Can You Hear Me Now? Matt Thayer on Charlie Kirk, Prophecy & America’s Reawakening

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Hello everyone and welcome to this very special

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edition of The Strang Report. I'm Stephen Strang.

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Today I have the privilege of interviewing my

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longtime friend, Matt Thayer, who's a filmmaker

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and has just made a fantastic new film. It'll

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actually be out on September 10th, 2026, which

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is the one year anniversary of the assassination

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of Charlie Kirk. And Charlie Kirk plays prominently

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in this documentary. It's called Can You Hear

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Me Now? And Matt interviewed him about two weeks

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before his untimely death. And so I think there'll

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be a lot of interest. But let me start by welcoming

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you and just ask you what prompted you to do

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a documentary. We'll talk a little bit about

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your work in a minute, but this is an unusual

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documentary because it's about the prophetic,

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and you can see how Charlie Kirk actually believed

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that God speaks to us through the prophetic.

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Yeah, it was kind of crazy because we pursued

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an interview with Charlie Kirk not really from

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that angle. Obviously, we didn't know that he

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was going to. passed away two weeks after we

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interviewed him at all. That wasn't part of the

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plan. But we really were interested in having

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a conversation with him around the separation

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of church and state and Christian nationalism.

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It was just some of the stuff that he shares

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with on campuses. But because this film, the

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impetus of this film was around God speaking

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and when God speaks, how is the church supposed

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to activate or respond? I did ask him questions

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about the prophetic and about the gifts and he

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was very open and honest about it and totally

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was like, yep, I believe it. I've had experience

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with that. He said, I can't speak into it as

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deeply as some theologians, but he says, I've

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absolutely seen them active and we need to always

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apply it to scripture. He was definitely a believer

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in the prophetic, which I found extraordinarily

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fascinating. And everybody that I've shown those

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clips to are going like, wow, really? So I'm

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hoping that it really encourages people to watch

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the documentary. And the point of the documentary

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is to just encourage people to rethink how we

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go about thinking how God speaks to us. Well

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you have done six other documentaries several

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which i've watched i have a lot of respect for

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you as a filmmaker. And i think one of the first

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things i want to do is to show the very short

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trailer so people have a contacts and then we'll

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talk about some of the people in it i'll talk

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about my own reaction to it and. Before we started

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this podcast, you told me that there's a five

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minute clip and what I'm going to do is just

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play that at the very end of the podcast. So

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people that want to see more can actually see

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the first five minutes of the documentary while

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it's still in play. You're still tweaking it

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some between now and the time that it comes out.

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So here without further ado is the trailer. I

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do believe that those gifts are active. I'm not

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at a position to speak openly about that as much

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as theologians. I will say this, it can be abused,

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it's very real, but I've seen it work. Not only

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work, I've seen it transform lives and some people

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absolutely have the gift of prophecy. The reason

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we need prophets is because we need God to reveal

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his heart and God has always chosen, whenever

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he wants to say something, he looks for a human

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vessel. We saw depression go up, anxiety go up,

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we saw crime go up. The problem is we're looking

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for the government to tackle moral issues. The

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problem with being deceived is you're deceived

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and you don't know it. Christ called us to be

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salt and light. We as Christians should change

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the environment that we come in contact with.

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People will often come to me and say, well, as

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a pastor, you really should not be involved.

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The first question is why should Christians be

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involved in anything? A nation. who acknowledges

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God is going to be blessed. Well, you can't be

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blessed if you're the church, if you're to eliminate

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yourself from it. Whether it be Nehemiah, Jeremiah,

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Daniel, Moses, Aaron, they all thought deeply

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about how to either influence secular government

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for God's purposes or form a government for God's

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purposes. Everybody will look around and wonder,

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is anybody going to stand up? When you hear his

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voice in the mouths of his messengers, it tunes

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people into knowing what he sounds like. We are

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going to see the value of hearing his voice for

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every area of life and society. Well, I found

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that very interesting and I think that people

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will want to stay tuned to the end of the podcast

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to see a little bit longer I personally know

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I I counted there are seven people that you have

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including Charlie Kirk who I met briefly I did

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not know him very well. I knew all but two of

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them and So it was just interesting for me knowing

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their lives and ministries in a couple of cases

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actually being friends and what they had to say

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And of course, with covering the Charismatic

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Renewal and Pentecostal movement as I have for

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the past five decades, the prophetic and God

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-speaking is somewhat controversial. There are

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people who use the term the prophetic or the

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prophetic movement. There are other people that

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blast it and just say it's wrong. And partly,

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it's because as human beings, the prophetic is

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not always accurate as we saw with the prophecies

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in 2020 that Donald Trump would be elected again.

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So tell me how you dealt with it, because I know

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that you were also very involved with the revival

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aspect. Well, as far as the prophetic, this is

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the thing that's challenging to me, and that

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you brought up the 2020 election. We don't know.

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if actually Donald Trump won that election. There's

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investigations going on right now. He may have

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very well won. And the enemy is a deceiver and

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a liar. And so I don't understand how we, Jesus

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himself calls the enemy the father of lies. And

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yet we don't think he's capable of hoodwinking

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an entire nation. So that's interesting to me.

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And the fact that back in you know, the book

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of Jeremiah, which we kind of go into on this

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documentary. Jeremiah was called the false prophet.

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You know, we want to, we want to say today, we

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want to pound the table and say, we want old

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Testament prophets to just say it and it happens.

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And it's like, well, in the moment, nobody knew

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who was actually speaking for God. At one point

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he was put in prison because they thought he

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was on Nebuchadnezzar's payroll. So, uh, you

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know, The fact that we are living in a time period

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where certain things aren't maybe as clear as

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we would like them to be does not mean that the

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prophetic isn't working and it doesn't mean that

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we shouldn't be paying attention and it doesn't

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mean that they're false. It just means that we're

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in a space where we actually have to use faith

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and we actually have to use discernment, which

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is really what we're supposed to be doing. Because

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Paul said to Timothy, Paul said to Timothy, use

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the prophetic words spoken over you to fight

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the good fight. Well, doesn't that imply that

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there's going to be points where our reality

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isn't actually matching up with what God's spoken?

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So I don't know. Well, that's absolutely right.

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And I'm very interested in this part about Donald

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Trump because I wrote a book about the prophetic

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and Donald Trump. It was called God and Donald

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Trump. I wrote it in 217 right after he was inaugurated

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because there were several prophetic voices,

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Kim Clement being the best known, and you can

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go on YouTube and Google or search for Kim Clement,

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prophecy, and it'll pop up. There were two of

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them. And in around 07, long before Trump was

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talking about running, Kim Clement said without

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naming him specifically, that God was going to

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raise up a trumpet or something like that. He

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would not be a praying man when he went into

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the White House. He'd be praying later and the

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God was raising him up and I'm not repeating

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it very well. But, uh, and then there were some

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other prophets like Chuck Pierce who said this

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unlikely real estate mogul who was a TV celebrity

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was going to be president. It looked impossible.

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I wasn't for Trump to start with because all

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I knew that he was a brash New York celebrity

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on TV. But then I began to see that he was open

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to pastors praying for him. And you can go and

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see those clips as well. So anyway, I'll just

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say this. The reason I wrote that book was I

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felt that there was an untold story. The story

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of Trump winning didn't bring this question in.

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Did God raise him up? And there were several

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ministers who said that Trump was like Cyrus.

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God used Cyrus who wasn't even a believer. And

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could God use Trump? So that's the background

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of what happened in 2020. Kim Clement said that

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he'd be in two terms. And so when 2020 rolled

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around, I thought, well, he'll probably win.

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And there were some other prophets who picked

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it up the second time around. It was interesting

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they didn't say it the first time around. And

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they were very emphatic, very emphatic, even

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when it was called for Joe Biden. But what I

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always said, and I like your opinion about this,

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is that they said two terms, but they didn't

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say they'd be in a row. And of course it has

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turned out to be two terms. Right. Yeah. And,

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and like I said, you know, God doesn't honor

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the fraud, doesn't honor the fraudulent results

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of, of, uh, you know, crazy machines. Um, he

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knows, he knows, he knows who vote, who, who

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voted. He knows who they voted for and he knows

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who won. And, um, you know, and I just. That's

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my opinion on it. I think it's interesting. I

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don't have answers, but I just look at those

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kinds of things and I'm like going, you know,

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God knows. Just because a machine certifies something

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doesn't mean that it's true. That's absolutely

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right. And we may find out later that there was

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fraud, but back to the documentary. I'm interested

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in Charlie Kirk. You know, there have been few

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people whose assassination has made such a big

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impact on the country. I mean, wasn't there a

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hundred thousand people that came to his memorial

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at the stadium in Arizona? So tell us about that

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interview and tell my viewers kind of what he

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said. You referred to it earlier, but I would

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like to do a deeper dive. I had seen a clip about,

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you know, he was talking about the separation

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of church and estate. And one of the things that

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we knew about this documentary was like going,

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you know, God doesn't just speak to give us warm

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and fuzzy feelings. You know what I mean? Like,

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it's like, he's a good father. He wants to speak

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blessings over us, but we've kind of limited

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a lot of our own personal words from the Lord

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as just kind of words of encouragement. But he

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really does actually, want to shape nations.

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He wants to shape the world, you know what I

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mean? Like, he went through a lot of, you know,

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a lot of trouble, really, you know, to get to

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the point where Christ is on the throne and is

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the King. And why wouldn't he have, you know,

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opinions on how societies run? And he really

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does want to have a good society. So the separation

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of church and state conversation was really what

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I was interviewing Charlie Kirk about, you know,

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of how the church has become absent. in the conversation,

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you know, thinking like, well, we can't be a

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part of politics because that's somebody else's

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problem or that's not part of the church or,

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you know, all of this stuff when, you know, growing

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up, I knew our Christian heritage. I was, you

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know, I was homeschooled. I was, you know, privileged

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to be raised by some amazing parents who taught

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me, you know, the origins of our country. And

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I'm like going, how is it that, you know, now

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all of a sudden it's like, we have, you know,

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we're not a part of this conversation when it

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was like literally the Christians that formed

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the country. And we've been called a Christian

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nation for all of these years. And now all of

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a sudden it's like hands off. It doesn't make

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any sense. So I knew that this documentary, if

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we're going to be talking about, you know, words

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around 2020, if we're going to be talking about

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how the prophetic works today, God speaking,

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He's doing something, you know, he said, let

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there be light and the entire universe started,

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right? You know what I mean? So it's like his

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words have purpose and power. And so what would

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that be? What would he be trying to get the church

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to engage with? And so, um, Charlie just articulates

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that extraordinarily well. And so we talked a

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lot about that, had an interview with him for

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about an hour. Um, great guy, by the way, just,

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I mean, his staff is amazing. Everybody was just

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super, super cool. And then we just talked to

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him about God speaking in the prophetic, and

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it really surprised me the answers that he gave

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and how he believes in that. He believes that

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God speaks. He believes that there are people

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that have the gift of prophecy. But he also said

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that a word from a prophet should never ever

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be an excuse for an action. And that's the thing

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that I think a lot of people mistake. It's like,

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well, God speaks, so therefore it's just gonna

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happen. It's like, no, there's actually examples

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in the Bible where that's not true. And we have

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to participate. We actually have to hear God's

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plan, you know, Papa's purposes. And then we

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as his children, his sons and daughters who are

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carrying his name forward on the planet, we have

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to engage in a way that carries out those plans

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and purposes, you know? Um, so Charlie, you know,

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was amazing and did that. And then all of a sudden,

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like we're thinking we're going kind of in a

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different direction with this thing. And then

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all of a sudden, you know, death just blew up

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everything, um, all over the place. And, you

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know, you see all of these people coming to the

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Lord and these people going to the church and

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people saying, I've been attracted to the Bible.

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I mean, you're just going like, wow, God, like,

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and then, and then, like you said, I mean, this

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memorial service. I w I was standing there in

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my living room and I am. sobbing. I am just sobbing

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like a baby. And my kids are looking at me going

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like, dad, like we've never seen you like this.

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And I'm just sobbing because it was like this

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bittersweet of like, you know, grieving for Erica

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for losing her husband, grieving for, you know,

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his daughters who are going to grow up without

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a dad, you know, grieving for, you know, like

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the fact that it took this you know, for to wake

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us all up. But then like looking and thinking

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about how for 20, 30, 40 years, my parents have

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been longing for something like this, you know,

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and knowing all of the prayers of the saints

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that have been going into revival and watching

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it happen. I mean, it's just, it was, I was just

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overwhelmed by the entire experience and I couldn't

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help but go like, Lord, you're going to do something

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extraordinary with this generation. You're, you're,

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you're in the, we're in the middle of a revival.

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We're in the middle of a reawakening right now.

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And there's nobody that can convince me otherwise.

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Well, I agree with you on that. And I just thought

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you did a magnificent job of presenting something

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that is obviously very controversial, something

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that a lot of people don't really understand.

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I've had the privilege of seeing a couple of

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your documentaries, The Trump I Know, which I

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thought was brilliant and made the case very

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well that Donald Trump was not like a lot of

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the media portray him to be, and then the enemy

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within with Patrick Byrne, who we actually did

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a podcast on, as I recall. And I thought it was

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very well done. And this one, I grew up in this.

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I've been covering the prophetic for years, but

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yep, my own eyes were opened with a few of the

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things that were said, especially with one of

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the people, I won't say who it was. who had been

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embroiled in some controversy, and it didn't

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really affect me, but I had to look at that person's

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ministry in a little bit different light. I thought,

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you know, I probably have judged them based on

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what I heard, and it really had nothing to do

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with you, and if I'd been exposed to them in

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another setting, undoubtedly I would have come

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to the same conclusion. So I'm just saying that

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it affected me personally, and I think it'll

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affect the people who watch it. So tell me what

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your goal is. Do you think, you know, obviously

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you're coming out at a time when everyone's going

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to be thinking about Charlie Kirk and his assassination,

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although this is not really about Charlie Kirk.

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He's just the most prominent person that you

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interviewed, and it's very interesting to look

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back and hear what he had to say about God speaking.

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But do you think this is going to fuel the revival?

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It's just an indication that a proof that a revival

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is happening? It'll wake up people to be more

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open to listen to prophetic voices Do you think

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it brings me balance in the prophetic because

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you know, there's some the prophetic Bias very

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nature invites people that maybe are false prophets,

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you know, the Bible talks about false prophet

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prophets are just people that are Extremists.

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What do you think? You know, we obviously I mean,

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this is what I do for a living, you know means

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I want to be successful and you know And there's

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monetary value in that. But when something is

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monetarily successful, that also means that it's

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having an impact. It also means that a lot of

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people are watching it, and a lot of people are

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talking about it. And really what was on my heart

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the entire time when I was making this for the

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last year was just all of those people that I

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saw on Instagram and TikTok that were going like,

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I'm just attracted to Jesus right now. Why would

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all of a sudden the death of Charlie Kirk all

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of a sudden have this magnetic pull towards the

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Bible where a woman is like, I'm picking up my

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husband's Bible for the first time or I'm going

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back to church for the first time that I haven't

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been ever or in decades or whatever. Why is that

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having that impact? I mean, I think that was...

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what was just kept going through my mind. And

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I'm like, Lord, there's, there's so many new

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believers coming to your church. And we've done

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a really bad job at getting people to understand

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that they can hear you and how to discern your

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voice, but yet you're a dad. You know what I

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mean? Like it's like, we tell people that God

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is our father. You're, he's your father. He's

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your father, but no, he doesn't speak to you

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except for through this book that he wrote like

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a thousand years ago. You know what I mean? And

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you're just like, what kind of dad would not

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talk to you? Like, it just doesn't make any sense.

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And so there's this, but there's this balance

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between what we have in the word, what we have

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in people. There are people that are prophets.

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There are people that can pick up his transmissions

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better than others, but we all have the ability

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to hear his voice and those tools give us the

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ability to tune in to what he sounds like. So

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that we can actually then therefore enjoy that

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relationship that everybody wants to say we have

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with him, but you can't have a relationship without

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a conversation. And so anyway, I was, I'm hoping

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that the people that were, you know, attracted

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to the church and attracted to the Bible and

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attracted to relationship with Jesus through

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the death of Charlie Kirk would find this film

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and they would watch it because Charlie's in

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it. And all of a sudden they're like, oh wow,

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like God loves me. and he's got a plan. And I

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just think that would be amazing because, like

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I said, I think the church has done such a horrible

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job managing conversations around the prophetic.

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We don't understand what a prophet really is

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and how they function. We get onto all these

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weird circular logic conversations that just

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go nowhere. And I wanted to just try to, as a

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storyteller, not as a theologian, just go, all

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right, let's try to make this make sense. Just

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ask some questions and try to get to a place

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where we can just be curious about a relationship

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with an amazing God. Well said. And I know that

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there are ways that people can get involved in

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this. And one of them is you're setting up a

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GoFundMe. Your documentary is pretty much done.

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So what will the money from the GoFundMe allow

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you to do that you wouldn't be able to do otherwise?

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And then how can people be involved? Well, essentially

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the GoFundMe will essentially double our marketing

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reach. And like I said, I have a relationship

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with you. I have a relationship with lots of

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other podcasters. I can get in front of audiences

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and most audiences that I can get in front of.

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are people that are going to be like, yeah, this

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is awesome. And, you know, agree with, you know,

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the content and, you know, go out and want to

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watch it and share it. But, you know, to really,

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to get the impact that we want to have and the

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impact that I was just describing, we really

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need to get outside of that circle. And so, you

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know, the GoFundMe gives us the ability to, or

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want to raise $550 ,000 to add to the marketing

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war chest so that we can get more digital ad

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space, you know, get more, just more Yeah, just

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more marketing. It's like we just need to get

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it out there more ads, you know, more videos

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on YouTube, all of the stuff that you have to

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do, especially nowadays, because you got to really

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break through the noise. I mean, you know this,

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you know, you got to break through to get you

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get your message out there so people even hear

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about it. So anyway, so and what I love about

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that is that people like your audience who are

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already engaged in the conversation, they're

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already interested in, you know, conversations

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about the prophetic. they're going to watch this

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and they're going to go, wow, this is really

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important. And I really need to share this with

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so and so and so and so and so and so. Well,

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this is an opportunity where you can get in early.

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And like Steve said, we're going to play, you

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know, five minutes of the film, the first five

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minutes of the film. So you can see, you know,

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we're done with this thing. I mean, I'm doing

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some finishing touches this week, but we're pretty

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much done and it's going to get out there. And

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so, but you can actually be a part of being the

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army that helps to get it out there further.

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you know, by going to the crowd fund on give,

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send, go and, um, you know, giving us, you know,

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whatever you can, um, and then sharing it with

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other people and saying like, no, this is something

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that you guys need to be a part of. This is really

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important. This is going to have some cultural

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impact. And we'll put on the screen how people

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can get involved. I want to thank you for taking

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time out of your busy schedule to be in my podcast.

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We've got several podcasts and we'll have, we'll

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have to do another one closer to when. The film

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debuts in September. And for those who don't

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subscribe to my podcast, I want to remind you

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to subscribe, give us a thumbs up, share the

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podcast with people that you think would be interested

00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:10.079
in this film on The Prophetic. And so now without

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further ado, we'll close by playing this five

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minute clip. The first five minutes of this important

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new documentary called Can You The truth is,

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I never wanted to make documentaries. And this

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might sound strange, considering I've made seven

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in the last six years. Why then do I do it? Short

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answer? I believe God told me to. But more on

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that later. When asked to create a film regarding

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the confusion of prophetic words spoken over

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the 2020 election, I asked, why me? Because even

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though I believe God speaks, I've still had my

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issues with the prophetic, especially around

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politics. Oh boy. And my documentaries have tackled

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some pretty controversial things. Election fraud?

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Women who support Trump, the weaponization of

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government, fraudulent information around COVID,

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and the rise of patriotic conferences during

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the Biden administration. But modern -day prophets?

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There's entire groups of Christians who don't

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believe they exist. But something about it intrigued

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me. In sensing a deeper conversation, I had my

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team invite Charlie Kirk to be interviewed for

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the film. I asked him what he thought about the

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prophetic. A word from a prophet should never

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be an excuse for inaction or apathy. It can be

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abused. It's very real. I think it's something

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that we need to always apply and submit to scripture.

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But I've seen it work. Not only work, I've seen

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it transform lives. And some people absolutely

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have the gift of prophecy. That conversation

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happened two weeks to the minute before Charlie

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was. Watching the event unfold that day, I couldn't

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help but think, why would God have me be one

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of the last people to interview Charlie before

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he died? Is there something he's trying to say?

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Why do you believe what you believe? Why do I

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believe what I believe? Belief comes from information.

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But where does information come from? Everything

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we currently believe is based on information

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we once saw or read or heard. This information

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forms an inner formation we refer to as a belief

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system. Like an operating system in a computer,

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we hope this system is based on good information.

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But sometimes what we believe is based on bad

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information. This forms a lie. Where do you get

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your information? How do you filter out the lies

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and keep the good? Even those of you who don't

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believe in God, stay with me for a moment. If

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God exists, how would He inject His information

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into our world? More than likely, He would use

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humans. And what do we call these humans who

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claim to carry heavenly messages? Oracles? Seers?

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But what do you believe about prophets? Some

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people believe they no longer exist. Others insist

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they still do. Every culture has legends of those

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supposedly touched by the divine. Many fear them.

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Others mock them. And it doesn't help matters

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that those who claim to have a connection to

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the invisible world have led people to do...

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crazy things. Another issue? Prophets tend to

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be a little odd. But hasn't this always been

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the case? Even looking through the Christian

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Bible I find Isaiah strolling around naked. Jeremiah

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walking around with a wooden ox yoke on his shoulders.

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Ezekiel camping out for weeks, cooking bread

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over cow dung. Seriously. But peel back all these

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peculiarities and thundering words. Weren't they

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all just ordinary humans? I was introduced to

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a few people, others have called prophets. I

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was curious to hear their stories of when they

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believed they first heard God's voice.