(320) Q&A with Dean Braxton Pt. 1: What Happens When You Die, Families in Heaven, and Much More!

0:00 And here I am when I'm going through this and the air is not coming in my body and I am suffocating. And the very thing that I didn't want to experience, I was experiencing. All of a sudden, what rose up on the inside of me were these words, I'm going home. And joy, peace, comfort came all over me. It wasn't just that it was in my heart. I feel my entire being, my toes were happy we were going home. I'm serious, you guys. Everything about me was so excited because I was going home. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out his spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss.

0:50 And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. This is something we've never done before. One of our favorite listeners, Matthew Reams, he's also one of our favorite guests on this podcast. He made a suggestion for our convention that when we do Q &A with Dean Braxton, that we turn it into a podcast. Because everybody loves Q &A with Dean Braxton. So that's what we've done. So this is the first part of that. And we know you're going to enjoy it. And we look forward to hearing your reactions. Please give us some feedback because this is an opportunity that we don't usually have to mix. our convention with our podcast. So we're really excited about it. And very few people have the opportunity to talk to Dean one -on -one on what he saw in heaven. Yes. And we had interaction with the audience too. So you're going to love this. So thanks for tuning in. We are so excited about this episode. This is going to be something really different, and we hope that you'll enjoy it very much. Before we get started, though, we want to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, to go to our website, globaloutpouring .net, and make sure that you're on our mailing list.

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2:59 And if he leads you to help us with getting this word out to the nations, this is our mission field at the moment. We love to travel in the nations. You know, we're always open for invitations, too, if you want us to come to your place. We're going to be traveling some this summer. In July, we'll be in Michigan, and in August, we'll be in Florida. So if you're in any of those places or on the way from Arkansas to any of those places and you'd like us to stop by, let us know. Just write to us at feedback at globaloutpouring .org, and we'll see what the Holy Spirit leads. Now, enjoy this Q &A with Dean Braxton. So we are here this afternoon to do Q &A, question and answer with Dean Braxton. And I'm so excited.

3:47 This is one of my favorite things to do because I sneak in some of my questions too. But there's an awful lot of them here right now. So we'll see. So thank you so much for joining us for this. And thank you for the wonderful message that you gave this morning. That was powerful. And we're all stepping into something greater. Greater heavenly authority, right? So if you were not watching or if you were watching and you need to see it again, go to our YouTube channel to watch the message that our brother Dean gave this morning. And it was really powerful. So we have a basket full of questions and I'm just going to pick them randomly. So dear Dean. In an encounter with Jesus, I saw a storehouse made of glass packed to the ceilings with things we use on the planet. How do I access those things for use here on earth? You know, for me to try to come up with a formula on someone else's responsibility, that's between them and God. There you go. I mean, and so they need to really ask him what they need to do to get there. Everybody's a bit different. You know, because God's going to treat us all as individuals. When I was in heaven, I always tell people there is no number two.

5:09 Everybody's number one. Okay. Sometimes I think we have an idea of earthly idea that we have to stand in line to be in front of Jesus. No, you don't. And someone says, well, how can that be? You know, he's God. And right now he's talking to each and everybody in this room. Like you're the only one he's talking to. The same thing is with anything that we want to know personally, we can go just directly to him. Now, what happens sometimes is I think we don't like hearing the answer of how to get that there. You know, I said this last night, and I'll say it right now. We're to follow him. To access those things is to follow Jesus. And I know a lot of us say we're following him, and then we come up with our criteria.

5:58 what we won't do. I'll give you a good testimony. When I got into the public schools in California, it was a unique situation. I think you've heard this before. My father was passing away. He was leaving the planet. And I was at his house and I was taking care of him. And one day I thought I heard him make a noise. So I jumped up out of the room I was in and was running down the hallway. And I was going to, you know, go into his room. And I heard the Lord say audibly to me, I want California. I heard it. Okay. And I stopped in the middle of the hallway and I looked up and I said, how can I help? Do you hear what I'm saying? Yes. And that's when the schools opened up for me in California now. I do, you know, in the Sacramento area. I've done a number of schools. I've shared, you know, this story. And it wasn't. I got this great testimony, God. I could use it for you. You understand what I mean? It was, how can I help? And the next thing I know, the schools are open for me. And Ricky can tell you, you know, he goes with me in those schools. And they're not closed. And more schools are open for me all through California.

7:13 And now because of that, it's opened up in the United States. So I'm just sharing that with you because I think we've got to realize we can go to him and ask him, what? We have to do to get where he wants us to get there. But we have to be willing. And I get so sad because we come up with criteria, you guys. Yeah, we just do. I won't do this. I won't do that. I won't go here. I won't do this. Instead of just saying, okay, God, wherever you send me, I will go. You know, you know what I'm talking about. And sometimes he sends you to places. Yeah, it might be. But he also equips you. with the things that you want from heaven to be able to be there. So someone's saying they can't get that. That might be, personally, you're not going where he wants you to go. Yeah, and lots of times the thing that you want least to do is the place where he wants you to go.

8:05 Yeah, and most people don't realize, you may at that moment have the desire, I at least want to do that. But when you get there, you're so glad you did it. Yeah. It changes so much. Like, I am so glad I'm here. Yeah. Isn't that a little bit too about what you experienced because you had a traumatic experience as a child that you didn't want to drown. Yes. And here you are about to drown. Yeah. And what she was talking about is when I was about five or six years old, I jumped into a pool of water and I drowned almost, you know, I lost the lost air in my body. So I, whether I, told anybody or not, I was terrified of suffocating. That was the number one way I did not want to die on the planet. And I don't know about anybody else. I would go to God and say, if I'm going to die, don't let it be suffocation.

9:00 And it wasn't during the time I was dying. And I remind him every once in a while, no, if I'm going to die, don't let it be. And here I am when I'm going through this and the air is not coming in my body and I am suffocating. And the very thing that I didn't want to experience, I was experiencing. But I just remember, you guys, it's so, to this day, so vivid to me, so real to me. All of a sudden, what rose up on the inside of me were these words, I'm going home. And joy, peace, comfort came all over me. Yes. It wasn't just that it was in my heart. Filled my entire being. My toes were happy we were going home. I'm serious, you guys. Everything about me was so excited because I was going home.

9:47 But for me, suffocation was the one way I did not want to leave the planet. And yet, the number one way I left the planet is suffocation. But think about this. You probably had a fear. Of suffocation. But the perfect love of God that came up inside of you to say, I'm going home. That perfect love cast out that fear. It cast out that fear, yeah. Hallelujah. So we don't have to be afraid of where it is that God's going to send us. Even if we think that's the place I don't want to go or that's the people group I want nothing to do with. Please don't make me go there. You know, like the grandmother that did not like bikers. And God sent her bikers and she was ministering to them. That is cool.

10:33 The bottom line is that, and one of the things we do, we think humbling ourselves is to resist something sometimes. And it's really being in rebellion. And rebellion is a witchcraft. Come on. You know, you're moving yourself into the dark side. It's true. You might as well just go along with what he says and move in that direction. Because rebellion is witchcraft, you guys. That's what the Bible says. That's right. And I kind of make it black and white because in heaven it is black and white. There is no gray areas. We throw gray areas in there. But there is no gray area in heaven. You're either for Jesus or you're not. So is there actually black in heaven? No, there's no darkness at all. I didn't think so. And most of us, that's a heavy one because it gets all into the universe and darkness and some people like stars and all that stuff.

11:23 And I always tell people, You're going to enjoy things in heaven. If there's joy that you get out of something that's good, not bad, but it's good, it's going to be there in heaven. It's just going to be different. You're not going to lose the joy. It's the joy. It's like people that love to eat. Most of us love the taste of food or certain food. All right? And someone may have asked this question, is there food in heaven? There's no food in heaven, you guys. See, you're getting disappointed because your taste buds are getting disappointed. You know, your stomach ain't getting disappointed. Your taste buds are getting disappointed. The Bible says it in the scriptures. It says it in 2 Corinthians that God will do away with food and his stomach.

12:05 It says it. It says it, you guys, in the Bible. All right? And you say, what do you live off? You live off praising Jesus. When I was praising Jesus, I came to understand what Jesus meant when he said, I have food that you know not of. Amen. The praise, you guys. Think about how full you get when you really praise Jesus. You know? So the banquet is a banquet, but it doesn't say it has food there. We think it has food there because of the banquet. Most of the time, most of us don't realize when we're together, we're fellowshipping. Yeah, that's true. Okay? So I say that because the scripture says, I tell you what I experience, and then I always tell you 99 % of everything I experience is in the word of God. Okay? So I share that with you because I want you to understand something. Okay? You'll still get the joy of like you're eating, but it'll come a different way. All right. The joy.

13:01 You like chocolate cake? Someone always says, I like chocolate. I want chocolate. Well, you can still have chocolate. The joy you get from it, it's just going to come different. That's not to say there's no taste in heaven. Yeah, there's a taste in heaven. Yeah. There's a taste. But I'm just saying that to you because we must have to bring it up because people are probably going to ask that question. But the reality of it is that, you guys, you think about what do you need? God sustains everything. It would be that way on the planet if we didn't have sin that came in and started destroying things and we started deteriorating. You understand what I mean? God provided for Adam and Eve everything they needed. And it wasn't we're all meat. It was plants. It's true. Well, in heaven, you don't have to eat the plants because they're alive and they'll talk to you if you start chopping them. Because everything in heaven is alive.

14:01 There's nothing dead. Nehemiah 9, 6 says, man, I got to read that scripture because it's such a good scripture to me. It kind of like takes everything and puts it in perspective of God and who he is. So let me read this Nehemiah 9 to you guys. And then I'll read the one about the food because I usually like to give out scripture. And the main reason not to prove I'm right, I always tell people my rightness don't get you anywhere. Jesus does. You know, he has to be right. But I like to bring out the scripture because that way you can go back and read it and God can even show you more. He wants you to know more. Okay. And so that's why I bring up scripture. But Nehemiah 9. Where are you at? I know you're here. There you are. 96 says, you alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, along with all their multitudes of stars, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that's in them. You impart life to them all, and the multitudes of heaven worship you. Everything's alive, intelligent. And some of you say, well, I don't believe that. That's okay. As long as you know Jesus, you still get to go. And when you get there, you're going to act like you always do it. You're not going to have your flesh to battle with. That's wonderful.

15:20 It's not going to try, you know, this can't really be real. This ain't real. In heaven, you got just the Holy Spirit in you and that's it. Is that good news? That is good news. No doubt. There's no doubt. Let me get you this food one because someone, I know this is, the people are, oh man, I'm not going to be able to eat. I'm starving. Sound like the Israelites that you were talking about yesterday, huh? I'm on a diet. Yeah, so this is what it says. First Corinthians 6, 13. Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food. However. God will do away with both of them. Well, there you go. I'm just telling you, you know, it was you think about going to heaven and you see this and you experience this the way I experienced it. And then you come back to the planet and you don't know these scriptures are in there. Do you understand what I mean?

16:15 You don't know where they're at, and yet you know you experience what you experience. And then you start reading your Bible because I'm a Bible reader, and then all of a sudden, there it is. You get it? It was so freeing to see this scripture. I know for you that want to have food in heaven. You know what I mean? That's a whole different story. There's truth in the Bible in all areas. And sometimes it'll talk about a different subject and it'll bring in the truth. It's just like most of us don't realize that we're born again. We never die. Our body dies. You know what I mean? We leave our body and then our body dies. The scripture reference that I found that in was found in... Faith without works is dead, just like the body is dead without the spirit.

16:58 When I read that for the first time, I remember thinking to myself, that means your spirit has to leave first before your body could die. Okay? That's what it means. That's the truth. And I really believe that me and Sharon talked about the people. I believe the people that wrote the Bible, some of them believe we already knew the foundation of some things. Do you understand what I mean? And they expected us to know this already, that, you know, your spirit leads first. Because here we are in Genesis, the second chapter, and we find out that when God was creating Adam at the time, the man, he literally had to breathe into him a spirit before it became alive. I mean, right there at the beginning, second chapter tells you, you can't be alive unless you have a spirit on the inside of you. It's true. So what does that mean? The spirit got to leave for you to be able to die. One of the things I love the most is when people bring up to me and say, but what about when it said the trumpet would sound and the dead in Christ would rise first? You know that scripture there? And everyone says, well, the word dead, if you look at it in the sense of how the Greeks put it in, it means you cannot be dead unless your spirit and your soul is gone. It has to go before you can be referred to as being dead. Is that interesting, you guys? Mm -hmm. You know, I'm just bringing it out. It's in the Word. So, and it's not to

18:29 prove that I'm right. Like I told you, my rightness don't get you in, Jesus does. It's to give you the Scripture so you can go back and read it. And if you read it, God will show you even more. He wants you to know. Is that good news? Amen. James 3, 17, which is... You know, faith without works is dead. I always used to. I don't know about you guys. That was the scripture. Faith without works is dead. And then here comes the truth. Just like the body is dead without the spirit. Is that cool? Is that cool? Yeah. Yeah. That is so good. And I've heard you talk about. sometimes people are struggling at the very last.

19:10 And maybe their spirit left already. Oh, yeah, yeah. And their body is just... It's just their body struggling without the spirit. It's like a car that's ran out of gas and just going on the fumes. Okay? Us that are born again that know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, Jesus said that's what he came to do. Yeah. Okay. He died on that cross. Hebrews, the second chapter, I believe it's the ninth verse, says that when he died on that cross, he died our death. And when he died our death, that's our physical death also, so that we don't have to go through the pain of the suffering. That's why Paul said, where is your sting, O death? Mm -hmm. Okay. That's what he meant there. So in reality, you that are born again, you will never experience the sting of death because Jesus Christ, however, experienced it when i suffocated i can't tell you what it's like to suffocate because jesus christ had already suffocated for me so i didn't have to go through the suffocation um painfulness that it would usually cause because he already did it i just left my body now my body went through it do you understand i mean but i was gone you know where this was where i found this out because you got to understand this was not my belief system and i'm knowing that i left my body before uh you know it died but i left i knew it okay and i thought to myself i don't have any connection to what it was like to really die even that book i wrote out there says what what is this like

20:42 to die the reality i'm telling you i never died you'd be in the book okay that's what i'm really saying because i was born again and i was watching this movie with these guys at a man's retreat and in the movie These missionaries had gone to Ecuador. If you ever know the story of Ecuador, it's called the end of the sphere. You ever heard of the end of the sphere? Yes. And the native was talking to the son when he was older of how he killed his dad. And he said, as I went to stab him, he jumped the boa. He said he jumped the boa. That's what he said. Well, to them, the jump the boa meant they went into the other life. Do you understand what I mean? So he saw his spirit leave before the spear hit him. Wow.

21:26 And I said, that's it, that's it. That's what happened to me. I left my body and then it died. Yeah, even before the man was attacked. Even before the man was attacked. Yeah. Okay. And a friend of mine, Ron, I was with John, what's his name? I can't think of his name. The guy that wrote Imagine Heaven. John Burke. He is a friend of mine. I do know his name most of the time. I'm saying that so that he knows. But me, John Burke had asked me and Randy K and a guy named Jim and Ron and a number of other people to come and he was doing some stuff with us.

22:09 And we were all sitting around the table talking about how we died. You know what I mean? How we left the planet. Okay. And laughing and having a good time. Really, we were, you know, like... Any other subject you guys are at. And one of the things I like is me, Cortina, and Randy K, we had all medical issues. So we were talking about how we left the planet in that way. And then all of a sudden, Jim, he talked about it because he died in a plane crash. The plane went down and he died in the plane crash. And he was talking about how he left the body before it happened. And then Ron, I think this guy named Ron, he's an older guy, 87 years old. And he had been stabbed to death. Someone came into his house in San Francisco and stabbed him to death. And he said, I didn't feel the stabs going in me. You know what I mean? He said, I left before I felt anything. Glory to God. Is that God or is that God, you guys? Yes. And I've had people that have had accidents where they died and they were in that area where they were going to the light or they were leaving their body, going that area, and they chose to come back in. They didn't feel the pain until they came back into their body. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But that's what God has given us, you know, us that are born again, so that we leave our body or our body dies, but we never do. Is that good news? Yes. I think. Can I tell you what I think it is? Of course. So some of us that are called into dangerous areas can go into those dangerous areas knowing that whatever the affliction is going to be, we're not going to experience it. Amen. I was in Chicago a few years

23:43 ago, and I was talking to these people. that were Ninevites. You know, Ninevites, they're still around. There's still people that, you know, are Ninevites, you know. And I was talking... That's Jonah and Nineveh? John and Nineveh, yeah. And I was talking to them, and they were sharing with me all about their lives and things like that. And one of the things that was telling, to this day, they still celebrate when Jonah came into their country. They call it Bacala, and it's a national holiday for Ninevites, you guys. They celebrate to this day. But they were telling me about how most of them became Christians after they heard about Jesus Christ. They repented way back then, and they stayed repentant. And then when they heard about Jesus, they became Christians. You guys hear what I just said? That's great. They were following God. When that 120 ,000 in Nineveh turned to the Lord, it was passed on generation after generation after generation.

24:39 Beautiful. They were telling me this, and then they were telling me how they had to get out of their country over there, the Syria area, and how they had to come to the United States. But they said the strong ones stayed. This is what they said to me, the strong ones stayed. And there were certain ones that stayed there so that they could minister to ISIS. Oh, yeah. They stayed. They stayed on purpose so that they could share the gospel to the people that were ISIS. You understand what I mean? And when they were saying it to me, they said, and the strong will stay. Like, that's normal. You know, that's the way we Christians act. That's the way it should be. You know what I mean? That we would put ourselves into that position that even if we're going to get killed, we're going to share the gospel. Do you understand? Beautiful. And I kind of like, yeah, yeah. I didn't want to tell them that we don't act that way. You know what I mean? And so then they told me that we had seen all these Christians getting beheaded.

25:40 Remember that? Yes. Do you remember? Those were Ninevites. There were the strong ones that stayed to share the gospel. Wow. And I thought, Lord. But they knew something. And I know something. Before the blade hit their neck, they were gone. Glory to God. Isn't that comforting? Yes. That is so comforting. There's more stories I could tell you. Sure. You think about the tragic deaths. Yeah. And if you know Jesus. You leave. You're gone before the tragedy hits. And you don't have to grieve like that. And I know some of you are saying, well, I was there when they breathed their last. What you saw is their body struggling without their spirit. They were gone. Yeah. And it doesn't take that long to get there. To be absent the body, to be in the presence of the Lord. Faster than you can blink, you're there.

26:33 By the time someone's saying they died, they've already been there. Been there a while, too. Wow. Is that good news? That is tremendous. And I've had several people tell me. I remember this one lady, the first time she told me, she said, I was upstairs and my husband had a heart attack. And he was mowing the grass and he had a heart attack. And she said, I saw his spirit leave. Wow. That's what she said. And she said, when I got in the ambulance, I looked and they said, and I said, he's gone. He's gone. And then she was talking to her daughter. Her daughter was downstairs and saw the very same thing. Wow. So both of them saw, the daughter saw her dad's spirit lead and she saw her husband's spirit lead before, you know, they pronounced it dead.

27:18 Is that cool? I think it's cool. I think it's cool. Yeah. Everybody agree? That's cool. Yeah. Hallelujah. All right. Should we take another one? Yeah, let's take another one. Tell us more about the throne room and about the stones and color and meaning and function. Wow. You know, we put a lot of emphasis on the throne room. In heaven, there's not a lot of emphasis on the throne room. There's a lot of emphasis on who sits on the throne. That's good. Okay. The throne room doesn't heal you. It doesn't save you. It can't help you. Do you understand what I mean?

28:02 But the one that sits on the throne is the one that can do all those things. Beautiful. All right. So a lot of times in heaven, I had to readjust when I got back to the planet so that you guys would like me. Seriously, I was not the best person to be here when I first came back. Ask my wife and my children. Were you cranky? This is what I was. I wanted people to be born again and know Jesus Christ so bad. I wanted everybody on this planet to go to heaven. There was not one person I didn't want to go to heaven.

28:42 And I knew that we had work to do. And so my daughter said this to me. My son said this to me. My wife said this to me. When they came into the room to comfort me, I would say, what are you doing here? We got work to do. I was more concerned with the people out there than I was where I was at that moment. So I was very, very, very focused on getting the word out to anybody. You go to heaven and see if you don't come back more focused. I'm serious. Okay. You find out that everything on the planet is falling apart. It's dissolving. The chair is dissolving. So now you have to readjust how you look at things because everybody else looks at it. Oh, this is a chair. It's going to be around. You're thinking eternal. You're not thinking temporal. Eternal.

29:28 Where's that chair going to be, you know, 100 years from now? You know, where's this building going to be? It's already falling apart. Where's it going to be 100 years from now? You start thinking eternal. Everything is eternal thinking. And in heaven, because everything is new every moment. You want to know why you like newness? You were created for newness. Oh, that's so good. That's your natural environment to have something being new every moment. Is that good news? So go back to the throne because I want to make sure. So no one's really looking at that, those things. We emphasize it here on the planet. You know, we say we're in the throne room. We say this, we say that. But it's really not the throne room that you want to be in. It's the father you want to be with. That's good. Is that good news? Oh, yeah. And so that's the mentality there.

30:21 It's all about Jesus and the Father. And where's the Holy Spirit? He's on the inside of you to help you to make sure it's all about Jesus and the Father. Where's the Holy Spirit here? He's on the inside of you to make it what? Sure, it's all about Jesus and the Father. And that's to throw out the excuses. You always have the Holy Spirit that wants to praise God. Yes. Your flesh doesn't want to do it. Your feet may not even want to move at the moment. But your spirit. And the spirit on the inside of your spirit always wants to praise the Father. That's so good. Some of you got to grab that. I think today when we were talking about authority and you understand that your authority is really heavenly authority. Okay, you have earthly authority. You have that naturally because you were just born on the planet.

31:03 But you have heavenly authority because of what Jesus Christ did. Amen. So you can operate in that heavenly authority. You're not battling the physical things you're battling. You're battling the spiritual things. You've got to go to the spiritual first. Spiritual first. Want me to say it one more time? Spiritual first. Okay? It will come into the temporal realm, I call it. You guys call it the natural and the supernatural. I call it the temporal and the eternal. That's good. Because the Bible says it's not what you see. You know, that will laugh. It's what you don't see that's eternal. And that's true. And that's who we are. We're created for the eternal realm. Is that good news? That's good news. And most of you, when you fall asleep or get ready to go to sleep or you sleep, you enter into that realm whether you realize it or not. And that's because your flesh don't have a say -so anymore.

32:02 Wow. Yeah. You experience probably more in that realm when you're asleep than you realize. Wow. You know what I'm talking about? God gets through his message a lot of times. So when you talk about the throne room and entering the throne room, it's really, let's don't stop at the throne room. It's the person sitting on the throne that we have access to. You can go what? Boldly? Yes. To the throne of what? Grace. You have the ability to go directly to the person. In heaven, I came to understand we, his, really we're offspring. I say sons and daughters because it sounds good, you know. But in the Bible, we're really his offspring. That's what it's called, okay? Is that right? Okay. And we refer to him always as father. We're the only creation that he has that refers to him as father. Is that cool? Is that cool? And what is everything else calling?

33:01 Everything else in heaven calls him the Word. They refer to him as the Word. That was an eye -opener for me when you told us that. But we refer to him as Father. And I say that so that you understand the connection you can have with him that not everything else in heaven can have. The angels can't call him Father. That's amazing. We can call him Father. Do you know why? Because we're as what? We were made in what? His image. Is that good news? And when you come to understand it, that's because in heaven, you're not going to, you're not going to say God almighty. You're going to say father. You're going to say father.

33:43 You're going to say father. Beautiful. And he's, and he's going to say, and I say that it really says, I'm just going to use you as an example. Okay. He's going to say, this is my daughter. You know? When I was there, I'm getting back to the throne. But when I was there, I was looking at the father. And he said to me, I will take care of my daughter. Talk about my wife. He didn't refer to her as my wife. He referred to her as his daughter. That is so good. I say that to the man because you've got to understand, you're messing with his daughter. You've got to treat his daughter right. That is so good. My friend Rick over there, I told you, he does a lot of the teaching and stuff, and he looks up things.

34:32 And we were looking at that scripture. What is the scripture? Proverbs 18, 12, which was? A man that finds a wife finds a good thing. And so he looked it up. He broke down all the words, all the Hebrew words and everything. And this is what it comes up to. If you take care of my daughter, I will provide the resources. Ooh, that is so good. I always want to say to any man, you want to be rich? Take care of his daughter. That is so good. That is so. And then I get to men say, what about me? What about me? But the reality of it is that's what this scripture really means. You take care of my daughter. What's that Proverbs? 1820. See, I got him as a lifeline over there right now. So the rest of that question about the throne room was about the colors and the stones. The stones. Yeah. There's a number of ways I can go with that. Which way would you like me to go? We've talked about the stones and the beautiful. We have. Okay. We have. So we just send people to the podcast? Yeah, we should. My favorite, I'll tell you. Can I tell you? Can I tell you? My favorite is that I came to understand that every family has a color.

36:00 Yeah. Every family has a color. Now, if you've been listening to our podcast, you would know that already. And the scripture references I use is talking about when we talk about the children of Israel and we talk about the breastplate and how on the breastplate is all these different jewels. And every jewel, every color represents a different tribe. Do you understand what I mean? So when you get to heaven, you're going to know your family not only by just knowing, but because of the color. Because in heaven, really, families are called to serve. As families. You know, we were talking about how we are priests. We talked about that earlier. You know, we are really priests on this planet. Well, what we have as example is that when the Levites were called into the temple to serve, they were called into the temple to serve as family. Not as individuals. Come on. As family. So when you get to heaven, you're going to be serving with your family. I know some of you just said, oh, you don't know how bad my family is. But everything's right. There's nothing wrong. I always tell people, when you get to heaven, you get to experience family the way God really wanted you to experience it. And all those issues that you have in family now, you don't have no more. Hallelujah. It's not that you don't remember them. They don't exist.

37:25 There's no way to even go back and grab them and bring them up and say, hey, I remember when. It does not exist. Okay. So when she's talking about the stones and they are representing different families that are serving around God at that moment. Beautiful. Is that good news? Yes. You know, and they change. See, we think it's like a still picture and we took the picture and then all of a sudden that's the way it is always. No. Everything's alive. Things are changing all the time. Do you understand? We got a snapshot. That's all we got at that moment. Is that good news? Yes. The stones can change. Individually, they can change. And really, it's representing families serving at that moment. So the stones will change and different families will come and serve in that moment. Is that cool? Your family will have it. I don't know how the rotation goes. You understand what I mean? But no one's jealous about the rotation. You know, they get it last week. How they get it this week? Why do you call them up this week? No one's over it. You know what I mean? We're just glad we're there serving period. Is that good news? That's good news. So families, that's what that's all about when that goes on there. Beautiful. You guys got me digging into the area. Because people,

38:59 no one's ever asked why those stones are there. Okay. You know, one of the people that had a stone and he messed up was Lucifer. That's right. You know what I mean? He mooned among the fiery stones of God. Okay. And he messed up. Okay. And those stones were on top of his head. I always say he moved among the thoughts of God. Then he said, I want to be God. So that's a whole different story. It takes about eight hours to teach, so we ain't doing that. You've been there, you know. Yes. And it's a good teaching. Are you ready for another one? Yeah. Okay. What did you see and learn in heaven concerning Israel and what's happening now in Israel? You know, I think the biggest thing about... Israel that I learned in the first person that really dug this out was Sid Roth when I was on the show years ago. It's the prodigal son and the son and, you know, God is calling. The prodigal son was coming home. Okay. But the son that's always been home is still kind of rejecting the prodigal son. Right. Do you understand what I'm talking about? The prodigal son is coming home. And really how the prodigal son is coming home, to be honest with you, one of the things Jesus said is they don't celebrate me enough. That's what he said.

40:23 And if you think about when it comes to the children of Israel, they had celebration after celebration after celebration. Even this time was a celebration. And we at the most will squeeze into celebrations. It's called Easter and Christmas. And both of those are kind of being taken over. And I know that the people that started them way back then was trying to group in other groups so they could celebrate them. But the reality of it is that, you guys, they were still celebrating Jesus. Yes. Do you guys hear me? Yes. And people make all kinds. We did a podcast about that. We only have two celebrations. But if you think about the children of Israel, they celebrated God a whole lot. Every week, you know. And so they're coming back in with that thinking of celebrating Jesus. Not to make it a religious, you know what I mean? But to understand that God needs to be celebrated. You know, we say the first day of the week we celebrate him. You know, and a lot of us, that's just a ritual. We just go because we don't want to feel guilty if we didn't go.

41:38 And then if we don't go, we think, I don't know, maybe I'm not going to be blessed this week, so I better go. You got to know what I'm talking about. Instead of going with the idea of celebrating. In deep worship, one of the things that really got me when I was putting that book together and going back to what it was like to be called around, throwing to God, telling him how much we love him, is that everything was so excited that we were coming together to tell Jesus, their father, how much we love him. You know, on Sunday mornings, I'm going to, can I step on some toes in this area? I'm going to anyway. But worship, let's look at worship. We look at worship as trying to get us in there. God wants us to be ready to worship before we get there. Amen. You know, leave your troubles out the door. You got things going on. We're going to make you feel better now. You know, God wants you to come in with already. Let's go. I always say if we would do it beforehand, where would we be? You know, and I this is Dean. I don't think worship should always be at the beginning. I think it should be after the service. Because a lot of people have more to worship after the service. What would have happened after you got prayed for today and you got your answer to prayer and then we went to worship? Yeah. What would have...

43:03 I mean, seriously. It would have exploded in you. Because a lot of you got changed in a lot of ways. There's a lot of healing. A lot of physical... And you would have... Wow! Now I got something to really worship about. You know, that's just the, but how do they worship in heaven? We come with the attitude. See, I said we. I laugh about that. My wife don't like it, but I laugh about it. When I first came back, I just, when I first came back, I always said, you guys, you guys, you guys. And my wife said, I don't like what you say, you guys. Well, you go to heaven and see if you don't start separating yourself. So I got to go in my head to always know I'm back on the planet. I'm with you guys. So I'm one of you guys. I have to be like you guys in a way. But the reality of it is that everybody had the heart that we were coming to tell our father how much we love him. And we were so excited about that. And when it was my turn to tell my father how much I loved him, I remember rising up. And everybody sings an individual song. No one sings chorus songs together. They're individually.

44:19 And they are your tongue. You know how you sing? You think about it. If we were to sing in tongues right now, it wouldn't clash. Everybody's singing a different language. But some would say it's harmonized. No, it's not. I can't even describe what it really is. But everybody sings in their own language to the Lord. Is that cool? Is that cool? All right. So when it was my opportunity to tell my father how much I love him, I remember going through the process of the Holy Spirit, partnering with my spirit, coming up with the very words that I should sing to him. And I remember how they were rising in the inside of me. I wrote it in the book. How they were rising in the inside of me. And when it got to my lips, oh, I'll never forget this. My lips were so excited. My lips were so excited. Okay? They were able to launch this word of love to my father. You know what I'm talking about? And then another word came, and another word came, and another word. And it was like, wow. But everything inside of me was happy. You come to understand God made you in a way to, what do you call it, to praise him with everything that you have. You know, I do a training. The first one I did, our seminar, I did it with Sharon and them. It's called a deep worship seminar. And it's an all -day seminar.

45:50 Just worshiping. And what we do is we teach the Hebrew words like we were talking about this morning. And then we go into worship. And we teach and then we go into worship. And we teach and we go into worship. And anybody that's ever been in it, by the time you get to the third session, it's different. And usually I have testimonies now. Because people are changed so much. Wow. You know what I mean? That we have testimonies at the end and let people talk about the different things that took place in their lives. You know? So. That's that. Yeah, get his book, Deep Worship in Heaven. If you want to know more about worship in heaven, get that book. And if you're not a reader, get Audible. The book is on Audible.

46:32 It's very well read. But it must be a Canadian. He's got a little bit of a Canadian accent. Yeah, how do you realize that? It's his accent. Yeah, he is a Canadian. He did a good job, I think. Oh, he did a great job. I loved it. I loved it. I still listen to it. Okay. Here's a question. Do people still go to paradise today or was paradise only there before Jesus died on the cross? Really, what is the difference between paradise and heaven? When I left my body, I went directly to be with the Father and Jesus. There's no mention of paradise in that sense. Okay. So no one's up there giving you a history lesson. Seriously, you guys. What it used to be like. You're in the now now. Beautiful.

47:15 And so just to let you know that some of the questions that we have, they don't bring life. That's a good way of putting it. They're not life questions. Okay. And in heaven, there's no one talking about that. When I got there, Jesus looked at me, saw himself on the inside of me, and I was in. I love that. that simple you know it it so we're not saying well you know there's paradise over here and we know you you um i say there's i sometimes say there's a you know quarantine area there's not a quarantine area you know i can understand why they would think that you know people would think that but the reality of it is uh i'm saying the bible but i'm thinking about um purgatory you know the the Catholics say purgatory. I could think, I know how they could think that, but the reality, you're born again, you know Jesus Christ the Lord is saving you, you're going to be with the Father of Jesus. There is no stopping off. You know, there's no rest areas along the way. I mean, you're going to direct to be with the Father.

48:16 Everything about you is going to want to be with Him. And when I say everything, we always think about just our thinking, our mind. Your hand's going to want to be with Him. Your leg's going to want to be with Him. Everything, everything that you're created of is going to want to be. with you. Beautiful. Is that good news? That is good news. That is good news. Has Yeshua or Jesus downloaded anything to you about the regathering of all Israel, true Israel, and descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Many believe the 1948 Jews were a political, demonic creation of the elite rulers of the world. That is the true second exodus. Yeah. I got to say, from a heavenly point of view, that was not a discussion up there.

49:03 Okay. Isn't that good? Man, our discussions are different than God's discussions. You know, and so he has a whole different, he just wants his people home. He wants all his people home. You know, us that are grafted in, he wants us home. Is that good news? That is good news. What do you say to people who insist there is intelligent life beyond Earth? You know, and there is intelligent life beyond Earth. It's in heaven. And the aliens probably didn't come from there. I think many people are seeing demons and angels, and they don't know how to describe them. I go through the Bible to describe nine different angels that I encounter, and they don't all look like human beings. They look like everything you can imagine.

50:01 You know, on the book, according to the book you gave me, it has that fiery pillar going up from the top. That's an angel itself. And so, you know, most people don't realize it. The pillar of fire was an angel. The pillar of the cloud was an angel. You read your Bible. It's in there. I will send my angel before you. I will send my angel before you. Yep. And it showed up as a pillar of fire. And it showed up as a cloud. You know, interesting, huh, you guys? Yeah, they all don't look like us, you guys. The word angel means messenger in the Greek and in the Hebrew. So anything that God uses as a messenger could be used as an angel. You that see angels, you need to ask now on, what is the message? Because they always got a message. What happens a lot of times is that we see the angel and we get wild about the angel and we don't ask what the message is. My story is like you go into a stop sign and you see the stop sign and you get outside and you start worshiping the stop sign. They got a message. You know what I mean? Seriously.

51:12 And God doesn't... You've got to understand, you can go boldly to the throne of grace, so you have access to God all the time. The angels come to really enhance or to help you move forward, because they're ministering angels, to help you move forward. And most of us don't realize you've got more than one angel assigned to you. Depending on your work in the kingdom, you've got lots and lots and lots of angels that are assigned to you. And they're always working. We have a lot of them today working all over the place. And when they collaborate, whoa, boy, that's a whole different story. You know, everybody, if you're working in the kingdom of God, you got lots of angels. That's beautiful. You don't have one angel. You say one guardian angel, you got angels. You know, scripture references I use is Elijah when he was being surrounded and he told the Lord to open the eyes of his servant and his servant can see all those different angels, chair to fire. And horses are fired. You know?

52:10 And there was people in the chariots. So what was the angels? The chariots and the horses. Wow. You know? And then you got when David was being called to be king of all of Israel. And he was wondering if he should go fight the Philistines. And the Lord said, when you hear the army of the Lord in the treetops. That was David's angels that were being sent to fight in the spiritual realm. Is that cool? Is that cool? Yeah, that's cool. You know what's so cool about that? Let me tell you this authority thing. Let's go back to that. Before, God would be the one that sends the angels. Now you can. You have that authority.

52:54 You have the authority now to direct angels to fight in the kingdom of God. It's probably best to get the... unction of the Holy Spirit. Well, they're not going to move unless it's the Word of God. Of course. If it ain't the Word of God, you're speaking a whole different language to them. They don't understand. You speak the Word of God. By His stripes, I am you. That's the Word of God. That's so good. I just put that out there so that you can start. God is assigned angels. Greater is he that's in you than he that's in the world. And he's giving you angels to help you. You guys got a lot of work. I mean, a lot of help to do a lot of work. How come we ain't getting a lot of work done? This shouldn't have done that. But. And then the last one I use is Jesus in the garden. And there he is. And someone cuts off one of the servant's ears. And Peter decides that he would go ahead and fight with a sword. And Jesus says, no, my father can send me 12 legions of angels. Remember that? Those were the angels that were assigned to Jesus.

54:05 And guess what? If you break it down, there's 72 ,000 angels. That's a lot of angels, you guys. And they're not assigned to you for life. That means as you change in how he wants you to do things on the planet, he reassigns different angels to you. And every angel is created for a purpose. So as your purpose changes, guess what? You get a new group of angels. Is that cool? Is that cool? That is very cool. You know what happens a lot of times? I share this with people. Then they go start reading their Bible. And then God just starts showing them all kinds of stuff. Because it's in the Word. I'm not trying to, you know, you might say, I don't believe that. I don't agree with that. That's okay. Read the Word. It's going to come out. That's so good.

54:52 So good. Is Jesus, as people imagine him, as like what we see in movies where Jesus is a white man with long hair? No one's thinking that way there. Sometimes I have to go back and think, okay. We never thought of that. That's not a thought in heaven, you know, of the color of his skin or what he looks like. He's the Savior. You know, in heaven, they don't refer to him as, you know, Jesus. They say Savior. Because that's what Jesus means. That's what Jesus means, yeah. He's the Savior. Our understanding of names in English is mostly like... What does that name mean? You don't even have a meaning for most names. But all you got in heaven was the meaning of the names. We got, but yeah. I mean, they were called what they were. What they were. And he was Savior. So everybody referred to him as Savior. You know what I mean? But all the names that we refer to him on the planet mean Savior.

55:59 You understand what I mean? In the Hebrew or in the Greek, it all means Savior. It does, you guys. But in saying that to you, I'm going to go back because I want to really... When I saw Jesus, he looked mostly liquid to me. And the reason he looked liquid mostly is because color was coming out of him. All kinds of color. So you can say he's every color you could think of, plus colors that you don't even know about. They were coming out of him. And then he changed. He would change, you guys. He would look different every moment. So I could see how someone could say he looks this way, he looks this way, he looks this way. Because every moment he changed.

56:42 He just looked different. Now, you know how I am with Scripture. Okay, so let me bring in this scripture. Can I share this scripture with you? Please do. Because it was interesting when I found it years ago. It's found in Mark, the 16th chapter. I believe it's the 12th verse. Now, this is the same story of those guys that were traveling to Damascus. And they were on their way there. And as they were on their way there, Jesus showed up and they didn't recognize him. And then later on it said then their eyes were open and they could recognize him. Remember that, you guys? And he said, didn't our hearts burn when he talked to us? Okay. This is the same story, but it's only in one verse in Luke. And it says that after this, he appeared in a different form. You want me to go back to that? Mark, the 16th chapter, the 12th verse. After this, he appeared in a different form to two of them while they were on their way to the country. Jesus can show himself. I really believe he shows himself as you are going to receive him. Oh, that's good.

57:57 That's what I really believe. Now, I'm going to tell you something. When you get to heaven, you get to see him as he is. And we will be like him. Okay. And it doesn't matter no more the physical appearance or what he looks like because now you get to see him as he is. Is that good news, you guys? Oh, yes. Because my friend, you're from Kenya. Is he from Kenya? Ethiopia. That's great. It's even better. Okay. I remember seeing a Bible a long time ago. It was called the African Bible. And I had it. And it would take him pictures that the Ethiopians had drawn of Jesus, painted of Jesus. And this is before Michelangelo did his 16th chapel. Okay. And what they painted Jesus as is an African man on a cross. Okay.

58:49 And dark skin with short hair. And that's before Michelangelo. Do you guys hear what I just said? Okay. You know, Michelangelo came up with his remnants of Jesus later on. But the Ethiopians had already painted Jesus as a man with dark skin. Dark skin. Not like me. Dark skin. Okay. On a cross. Dying. That's how. I believe Jesus showed up and showed himself that way. Yeah. Because he could take on a different form. I know that blows some boxes, really. Because we're stuck with the white. Jesus we've seen. And some say, well, he looks more like Jewish. Well, in heaven, no one's saying he's Jewish. No one's saying he's Caucasian or he's African or anything like that. He's Jesus. Right. I remember one time I was in a school. Were you with me, Ricky?

59:52 I think you were with me. I was in Napoma High School. And the kids asked me what race Jesus was. And I said, in heaven, there is no race. They're just sons and daughters. And Ricky, remember, all the kids stood up and shouted and clapped and yelled. Wow. So in heaven, I'm telling you right now, we're not looking at the color of your skin anymore. It doesn't matter. It's one human race. It's Jesus. Is that good news? That is good news. Hallelujah. I have one more question. Okay. What happened, and we need to wrap it up, what happened when Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the knowledge, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? What changes happened that put us where we are now in this physical realm? There was a lot of decay came in, mainly. If I just say it really quick, decay, we call it... you know, but decay came in and things started dying and things were not supposed to die. And especially us, we got separated from the Father. And when you're separated from the Father, when the demons and devils and evil spirits get, before, you know, they were angels. Some people don't believe they were angels. They, this and that. But the reality, they were angels that chose, one third of heaven chose not to go with God. They chose to go with Lucifer. And Lucifer, I always tell

1:01:22 people, does not no longer exist. He's the devil. He's Satan now. But the word Lucifer, which was a good name. I've tried to get someone to name their child Lucifer, but it ain't happening. But if you think about what the name means, it's Lightgiver. That's all the name means, you know what I mean? It really is a good name, but I know it's hard to get over that. But the reality of it is that decay came into the planet. I mean, not the planet, but yeah, it came into the planet because the planet wasn't even supposed to decay anymore. And when decay came into the third chapter and we got separated from the Father, Sharon, that was a terrible day. Yeah. But the good thing about it, Jesus Christ came and died on that cross. Amen. And then we were, you doing it for me? Yeah, see? Yes. See how he looks? Mm -hmm.

1:02:29 Yeah. He could show you, you know, and there's one on the cross, too, that was really, really, see? Yes. Yes. That's cool. We'll have to add that to the podcast. Yeah. And that was before. You guys got to understand, that's before. You know what I mean? Michael Angelo did his pictures. Sure. You know. But to go back to this, I say this will happen. Adam clocked to sin. You know how you have time? Because time, we were created out of time. We were never created to be in time. None of us in this room. You were created to be in time. The other thing, we were never created to be separated. That's why we have such greed.

1:03:17 We were not wired for separation. Do you know what I mean? To be separated. We were wired to be together with each other forever and never have that separation. But to go back, so we were out of time. Adam messed up, and we came into time, and we started deteriorating, started falling apart, getting old. Yeah. Okay. In the Hebrew, most of our translations say you will surely die if you do that. But in the Hebrew, it says dying, you shall die. In other words, the dying process began at that moment. And it was a process of dying. So that's what happened. The good news is Jesus came and I'd say clocked us out. Amen.

1:04:09 In old days, you would have the clock. Do you remember the clock? Yeah. And I'd say Adam clocked his in and Jesus clocked his out. Awesome. So what happened to the – Like the spirit man and the rebellious part of us. It's like there's a part of us that wants to do right, you know, like Romans 7. I want to do the right thing and I don't do it. And I want to not do the wrong thing and I do it. So was that part of the transition? That was part of the transition, you know. You know, that's a long teaching that you're talking about. Well, let's do it sometime. I got my buddy over there. He's looking at me, shaking his head, like, don't get me, dude. But the reality of it is that, yeah, you know, that deterioration came into our body. When I separated from my body, I came to understand something about my body. And it said something to me even when I came back. It said you would never do this to me. My body said that, you guys. You know what I mean? And this is what I said. You're alive?

1:05:22 That's what I said. And yet the Bible tells you that fleshly side of you, that carnal side of you is alive. And it's at war with the spiritual side. Most of us think it's the devil that is leading us astray. And I'm going to tell you something right now. It's your flesh that's leading you astray. And the devil is just coming along to help. He's encouraging you to make wrong choices. I'm serious. Your spirit always wants to do right. It always wants to do what Jesus wants to do. It always does. It doesn't have to be convinced to do the right thing. It was created for rightness. And just to end on this, when I got to heaven, everything was right. There was nothing wrong, and I did it. And I remember that. And then I came back to the idea that we were created for rightness, not rightness according to how I say it right, according to how he says it right.

1:06:13 And the reason a lot of us get upset when something goes wrong is because we were never created to be in wrongness. We were created to be in rightness. So you get upset and mad and you were never created to be in wrongness. You were created to be in rightness. Is that cool? Is that cool? Yeah, I just changed the music. But that's cool. Beautiful. I hope this answered questions. This was good, wasn't it? So thank you so much for doing this with us today. This was wonderful. And can we just say thank you, Jesus, for this? This was wonderful. Thank you, Lord, for opening the eyes of our understanding to gain more understanding of how it is in heaven so we can start doing it here on earth. In Jesus' name. If you enjoyed today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also looking for a great move of the Holy Spirit. Check out our website at globaloutpouring .org to find out more information, read our blogs, connect with us, and donate.

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