Green Beret Exposes the Spiritual Deception Behind UFOs & UAP Disclosure | Paul Bock

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Hello everyone and welcome to the Strang Report

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podcast. I'm Stephen Strang. Thanks for tuning

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in. Well, today I'm going to interview someone

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very interesting. In all the years I've interviewed

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people and I've had the opportunity to interview

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four US presidents. I've never had an interview

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like this. I'm going to talk to Paul Bach. This

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is his new book that's coming out in a few weeks.

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You can get it on Amazon. That's probably the

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easiest way to do it. And he has a very, very

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interesting story. I just finished reading the

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book myself. It's excellent. The book is called

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The Disclosure Agenda. And there's been all this

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stuff in the news about UAPs, UFOs, and things

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have been coming out about the government. And

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I'm not sure exactly where the interview is going

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to go, but we'll get started. And the interesting

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thing is that Paul describes everything from

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a spiritual perspective. So... Stay tuned. This

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is going to be one of the most interesting podcasts

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I think I've ever had. So let me ask you first.

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First of all, thank you for taking time to talk

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to me. And of course, full disclosure for the

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disclosure agenda. I'm the publisher. And in

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some ways, we kind of took a risk on this book

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because it has the potential of being controversial.

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There's a lot of weird stuff going on with UAPs

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and the government and nobody knows who to trust

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and Christian people think it doesn't really

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apply to them, but really there's a lot of spiritual

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stuff going on with all this extraterrestrial

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type of things that are happening. To jump on

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your statement, the gospel itself is controversial.

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That's kind of a major point. that you tell people,

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everybody wants to hear about the love of God,

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but you start telling people that they're lost

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and what it's going to cost them if they don't

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trust the gospel. That is a divisive issue. And

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then obviously, when it comes to this subject,

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there's a whole lot of voices in the space, both

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Christian, non -Christian. The government is

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obviously discussing these things. The disclosure

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is here, you could say. I would actually, and

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I think people that I've worked with, we would

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argue that disclosure did not happen just now

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when they started, the DOW started releasing

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the files. It actually started back with age

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of disclosure on that documentary with the intelligence

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officials. Which I finally got around to watching

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just a few days ago. It's very eye -opening.

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And that is key because here you have intelligence

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officials that are and Marco Rubio that are discussing

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this on there They do say hey this there are

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some of these things. This this is not from this

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world. So just given the Compartments and who

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those people are I would act I would argue that

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disclosure had already happened But now that

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the president and the government is releasing

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these things that obviously disclosure is here

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so there's a lot of talk regarding the subject

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of What is it? The government's just kind of

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releasing information. And in a sense, they're

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very much like, all right, guys, here you go.

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Make of it what you will. And that is why, in

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a sense, that this is so important for the church.

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Because as the government releases this, there's

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a lot of questions, OK, well, they're not giving

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context. They're not stating what it is. So what

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is it? And that is where you see different voices

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within the space that are presenting answers,

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they're presenting information, they're giving,

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validating evidence as to why their explanation

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is correct. But when you look at what they're

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saying, it is counter to the text of Scripture.

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Now, not all. We do know that there are Christians

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within the space that have been speaking on this

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subject. But the big focus for me and what I

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really focused on in the book that kind of had

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been missed in a lot of ways is while people

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like Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, L .A. Marzulli,

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Timothy Aberrino, like, and a whole host of others.

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Yeah, they've been speaking on the subject. But

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what me and a couple of buddies of mine in the

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space that we work in within the Intel community,

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in a sense you could say, with our platform,

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what we saw was that nobody had been addressing

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the belief system that was forming around it.

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And that is where I would say that what got missed

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in the hype of different things, what got missed

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is that there is a belief system that has been

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forming for a while in this space. It was very

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kind of in the background, it was fringe a little

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bit, it was on the edges, but especially now

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that the government has come out with these things,

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it's got serious legs. Mass people, like obviously

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Joe Rogan's talked about this stuff for a very

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long time. He's very mainstream. I know Sean

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Ryan has talked about these things. He's had

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guests on. And then you have American Alchemy

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with Jesse Michaels. And now it is mainstream.

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And these beliefs, these teachings of these people,

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you could say, they are reaching a vast number

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of people. So because this has such reach, the

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question is, okay, well, what's the Church's

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answer? If these people are providing answers

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that while on the surface it may seem, oh, it's

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just, you know, you're just dealing with things

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from our galaxy, whatever. The practices, the

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methods of interaction, you look at all that

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and you're like, this is beyond just natural.

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This is supernatural. And there's a lot of things

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in here that the Bible already addresses. And

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everything, kind of when you take the whole of

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it, methods of contact, contact narratives, messaging,

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all surrounding it, look at methods of, types

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of interactions, all of these whole host of things.

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you take all that, test it against the text,

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and you're saying, well, one, this actually isn't

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anything new. It's all here. It's very old. It's

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just kind of wrapped up in a different package.

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And two, by testing it against the text of Scripture,

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we can simply say, okay, that does not line up

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with the text of God. That is actually something

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that's forbidden. Well, I want to get into that,

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but... You know, it occurs to me that a lot of

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the people watching probably do not know your

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name. You know, you haven't really... In fact,

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in some ways, you're just starting to do media.

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Yeah. So, why don't you... You were a Green Beret,

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which is really impressive. But how in the world

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did you get involved with this whole thing with

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UAPs? So, I'll get the long short of it. I was

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a Green Beret. I was at Fifth Special Forces

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Group, ran a time at Special Warfare Center in

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school, working Special Forces Assessment and

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Selection as a cadre. Hopped over to SFPC doing

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the 18 x -rays the guys just coming in trying

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to go special forces that were not prior service

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Came back to fifth group took over as the a35

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ops sergeant took my guys over to Syria and I

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had to run down to Jordan and When I was in Jordan

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just managing a couple things I was coming back

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to Syria Couldn't sleep wasn't sleeping a whole

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lot at that time walked into the chow hall at

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midnight chow to get some coffee Since I was

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awake This dude's sitting there saying, hey,

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can't sleep. I'm like, ah, I don't sleep. He's

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like, ah, me neither. Let's hang out. So hang

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out, build a relationship, stay in contact over

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the next few years. And then back, I think it

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was, in 22, he was working some things. And he

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called me and said, hey, what are your thoughts

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on UAPs? So I gave him my viewpoint. Why do we

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find that? There are going to be a few people

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that know UFO, but they don't know UAP. UAPs

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is what? we would call UFOs now, what used to

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be called UFOs, unidentified aerial phenomenon,

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unidentified anomalous phenomenon. And then with

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that, you have what's called NHI, non -human

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intelligence. So instead of what we say alien,

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now that's the new term, NHI. So those are the

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defining terms with that. So when he called me,

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I had already done research into this back in

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2012 to 2015. I did a three -year deep dive into

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eschatology. all the different viewpoints. And

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I kind of went down the rabbit hole of the whole

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UFO, alien stuff, because somebody had presented,

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it was Chuck Missler that had presented, oh,

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this is an end times deception. And I'm like,

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OK, maybe. But I'm going to go do my research.

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So I was reading both secular, Christian, all

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the different viewpoints, all the explanations.

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Again, going back into the 1970s with the New

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Age movement. and people that were claiming to

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be in contact with these things. Again, just

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trying to take the whole of it and then go back

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to Scripture and say, okay, what is this? And

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so from that, I basically determined, hey, this

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is deceptive. It is not of God based on my testing

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of all that by the text. So when he called me

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in 22, I was like, hey, just based on my research,

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here's a quick 20 -minute rundown. This is why

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I believe this is ultimately not of God. It is

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deceptive. And he's like, well, I came to the

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same conclusion, but there's an opportunity for

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us to do some work within the intel community

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Helping some people out fill some gaps and then

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obviously there were some national security concerns

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because things were starting to get leaked and

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We're we do not like that's that's a huge deal.

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Like if stuff's getting leaked that shouldn't

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be leaked like Render to Caesar what is Caesar's

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and to God the things that are gods and the problem

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is is there are things that we do and Have technologies

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whatever we don't want our enemies Having understanding

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of our capabilities like there's a lot that needs

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to be about our military. Yeah military Yeah,

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exactly our military enemies different compartments.

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It doesn't really matter on that end So we were

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not coming into this like oh, we want to find

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the the reality be whistleblowers No, we we cared

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about national security. We we like our country.

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We we live here. We like it here, right? There

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we believe that ultimately the God right? No

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authority exists except that which God has established,

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and you should submit to that authority. And

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so that's kind of the way we saw that we could

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honor those that are in authority over us, and

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we're patriots, right? We love our country. But

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at the same time, on that flip side, we saw the

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spiritual side of things. And so we're like,

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okay, God, what do you want us to do in this?

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And so we started networking, and that's kind

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of developed into what I did for the last four

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years. Now, you would have had some preconceived

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ideas before you got involved with this. What

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changed and what do you think now about UAPs?

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If anything, I would say given my experiences

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within this space, it was solidified just due

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to the interactions I've had with people in this

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space, different levels within both the governmental

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and private sector community. I would say it

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solidified more like this is much this is incredibly

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deceptive. It is not of God. And that was, again,

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due to the people I interacted with and things

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that even myself and other people on our platform

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experienced. So from that, I would say I was

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solidified in the fact that, okay, this is not

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only, yeah, it is definitely not of God. You're

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dealing with satanic fallen angel stuff. Again,

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I'm not gonna get into the nuance of it, but

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all I can say is I would say it's of the enemy

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and not of God. Because again, just all this

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stuff within that we experience doesn't line

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up with the text and there's a the best way I

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can put it is when you get attacked and you start

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seeing serious spiritual warfare around your

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movements within the space and people that are

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taking and doing ancient practices and occult

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practices and this is how you make contact and

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Seeing people that are starting to manifest,

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we would say, demonic possession or being attacked.

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There's a whole host of stories with this, I

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would say stories, but things that we experienced.

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So that's the long way of saying it solidified

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my view that this is not of God. It is a deception.

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And that is why it's so important for me to write

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this, because the Church just hasn't been ready

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for it. they've completely misunderstood what's

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actually going on. And even if they just give

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the basic label of, oh, it's demonic, the problem

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is, is that this is ultimately a gospel conversation.

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Because you can't just do the whitewash, it's

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demonic. Because that's not answering people's

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questions, right? In 1 Peter 3, all of you should

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be ready to give an answer to everyone who asks

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about the hope that is within you. And Jude,

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he says to put up a stiff fight for the faith

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once we're all delivered to the saints. go into

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conflict with people, but we do war, right? The

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weapons of warfare are not carnal, they're not

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fleshly, but mighty for pulling down strongholds

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and going against arguments that are counter

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to the text of Scripture and to the God of the

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Bible. And that is very much what we saw in this

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space with the things that we are experiencing.

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Why this is so dangerous and why it applies to

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the gospel is because these are very, very real

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experiences. These are very, very real things.

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And I would say at this point, like, yeah, great.

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The government's admitting this stuff is real,

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but they're not giving context. And why it's

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so dangerous is because you have these people

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over here who are giving answers. They are providing

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context. They are providing methods of interaction.

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An example, I would say, would be Jesse Michael's

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podcast on American Alchemy. He did one about

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four weeks ago, speaking of Jake Barber's book.

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Well, Jake Barber, if you watch his interviews,

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he talks about this entity, this feminine entity,

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and the ecstasy he experienced interacting with

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it. Jesse Michaels discusses his book he discusses

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the entity and in that YouTube video which at

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now we checked it yesterday is at 900 ,000 views

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he walks you through Stephen Greer's contact

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protocol to reach out and Make contact with these

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things so now you've got almost a million people

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who are being led in how to contact non -human

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intelligence and Well, I want to get into that,

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but I also want to do it in the framework of

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your book. Yeah. Because, you know, as your publisher,

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I was interested in your book. I really didn't

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know where it was going to go. I knew that people

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were starting to talk about this. I heard or

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read that people like Steven Spielberg said that

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his movie was going to cause Christians to really

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doubt their faith. And I'm going like, you know,

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somebody needs to speak up with it. But I felt

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that your book had kind of two parts. One is

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it was almost like an apologetic and went into

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all the things in the Bible that I knew, but

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I'd never looked at them from the way you did.

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So for example, the most obvious is probably

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Ezekiel's wheel within a wheel. But even Angel

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appearing to Mary or Elijah going up in a whirlwind

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and those kinds of stories, when you look at

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it, You know because some of this UAP stuff is

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they go through walls and they appear and then

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they disappear and but actually a lot of the

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angelic activity in the Bible or certainly the

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demonic and you explain it where it's like well

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You know because I always wonder how the world

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through all of time did this not exist and then

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suddenly in 1947 or 1948 it was everywhere, right?

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And your book kind of explains that. And then

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you also go through these people. Stephen Greer

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is probably the main one. I barely knew who he

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was, but he's very influential. And he's developed,

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should I say, almost a religious type of fervor

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and belief system that taps into New Age and

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Hinduism and the Baha 'i. You know, I don't live

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in those kind of worlds. I just stay away from

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that kind of stuff. I believe the Bible, and

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I'm not interested in really. But when you look

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at this big picture, or I should say you did,

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I found the book very, very helpful to begin

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to put everything together. So let me ask you,

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why did you decide it was important to write

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the book? To your point on that, with Stephen

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Greer, that religious fervor, that religious

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guidance, and that's why I brought up American

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Alchemy. and him walking you through those steps

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to make contact. And then at the end, he gives

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almost a religious call to partake in it, and

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that, hey, this is a capability inherent to all

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of us. The reason I wrote the book is because

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guys like Stephen Greer, who do have a following

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and influence, Chris Bledsoe, Diana Pasulka,

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there are people providing religious answers.

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I'd never heard of. Right. But they're very prominent,

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and they're very influential. So now the question

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is, what is the church's response? How do we

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have gospel conversations in a rapidly changing

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spiritual environment with this all involved

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in it? You know, we have people that we interact

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with that do Stephen Greer's protocols or Chris

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Bled's. Why don't you explain about that? So

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basically, Stephen Greer's protocol, he calls

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it CE5, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. And

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he defines that as human -initiated contact with

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non -human intelligence. He was given it when...

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And his stage, you remember the five stages?

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Because... I don't remember. So basically, he

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says... Because each stage is different. Like,

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I think Co -occurring Encounters of the Fourth

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Kind is a person being taken up into a craft.

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I think.

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Again, don't quote me because I can't remember.

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But I know that each day is like one is they

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see a craft one is like there's an. stuff left

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behind like material or evidence or you know

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where there's like a field yeah and there's like

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a big circle right that you can see from the

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air yes that was like why did it happen right

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that would be considered one of the ce2 or something

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again i i don't fully remember doesn't help again

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i apologize i'm a bit fragment if i am fragmented

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i got hit by a truck on my bicycle and was unconscious

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for a little bit about four weeks ago so i'm

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still recovering from a concussion which is just

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the warfare around this, because that literally

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happened right after I submitted the transcript

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to you guys. So when we look at that CE5 protocol,

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basically he walks you through meditative steps.

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You can actually download an app to guide you

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in it to be able to interact and basically call

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things down. He also has CE5 events where he

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will have people come out and they will go through

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this protocol together collectively. And then

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craft will show up. Entities will have pictures

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of this where entities will show up. People have

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claimed that there was a guy that was deaf. And

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on close encounters of the Fifth Kind documentary

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that came out a few years ago, he actually gives

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his testimony that after they did this protocol

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and this entity came in, that his hearing returned.

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He didn't have to have hearing aids anymore.

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He was healed. So the reason I wrote the book

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is I approached it, yes, I do tell and discuss

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interactions and spiritual things that happen

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to us in the process. I don't go into the nature

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of the intelligence community or our platform.

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What I do is focus on things we've experienced,

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but then I approached the religious side that

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you're talking about, kind of like Mormonism.

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Back in the 70s, you remember Mormonism was just

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spreading like crazy across the US and the church.

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Well, actually, it's the 1800s. Yeah, you're

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right. But Walter Martin. Remember, Walter Martin

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stood up. He said, OK, guys, we're going to take

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this. We're going to take Joseph Smith. We're

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going to take Brigham Young. We're going to take

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the Mormon theology, and we're going to test

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that against the text. So what I tried to do

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was not get into all the crazy nuance, but hit

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enough that you get the overarching understanding

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of what's occurring, the belief system. And there's

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variations by different people you talk to, so

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you're kind of going to get a flavor for whatever

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you want. But taking those overarching narratives,

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messages, beliefs, and practices and testing

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them against the scripture, because it does matter.

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This matters very much to the gospel and people's

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eternities because, you know, how as you as a

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Christian, this is now mainstream. These people

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are becoming very mainstream. you have somebody

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that's done one of these practices, interacted

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with something, seen something. You know, they're

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looking, you know, we live in very much a doom

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-scrolling Instagram generation where, well,

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it's an influencer speaking it. They are authoritative.

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So, and they have validating evidence, it seems.

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So, you know, that's the truth, right? And the

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problem is, is that in there, one of the things

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I point out And if you actually live in the space,

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what you find is that truth is being determined

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and validity is being determined by experience

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rather than the text. You know, Paul says to

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test all things, hold fast to that which is good.

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In 1 John, he says, test the spirits, whether

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they be from God. And in all these people's writings

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that I address, not one person tests what's going

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on against the scripture. Now, Chris Bledsoe,

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he discusses it, like, but he discusses it of

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saying, Well, when I read the Bible, this stuff,

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all this is out there. They're not really believers,

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are they? Well, I am not going to... I would

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say, you know, what is a believer? It's one that

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professes faith in Jesus Christ, right? Dina

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Pasolka, she claims to be a born -to -be believer.

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When she was a child, she became Catholic. In

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her book, she states there is a truth, but she's

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open to what it is. I am not the arbiter or judge

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of souls. right? Do you confess Jesus Christ,

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come in the flesh? Do you trust in Him for salvation?

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In fact, I'm going to be very careful on that

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question because I would say, if I had to look

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just from an objective, like, I wouldn't think

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so. But again, you know, Stephen Greer, you know,

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I would say no, simply from the fact that he's

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Baha 'i. He is, you know, given his beliefs.

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I would say no, he is not a biblically orthodox

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Christian. No, but he summons entities that Christians

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who believe in spiritual warfare would be called

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summoning demons. Yeah, absolutely. That's really

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what it is. You go right down and critique everything

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he believes and then you say that you love him,

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you're praying for him. Yeah. And I thought,

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you know, he's probably going to read this sometime.

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And I just thought that was a great way to almost

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like send him a message. Well, that's my prayer,

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right? You know, I get his, that's hard for me.

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I love the guy. You know, he was an ER doctor.

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He got into this world. He He is being led by

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entities to do something that he truly believes

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is for the betterment of humanity. You know,

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he has good intentions, right? That doesn't,

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you know, just because maybe he gets something

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wrong or he's, and yes, would we say that he

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is an enemy of the gospel? Yes. But he's still,

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I still love him. He's a lost soul, you know,

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and that's really what this guy, does that not

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matter to us? You know, I guess that's the big

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thing is we're fat, dumb, and happy sitting in

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our churches. It's like being overseas. You sit

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on a FOB, right? A FOB is a forward operating

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base. And there's people that will deploy, sit

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on the FOB, and they have jobs to do, but they're

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not going out, they're not running missions,

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they're not doing things. You're in a supporting

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role. But you got salsa night, you got coffee

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time, you got the, you know, in Kandahar they

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had the boardwalk with the TGI Fridays. And so

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we're sitting there fat, dumb, and happy. while

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there's war going on around. And the problem

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is, is that we in the church, we are very, we

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call them phobets, like hobbits, right? A hole

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in the ground that's very, you know, it's comfortable

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and warm, good food. But we call them phobets,

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right? And it's just a term that we use. And

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very much the church in that way has become that.

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We're fat, dumb and happy, sitting in our pews,

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getting our little feeding, and we're not actively

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engaging in the Great Commission. We're not doing

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what we were told to do. Give reasons for faith,

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preach the gospel, right? Make disciples of the

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nations. You know, we've relegated that to the

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people in the pulpit and the ministers. Ephesians

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4 is very clear. No, their job is to equip the

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saints for the work of the ministry, that they

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are to go out and do the work of the ministry.

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And so, you know, with those questions regarding

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Greer and my viewpoint, like, I love these people.

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Like, it's a soul. Christ died for them. Like,

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if He loved them enough to die for them, why

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would I have any, you know, angst against them?

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And knowing Him personally, seeing His heart,

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seeing the things that He has done, He truly

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is good intentions, and He is doing what He feels

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is the best for humanity. I can't fault the guy

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for that, but my concern, my big concern, me

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and a couple others within the platform, is first

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the church. The world is talking about this.

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People are giving answers. Okay, well, given

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Instagram, TikTok, YouTube culture, podcase space,

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I guarantee you people in your church are being

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exposed to this. Now the question is, again,

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I don't know people's bodies. I don't know the

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sheep that they're overseeing. I don't know how

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strong they are in the text. But I do know that

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on the last study, major study, only 6 % of Christians,

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like professing Christians, hold a biblical worldview

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based on seven core principles, which are just

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very basic. So we don't hold biblical worldviews.

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We don't know the text. And so from that perspective,

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how am I going to test what people are saying?

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If they're providing evidence, we are a very

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experiential based people. So, oh, it feels good.

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It looks good. It looks real. Maybe, like I had

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a conversation with a buddy of mine. who's a

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chaplain and was discussing all these things

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with him, and he was very honest. I appreciated

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his humility. He said, if you hadn't had this

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conversation with me, and the government comes

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out and says, hey guys, aliens are real, it would

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have made me really question, okay, well, what

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about my faith? How does this line up with Bible?

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Like, what does this mean? And the reason that's

00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:12.839
important is because there's a lot of people

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that are presenting, again, they're presenting

00:27:15.130 --> 00:27:17.829
it in a couple different ways. One way within

00:27:17.829 --> 00:27:20.630
the space that they're presenting it is that

00:27:20.630 --> 00:27:23.150
the ancient cultures, the people of the Bible,

00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:26.630
well, this ultimately is this non -human intelligence

00:27:26.630 --> 00:27:29.049
source, but they were just presenting themselves

00:27:29.049 --> 00:27:31.730
within the cultural or religious context that

00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:35.970
those people understood, or this non -human intelligence

00:27:36.250 --> 00:27:39.589
They had a ufo uap non -human intelligence experience

00:27:39.589 --> 00:27:42.170
and the people just wrote about it and interpreted

00:27:42.170 --> 00:27:46.250
it within their religious cultural context So

00:27:46.250 --> 00:27:49.670
you have the church body? That's being exposed

00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:53.730
to this If you're not answering questions, I

00:27:53.730 --> 00:27:56.430
you know people are inquisitive by nature Usually

00:27:56.430 --> 00:27:58.950
almost no pastors would answer the rest. So so

00:27:58.950 --> 00:28:00.509
most of them don't even know what's going on

00:28:00.509 --> 00:28:03.349
Right, and that's but that's why this is so so

00:28:03.349 --> 00:28:06.779
major and so dangerous and why it matters If

00:28:06.779 --> 00:28:08.720
you're not going to give answers, people will

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.940
find answers. So if they're getting answers,

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.819
they're counter to Scripture, will that cause

00:28:14.819 --> 00:28:18.400
them to walk away from the faith? In Encounters,

00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.619
Diana Pasolka in her book Encounters actually

00:28:20.619 --> 00:28:23.400
discusses that, where there were people that

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:25.880
came from religious backgrounds and their experiences

00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:29.000
and research, it broke their faith. But now they're

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:31.519
like, well, I have a greater understanding now

00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.799
of what this is. So they walked away from the

00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.079
faith. Some people do a syncretized version,

00:28:36.579 --> 00:28:39.140
which is like Chris Bledsoe, who's got this syncretized

00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:43.400
system that is ultimately very demonic. It is

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.119
satanic in nature. When you look at the things

00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.640
he is doing, the book opens up with him practicing

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.519
necromancy. You have all of this stuff, right?

00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:54.579
So again, a different flavor for whatever you

00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:57.700
want. But for the church, my concern is that

00:28:57.700 --> 00:29:01.180
if you don't provide answers, to what's going

00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:04.019
on, or you're not addressing these people's answers,

00:29:04.460 --> 00:29:08.200
then people may walk away. The second thing is

00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.000
for the church itself in sharing the gospel.

00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:15.000
Like, the lost has to matter to us. Like, that

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.200
has to start mattering to us again. And so now

00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.799
you've got a religious system that people are

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.339
pursuing. That's why I throw that number out

00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:25.019
there. You're talking about the UAP. The UAP,

00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:27.440
yeah, yeah. So again, Jesse Michaels, you've

00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.799
got, again, just on YouTube. That's not including

00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.140
Apple Podcasts and Spotify. That's almost a million

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:37.339
people that have been led into contact. That

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:41.000
is almost a million souls. That doesn't matter

00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:46.119
to us. Like, how are you going to have that conversation

00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:48.900
with somebody that's done that? How will you

00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:51.640
share the gospel? Like, how are you going to

00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.799
defend the faith in that? Like, at some point,

00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:00.240
the lost has to matter to us, and Christ His

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.859
sacrifice has to matter to us To where we say

00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:08.019
you gave everything for me now I'm willing to

00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:10.420
give everything for you. You love them enough

00:30:10.420 --> 00:30:14.000
to die for them You gave me the ministry of reconciliation

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.079
My job is to sow seed and water and we've got

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.400
to get serious about that and the greatest the

00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:25.240
most terrifying verse for me and The couple guys

00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:27.480
on my platform when we were discussing this whole

00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.529
thing and I know ultimately when it started,

00:30:30.130 --> 00:30:35.809
was in Ezekiel, the prophet is told, if I say

00:30:35.809 --> 00:30:38.150
to the wicked man, you will die in your wicked

00:30:38.150 --> 00:30:41.369
ways and you do not warn him, I will require

00:30:41.369 --> 00:30:46.049
his blood of you. That is terrifying because

00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:51.990
God states through the prophet that he is going

00:30:51.990 --> 00:30:55.269
to hold the blood of the unsaved at the hands

00:30:55.269 --> 00:30:59.460
of the saved. if we do not warn them. So your

00:30:59.460 --> 00:31:02.640
book is really your way of warning people. Yeah.

00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:08.299
It is a hopes and prayer that, and a way of equipping,

00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:12.220
I pray, the church to have a greater understanding,

00:31:12.579 --> 00:31:14.960
not of the, yes of the phenomena you could say,

00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:17.599
because again, looking at the whole of everything,

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.039
testing against the text of scripture, understand

00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.819
the belief system that has now formed and got

00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:28.240
serious legs moving out. How do I address it

00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.240
one for myself? People within my initial orbit

00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.539
and then how do I have those gospel conversations

00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:37.539
as this? Continues to to spread. Well, let me

00:31:37.539 --> 00:31:40.640
ask you something the first time I heard your

00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.839
name There was a brouhaha line about some kind

00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.299
of secret meeting that you had with some leaders

00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:50.579
That you are warning them about something. Are

00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:52.759
you able to elaborate on what really happened?

00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:59.660
Yes, so there there was Again, part of the, aside

00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:03.359
from everything we were doing, which doesn't

00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.859
ultimately matter within this space, that's not

00:32:06.859 --> 00:32:09.079
what matters. One of the things that we had tried

00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.579
to do in the process was we saw this coming.

00:32:13.019 --> 00:32:15.619
We saw, we knew at some point, just because there

00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:18.059
was so much talk about it with congressional

00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:20.759
hearings and other stuff going on, like we knew

00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:24.079
at some point that since the government's talking

00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:27.420
about this, the official position will be disclosure.

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.079
Like, hey guys, it's real. And so what we didn't,

00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.839
as we saw that space changing, we saw the amount

00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.160
the government was talking about this. What we

00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.559
did, and we were seeing this religious belief

00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.140
system, through that process, at times, we would

00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:46.680
try to make contact with pastors of all varying

00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.650
sorts. We've spoken to pastors from Catholicism,

00:32:51.029 --> 00:32:54.470
to SDAs, to Protestant, to hyper -charismatic,

00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:57.390
to very hardcore fundamentalist, cessationist,

00:32:57.509 --> 00:33:01.089
Calvinist. We've had these discussions with these

00:33:01.089 --> 00:33:03.109
pastors, and the goal was just to say, hey, look,

00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:07.109
guys, the government's talking about this. Here,

00:33:07.190 --> 00:33:10.490
look, Congress is talking about this. Look, we

00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:13.430
have whistleblower testimonies. Well, now that

00:33:13.430 --> 00:33:15.269
we can demonstrate to you the government's talking

00:33:15.269 --> 00:33:19.880
about this, Here is what is being said on the

00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.019
outside in response to that providing answers.

00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.660
Are you aware of any of this? What's your answer?

00:33:28.339 --> 00:33:31.460
And that was really the gist of it. And so as

00:33:31.460 --> 00:33:35.299
we were earlier this year, God opened some doors.

00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.960
We'd already talked to a few over the years.

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:44.220
And I ended up through a whole crazy God thing

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:48.220
of connection. Ending up meeting Tony Merkel

00:33:48.220 --> 00:33:50.640
last year after I'd gotten back from Haiti to

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:53.680
do a I pulled out a Missionary me and two other

00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:55.220
guys went down to pull a missionary couple out

00:33:55.220 --> 00:34:00.019
of a missionary couple out out of Haiti Was going

00:34:00.019 --> 00:34:02.339
there to just make connections for the organization

00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.859
I did that with and ended up making connections

00:34:04.859 --> 00:34:06.799
with Tony Merkel who I'd never heard of at that

00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.019
point we talked we discussed it was really good

00:34:10.019 --> 00:34:13.980
and He kind of lined up spiritually on that realm

00:34:13.980 --> 00:34:15.840
of things. I just said, hey, yeah, kind of what

00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.659
you're saying about this stuff is true from what

00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:20.800
he was telling me. Again, I'd never watched him.

00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:26.239
And so earlier this year, as we saw how vibrant,

00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.579
you could say, the whole disclosure thing was

00:34:28.579 --> 00:34:31.539
becoming, especially with Age of Disclosure coming

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:34.599
out in December and with Disclosure Day and then

00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.699
the congressional hearings, and we saw how again,

00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:41.800
just how vast this movement was on the belief

00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.579
side, we were like, we've really got to start

00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.780
working to make these connections. So we'd set

00:34:47.780 --> 00:34:54.119
up a meeting with local pastors, and Tony calls

00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:57.320
me out of nowhere and just says, hey, I don't

00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:59.539
know why I'm supposed to call you. So I was like,

00:35:00.099 --> 00:35:02.199
well, that's kind of crazy because we're just

00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.360
having this meeting with these pastors. So had

00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.000
one locally. And in that meeting, again, that's

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.829
all we did. We had to tell them like look, we're

00:35:09.829 --> 00:35:11.789
not going to give you the doubts of the intelligence

00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:14.150
community We're not going to talk about this.

00:35:14.150 --> 00:35:16.130
All we're saying is look have you are you aware

00:35:16.130 --> 00:35:18.269
of this? Are you aware of this congressional

00:35:18.269 --> 00:35:20.530
hearing? Are you aware of this documentary? Are

00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:22.110
you aware of this government official saying

00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:24.769
this? Okay, and the whole purpose of that was

00:35:24.769 --> 00:35:27.590
just to say look they're talking about it. All

00:35:27.590 --> 00:35:30.150
right. Now here's these people These are the

00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:33.110
answers they're giving What's your answer? So

00:35:33.110 --> 00:35:38.480
we did that then we hit the next week That's

00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.760
when Tony connected me within that meeting, and

00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.239
we wanted it quiet, because we were still working,

00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.599
right? And we just didn't want, there's a lot

00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.679
of that with just protection and just trying

00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:54.159
to be quiet about things while we are still working,

00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:55.559
because due to the nature of the things that

00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.699
we were doing, we didn't want to be out there.

00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.239
I prefer even than this. This is not fun for

00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:07.139
me. But with that meeting, We did same thing.

00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:10.119
Hey guys, I'd never heard of any of them. I only

00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.099
had met one of them online on tik -tok at once

00:36:13.099 --> 00:36:17.639
But basically we did the same thing. Here's what

00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.699
the government saying guys Here's what the narratives

00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:24.099
and messages are which is that it kind of ties

00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:27.619
into New Age and yeah Exactly. Well all of those

00:36:27.619 --> 00:36:29.559
different things, right? Again, it's just these

00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.179
are what they're saying Here's the text is and

00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:36.099
almost yep some of these things. Yeah bring UAPs

00:36:36.099 --> 00:36:38.320
into your life to experience. Yeah, whatever

00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.179
exactly and you know in an earlier time We would

00:36:41.179 --> 00:36:43.360
have said that they were summoning demons and

00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.440
maybe yes They are well, and that's and that's

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.039
where other people in the space would counter

00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.820
and saying then they don't like that They oh

00:36:49.820 --> 00:36:54.239
you there these they're not aware this like they're

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:56.219
just saying it's demons. It's fallen angels they

00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:58.949
got to stop saying that because Like we have

00:36:58.949 --> 00:37:02.690
this and that, you know, we have evidence, like

00:37:02.690 --> 00:37:06.369
this is not demonic. And again, it's like, well,

00:37:06.769 --> 00:37:09.070
like some people I've heard online will say,

00:37:09.489 --> 00:37:11.750
well, you can't explain craft, you can't explain

00:37:11.750 --> 00:37:14.530
bodies. It's like, well, I mean, I'm gonna approach

00:37:14.530 --> 00:37:18.250
this from a strategic perspective, right? If

00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:21.630
I am working to deceive and I'm running a psychological

00:37:21.630 --> 00:37:25.190
operation, deceive a population, what do I need

00:37:25.190 --> 00:37:28.900
to validate my deception? Well, I would I mean

00:37:28.900 --> 00:37:31.139
again, this is just me given the nature of all

00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:33.500
the interactions giving the whole test against

00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:36.679
the text Can you give me the limitations of a

00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.840
fallen angel? Why can't they create craft? Why

00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.619
couldn't they produce bodies somehow they were

00:37:42.619 --> 00:37:44.940
in according to Jude they were able to disrobe

00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:47.820
and leave their first estate their habitation

00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:52.940
and somehow breed with women as based in Genesis

00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:55.639
6 Like, you can't give me the limitations of

00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:58.099
a fallen angel nor what their capabilities are.

00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:02.079
And so from that, I'm going to say, well, OK,

00:38:02.300 --> 00:38:05.659
if I'm, again, running a deception operation

00:38:05.659 --> 00:38:10.539
to influence, I'm going to present evidence.

00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.840
I'm going to have people I maneuver and play

00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.719
to sow different narratives for people to pick

00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.400
up on and start believing. And now I've got physical

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.739
validation. And again, just because something's

00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:27.880
real doesn't make it right or true. There are

00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:30.820
many things that are true, but they run completely

00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:34.900
counter to the text of scripture. So that's where

00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:40.880
in this process, I lost my train of thought with

00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.539
your question. Oh, but the meeting, that's where

00:38:43.539 --> 00:38:45.300
with all of that, we were just kind of like,

00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:49.030
hey, These are the answers. So there was a lot

00:38:49.030 --> 00:38:52.630
of hoopla about the meetings and I will clarify

00:38:52.630 --> 00:38:57.590
One person one of the guys that came out Perry

00:38:57.590 --> 00:39:01.090
Stone The meeting he was discussing was not our

00:39:01.090 --> 00:39:03.829
meeting. We found that out later I had a call

00:39:03.829 --> 00:39:06.610
from a seventh group guy who said hey, are you

00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:09.750
aware of this pastor said never heard of him?

00:39:10.670 --> 00:39:13.590
That was the meeting that Perry Stone was talking

00:39:13.590 --> 00:39:16.920
about So there was a lot of confusion and we

00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.059
found out through different networks There was

00:39:19.059 --> 00:39:22.139
actually multiple meetings ran by multiple people

00:39:22.139 --> 00:39:24.639
around the same time that we had no knowledge

00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:27.940
of we had no clue who these people are and Based

00:39:27.940 --> 00:39:30.320
on the accounts of some of those people like

00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.619
there were people that were legitimate government

00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:35.380
officials Like showing badges and stuff like

00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:38.400
that. We're I'm unaware of those I don't know

00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.960
who those people are but that so that's where

00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.630
a lot of that confusion came from so Don't know

00:39:44.630 --> 00:39:47.309
what was said in those meetings. I can only state

00:39:47.309 --> 00:39:50.710
regarding this so yes, I am a retired Green Beret

00:39:50.710 --> 00:39:53.250
Yes, the legitimate thing is I was working in

00:39:53.250 --> 00:39:57.809
intelligence platform. However like it wasn't

00:39:57.809 --> 00:40:00.630
necessarily all the craziness that some people

00:40:00.630 --> 00:40:03.090
may have pushed it out as because that's not

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:05.949
what we said we just simply Gave those three

00:40:05.949 --> 00:40:09.750
things. I've kind of stated Well as we wrap this

00:40:09.750 --> 00:40:13.250
up And there's so much more we could get into

00:40:13.289 --> 00:40:15.550
So much more in the book. I hope people will

00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:17.090
actually get the book Why don't you look at the

00:40:17.090 --> 00:40:20.710
camera and tell people that maybe? Barely know

00:40:20.710 --> 00:40:23.329
anything about UAPs or hearing about this or

00:40:23.329 --> 00:40:26.090
wanting to know what to understand What your

00:40:26.090 --> 00:40:28.289
book will give them and why they should read

00:40:28.289 --> 00:40:34.489
it so I'm going to caveat this by saying even

00:40:34.489 --> 00:40:40.570
if you don't get my book Know your Bible More

00:40:40.570 --> 00:40:45.320
than anything right If we know this, then anything

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.840
else, if we know the true and the word of God,

00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.679
then no matter what comes out, we can test it.

00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.199
If entities show up and they're saying, hey,

00:40:56.360 --> 00:41:01.460
we're aliens, test that. Who do you claim? Do

00:41:01.460 --> 00:41:04.119
you claim Jesus Christ, God come in the flesh,

00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.900
died, rose again the third day? Put everything,

00:41:08.260 --> 00:41:11.210
especially now in this space, to the text. to

00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:15.889
the test against the text. So my book, if you

00:41:15.889 --> 00:41:19.010
get it, great. If you don't, man, know your Bible,

00:41:19.409 --> 00:41:24.710
but my book is going to provide you a good grasp

00:41:24.710 --> 00:41:27.110
and understanding of what the major narratives

00:41:27.110 --> 00:41:30.710
are, what the belief system is teaching that

00:41:30.710 --> 00:41:33.969
is formed within this space, test it against

00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.250
the scripture so you will have a better understanding

00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:39.750
of where our nation and the world is going. and

00:41:39.750 --> 00:41:43.630
what kind of the stances of a vast part of the

00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:46.630
population who are following these people and

00:41:46.630 --> 00:41:50.210
being affected by them. That's what you'll get

00:41:50.210 --> 00:41:53.150
out of that book. Well, Paul, I want to thank

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you for taking time, and I would encourage people

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to get the book. It's called The Disclosure Agenda,

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A Green Beret's Warning to the Church About UFOs,

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Aliens, and Their Emerging Religion. And there's

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a lot in those few words, and the book Like I

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said, I've read it word for word. I learned a

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lot. It's a very interesting read. I hope the

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people will get it. So thank you for watching

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