to be frank, for me was seeing

00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.460
heaven. So God showed me heaven in a dream, not

00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:00.359
in a near -death experience, but He showed me

00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.799
heaven nine months later, and it was just very

00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.460
biblical. I heard angels worshiping. I saw the

00:34:07.460 --> 00:34:10.599
Father's glory. I met the Father. He spoke to

00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.920
me a Bible verse, which was, Jesus Christ is

00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.599
my beloved Son, in whom I am all pleased. Listen

00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.489
to Him. Listen to him, listen to him, which is

00:34:19.489 --> 00:34:22.710
in the Bible. Exactly three out of the four gospels

00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:25.369
spoken four times because of the Mount Transfiguration.

00:34:25.510 --> 00:34:27.889
So I heard those words and I was like, whoa,

00:34:27.989 --> 00:34:30.849
I got to listen to Jesus. I got to listen to

00:34:30.849 --> 00:34:33.510
Jesus. I can't just know about him. I got to

00:34:33.510 --> 00:34:37.210
hear him and obey. So my parting days ended and

00:34:37.210 --> 00:34:39.949
I became a full time. I dropped out of school.

00:34:40.090 --> 00:34:41.969
I was like, the world doesn't need another attorney.

00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:44.139
They needed an evangelist. We got to tell the

00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:46.179
whole world about Jesus. And our church was already

00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:49.719
on fire for missions. Yes. 50 % of the budget

00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.920
went to missions. And they looked at me and they

00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.349
said, Steve, you're going to China. I was like,

00:34:54.409 --> 00:34:56.630
you mean like just visit? They're like, no, you're

00:34:56.630 --> 00:35:00.670
moving to China. Wow. Amen. So I moved to China

00:35:00.670 --> 00:35:04.010
in the year 2000 as a full -time missionary without

00:35:04.010 --> 00:35:06.550
any theological training. I just went with the

00:35:06.550 --> 00:35:09.980
missions team. And it was amazing, amazing. Sharon,

00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:11.940
it was amazing, Phil. It was just like the book

00:35:11.940 --> 00:35:15.039
of Acts. So it changed my life. It helped me

00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.940
a lot. So I want to hear more about what the

00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:22.260
Lord is doing through you and through the ministry

00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:25.159
that you're with. And tell us more about what

00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.539
God's doing in the nations and your vision for

00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:30.039
evangelism. I think we need to hear more about

00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:34.050
this because our heart. is that we contend for

00:35:34.050 --> 00:35:37.090
the outpouring, that we equip for the outpouring

00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:40.389
so that we can engage in the outpouring. So we

00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:43.650
know that the outpouring that's coming on all

00:35:43.650 --> 00:35:47.130
flesh that God promised in Joel 2 .28 is still

00:35:47.130 --> 00:35:50.269
coming. We're seeing like smatterings of it.

00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:54.269
Here's a whole move of God and a thousand people

00:35:54.269 --> 00:35:57.530
get baptized. And here's a move of God and disciples

00:35:57.530 --> 00:35:59.409
are coming up and they're going to the nations.

00:35:59.610 --> 00:36:03.730
Tell us more. about your vision and what you're

00:36:03.730 --> 00:36:06.349
seeing happening because you're seeing outpouring

00:36:06.349 --> 00:36:09.550
everywhere you go. Talk to us about that. Yeah,

00:36:09.630 --> 00:36:12.550
I do see outpouring everywhere I go because everywhere

00:36:12.550 --> 00:36:15.429
I go, there's hungry people for God. Like the

00:36:15.429 --> 00:36:17.230
Lord stopped sending me to religious churches.

00:36:17.309 --> 00:36:19.889
So everywhere I go, I'm just meeting. So people

00:36:19.889 --> 00:36:22.309
who invite me, including you guys, are already

00:36:22.309 --> 00:36:24.369
crazy people. Like they're already crazy for

00:36:24.369 --> 00:36:27.409
Jesus. Like lukewarm religious people think.

00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.940
Like they wouldn't invite me. So praise God because

00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:32.480
the Holy Spirit connects people. The Holy Spirit

00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.079
not only connects people, he fills people. He's

00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:37.500
the one opening the doors of the gospel. And

00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:40.420
even yesterday, we had a brother from Brazil

00:36:40.420 --> 00:36:43.559
named Sammy Rodriguez, who we're becoming friends

00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.139
with. He goes to Grace Church as well. He got

00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:49.000
sent by God to California to plant a church.

00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:51.500
And he was talking about the outpouring in Brazil,

00:36:51.619 --> 00:36:54.840
how he was just a young Christian. He met blind

00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.070
people. They all got healed. crippled people,

00:36:57.150 --> 00:36:59.289
they would get up. He would go to crusades and

00:36:59.289 --> 00:37:01.090
10 ,000 people would get filled with their spirit.

00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:03.829
And he was like, wow, Brazil had a season. Now

00:37:03.829 --> 00:37:07.369
I'm not saying like God has like season just

00:37:07.369 --> 00:37:10.110
for each nation, but there is a God appointed

00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:14.050
time for a location. And when the prayer is full,

00:37:14.190 --> 00:37:16.909
God just goes, we've seen it in Toronto. We've

00:37:16.909 --> 00:37:18.829
seen it, the Toronto appointment, the Lakeland

00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:21.409
revival, the list goes on. The Pyongyang revival

00:37:21.409 --> 00:37:24.199
of North Korea. That's when one elder repented

00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.599
in North Korea. Well, there was one Korea back

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.199
then. In 1907, 1908, the Pyongyang Revival happened

00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.000
when this elder got up and he repented. The whole

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.960
church repented. The Holy Spirit fell. And it

00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:37.739
was the birth of Christianity in South Korea.

00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:40.719
And after that, now like 30 % of the population

00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.300
goes to a Protestant church every Sunday, which

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:46.440
is amazing. And they sent out almost 100 ,000

00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.059
missionaries across the face of the earth. Now

00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:52.239
for me, my vision is, Just what the Lord told

00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.860
me to focus on. Because before I used to evangelize

00:37:54.860 --> 00:37:57.960
by myself. I used to go to all the doors, hand

00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.059
out tracts. But God said, multiply, make disciples,

00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.760
get the churches involved. So I would get in

00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.440
touch with churches. And usually they're already

00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:07.619
praying because the ones that don't pray, they

00:38:07.619 --> 00:38:08.880
don't want to evangelize. They're already too

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.099
busy with their programs. But the ones that were

00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:13.340
praying, they're like, yes, let's go evangelize

00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:17.239
together. So we would go evangelizing. Even yesterday

00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.579
from GMI, I go to a different church now with

00:38:19.579 --> 00:38:22.239
my wife called Unnuri All Nations. Even from

00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.440
there, the young people come to us and evangelize.

00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:27.500
At GMI, about 50 cause kids came. We're evangelizing.

00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.159
We saw a dozen people come to Jesus. And the

00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:34.440
urgency of the hour, the urgency of the hour

00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.699
is that the end time bridal army needs to be

00:38:37.699 --> 00:38:41.070
equipped, walking in their authority. and saving

00:38:41.070 --> 00:38:43.389
souls every day, not every week, not once a month,

00:38:43.469 --> 00:38:45.309
but every day, whether it's through a podcast

00:38:45.309 --> 00:38:48.829
or knocking on the door or prayer, the harvest

00:38:48.829 --> 00:38:51.090
is ripe. So the Lord showed me the harvest is

00:38:51.090 --> 00:38:52.869
so ripe because wherever I go, people are coming

00:38:52.869 --> 00:38:56.590
to Jesus. Gen Z, so Gen Z, check this out guys.

00:38:56.670 --> 00:38:59.690
So Gen Z, they experienced more pleasure than

00:38:59.690 --> 00:39:02.150
King Solomon did in one hour through TikTok.

00:39:02.389 --> 00:39:06.539
Did you get that? Wow. Each Gen Z person with

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:09.019
TikTok can experience more pleasure of the world

00:39:09.019 --> 00:39:11.559
in the flesh. than King Solomon did in a whole

00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.559
year, right? Click, click, click. They see a

00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.500
different video every 10 seconds, and then now

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.380
they're bored. So I've been meeting 13 -year

00:39:18.380 --> 00:39:19.960
-olds, 14 -year -olds, and this is how they talk.

00:39:20.059 --> 00:39:22.360
12 -year -olds, they say, they say, Pastor Steve,

00:39:22.460 --> 00:39:24.760
Brother Steve, these are 12 -year -olds. I've

00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.900
been there, done that. I went through fame and

00:39:26.900 --> 00:39:29.440
glory already. I tasted money. I don't want anything.

00:39:29.539 --> 00:39:31.099
I want Jesus. I was like, how old are you? I'm

00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:33.400
12. I was like, how did you experience all that?

00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:36.730
Online, offline, right? So right now the Lord

00:39:36.730 --> 00:39:38.929
is waking up Gen Z and they know their identity.

00:39:38.969 --> 00:39:41.710
They know Christ is coming back soon. Everyone

00:39:41.710 --> 00:39:45.030
that we're praying with at our small, so I founded

00:39:45.030 --> 00:39:47.130
a small missions organization called Revive the

00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:50.030
Nations. It kind of happened organically. The

00:39:50.030 --> 00:39:53.869
Lord spoke to me a few weeks before COVID broke

00:39:53.869 --> 00:39:56.250
out. And he said, get ready to pray on Zoom.

00:39:56.349 --> 00:39:59.690
And I was like, I hate Zoom. I hate staying online,

00:39:59.730 --> 00:40:02.170
but guys, get ready. And we started a Zoom prayer.

00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:05.059
Maybe three of us. Now there's like 30 of us

00:40:05.059 --> 00:40:07.639
from different nations, mostly pastors and ministers

00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.659
and people in training evangelists, 30, 40 of

00:40:10.659 --> 00:40:13.920
us. And the Lord said, get ready. And COVID broke

00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.940
out. And when that did, everybody had to pick

00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:20.760
a side. Are you going to be hot or lukewarm cold?

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.960
So I saw the division of the fake bride and the

00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:26.920
real bride. And people who were walking in the

00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:30.469
spirit became normal. were kind of shy about

00:40:30.469 --> 00:40:32.510
their dreams and testimonies, started gathering,

00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:36.050
sharing, and even in our little missions organization,

00:40:36.489 --> 00:40:38.989
everyone has a dream about the second coming

00:40:38.989 --> 00:40:42.469
of Jesus, the last day's harvest, the Antichrist

00:40:42.469 --> 00:40:45.070
government, the tsunami that's coming, earthquakes.

00:40:45.269 --> 00:40:47.829
They just know because God is pouring out His

00:40:47.829 --> 00:40:50.590
Spirit. Fathers will dream dreams and young men

00:40:50.590 --> 00:40:52.730
will see visions and your little kids will prophesy

00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:55.530
on my male and female service. I will pour out

00:40:55.530 --> 00:40:57.690
my Spirit in all flesh. We have a sister named

00:40:57.690 --> 00:41:00.309
Allie who's from Japan. She's married to a pastor.

00:41:00.369 --> 00:41:02.510
She came last night too. We pray every morning.

00:41:02.769 --> 00:41:05.349
She had a dream 10 years ago that she was preaching

00:41:05.349 --> 00:41:08.150
the gospel to all these people about to get killed

00:41:08.150 --> 00:41:11.210
by fire. And she was a non -believer. And when

00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:12.929
she joined the evangelism team, she was open

00:41:12.929 --> 00:41:15.690
and preaching. And she goes, Steve, this is the

00:41:15.690 --> 00:41:17.289
dream I had. I was preaching at this parking

00:41:17.289 --> 00:41:21.309
lot with you guys. And I had this dream 10 years

00:41:21.309 --> 00:41:23.989
ago as a non -Christian. So this is one example.

00:41:25.659 --> 00:41:29.360
The Lord is accelerating understanding and urgency

00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.539
and total commitment. So these Gen Z guys, like

00:41:32.539 --> 00:41:35.449
for example, my friends were evangelists in high

00:41:35.449 --> 00:41:37.050
schools. They said they've never seen a harvest

00:41:37.050 --> 00:41:40.090
like this. Glory to God. Kids know, like you

00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:42.070
just laugh, you smile at them for two hours,

00:41:42.110 --> 00:41:43.989
they get it. They go, ah, this guy is real. Ah,

00:41:44.110 --> 00:41:47.690
Jesus is real. And they want all that he has.

00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:50.429
There's no other agenda. They know end of all

00:41:50.429 --> 00:41:53.090
things is at hand. They know Christ has a better

00:41:53.090 --> 00:41:56.159
plan and God wants to use that. So I'm so excited

00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.179
because God's using AI technology. He's using

00:41:59.179 --> 00:42:01.119
fathers and mothers like you guys to prepare

00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:05.139
the next generation. And the hour is now. He's

00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:07.659
coming back soon. So every day I feel like revival.

00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:10.519
Every day for me is a dream come true because

00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.820
my dream like you is revival, salvation of souls.

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:15.699
Because we're going to be spending eternity with

00:42:15.699 --> 00:42:17.400
them in heaven. We've got to bring one more.

00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:22.599
Yes, yes. So talk to us about the idea of prayer

00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.389
and contending. for the move of God. So the idea

00:42:27.389 --> 00:42:30.030
of prayer is that without prayer, there is no

00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:34.329
revival. Amen. I like what Pastor Dean Sherman

00:42:34.329 --> 00:42:37.690
said, not Sherman, Dean Braxton. When we were

00:42:37.690 --> 00:42:39.929
spending time, he kept saying, I'm an intercessor,

00:42:39.989 --> 00:42:42.889
Steve. I'm not an events guy. I'm not a conference

00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:45.610
guy. I'm an intercessor. What is Jesus Christ

00:42:45.610 --> 00:42:47.190
doing right now at the right hand of the Father?

00:42:47.269 --> 00:42:51.010
He's praying. When I was a Buddhist, the craziest

00:42:51.010 --> 00:42:53.630
monks were praying to the wrong God. But if you

00:42:53.630 --> 00:42:55.789
look at the life of George Miller, D .L. Moody,

00:42:55.909 --> 00:42:59.389
Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, anyone that changed

00:42:59.389 --> 00:43:01.449
history, they spent two, three hours, no matter

00:43:01.449 --> 00:43:03.769
what denomination they're in, they spent hours

00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:06.530
in prayer. In our little ministry, we pray at

00:43:06.530 --> 00:43:07.989
least two hours a day. We used to pray three

00:43:07.989 --> 00:43:09.570
hours every morning before we started the day.

00:43:09.929 --> 00:43:11.889
Because if you pray one hour, you have this much

00:43:11.889 --> 00:43:15.150
anointing authority for that day. We need fresh

00:43:15.150 --> 00:43:18.530
fire. So for me, quality is important, but quantity

00:43:18.530 --> 00:43:21.269
is important. And we're not praying like, Buddhist

00:43:21.269 --> 00:43:23.389
monks, okay? I'm sorry. We're not just meditating

00:43:23.389 --> 00:43:26.909
like, Holy Spirit come. That's called you encountering

00:43:26.909 --> 00:43:29.750
God yourself. That's for quiet time. We're contending.

00:43:29.750 --> 00:43:32.369
We're like, Lord, help me. It can be loud or

00:43:32.369 --> 00:43:35.190
soft, but we're beating our hearts, praying high.

00:43:35.250 --> 00:43:37.230
His heart, praying high of India. His heart shifted

00:43:37.230 --> 00:43:39.969
to the middle of his chest cavity. He was breaking

00:43:39.969 --> 00:43:43.469
for the souls of India. Jesus, when he was on

00:43:43.469 --> 00:43:46.489
earth, he prayed with loud cries and tears. He

00:43:46.489 --> 00:43:49.099
was groaning and travailing. And he was hurt

00:43:49.099 --> 00:43:51.079
because of his reverent submission to the Father,

00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:54.099
Hebrews 5. So I see the early church, they were

00:43:54.099 --> 00:43:58.019
crying out. At GMI, they don't do Catholic church,

00:43:58.139 --> 00:44:00.519
Anglican church prayer. We were like, Jesus,

00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:04.360
Holy Spirit fall. We pray like the Quakers. We

00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:07.619
pray, you know, and you just got to cry out.

00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:09.559
You got to go for it. Now, when I was in the

00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.980
underground church in China, it was happening

00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:15.400
everywhere. About 100 million. people in China

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.320
believe in Jesus. So numerically, there's more

00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.559
Christians in China than America. I'm talking

00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.159
about born -again, sold -out believers. But they're

00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:23.679
always hiding. So when I went to the underground

00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:26.179
church in China, their prayer meetings were long

00:44:26.179 --> 00:44:30.099
and loud. Not only was it loud, but the soldiers

00:44:30.099 --> 00:44:32.400
would be around sometimes, so we would take pillows.

00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:39.320
So the sound gets muffled. But prayer is everything

00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.929
because God has to move. Without prayer, there

00:44:42.929 --> 00:44:46.570
is no move of God. So I believe prayer and contending

00:44:46.570 --> 00:44:50.329
comes before revival, during revival, and very

00:44:50.329 --> 00:44:54.409
importantly, after revival. Yes. And yes, I've

00:44:54.409 --> 00:44:57.150
done a lot of local church ministry to be now

00:44:57.150 --> 00:44:59.730
more of a full -time evangelist. But when I was

00:44:59.730 --> 00:45:02.369
a youth pastor, our ministries would grow by

00:45:02.369 --> 00:45:05.289
God's grace alone, like two, three fold. Sometimes

00:45:05.289 --> 00:45:08.329
he would have me just spend hours in the altar.

00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:11.280
And two weeks later, some random sister in our

00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.280
church would bring like 100 nonbelievers. This

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:16.900
is a true story. 100 nonbelievers from some club

00:45:16.900 --> 00:45:20.139
she was in. And the Lord said, I'm in charge

00:45:20.139 --> 00:45:25.090
of the harvest. I do the saving. I do the miracles.

00:45:25.690 --> 00:45:28.949
And I change sinners into saints. So, Steve,

00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:32.869
you pray. Pray by name. Pray by city. Pray by

00:45:32.869 --> 00:45:36.610
school. Pray by state, county, generation. Pray

00:45:36.610 --> 00:45:38.650
for the police officers. Pray for the soldiers.

00:45:38.730 --> 00:45:42.349
Pray for those in office. Pray for your neighborhood.

00:45:42.590 --> 00:45:45.929
And when you do that, you will see change regionally.

00:45:46.309 --> 00:45:48.969
And because usually, you know, there's demons

00:45:48.969 --> 00:45:51.809
and, you know, Ephesians 6, powers, rulers, principalities,

00:45:51.909 --> 00:45:55.070
hosts of wicked places that are causing drama

00:45:55.070 --> 00:45:59.050
and making believers sleep. So we have to fight

00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:01.150
and break through that. And that's when I've

00:46:01.150 --> 00:46:03.809
seen the harvest. And then when they get saved,

00:46:03.869 --> 00:46:06.090
we got to equip them with the word so they live

00:46:06.090 --> 00:46:10.730
holy lives. Yes. Yes. Talk to us about your equipping.

00:46:11.190 --> 00:46:14.269
Well, my equipping, well, I get discipled by

00:46:14.269 --> 00:46:17.389
some of the most amazing fathers in this generation.

00:46:17.610 --> 00:46:21.150
So what I learned is, yes, I do read the Bible

00:46:21.150 --> 00:46:23.949
on my own. I went to seminary, blah, blah, blah.

00:46:24.150 --> 00:46:26.349
But we need relationships. We need community.

00:46:26.449 --> 00:46:29.329
So I think equipping is all about. I'm running

00:46:29.329 --> 00:46:32.409
together. We don't have soul ties, but we need

00:46:32.409 --> 00:46:36.969
trustworthy, united, humble communities. So equipping

00:46:36.969 --> 00:46:40.710
is all about having healthy boundaries, but committing

00:46:40.710 --> 00:46:44.130
to fighting the fight together. So for me, not

00:46:44.130 --> 00:46:46.809
just like Pastor Joe Sweet or these Korean pastors,

00:46:47.210 --> 00:46:52.030
mentors, Timothy Oh, Pastor Han and GMI, even

00:46:52.030 --> 00:46:55.130
people my age who are doing ministry. And there's

00:46:55.130 --> 00:46:58.469
a pastor that I really like in South Korea. who

00:46:58.469 --> 00:47:00.489
they call him the saint of Korea. There's 55

00:47:00.489 --> 00:47:03.070
,000 churches in South Korea, partisan churches.

00:47:03.710 --> 00:47:06.889
And he was a doctor. So he had a hundred uncles

00:47:06.889 --> 00:47:09.530
and aunts, all pastors, father, grandpa. He was

00:47:09.530 --> 00:47:11.289
the only doctor because he saw fighting in the

00:47:11.289 --> 00:47:14.250
church. He's like, church can't be real. He meets

00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:17.710
Jesus. He rips his MD. He just lives with homeless

00:47:17.710 --> 00:47:21.349
people in Korea. And he taught us like the, how

00:47:21.349 --> 00:47:24.349
to really take up the cross. And I said, you

00:47:24.349 --> 00:47:26.730
know what? I need to. learn from people like

00:47:26.730 --> 00:47:29.309
this so i started listening to his message and

00:47:29.309 --> 00:47:32.690
i started to see like you know even the life

00:47:32.690 --> 00:47:35.829
after conference the need for purity the need

00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:39.170
for dying to self every day and how life is hard

00:47:39.170 --> 00:47:41.869
anyway so why that walk with jesus it's hard

00:47:41.869 --> 00:47:44.030
with christ it's hard without christ okay right

00:47:44.030 --> 00:47:48.949
so it's harder without christ yeah it's a little

00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:51.090
better though it's way better so and there's

00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:54.309
a reward so For me, equipping is about praying

00:47:54.309 --> 00:47:57.010
daily together, having a vision. But for me,

00:47:57.030 --> 00:48:00.650
the key word of the Bible, I believe the secret,

00:48:00.889 --> 00:48:03.010
the password, you know, we have passwords in

00:48:03.010 --> 00:48:05.429
our laptops and computers. The password for the

00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:09.090
Bible is nations. Once the nations came in, you

00:48:09.090 --> 00:48:11.170
know, I know you guys are amazing missionaries

00:48:11.170 --> 00:48:13.750
to so many nations. And we don't have to say

00:48:13.750 --> 00:48:15.630
all the countries, but you guys are doing amazing

00:48:15.630 --> 00:48:18.190
works in all the nations. And the nations is

00:48:18.190 --> 00:48:21.599
what sets the church on fire. And I'm talking

00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.280
about just overseas. I'm talking about the different

00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.199
people groups in our city. So for us, for the

00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.480
guys I disciple, you know, the ones that the

00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:31.880
Lord entrusted me during this season, I learned

00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.519
a lot from them too, by the way. I learned so

00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:35.699
much. They're already more crazy than me. That's

00:48:35.699 --> 00:48:38.519
why God sent them, right? I'm learning how to

00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:41.119
teach certain things, like how to die daily,

00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.420
how to serve. Like Pastor Dean Raxus said, if

00:48:44.420 --> 00:48:45.559
you don't want to serve, you're in the wrong

00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.789
organization. If you don't want to be martyred,

00:48:47.849 --> 00:48:49.769
you're in the wrong religion because most saints

00:48:49.769 --> 00:48:52.829
die. If you want glory here, you're in the wrong

00:48:52.829 --> 00:48:55.230
religion because you get glory in heaven. If

00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:57.150
you want to use Jesus, you're in the wrong religion

00:48:57.150 --> 00:49:00.489
because Jesus has to use you. So we're very about

00:49:00.489 --> 00:49:02.550
the cross because without the cross, there's

00:49:02.550 --> 00:49:05.050
no Christianity. Without death, there's no resurrection.

00:49:05.389 --> 00:49:07.550
Without the Holy Spirit, there's no fruit. So

00:49:07.550 --> 00:49:10.050
we believe in power, miracles, and missions,

00:49:10.150 --> 00:49:13.269
but also dying to self, having clean hands and

00:49:13.269 --> 00:49:15.570
pure hearts. A walking integrity. And if you

00:49:15.570 --> 00:49:18.030
fall, get right back up. Don't feel sorry for

00:49:18.030 --> 00:49:20.329
yourself. And having that heart free from offense

00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:23.150
of love and joy. And it's okay to celebrate.

00:49:23.289 --> 00:49:25.090
It's okay if no one knows what you're going through.

00:49:25.309 --> 00:49:29.230
So our constant teaching is narrow road. Just

00:49:29.230 --> 00:49:32.090
like the early church. And I know so many saints

00:49:32.090 --> 00:49:35.010
teach this and walk you way better than me. But

00:49:35.010 --> 00:49:37.250
we're learning every day. And we're so hopeful.

00:49:37.610 --> 00:49:40.929
Because Jesus Christ is the author and the perfect

00:49:40.929 --> 00:49:42.969
of our faith. And I always challenge them to.

00:49:43.469 --> 00:49:45.869
make disciples, evangelize, do things you haven't

00:49:45.869 --> 00:49:47.949
done before. So some of the guys, they don't

00:49:47.949 --> 00:49:49.869
like recording their testimony. We have grandmas

00:49:49.869 --> 00:49:52.190
in our group. I'm like, record your testimony.

00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:54.570
So some of them are recording. Some of them,

00:49:54.570 --> 00:49:56.789
they come to evangelize at 7 p .m. And these

00:49:56.789 --> 00:49:59.869
grandmas are scary. Once they grab a soul, they

00:49:59.869 --> 00:50:02.590
don't let go. Like, I let go. Like a big guy

00:50:02.590 --> 00:50:04.610
comes, I say, Jesus loves you. And he goes, get

00:50:04.610 --> 00:50:07.070
away. I get away. I go, sorry. These grandmas

00:50:07.070 --> 00:50:10.300
are like, how dare you? Repent, and then they're

00:50:10.300 --> 00:50:15.639
usually in the repenting. I love it. I love it.

00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.139
Oh, that's awesome. Such awesome testimonies.

00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:22.460
That is huge. I just have one more question.

00:50:22.699 --> 00:50:26.599
With your background in Buddhism, talk to us

00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:31.800
about how the New Age movement is really just

00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:35.639
kind of a remix. of Buddhism and Hinduism and

00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.719
that kind of thing? And are you seeing harvest

00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.659
among those people? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So it's the

00:50:40.659 --> 00:50:43.400
same spirit, right? New Age is nothing new, nothing

00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:45.119
new under the sun. They've been doing this stuff

00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.860
since Egypt, the days of Nimrod, Babylon, Egypt,

00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.480
all the same religion, right? We know the roots

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of it. It's Satanism and Lucifer created all

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the false religions. But what I notice as I study

00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.460
other religions in New Age, it is made by very

00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:03.320
smart people. Very smart people, made up, fabricated

00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:06.460
lies that contradict the teachings of Jesus,

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:09.119
the only son of God who can return us to paradise.

00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.260
So they're messing with Buddhism, New Age spirit,

00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.599
all the same. Familiar spirits, chakras, crystals,

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fortune telling, opening up portals, traveling,

00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:21.440
blah, blah, blah. They're all things that are

00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.300
taught in Buddhism as well. In Buddhism, they

00:51:23.300 --> 00:51:25.599
taught me how to read palms. They taught me how

00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.440
to read faces, how to see colors in people, in

00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.219
the spirit. how to breathe in chi and ask spirits

00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:34.699
for help. So their religion is this religion.

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It has different names, okay? Islam, Hinduism,

00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:42.199
Buddhism, Shanism, Jainism, Islamism. But Christianity

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is the only one with the most high God surrounded

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by his holy host of angels that really works

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without repercussions. So I've seen these people

00:51:51.219 --> 00:51:54.679
operate in power. I've seen them come to my house

00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.639
trying to threaten me after revival. They're

00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:58.559
like, we know who you are. I said, bring it on.

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Man, like God versus Elijah, I'm not scared.

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So they would run away. I've seen just so many

00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.380
counterfeit attacks in my dreams and visions

00:52:08.380 --> 00:52:10.659
and stuff, but they would always lose at the

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end. And Christ, I had dreams of like suffering

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and being attacked, but Jesus would come and

00:52:14.539 --> 00:52:17.119
scoop me away because he's our faithful shepherd.

00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:21.599
So some of these people in new age, Sharon are

00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.860
sheep of Christ. So God's going to get them.

00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:27.099
Absolutely. Many of them are coming out of new

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age. I met so many. So many souls coming out

00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:32.480
of New Asia and California and all the beaches

00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.559
here, right? Beaches and hippies living here,

00:52:34.699 --> 00:52:38.400
modern day hippies. They're coming out and experiencing

00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.699
Christ. And now they're sharing their testimonies.

00:52:40.699 --> 00:52:44.599
We have a few ex -witches in our group, ex -freemasons,

00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.360
ex -transgender, blah, blah, blah. And they all

00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:51.480
had very bad encounters with evil spirits, but

00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.860
God delivered them. But they did go through some

00:52:53.860 --> 00:52:57.320
major deliverance. Where they were like screaming,

00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.719
sweating, snot coming out, flying. And then they're

00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.500
like, oh, fine. Hey, what happened? And then

00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:05.380
they got filled with the Holy Ghost and now they're

00:53:05.380 --> 00:53:08.900
saving souls. So we have to get the word out.

00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.840
Amen. Amen. That's so encouraging. So, so encouraging.

00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.619
So what would you tell us first of all about

00:53:17.619 --> 00:53:19.920
your book and how people can get ahold of it?

00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.179
And do you have a website? Yeah, thank you. So

00:53:22.179 --> 00:53:24.889
this book, I didn't want to write it, but. My

00:53:24.889 --> 00:53:27.309
publisher kind of pushed me. Just kidding. So

00:53:27.309 --> 00:53:30.150
it's called Eight Hours in Hell. I did not come

00:53:30.150 --> 00:53:32.489
up with the name, but you can get it anywhere

00:53:32.489 --> 00:53:36.190
on Amazon and my website as well. The chapters

00:53:36.190 --> 00:53:38.789
on hell are only a few chapters. In this book,

00:53:38.789 --> 00:53:41.570
I go over the reality of hell, what other religions

00:53:41.570 --> 00:53:44.250
believe about hell. The false church teaches

00:53:44.250 --> 00:53:47.110
about, they try to say there is no hell because

00:53:47.110 --> 00:53:49.750
then we can live however we want. So that's a

00:53:49.750 --> 00:53:55.030
huge negative demon -inspired movement. saying

00:53:55.030 --> 00:53:57.690
there is no hell, I talk about that. But mainly

00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:01.389
the book is about walking and making sure you're

00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:03.570
going to heaven because there's just too much

00:54:03.570 --> 00:54:06.170
lukewarm, compromised gospel out there. We got

00:54:06.170 --> 00:54:08.550
to get the word back in. But you can get anywhere.

00:54:08.610 --> 00:54:14.610
My website is very simple, allnations, allnationsjc

00:54:14.610 --> 00:54:17.630
.org. So it's A -L -L -N -A -T -I -O -N -S -J

00:54:17.630 --> 00:54:20.010
-C .O -R -G. All right, now I'm a little bit

00:54:20.010 --> 00:54:22.429
active on Instagram. So my Instagram handle is

00:54:22.429 --> 00:54:26.590
just stevekang97. Good. That's tremendous. Would

00:54:26.590 --> 00:54:28.969
you pray for our listeners and viewers as we

00:54:28.969 --> 00:54:32.730
close? Yeah. And I want to pray for global outpouring

00:54:32.730 --> 00:54:34.989
because I believe it's going to touch many, many

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young people and the nations and all the listeners.

00:54:38.550 --> 00:54:42.070
I thank you, God, for your saints, my good friends,

00:54:42.130 --> 00:54:44.309
Phil and Sharon. It was such an honor to meet

00:54:44.309 --> 00:54:47.030
them, God, at the Life After Conference. They're

00:54:47.030 --> 00:54:49.949
finishing so strong, so faithful. There are thousands

00:54:49.949 --> 00:54:51.929
of listeners, God, on their YouTube channels

00:54:51.929 --> 00:54:55.139
and podcasts. that the Holy Spirit is sending.

00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.559
I pray that all the listeners of this particular

00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:03.110
podcast will be on fire to save souls. Yes. The

00:55:03.110 --> 00:55:05.590
doors of evangelism would open, that understanding

00:55:05.590 --> 00:55:08.250
would come, that you will fill them with a sense

00:55:08.250 --> 00:55:10.510
of urgency. You will give them your heart for

00:55:10.510 --> 00:55:13.550
souls. Seeing good in people, seeing potential

00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:17.070
in people, seeing their hunger. Like some missionaries

00:55:17.070 --> 00:55:19.349
said, Father God, that they will see Christ in

00:55:19.349 --> 00:55:21.650
the eyes of the souls that they were preaching

00:55:21.650 --> 00:55:25.119
the gospel to. So we thank you for global outpouring.

00:55:25.300 --> 00:55:28.199
Let there be a global outpouring in these last

00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:31.239
days of your spirit to bring one more back to

00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:34.199
Jesus. Only one life, it will soon be passed.

00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:38.099
Only what's done for Christ will last. We thank

00:55:38.099 --> 00:55:40.099
you for the cloud of witnesses surrounding this

00:55:40.099 --> 00:55:43.099
show. We thank you, God, that heaven is watching.

00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:46.920
We pray you to help the health, the mind, the

00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.059
time, the schedule of your servants, Sharon and

00:55:50.059 --> 00:55:53.599
Phil, as they travel. and go to the nations,

00:55:53.619 --> 00:55:56.519
God, to save this generation. We give you all

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the glory, Father. And in Jesus' mighty name

00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:05.000
we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much.

00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:12.849
What a pleasure to have you with us. If you enjoyed

00:56:12.849 --> 00:56:15.929
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00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.340
Buss. And I'm Philip Buss. God bless you with

00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:47.239
His overwhelming, loving presence.