(324) "Desperate for Discernment" with Reshma Allen

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Why do we cry out for anything when we are desperate?

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There comes a time that we just fall to our knees

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and are desperate, and we weep and weep and weep

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because we are desperate. We need an answer.

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We need a breakthrough. So I believe with all

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of my heart, this is what the Bible is saying,

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cry out for discernment. It takes a lot to really

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cry out from the depths of our spirit for something.

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You know, we just can't have it. Or somebody

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can just impart it into us. People are like,

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just impart that into you. You can't. You have

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to search for it yourself. God promised us in

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Joel 2 .28 to pour out of His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to global outpouring. Are we content

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for that promised outpouring? Are we equipped

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for that outpouring? So that we may engage in

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that very outpouring. I'm Philip Walsh. And I'm

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Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We

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have with us a dear friend, Reshma Allen, who

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is very, very, very authoritative on the subject

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of discernment. And she's just written a book

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called Discern. And with these days that we have

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all of this deception around us, where people

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are lying and computers are lying and the media

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and... Politicians and all kinds of people are

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lying to us all around us. You have to have the

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truth of the word of God in your spirit and the

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Holy Spirit helping you to discern. Thanks so

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much for joining us today. We're really delighted

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that you're with us. And we know that you're

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going to be blessed by this. And the Lord is

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going to use this podcast, this episode. to help

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to sharpen your discernment and to help you get

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ready for the things that you're going to face

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today and tomorrow. I mean, this is a now thing,

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an absolute now subject of discernment. But before

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we get started, we want to encourage you, if

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you haven't already done so, to go to our website,

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globaloutpouring .net. Make sure that you have

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subscribed to our email lists. We have some to

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choose from, but the one that comes out around

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three times a week is probably the best one for

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right now. Just get tuned in with us because

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there's other things that you can hear about

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that are available to you, and there's lots of

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other things on our website. There's coming events,

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and there are lots of blogs. bookstore, an amazing

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bookstore. And there's a place where you can

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donate. We would be so grateful if you would

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help us out to keep going with this podcast.

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This is an amazing thing that we feel is helping

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us to reach the nations. And I was just looking

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at the stats. We're reaching 120 -something.

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nations with this podcast. And we're excited

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about the prospects of meeting the needs of people

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in the nations. Our hearts are really all about

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missions. And so help us out if you would, if

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you feel led by the Holy Spirit. We want to not

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compel you, but to ask you to consider what's

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the Holy Spirit saying. And also on our website,

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you're going to find on the event page, the place

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to click to find out about the School of the

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Supernatural Translation by Faith. That's going

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to be here in our headquarters at Angletal, the

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Valley of Angels, where you can come here and

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learn from Bruce and Reshma Allen and Michael

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and Gordana van Vlijmen and learn the things

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that the Lord has taught them about translation

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by faith. It's a very, very real, godly, biblical

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subject. And all those people that are out there

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doing the imitation stuff, you know, they're

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getting their power from the wrong side. And

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that's where we need discernment. And that's

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what Reshma teaches in this school. So I really

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encourage you to come. So click on our events

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tab and click on the information about the school

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and scroll down and see what all the details

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are. And you can register right there and participate.

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It's going to be September 7th through 12th.

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travel on the day before and the day after, because

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they're full -day sessions, and it's going to

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be an amazing time of growing in God and getting

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new understanding of the Word of God and what

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God has in store for us as we seek His face,

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as we grow in the things of God, and how He wants

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to use us. Because Jesus said, you're going to

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do greater works. You've got to see that there

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are greater works than what he did. But if we're

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not even doing the works that he did, we're behind

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the curve. So he translated a lot. You can see

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that. Remember, he was in the boat with the disciples,

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and the next thing, they were at their destination.

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So there's lots of things that God has ahead

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for us, and we want to encourage you to come

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and study with us. let God build you and prepare

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you. This is part of the equipping, the equipping

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of the saints to be prepared for whatever God

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has in terms of his outpouring of his spirit

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and the things that are going to be happening

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around about us. So let's enjoy this interview.

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Well, Reshma Allen, it is such a delight to have

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you with us again. We had this wonderful time

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with you and your husband a few weeks back, and

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I'm really, really excited to talk about your

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new book. on this one and maybe talk a little

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more about your background and a little bit more

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about the school that's coming up. So just welcome.

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Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank

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you so much for having me. I'm excited also to

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be with you. Yeah, I just feel like our listeners

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and our viewers are going to get something. some

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kind of a wake up. It's some tools. I think you're

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going to give us some tools because your teaching

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that you do in the school on discernment is so

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critical these days, especially. And it seems

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like the closer we get to the closing of time.

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the more our enemy is working to deceive. And

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after all, he's the father of lies and doesn't

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know anything. There's not a stitch of truth

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in him and all of his cohorts. So this is really

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an important, important message for everyone,

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everyone that's a believer in Jesus. We need

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the Holy Spirit to help us to discern. Yes, that

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is so true. And that's what my heart's desire

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is, that After today's podcast that hearts will

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be touched and change and yes, that they will

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receive some tools from the word of God. It is

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interesting the times and seasons that we live

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in and we look around us. There is deception

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all around us. Yes. And it's starting in the

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house of God. We see it everywhere. Yeah. And

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pretty interesting and pretty scary. And the

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scripture talks about in Matthew 24 that the...

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there will be a time that very elect will be

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deceived. And I have always wondered about that

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verse, and I believe it kind of keeps me in that

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place of humility. And it's a little nerve -wracking

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to hear that, that very elect can be deceived.

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You know, with AI out there now, it's like you

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can be looking at something, and it was manufactured.

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And it can really fool you. And then with the

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way technology is going, how it's increasing,

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we can see how people can get deceived so easily.

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That's true. Wow, we really need to sharpen up

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on discernment when you're looking at something.

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That's true. I just saw in the last few days,

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days, you know, within a week, you know, the

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ads that come on on YouTube because I'm. I don't

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like to spend money on subscriptions if I can

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help it. And so, you know, the ads come along

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and I saw this ad for, and it's a, you know,

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it's a Christian Bible study kind of a thing.

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And here's this pastor talking. You see that

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there's a screen behind him. And so he's talking

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and you see him moving on the screen too. So

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it looks like it's in church. And he gives this

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spiel about his Bible study. So, you know, sooner

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or later, the skip thing comes up. So I skipped

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it, right? Well, last night, the same ad came

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up, same exact words, but a totally different

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preacher. I thought, oh, I guess this is AI.

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It was very, very, it looked so real. It obviously

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wasn't. And you hear these voices that is an

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imitation voice of a familiar voice. And they're

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doing great with the script until they come up

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with a number. Yeah, we were listening to a Kenneth

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Hagin recording. Wow, this is really good. We've

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never heard this. And a friend of ours who listens

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to all the time everything he said. He sent it

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to us, and I've never heard this one before.

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This one's really dynamite. I mean, it's just

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really good. And then what did it say, the voice?

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I don't remember exactly what it was, but it

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was something to do with the way he was reading

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numbers. Instead of saying 1 ,000, he said 1

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-0 -0 -0. So we knew it because it copied his

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voice so precisely, but just a few things it

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didn't do, and I thought we got tricked. Even

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though it was really good, it was taken off one

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of his messages. It was probably something that

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was written, and they took the script and made

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this voice sound like him. So we won't use the

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word deceive. We'll say we were tricked. But

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you can see how it can go to deception. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's interesting. You have to be very careful

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who you listen to anymore. Almost you have to

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ask the Lord before you do anything or listen

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to anybody. And I've heard of another one that

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people are asking AI for prophecy. And this AI

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will tell them all these things about them. It

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will go online and find all the information you

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put out there. And from that, it will prophesy

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over you. And then this lady was actually advertising

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for it and encouraging people to go do that.

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Ask AI for prophecy. It's really scary. And she

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was so excited about it. And some months ago,

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we came home. My husband turned on his computer

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and all of a sudden this video comes up. And

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this video is about a friend of ours that we

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know personally and lives close to us. So what

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they did was she had gone last year to Africa,

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to a certain country to help her orphanage. So

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the friend that went with her took pictures.

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of her holding children, playing with children

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and all this. And she put it online on Facebook.

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And I don't know what other social media and

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our friend did now. And all of a sudden, somebody

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took those pictures and made this AI story video

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and put it online, showing this lady went to

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Africa, who she was. They did not have her. real

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you know identity like what she looked like but

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her name and also not everything true about her

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life like one of the things it said it's a woman

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a rich woman in america she had no children so

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she went to africa and then they put all these

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pictures of her And I adopted this kid and this

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kid grew up and this whole thing from that trip.

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And then I started looking at the comments. And

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of course, people were so touched by it, right?

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We are all drawn in by emotions. And they are

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so excited. They're saying, what a great lady

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and all that. And, of course, they make money,

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whoever put the video up, not knowing that this

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wasn't true. Yes, she did go to Africa, but the

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storyline was totally other than her experience.

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Wow. Yeah. It scared her. Especially since you

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know who it was. Right. Yeah. That's crazy. I

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think maybe God just lets you see that. So it

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gives us a little more idea of things that are

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going on. And some of these heart -wrenching

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stories that they put out on Facebook, it's like,

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is that even true? And if you're smart, before

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you forward it to somebody else and post it on

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your page, follow it up and make sure it's true.

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Like somebody sent me a thing yesterday that

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was about some, I won't even, give details about

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it, but some movie that we need to petition such

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and such a place to stop this movie because it's

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damaging. And it turns out that the movie was

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already released in 2022. I'm not going to waste

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my time on that one. Wow. Just so much deception.

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So much deception. Yikes. It's crazy. But now,

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before we get deeply into your book, It's obvious

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that we need discernment. We've established that

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very well right here at the beginning. But I

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want to establish for our listeners and our viewers,

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in case they didn't see your life story that

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we had some quite a while back now, but we'll

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put a link in the description. But I just want

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to give you an opportunity to share. what I think

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gives you tremendous authority in this because

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of how you grew up and your family coming out

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of Hinduism. And so there's this whole world

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of darkness that is in your personal experience.

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And so you come to the light of Jesus and everything

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changes. So give us a little bit of that background.

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Okay. So I was born and raised in Fiji Islands.

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My ethnic background comes from India. My grandfather

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was brought to Fiji in 1800s to work on the land

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as endangered laborer slash slave. So that was

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a really dark time in my country. But that's

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how Indians came to Fiji. And I was raised in

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a Hindu family and very strong Hindu family where

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they... Hindus are known to worship over 3 million

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gods. They can make gods out of anything and

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worship it. And there was a lot of rituals, a

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lot of activity in that, and all kinds of supernatural

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things that happened. And my grandmother used

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to be one of the priestesses, I would call her.

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She would invite spirits into her. And then she

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would perform these things. She would prophesy.

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She would read hands and all these things. But

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she changed when she did that during these rituals.

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The little girl, I'm watching this. People will

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come to our house to watch her and have her minister

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to them through prayer and through reading of

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hands and all these things. And also curses.

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People will also come and if they are going through

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some difficulty in their lives with somebody

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else, and that's one of the things they are known

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to do is cast curses on people. And so all these

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supernatural things. And one of the one fascinating

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things that I saw was when she invited this spirit

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in her, she will change. Here's our little...

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Grandma, her body, her movement of her eyes,

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her hands, her demeanor, everything will change,

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look different. And you could feel that something

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was happening to her when she called these spirits.

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So it was scary. It was very, very scary when

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she started doing that. And we will just basically

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run away. You know, the atmosphere, the feeling

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in the room would change. You could feel like

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evil. And so I knew that supernatural is very

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real. So when my family got saved and received

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Lord Jesus Christ as their Lord and God to worship,

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it took my grandma a long time. And she kept

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on doing these things. She lived in our house

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with us. For a while she did that, but then slowly

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she started moving away from it. My mom asked

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her if she had to stop. And so we saw also a

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change in her. And at the end of her life, she

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gave her heart to the Lord just like a couple

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weeks before she passed away. And it was the

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most fascinating thing to watch. But to share

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that part, so now when my family becomes... Christians,

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and we start reading the Word of God and we see

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all these supernatural acts in the Bible, it

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wasn't hard for me to believe that supernatural

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is real, that God can also send His angels and

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show us things of His realm and all that. But

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it never brought any fear. My mom would have

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visions. My mom would start seeing things as

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she prayed and worshipped Lord Jesus Christ and

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our Father. And when she saw things, when she

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worshipped, when she sang, and when she was in

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that state of prayer and taught us to pray as

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a family, we'll get together. It was peaceful.

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We felt love. We felt acceptance. There was a

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beautiful atmosphere, a feeling that we... I

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wasn't afraid, just like before when my grandmother

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did her things, the Hindu things, there was like

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terror. But instead of terror, my mom's face

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would change into, I would say, it will shine.

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You know, you'll see the love, the happiness.

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There was no fear. And so for me, it wasn't hard

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to believe that. Growing up in the church and

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studying the Word of God and then going to Bible

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college, you know, the supernatural things of

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God were read from the Bible and told in the

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church. But one thing that was missing was we

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were never taught that God can use us in the

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same way today. That our eyes could be open,

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our ears could be open. If God wanted, He could

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show Himself. If God wanted, he could send his

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messengers and we as humans could literally see

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it with our own eyes. Things like that were never

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taught. It felt like that when it was taught

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that, you know, it happened in the past. It's

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just Bible stories, you know, that these things

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God did. But that's one thing I personally learned

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that it belongs to us when I came to the United

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States, being married to my husband. Wow. You

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know, he started talking about these things and

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seeing things. And I'm like, wait a minute. Really?

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Wait a minute. God can use me like that. God

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can show me things. Wow. So that's a little bit

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of background. I hope that helps. Yeah. Yeah.

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But you learned a level of discernment even as

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a child. Of seeing the difference between the

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supernatural evil and the supernatural good.

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Even though like if your mother was having visions,

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that's already supernatural good. Even if even

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if you were taught that that doesn't happen anymore.

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Right. Right. And then I had my own dreams and

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visions. I started as I started studying the

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word of God and reading it for myself and started

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praying. I used to have these dreams that when

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I was a little girl of things happening in the

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world, that was really interesting. I believe

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now for past. Since I've been married for 24

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years, growing in God, now I look back and believe

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those were prophetic dreams that God gave me.

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Because, see, the other thing that happened was

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also, though my family became Christians, the

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way women were treated in the church were a little

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different. Seeing Indian culture in my home,

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I'm not saying everywhere. I'm saying in my home,

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in my area, among my people where I lived, a

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woman's life was basically dictated. And you

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couldn't talk much about supernatural. And you

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were basically told what to say, what not to

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say. You weren't given that much voice. So when

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we became Christians, you know, things started

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happening and we will share something. And the

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church, it came into the church, that feeling.

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The way they treated women, because they did

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not believe that women could see visions or God

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could speak to them or women are to stand up

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and share, you know, and share from the word

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of God. If God was, let's say you, a woman was

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reading a passage from the Bible, God gave a

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revelation or showed something she wasn't really

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allowed to stand up and share, you know, so stuff

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like that. I believe that religious thing came

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into the church. what was in the culture, the

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way women were treated and looked at. So it was

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an Indian culture church, in other words. Yeah,

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it was Indian. I was going to ask that. So it

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came into the church, and that's how we were

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treated. So it was really interesting, but I

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would have dreams and visions. I would have dreams

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and visions, so I would tell my family, and they

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kind of pushed it away. You are a female. You

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know, you can't be seeing this. This is not God.

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They thought I was having dreams from the enemy

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instead of. I actually saw end of the world when

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I was little. Things falling apart in the world,

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evil coming in. But I was never touched in those

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dreams. And then you read the scriptures and

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the Bible talks about it's going to be a day

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of reckoning for everything. Yeah, so I would

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have dreams and visions about different things

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the time I was young. Wow. So you came to the

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United States and you married Bruce Allen. And

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little by little, things began to develop. And

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he mentioned in the podcast that we had a few

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weeks ago. about how he was challenged by the

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Holy Spirit. You know, the question was asked

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to him, can a man be translated by faith? And

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so as he began to learn more and more about this,

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then little by little, the Lord led to begin

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having schools. And so he was teaching and you

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were listening. And then what happened then?

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Yeah, so I come and we get married and my husband

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was a person that traveled all over the world

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and in country where Lord took him to different

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places. And so I'm just traveling with my husband,

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different parts of this country and around the

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world. And he started teaching in Bible colleges,

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in churches and ministry and all different kinds.

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And so I'm there. I thought as a wife, I was

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just to sit there. And be supportive and agree

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and all that, right? And I didn't have to do

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nothing and pray for him and pray behind the

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scenes. But then he will share these things.

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Like when he's done ministering, he will come

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and he will say to me, Reshma, did you see that?

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Did you hear that? Did you see what was going

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on in that corner? Or what was happening with

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this person? I'm like, what are you talking about?

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See what? I didn't see nothing. I didn't feel

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nothing. And, you know, I didn't see anything

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on that person. And he started describing to

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me, he will say that I saw the presence of the

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Lord and this is what it looked like. Oh, I saw

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a presence of an angel and a vision or this person

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here, this person started glowing and I opened

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my mouth and that's how I was able to prophesy.

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See, I wasn't very versed in prophecy and words

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of knowledge either. Was it part of your culture?

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Right. So the heavens were open and he will see

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these things and then he will minister to the

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people what he's seeing and what the Lord is

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saying. And I see people's lives change. Wow.

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And I was like, oh, wow. And then people started

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walking up to me and asking me questions. They

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wanted to hear what the wife had to say. And

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they would say to me, do you see like your husband

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does also? You know, what do you have to say

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about that? And do you see angels also? Do you

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see presence of the Lord like he does? And they

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started sharing with me. And I was like, no,

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I don't like him. But I was quick to say, yet.

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There you go. There you go. I will say to them

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in the beginning that I'm learning also just

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like you do. And I'm not there yet. This is new

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for me too. I felt like it was very important

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for me to say that because I could have made

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up a story. I could have lied. palace of my husband

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and go into this pity party. Why can't I see?

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Why can't I hear? You know, what is wrong with

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me? All these things we all face, I believe,

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not only me in ministry. Sometimes we face that

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and these thoughts and we try to put in our head.

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And I said to them, no, but I will. So I went

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home in my prayer time and I said to the Lord,

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I said, Lord, I know it's true and it's in your

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word. I'm ready when you are. I just give you

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myself. Please show me things if you need to.

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And one of the wisdom I believe that the Lord

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gave me was that from that time, after people

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start asking me these questions, what the wife

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had to say, and if I see or not, and I will go

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to a meeting with my husband. And before the

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meeting started, I will sit down, close my eyes

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and start praying. And I will say to the Lord,

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OK, Lord, is there anything you want me to see?

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Show me what's going on in the atmosphere of

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this church or in this ministry. Do you want

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me to talk to somebody or show? And I just started

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opening up myself. Show me what is happening

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in this room right now. And I was surprised when

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I started asking like that. I started seeing

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things. I will see a word on top of people's,

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I mean, right in front of their face or their

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forehead. And I will feel pain in my body, different

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parts of my body. At first, I thought that there

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was something wrong. Why am I having this terrible

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pain? Where did it come from? So I will start

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praying and rebuking. But later on, when the

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meeting was over, I would tell my husband. And

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he would say to me, Reshma, that wasn't you.

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That was a word of knowledge God was showing

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you. Somebody was struggling with that or somebody

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has a condition in that part of their body. So

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next time when you see something, please tell

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me. You know, tell me, because then he started

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asking me, Reshma, is there something that the

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.200
Lord has shown you, you want to share? And that

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was very, very kind of him. At first, I wouldn't.

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I will tell him, I will say, well, how about

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I tell you, I whisper to you and you say it out

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loud. So he started doing that just to help me

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to grow, to build confidence, I believe. And

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all of a sudden, yes. There was somebody with

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the pain. Yes, somebody was struggling with that

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word. Oh, yes, there's this question. And it

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was just amazing. And I was like, oh, wow, that's

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amazing. So that kind of pushed me into being

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more confident in asking the Lord more and more.

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And then I started seeing visions. Like one time

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we were in Seattle, Washington. And we went to

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this meeting and I just felt this deep agency

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in my spirit to, there was meal, not to have

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the meal, not to miss and mingle with the people,

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just going to the sanctuary and pray. So I went

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into the sanctuary and I started praying while

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people were still visiting and having a meal

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before the meeting. And all of a sudden I had

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this amazing vision of the sword of the Lord

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coming and hitting the ground. pleading the ground.

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And I'm like, that was interesting. What does

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that mean? And I just started praying for Seattle.

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I started praying for Seattle. And my husband

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gets up and he starts ministering. And all of

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a sudden he started prophesying that the Lord

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is saying, make your decision today because he's

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drawing a line. Which side are you going to be?

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And he just ministered this prophetic word powerfully

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and from the word of God that, you know, how

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as Christians, there comes a time that we have

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to make a decision what we want. We can't waver

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between two things. So things like that started

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happening to me. And in my personal prayer time,

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I will feel his presence. Sometimes I will feel

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that there is a stronger presence, that somebody

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is there. Stuff like that, but it never brought

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fear to me. So I believe as I opened up my heart

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and started asking the Lord, OK, it's in your

00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:04.339
word. So it's true. Now it can happen to me.

00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:06.380
You know, he's saying yesterday, today and forever,

00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:10.440
the word of God says so. And then I started where

00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.079
discernment started was then I started seeing

00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.700
things more and more in different gatherings

00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:19.740
around the world. And a certain time I will feel

00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:22.769
that was Lord. What was happening other times,

00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:26.549
I will feel that was not the Lord. What was happening

00:31:26.549 --> 00:31:29.809
in that area or with these people or the way

00:31:29.809 --> 00:31:32.670
things were manifesting in the church. And then

00:31:32.670 --> 00:31:37.369
the Lord gave me a word. And he said to me that

00:31:37.369 --> 00:31:43.450
my people need discernment. The Lord speaks to

00:31:43.450 --> 00:31:45.190
me. I'll be doing something like washing dishes

00:31:45.190 --> 00:31:47.849
or folding clothes. All of a sudden, I will have

00:31:47.849 --> 00:31:49.930
this statement out of nowhere just go through

00:31:49.930 --> 00:31:54.279
my head. And so that's how it started on discernment,

00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.359
and I started looking into it. And how did you

00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.640
start teaching it? So in the beginning, I will

00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:05.680
confess now to everybody. So in the beginning,

00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:10.440
I did not really start teaching it. I actually

00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.319
really didn't do a due diligence of looking into

00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.180
the Scripture, the Word, and what the Word of

00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:18.079
God was saying for a while, quite a few years,

00:32:18.140 --> 00:32:22.440
I would say. Whenever I had a chance, I will

00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.299
stand up, and if my husband called me up or a

00:32:25.299 --> 00:32:27.619
place we were ministering, the pastor will call

00:32:27.619 --> 00:32:30.660
me up and say, you know, greet the people. Is

00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:33.119
there something you want to share? I will say

00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.180
only this much, that the Lord says that we need

00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.819
discernment, that the church needs discernment,

00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.839
the body of Christ needs discernment in this

00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.180
hour. There are a lot of false things happening,

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:46.079
and I left it there. I didn't say anything more.

00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:50.990
But quite a few years ago, my husband and I and

00:32:50.990 --> 00:32:55.029
one more brother, we started sharing and teaching

00:32:55.029 --> 00:32:59.210
about the supernatural because my husband started

00:32:59.210 --> 00:33:02.869
having more dreams and visions, more seeing.

00:33:03.029 --> 00:33:06.410
And then we set up a program where we do a week

00:33:06.410 --> 00:33:08.150
-long teaching. We go through the scriptures

00:33:08.150 --> 00:33:11.400
because... People started sharing their dreams

00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.759
and visions. People started sharing their visitations

00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.839
to heaven. And they have written books about

00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.599
it, about heaven and hell and all these things.

00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:24.319
And we started seeing manifestations in the churches

00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:27.680
all over the world about different things. So

00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.220
I started seeing what was God and what wasn't.

00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.519
He did not sit right with me in places. So that's

00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.279
when I started. I'm like, okay, so I will say

00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:40.539
that much only that we need discernment. But

00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:44.940
then when we decided to set up a school and I

00:33:44.940 --> 00:33:47.880
started teaching because my husband is a man

00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.059
that likes to have the strong foundation of the

00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:54.440
Word of God. So he's sharing and then Michael

00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.660
is sharing. And there's a lot of supernatural

00:33:56.660 --> 00:34:01.480
testimonies and stories they are sharing. I believe

00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.759
this was from the Lord, and the Lord really impressed

00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:07.420
on my heart that I need to look into this word

00:34:07.420 --> 00:34:11.219
discernment and also start teaching it so there

00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:16.500
is a balance. That's good. For 15 years now,

00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.739
the word supernatural has become like a catchphrase.

00:34:20.269 --> 00:34:24.070
In the Christian world, everybody's talking about

00:34:24.070 --> 00:34:26.750
seeing angels. Everybody's talking about going

00:34:26.750 --> 00:34:29.889
to heaven, having different encounters, and coming

00:34:29.889 --> 00:34:32.690
and sharing about it. So around the world, when

00:34:32.690 --> 00:34:35.210
we're going around the world, we hear a lot of

00:34:35.210 --> 00:34:39.130
stories also. So some years ago, we had our bags

00:34:39.130 --> 00:34:42.230
packed. We were leaving for Philippines. We had

00:34:42.230 --> 00:34:44.869
been going to Philippines for a while now. And

00:34:44.869 --> 00:34:46.989
as we were leaving the house, my husband turns

00:34:46.989 --> 00:34:50.380
around and looks at me and he goes, you get ready,

00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:53.340
you are going to teach this time. And I just

00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:55.619
kind of looked at him like, whatever, just my

00:34:55.619 --> 00:34:59.840
husband speaking. He is a little bit of a jokester.

00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.579
Yes, you know what else happens, he's joking

00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:07.440
or not. So I'm like, whatever. So I did not pay

00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.659
attention to him. So we get to Philippines and

00:35:11.659 --> 00:35:14.719
we are in this hotel and all of a sudden I can

00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.269
tell that the Lord is speaking. And he is speaking

00:35:19.269 --> 00:35:22.349
inside of me. He's like, I'm going to speak.

00:35:22.489 --> 00:35:25.530
This word became what my husband said to me,

00:35:25.590 --> 00:35:29.789
very strong within me and my spirit that I am

00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.030
to stand up and share. Because I said to my husband,

00:35:32.150 --> 00:35:33.789
oh, they don't want to hear what I have to say.

00:35:34.769 --> 00:35:37.730
You are the man. And you're the anointed one.

00:35:38.329 --> 00:35:41.909
Sometimes my wife can feel that way. Of course,

00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.309
I'm the opposite. I just kind of, I can hide

00:35:44.309 --> 00:35:49.610
behind here. So, you know, because I think so

00:35:49.610 --> 00:35:52.670
also, I was a little insecure in that area a

00:35:52.670 --> 00:35:55.969
little bit because sometimes I like to talk behind

00:35:55.969 --> 00:35:58.349
the curtain. I like to share this. So one of

00:35:58.349 --> 00:36:00.289
the things I would say behind the curtain that

00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:02.710
I'd like to share, we went to different places.

00:36:03.469 --> 00:36:08.119
The way sometimes you are treated, can also you

00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.559
know shape your the way you see things and the

00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.760
way I was treated some places like totally ignored

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:18.559
I wasn't even there not even introduced not even

00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.480
you know it's stuff like that so the way I was

00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.639
you can tell when they just want to hear from

00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.659
one person you know so I think that that also

00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:30.300
kind of made me little but every time we went

00:36:30.300 --> 00:36:33.260
to Philippines our friend there Bishop Danielle

00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.880
Always, always accepted me. Always, always will

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.900
invite me to say something. It's just the most

00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.719
amazing couple. So we get there. I started getting

00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.599
very uncomfortable. And I said to the Lord, okay,

00:36:51.659 --> 00:36:55.260
first I need to repent. I said, Lord, I am so

00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:58.239
sorry. All these years you've been talking. He

00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:02.320
started talking to me now, I could say, 20 years

00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.679
ago. And I just started doing this probably 10,

00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.400
11 years ago. Really started coming out and teaching.

00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:14.239
I said, okay, Lord, I am so sorry that I did

00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.699
not honor what you have been saying by studying

00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:20.159
and preparing myself. But I have my Bible here

00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.900
and my notebook. I have not read anybody's information,

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:27.300
anybody's writings on discernment, no books.

00:37:27.780 --> 00:37:30.159
And I said, I have not looked up the scriptures.

00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:34.809
If you would just help me. and show me from the

00:37:34.809 --> 00:37:37.750
scriptures, and I will say it, whatever you show

00:37:37.750 --> 00:37:41.590
it to me. So he started showing me scriptures

00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:44.110
right then, right then. Started taking me to

00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:48.210
different verses, and I was able to write down

00:37:48.210 --> 00:37:50.909
this little message. And for the first time,

00:37:50.909 --> 00:37:55.860
I spoke publicly for an hour. Good for you. So

00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:59.780
that's how it started. And now, you know, it's

00:37:59.780 --> 00:38:02.500
expanded and he gave me more as I've been teaching

00:38:02.500 --> 00:38:04.960
in the schools. I almost teach two hours a day

00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.880
for five days or 16. So, yeah, so that's how

00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.460
it all started. So from that, from these hours

00:38:12.460 --> 00:38:17.539
of teaching several days a week, you have distilled

00:38:17.539 --> 00:38:20.179
this down into a book now. Can you show us the

00:38:20.179 --> 00:38:30.909
book? Yeah. Okay. Discern. Yeah. So it's like

00:38:30.909 --> 00:38:33.429
a sword. The sword, yeah. The sword, there's

00:38:33.429 --> 00:38:37.230
a story behind it. So in 2018 on Rosh Hashanah,

00:38:37.250 --> 00:38:40.210
this Rosh Hashanah, we were home. Usually we

00:38:40.210 --> 00:38:42.670
are somewhere in the world. And we went into

00:38:42.670 --> 00:38:45.050
our prayer room and we were praying. My husband

00:38:45.050 --> 00:38:47.610
was in one corner. I was in another corner on

00:38:47.610 --> 00:38:50.690
the floor, praying, just asking the Lord. Lord,

00:38:50.769 --> 00:38:52.849
what are you saying? What are you saying for

00:38:52.849 --> 00:38:55.150
this ear? And all of a sudden I have the vision.

00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:57.969
I have the vision. I don't know if you can see

00:38:57.969 --> 00:39:02.510
it. There's an outline of a nose. Right? Like

00:39:02.510 --> 00:39:06.269
this. And I have this vision of a man's nose

00:39:06.269 --> 00:39:09.909
and a sword going across it like that. And it's

00:39:09.909 --> 00:39:14.250
a two -edged sword. And I'm like, wow. And this

00:39:14.250 --> 00:39:17.429
knowing inside of me came that the Lord was saying.

00:39:18.219 --> 00:39:22.159
that we need to have a sharp discernment the

00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.659
day and the hour that we live in. There is so

00:39:25.659 --> 00:39:29.699
much going on, you know, good, bad, and ugly.

00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:35.699
So that we need discernment in the church very

00:39:35.699 --> 00:39:39.739
strongly. So that's how it started. And I knew

00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:43.639
that the word that year, 2018, started for me.

00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.860
I know that God speaks to others, a lot of others.

00:39:47.550 --> 00:39:50.829
God is trying to portray a message that we need

00:39:50.829 --> 00:39:53.889
sharp discernment. And I became more serious

00:39:53.889 --> 00:39:58.150
in teaching and every chance I get in importance

00:39:58.150 --> 00:40:01.369
of discernment. And as I started going through

00:40:01.369 --> 00:40:04.929
the scriptures, oh my goodness, I started looking

00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:08.210
at the gospels, rest of the scriptures. It's

00:40:08.210 --> 00:40:12.050
just amazing the foundation, the outline that

00:40:12.050 --> 00:40:15.590
the Lord has laid in the Bible because the Bible

00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:18.610
talks about That enemy also comes as an angel

00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:22.570
of light to deceive God's people. And earlier

00:40:22.570 --> 00:40:26.309
we talked about from Matthew 24, the very elect

00:40:26.309 --> 00:40:30.389
can be deceived. And all of the scriptures. And

00:40:30.389 --> 00:40:33.110
then I started seeing things, different things

00:40:33.110 --> 00:40:36.510
out there in the world, in the church, different

00:40:36.510 --> 00:40:41.130
places. And it just broke my heart. And I'm like,

00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:44.230
oh man, we need discernment. People need to see

00:40:44.230 --> 00:40:47.559
the truth. So that's how the cover came about.

00:40:47.860 --> 00:40:52.980
And of course, my husband encouraged me after

00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:56.219
teaching in the school and doing many schools

00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:59.480
around the world that I need to put this in a

00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:03.340
book form. And people started asking and I hesitated

00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:06.360
very much in the beginning because English being

00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:09.920
my second language, you know, when you speak

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:12.539
is so informal, but when you write it in a book,

00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.519
it has to be formal. So I'm like, my sentence

00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.320
structures, my grammar is terrible. I'm not going

00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.059
to put... So I had a rough copy for five years.

00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:29.039
I sat on it. It just did not sit right with some

00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.639
people that tried to help me. They did great

00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.800
work, but still I wasn't... It still just didn't,

00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.820
you know, not ready. But a year and a half ago,

00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:43.730
I met somebody and... beautiful, beautiful woman

00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:48.510
of God, and it just clicked. Glory to God. And

00:41:48.510 --> 00:41:50.869
she knew it, and she helped me put it together,

00:41:50.969 --> 00:41:53.269
yeah. She helped me to clean it up. I had the

00:41:53.269 --> 00:41:56.449
rough copy, yes. So it's in a book form now,

00:41:56.550 --> 00:41:59.769
and it's just the starting of a journey, and

00:41:59.769 --> 00:42:03.409
there will be more, I believe. And it's got what

00:42:03.409 --> 00:42:07.869
God showed me. It's got our personal 24 years

00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:11.110
of ministry. all over the world, personal things

00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:15.110
that we have seen and testimonies and stories

00:42:15.110 --> 00:42:18.409
of discernment, whether we needed discernment,

00:42:18.489 --> 00:42:22.130
you know, places where we missed it, you know.

00:42:22.650 --> 00:42:26.829
We all do. We sure do. Yeah. That's part of learning,

00:42:26.909 --> 00:42:29.210
really. Yeah. Lots of times you learn by the

00:42:29.210 --> 00:42:33.489
mistakes you make. I was reminded when I saw

00:42:33.489 --> 00:42:37.500
the cover of Hebrews 4. Yeah, the Word of God

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:40.719
is quick and powerful. Yes. Yes. I'll just read

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:58.190
it from the New King James. Right. Yeah, I'm

00:42:58.190 --> 00:43:02.250
sure because of how you teach and how Bruce teaches

00:43:02.250 --> 00:43:04.829
that, you know, you've got to have that foundation

00:43:04.829 --> 00:43:08.670
of the Word. So discernment really comes from

00:43:08.670 --> 00:43:11.610
knowing the Word of God. Talk about that. Yeah,

00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:15.710
I have it here in my note, too. It talks about

00:43:15.710 --> 00:43:18.190
it's a sharp, two -edged sword, piercing in the

00:43:18.190 --> 00:43:20.570
division of soul and spirit, joints and marrow,

00:43:20.690 --> 00:43:23.750
and discern of thoughts and intents of our heart.

00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:27.639
Right at this moment, what I'm reminded of is

00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:32.760
Jesus in the Gospels. And when the Sadducees

00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:36.219
and the Pharisees will question him, and the

00:43:36.219 --> 00:43:39.360
Bible says he was able to see what was in their

00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.920
heart, the evil in their hearts, and he was able

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.360
to discern what was going on. So discernment

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.579
helps us to see the right and wrong, good and

00:43:49.579 --> 00:43:54.420
evil, what is truth, what is false. And I believe

00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:57.260
with all of my heart, every time we go somewhere

00:43:57.260 --> 00:44:00.619
and I get a chance to teach on this message,

00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:05.139
I always think about that, Lord, I always pray,

00:44:05.300 --> 00:44:09.300
please give us 100 % results. I pray when people

00:44:09.300 --> 00:44:12.400
come to these classes, by the time they leave

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.760
after five days, with being with them, teaching

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.860
from the word, question and answers, and giving

00:44:18.860 --> 00:44:22.260
them the chance to speak, and going back and

00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:27.420
forth, that they will leave with sharp discernment.

00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:33.110
Sharp. Also, I will ask them that write it in

00:44:33.110 --> 00:44:36.050
your prayer list. Just like all of us have certain

00:44:36.050 --> 00:44:38.429
things we pray for every day. I will say that's

00:44:38.429 --> 00:44:43.630
how important discernment is. That in Book of

00:44:43.630 --> 00:44:46.489
Proverbs here, it talks about, I always use this

00:44:46.489 --> 00:44:49.309
scripture. It talks about in Book of Proverbs

00:44:49.309 --> 00:44:53.610
chapter 2, 3 to 5. Yes, if you cry out for discernment

00:44:53.610 --> 00:44:56.769
and lift up your voice for understanding, if

00:44:56.769 --> 00:45:01.519
you seek her as silver. and search for her as

00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:04.579
for hidden treasures, then you will understand

00:45:04.579 --> 00:45:07.239
the fear of the Lord and find knowledge of God.

00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.320
So as we study the word of God concerning discernment,

00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:15.639
it also goes with wisdom and understanding and

00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.619
insight. They all go together. So here it shows

00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:23.940
us that it is so important that you seek for

00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.820
it. You cry out for it. Why do we cry out for

00:45:27.820 --> 00:45:31.019
anything? When we are desperate. You know, there

00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:33.460
could be things happening. And there comes a

00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:36.719
time that we just fall to our knees and are desperate.

00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.639
And we weep and weep and weep because we are

00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.420
desperate. We need an answer. We need a breakthrough.

00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.300
So I believe with all of my heart, this is what

00:45:46.300 --> 00:45:48.559
the Bible is saying. Cry out for discernment.

00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:52.519
It takes a lot to really cry out from the depths

00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.619
of our spirit for something. Search for a silver.

00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:03.920
like a precious metal. And then you will understand

00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:07.159
the fear of the Lord. But first you have to search

00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.400
for it, cry out for it. Then you will understand

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.599
the fear of the Lord and find knowledge of God.

00:46:14.300 --> 00:46:17.000
You know, we just can't have it or somebody can

00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.199
just impart it into us. People are like, just

00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.179
impart that into you. You can't. You have to

00:46:22.179 --> 00:46:24.559
search for it yourself. And I believe that goes

00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:30.780
so well with... two -edged sword. God is sharper

00:46:30.780 --> 00:46:33.880
than two -edged sword. So when we are training.

00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:38.099
Even asking for the wisdom. When Paul was before

00:46:38.099 --> 00:46:43.239
the council and he discerned, he had Pharisees

00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.739
and Sadducees and of course the Sadducees didn't

00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:49.280
believe in the resurrection. And he says, well,

00:46:49.380 --> 00:46:52.260
I'm called and questioned this day of the resurrection

00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:55.480
because it was about Jesus being resurrected.

00:46:56.090 --> 00:46:58.210
No, just resurrection at all. Resurrection at

00:46:58.210 --> 00:47:00.230
all. Yeah. Which they didn't believe in. And

00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:03.630
it caused such a big ruckus that it totally changed

00:47:03.630 --> 00:47:07.530
everything that was going on. Yeah. He had the

00:47:07.530 --> 00:47:10.269
discernment. I think that's the word he used

00:47:10.269 --> 00:47:13.050
in the discerned. You know, the Lord gave him

00:47:13.050 --> 00:47:15.530
the wisdom that says, you know, this could do

00:47:15.530 --> 00:47:18.829
something here. Yeah. So the Pharisees said,

00:47:19.289 --> 00:47:21.389
well, we don't see anything wrong with this guy.

00:47:21.789 --> 00:47:24.289
If an angel spoke to him, that's okay with us.

00:47:25.449 --> 00:47:31.409
I would like to share a meaning of discernment

00:47:31.409 --> 00:47:35.489
to help us. What does it actually mean? It means

00:47:35.489 --> 00:47:41.030
to test, to prove, try, examine, scrutinize,

00:47:41.190 --> 00:47:46.110
to put to proof, to approve of the trial, to

00:47:46.110 --> 00:47:49.599
judge worthy. to decide upon after examination,

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:54.400
to distinguish or discern comprehension, insight,

00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.059
and understanding. So in Bible dictionary, it

00:47:59.059 --> 00:48:02.619
means in relation to discerning what is right,

00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:08.699
having capacity for moral judgment. And how in

00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:13.719
our day, it has been all muddied. Confusion has

00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.260
come. Spirit of confusion has been released.

00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:20.260
among us so strongly, and people are confused

00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:24.059
about basic things, basic fundamental truths

00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:27.860
of the Word of God. So the word discernment calls

00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:30.920
for us to, when there is a situation, something

00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.559
is going on, to test. If you don't have the Word

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.840
of God in you and the truth of the Word, you

00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.880
won't be able to test. That's why it's so important

00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:46.329
to be in the Word, in the truth. Our Lord is

00:48:46.329 --> 00:48:48.909
the truth, so we'll be able to judge properly.

00:48:49.630 --> 00:48:53.710
And it is also something that I always like to

00:48:53.710 --> 00:48:56.929
share with wherever I go is that when something

00:48:56.929 --> 00:49:01.889
is going on or manifestations are happening,

00:49:02.050 --> 00:49:05.269
or people even, people that we respect and look

00:49:05.269 --> 00:49:08.670
up to sharing testimonies, stories, or a message,

00:49:08.889 --> 00:49:13.829
don't be too quick to... Jump in and say, yes,

00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:18.110
that's God. Take a step back. Take a step back.

00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:22.210
Take your time. Go home and study the word. Yes.

00:49:22.329 --> 00:49:27.030
And then, because a lot of times we have a tendency

00:49:27.030 --> 00:49:32.150
to jump in because the person who may be sharing

00:49:32.150 --> 00:49:35.769
a man of God or a woman of God or in the church,

00:49:35.969 --> 00:49:40.010
we respect them. And we are to respect them.

00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:45.960
And they may have been people of charisma, people

00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.500
who have been on television for years and years

00:49:48.500 --> 00:49:54.039
and years, worldwide. And they may be people

00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.440
who may have prayed for us personally, prophesied

00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:03.420
on us, and we saw this change in our lives. It

00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:06.119
could be people that sat with us in the hospital

00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:10.280
all night. They're for our family, for our children.

00:50:11.860 --> 00:50:14.280
The Bible says a very elect can be deceived.

00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.960
So it makes, you know, you have to, you have

00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.820
to ask the Lord. You know, that's why sometimes

00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:25.219
we so quickly say, oh, yeah, that's God, because

00:50:25.219 --> 00:50:28.519
this person said it or that person said it. Right.

00:50:28.659 --> 00:50:33.239
You know, so there is a danger there. So that's

00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.280
what I'm talking about in this message. And the

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:39.860
Word of God also talks a lot about false prophets,

00:50:40.139 --> 00:50:45.719
false Christs. Teachers will come among us. We

00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:48.699
have to be able to discern if what they're sharing

00:50:48.699 --> 00:50:52.599
is from Him or not. Very, very true. A strong

00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.320
emphasis in this message and in the book. Yes.

00:50:55.659 --> 00:50:59.139
That's tremendous. So, like, what are some of

00:50:59.139 --> 00:51:02.199
the topics? that you're covering. Let me see

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:08.639
here. So we're going to talk about why discernment,

00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:14.840
why we need discernment, and what is real, what

00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:19.500
discernment is and isn't, foundations of discernment,

00:51:19.500 --> 00:51:23.320
discernment and the temptation of Jesus that

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.820
That was one of the first scriptures, verses

00:51:26.820 --> 00:51:30.260
that the Lord gave me in Philippines when I asked

00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:34.019
him, show me. And that comes from Matthew 4 when

00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:39.260
the Lord was taken up and the enemy came to test

00:51:39.260 --> 00:51:45.219
him. And Jesus was able to reply with the truth

00:51:45.219 --> 00:51:48.960
of the word of God, but the enemy was using the

00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:54.800
words that sounded correct. Yeah. So we talk

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.260
about that. And there's three areas that I show

00:51:57.260 --> 00:52:02.440
in that chapter five in this book that the Lord

00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:06.260
was tempted in. And then we go to chapter six

00:52:06.260 --> 00:52:08.659
talks about discernment in the ministry of Jesus.

00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.059
So that's when I went through all the four gospels

00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:16.599
and I was absolutely amazed. Chapter by chapter,

00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.360
verse by verse in four gospels and seeing when

00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.170
the Lord was ministering on this earth. what

00:52:23.170 --> 00:52:26.409
he had to face, how he was able to discern. And

00:52:26.409 --> 00:52:28.969
one of the most fascinating things that I found

00:52:28.969 --> 00:52:32.110
that shook me to my core was that according to

00:52:32.110 --> 00:52:34.869
the scriptures, as you go through the gospels,

00:52:34.869 --> 00:52:41.869
I could say over 95 % of the people that were

00:52:41.869 --> 00:52:44.789
supposed to be the leaders and the people who

00:52:44.789 --> 00:52:47.949
are supposed to teach the people the truth, the

00:52:47.949 --> 00:52:51.369
Torah, the scriptures, they missed totally who

00:52:51.369 --> 00:52:55.780
Jesus was. I can count it on one hand, those

00:52:55.780 --> 00:52:59.500
who were able to recognize him. But the teachers

00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:01.719
that were supposed to teach the people truth,

00:53:01.860 --> 00:53:04.800
they missed it. Everything about him, everything.

00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.659
So that's what we talk about in that chapter.

00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:10.860
And then lack of discernment leads to death.

00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:14.519
And this chapter talks about what happens when

00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:17.000
we don't have discernment. So I show it from

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.260
the Gospels. What happened to these leaders?

00:53:19.460 --> 00:53:23.980
It leads to death. And there is one of the verses

00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:27.880
that I share in the Gospels where it says that

00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:31.280
there was a day that Jesus was in this area and

00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.320
all the leaders from all surrounding town came.

00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:37.280
And the Bible says that the Spirit of the Lord

00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:42.920
was there to heal them. But we know they didn't.

00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.280
They did not receive him. They missed it. After

00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.039
everything that the Lord has done and everything

00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:53.739
they saw and come against him so vehemently,

00:53:53.739 --> 00:53:58.039
at this day, there was the grace of God to set

00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:02.659
them free from that pride, that false persona

00:54:02.659 --> 00:54:05.619
that they had and the false teachings, but they

00:54:05.619 --> 00:54:10.019
rejected it. Yeah. And we know going to the epistles,

00:54:10.099 --> 00:54:13.800
they went after the disciples, same people. They

00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.670
sure did. And then in chapter 8, we talk about

00:54:16.670 --> 00:54:22.250
discerning those who we labor with. Oh, my goodness.

00:54:22.329 --> 00:54:25.110
That's a big one, too. Yeah. It's scary, too.

00:54:25.210 --> 00:54:28.909
So much right now. Yes. People we labor with,

00:54:29.090 --> 00:54:31.789
minister with. And then we talk about chapter

00:54:31.789 --> 00:54:34.949
9, test the spirits. That comes from the book

00:54:34.949 --> 00:54:37.849
of 1 John, chapter 4, where it says test every

00:54:37.849 --> 00:54:40.789
spirit. Yes. Test the spirits if Jesus Christ

00:54:40.789 --> 00:54:44.429
comes in the flesh. And then we talk about heart

00:54:44.429 --> 00:54:48.469
after God, chapter 10, and then all that glitters.

00:54:49.230 --> 00:54:51.769
Basically, in that we talk about everything that

00:54:51.769 --> 00:54:54.510
looks, you know, it's not what it looks on the

00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:59.230
surface. Right. Yeah. So, and then chapter 12,

00:54:59.389 --> 00:55:02.710
I put in some questions there, some of the most

00:55:02.710 --> 00:55:05.730
questions that we get asked in all the schools

00:55:05.730 --> 00:55:08.650
we have done around the world. Over 35 now, I

00:55:08.650 --> 00:55:11.630
think. In different countries, there are some

00:55:11.630 --> 00:55:15.590
questions that are so insane everywhere. So some

00:55:15.590 --> 00:55:17.650
of those we tackle. So that's what's in here.

00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.960
Good. That's tremendous. And you'll be teaching

00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.539
that when you come here, right? And that's September

00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:29.820
7th through 12th, 2026. So we'll have a link

00:55:29.820 --> 00:55:32.800
in the description that people can click on and

00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:36.000
go to our website and learn all about the school

00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:41.400
and the teachers and Angletall. And there's a

00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:43.880
place to register. And for the sake of those

00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:48.039
who are repeating students. Just we've had some

00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.440
phone calls of people saying, I want to come,

00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.679
I want to come, but there's no place for a returning

00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.860
student. And I keep telling them that as of August

00:55:56.860 --> 00:56:00.380
1st, we will be opening up the registration for

00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:02.699
returning students because we want to give the

00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:06.179
first -time students first priority. But it'll

00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:08.800
be in the description here that you can go to

00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:12.739
get the website link. So it's going to be amazing.

00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.360
It is going to be, it's our favorite, one of

00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.400
the favorite place to come to. And the reason

00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.599
is, for me personally, is because everything

00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.559
is on the same grounds. We get to sleep there.

00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.639
We get to eat there. We get to visit there and

00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.860
do the school all in one ground. That's what

00:56:30.860 --> 00:56:32.960
I like. It's the best. You don't have to drive

00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.760
off somewhere else, you know. It's true. And

00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:38.699
we make amazing friends and it's just a beautiful

00:56:38.699 --> 00:56:43.050
place. And it's just like a park. Yeah. You can

00:56:43.050 --> 00:56:45.510
go for a walk. You can pray. It's just beautiful.

00:56:45.570 --> 00:56:48.349
Yes. Yeah. It's wonderful. We're really looking

00:56:48.349 --> 00:56:51.409
forward to having you and all of the students

00:56:51.409 --> 00:56:53.550
that come from everywhere. We've had people from

00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:56.630
lots of different places. There was a whole family

00:56:56.630 --> 00:56:59.550
that came from New Zealand. Yeah. That was amazing.

00:56:59.929 --> 00:57:02.409
And we've had people that came from Russia and

00:57:02.409 --> 00:57:06.110
from just other places, Canada and all over the

00:57:06.110 --> 00:57:09.570
United States. Asia. Yeah. Yeah. Hungry people

00:57:09.570 --> 00:57:13.289
out there. Yes. Yes. And so listener or viewer,

00:57:13.449 --> 00:57:16.130
if you are hungry, if you're hungry for the things

00:57:16.130 --> 00:57:19.289
of God and you're hungry to have your senses

00:57:19.289 --> 00:57:23.010
sharpened in discernment so that you don't get

00:57:23.010 --> 00:57:26.150
deceived. I hate being deceived. I just mean

00:57:26.150 --> 00:57:29.670
to. Oh, I just it irks me when when I you know,

00:57:29.690 --> 00:57:32.809
I'm looking at something on YouTube or Facebook

00:57:32.809 --> 00:57:34.869
and I don't spend much time on either one of

00:57:34.869 --> 00:57:38.880
them. And I realize this. doesn't ring right

00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.400
there's something about this it's like right

00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:46.139
you will feel it in your knower i always say

00:57:46.139 --> 00:57:49.519
you will something will not sit right sometimes

00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:51.880
you are not able to point of you know put your

00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:57.000
finger on it but yes the wisdom in that is when

00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.840
you feel that go with it take a step back go

00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.960
with it and watch for a while and pray because

00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.420
the lord is showing you something For a reason.

00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:11.260
Yeah. And it is so important. We are not supposed

00:58:11.260 --> 00:58:15.039
to have fear. But if I had to have fear about

00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:17.840
something, it's about deception. I do not want

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.960
to be deceived. Yeah. I always say that. I always

00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:21.760
say to the Lord, I do not want to be deceived.

00:58:22.179 --> 00:58:25.599
Amen. Yeah. And one thing that Bruce has, you

00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.420
know, said when the Lord spoke to him, you know,

00:58:28.420 --> 00:58:31.019
it was 20 some years ago when he was first talking

00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:33.980
about translation. You know, the day is going

00:58:33.980 --> 00:58:36.630
to come. Well, you will not be able to travel.

00:58:36.809 --> 00:58:39.809
True. And I'm sure, you know, Bruce maybe wondered,

00:58:39.969 --> 00:58:42.170
really? You know, of course, you know, you see

00:58:42.170 --> 00:58:44.309
things. You know, we see travel restrictions

00:58:44.309 --> 00:58:48.469
here and there. But when COVID hit, that gave

00:58:48.469 --> 00:58:52.530
us a real eye -opener. And things like that can

00:58:52.530 --> 00:58:55.929
happen again. Not necessarily from a virus, but

00:58:55.929 --> 00:58:59.230
a government shutdown. Yeah. Where nobody can

00:58:59.230 --> 00:59:03.360
travel. Martial law. Right. The Lord can take

00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.000
you to minister somewhere. Right. You know. Special

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:10.539
disasters. True. So, so, so listener, don't wait

00:59:10.539 --> 00:59:13.000
for something to happen. You need to get ready

00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:17.260
now. It's true. Right. It's true. It is so interesting

00:59:17.260 --> 00:59:20.500
because before pre -COVID, you know, my husband

00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:22.980
has been speaking about this for over 20 years.

00:59:23.219 --> 00:59:25.940
Yeah. And some places he went to, people thought

00:59:25.940 --> 00:59:29.219
he was just crazy. Yelled at him. They shouted

00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:31.579
at him. They walked out. What is wrong with you?

00:59:31.619 --> 00:59:34.219
God doesn't do this and all these things. But

00:59:34.219 --> 00:59:37.380
when COVID happened, we started getting phone

00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:41.360
calls. We started getting emails because he had

00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.719
said it, that there's going to be a time that

00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.420
you won't be able to move around or travel. It

00:59:47.420 --> 00:59:49.920
was interesting. This year when we went, we were

00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.739
going to Philippines and a flight from Seattle.

00:59:55.060 --> 00:59:59.639
to Korea is usually 10 hours. But this particular

00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:04.079
flight was over 13 hours, almost 14. And I was

01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:07.340
bothered by it because we have traveled abroad

01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:11.739
so many times, back and forth. So I decided to

01:00:11.739 --> 01:00:15.059
go up and ask one of the air hostesses, why is

01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:19.059
this flight so long? So they told me because

01:00:19.059 --> 01:00:23.039
there's a range of mountains by Russia. There

01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.380
was a volcanic eruption. And he said the flights

01:00:26.380 --> 01:00:29.480
were actually canceled. So we had to go up and

01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.739
then come down. So it took extra four hours.

01:00:32.099 --> 01:00:36.719
That's why it took so long to get to Korea. So

01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.260
things like that. Sometimes weather patterns

01:00:39.260 --> 01:00:42.699
or all of a sudden there's no fly zone over the

01:00:42.699 --> 01:00:48.139
nation and you have to go around. Things are

01:00:48.139 --> 01:00:53.739
sudden. And you don't know unless you have discernment.

01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:57.599
And God gives you, you know, I love what Bruce

01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.960
says all the time. He says his go -to question

01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.639
is, Father, what are you saying? What are you

01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.860
saying? That's right. And, you know, just stop

01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:10.360
and listen when you say that. You know, what

01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:13.340
are you saying? So, Reshma, do you have any other

01:01:13.340 --> 01:01:16.960
thoughts that you want to add to kind of wrap

01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:21.599
this up? I just want to say that know that the

01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:25.539
times and seasons we live in be in constant communication

01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:29.739
with the Lord concerning everything. Past few

01:01:29.739 --> 01:01:32.920
years, I believe we all have been grieving because

01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.159
of what we have seen happening in the church,

01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.039
in the Christian world, and the leaders, the

01:01:39.039 --> 01:01:43.360
ministers, the churches that we looked up to,

01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:48.869
believed in. There's like a judgment in the house

01:01:48.869 --> 01:01:52.530
of God. They've been falling. And it's been really

01:01:52.530 --> 01:01:57.309
hard to see some people that we looked up to,

01:01:57.349 --> 01:02:01.269
respected and all that. I'm saying that to also

01:02:01.269 --> 01:02:06.070
say I want to encourage the viewers that don't

01:02:06.070 --> 01:02:09.840
let these things. keep you away from the Lord.

01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:14.039
Don't let these things bring anger in you, resentment

01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.480
in you, and don't walk away from the Lord. Because

01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.579
two things can happen when things like this happen,

01:02:20.659 --> 01:02:24.099
what we see happening in the church. But there

01:02:24.099 --> 01:02:28.980
are also amazing men and women of God that are

01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:33.110
amazing. Around the world, churches and believers

01:02:33.110 --> 01:02:36.110
are doing so awesome. Two things that can happen

01:02:36.110 --> 01:02:39.949
when our leaders fall. People either can run

01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:44.170
to God, get closer to Him, or they can walk away

01:02:44.170 --> 01:02:47.409
in anger and frustration. So I just want you

01:02:47.409 --> 01:02:50.889
to encourage, do not let anybody else, no human

01:02:50.889 --> 01:02:55.550
being, keep you away from God and His love and

01:02:55.550 --> 01:02:59.869
who He is. And also... We are not to worship

01:02:59.869 --> 01:03:05.090
any man or woman. We are to worship God. Worship

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God, keep your heart in that place, and then

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things will be okay. It's really unfortunate

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some things are happening. I just also want to

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say I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. We are. As people

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of God, we are sorry that this has happened.

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That's not God's heart. That's why we need discernment

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in this hour. Yeah. And God is a faithful God,

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even when we are hopeless. That's what the Bible

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says. If your heart is in the right place, if

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your heart is for Him and always in His Word,

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in prayer and ask Him in all situations. Anything

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you feel, just talk to Him like talking to a

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friend. Okay, Lord, what is happening here? What

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are you saying? Or when you go to a conference,

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you go to a church, just like He showed me. Sit

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down, close your eyes and ask Him. And you will

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be amazed. You will be, he's a father. The Bible

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says in the word of God that if a child comes

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to a father and asks for a bread, he's not going

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to give him a stone. Right. That's who our father

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is. If we come to him, he is going to show us.

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He's going to lead us and guide us in all truth.

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And he will keep us from deception. So that's

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what I would like to encourage you with. Thank

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you so much. Amen. Amen. Would you just like

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to close with prayer for our listeners and viewers?

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Yes, I would. Thank you, Lord. Father God, we

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come to you. We thank you for this time. We thank

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you for this moment and this opportunity that

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you gave us. Lord, together with you that we

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can share your love, your word. Lord, I pray

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right now. everybody who is listening and are

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going to listen in the future, this podcast,

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Lord, that it will touch their hearts because

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of you and your word and your heart to lead us

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and guide us by your spirit in all truth, Lord.

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I pray, Lord God, if there is any deception,

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anything that has tried to come against that,

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Lord, I pray against confusion. Amen. Spirit

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of confusion over their lives. If people are

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struggling, Lord, concerning things and having

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difficult time making decisions, Lord. And if

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they have been deceived by somebody, Lord, I

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pray for a breakthrough. I pray for clarity.

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I pray that your word says you prepared a way

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of escape for your children. I thank you, Lord

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God, that you prepared a way, Lord, that every...

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crooked path will be made straight yes and i

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thank you lord god for those testimonies where

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you have led us and guide us you have made a

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way for us lord for all of us and i also pray

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lord god for global outpouring For Sharon, Lord,

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and for Phil, taking this time, Lord, being in

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the front lines, being there, Lord, for people

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and for making these programs, making it available,

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Lord, for your kingdom. Lord, I thank you for

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the testimonies that comes out of this podcast.

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Lives that are touched, Lord, I pray for the

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expansion. of this program. And Lord, expansion

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of your gospel more and more, Lord. Thank you,

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Father. Bless all those who are listening, Lord.

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Bless them and lead them and guide them, Lord,

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by your Spirit. In Jesus' name. Amen. Beautiful.

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Thank you so much. It's been a delight to have

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you with us and we look forward to you being

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with us in September. Yes, we are too. Thank

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you. To find out more information, read our blogs,

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Until next time, this is Sharon Buss. And I'm

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Philip Buss. God bless you with His overwhelming,

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loving presence.