“The Eternal Covenant of the Incarnation” with Mathew Reames (331)

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God had promised he would put his presence in

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a box, the Ark of the Covenant. God places himself

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in flesh. And see, this flesh is different than

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the box because the box is just a container.

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His flesh was a covenant. The box was just the

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symbol for it. It was just the container of the

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covenant. It was the Ark, the carrier of the

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covenant. The flesh is flesh. God promises in

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Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity.

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Welcome to global outpouring, where we contend

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for that promised outpouring, we equip for that

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outpouring, so that we may engage in that very

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outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss.

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Welcome to the podcast today. We have with us

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a dear friend, Matthew Reams. And we've just

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finished our youth retreat recently. And he spoke

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for us the opening night and shared about how

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Jesus laid aside his glory and became a human

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being. And his subject is the eternal covenant

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of the incarnation. Thanks so much for joining

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Spirit, we'd be so grateful. So, Matthew Reams,

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we are grateful that you've come here to Angletall,

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the Valley of Angels, to be with us for the youth

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retreat, the Generation Awakening. And we had

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a glorious time and we're glad that you're still

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here and just want to welcome you. Well, amen.

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I feel welcome. It's always fun to be with you.

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Well, we're always delighted to have you. And

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we really appreciate your input helping us get

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some things organized. And I want to give credit

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to you for choosing our theme song for this podcast

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long ago. I did do that. You did do that. And

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when you were reading the intro in the back of

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my head, I was saying, don't sing it, don't sing

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it, don't sing it, don't sing it. Because I'm

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a listener. Yeah. I know the theme song. Yeah.

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Yeah. Well, you helped us find it. We were giving

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you other ideas and you said, no, that's not

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you. And you found the real thing that is us.

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And so. Now you're what, three and a half years

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in? Something like that? We're in our seventh

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year. Seventh year. Wow. We started this. I can't

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even count. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. We started it. I

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mean, we signed up with Charisma. In November

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of 2019, I think it was. But it wasn't until

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spring of 2020 or February when COVID broke out.

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And I called my friend at Sweetwater and, you

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know, he got us everything we needed. And then

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all of a sudden they're sold out because all

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the churches are grabbing up all the podcast

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equipment. So we got everything just in the nick

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of time. Just in time. And that's where we started.

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Didn't know what we were doing. Amen. Well, that

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being said, then, for those of you that are listening,

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that means there are lots of episodes that you

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might not have heard, and you should go back.

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I know I listen on Apple because I usually listen

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in my car, and that's just easy for my phone.

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But I can literally scroll back and re -listen

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to every episode that you have ever put out through

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Apple. And biblical teaching doesn't go out of

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style. It's true. You know, some of the new hip

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prophetic teaching sometimes is very, this is

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the word for 2020. Okay, well, that has a time

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limit. Yeah, true. But the principles of how

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to walk out the kingdom. Yeah. We're going to

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be walking out this kingdom forever. Absolutely.

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With King Jesus. Yes. So you might as well start

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learning now. Yeah. So that way when you get

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up there, you don't have to like. Go to the remedial

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kingdom class. Oh, that's good. That's good.

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Remedial kingdom class. I like that. So I just

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also want to say thank you for. Leading the worship

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in all of these sessions was twice a day for

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three days, plus the night before. And this morning.

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And this morning, yes. So you have just about

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spent your voice leading worship, and I'm glad

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you have enough voice to do this with us. Amen.

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Because you're a worshiper and you're a... preacher

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and you're a teacher and you've got the goods.

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I'm not trying to build you up and make you proud

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because that would be wrong, but I appreciate

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the thoughtfulness. You're a thoughtful person

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and you meditate on the Word and the Lord shows

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you things. And you also like to read lots and

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lots of theological kinds of things, but you're

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not dry. You're not dry when it comes to theology.

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I just appreciate that. And sometimes when people

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talk about the incarnation, now that's not a

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word that you're going to find used on the streets

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or in a business. Talk to us a little bit about

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what this means. Like you shared this the first

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night and we tried to record it. In a very simple

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way. And we had a glitch in the middle of it,

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so we lost a little. You know, technology's a

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thing. I love it, and I also don't love it. For

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those that don't know, the incarnation is not

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the liquid breakfast that old people eat. That's

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carnation. It's not the plant. Those are also

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carnations. Right, right. But incarnation comes

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from two Latin words, in, which... In English,

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it's the same. It's in. And carnate, which is

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where Mexican taco shops get the word carne,

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which is, as we all who love tacos know, carne

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tacos, carne asada, is a good meaty taco. So

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literally, incarnation means in meat or in flesh.

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Right. This is something that is unique to Christ

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among the Godhead. You know, the Bible says,

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that the lord is spirit yes and those who worship

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him worship him in spirit and truth and we struggle

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with that because we don't really know what spirit

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is you know we're very quick to anthropomorphize

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god because it's easier for us to understand

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him in terms of us right you know he's a man

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with strong arms and good eyes and he looks like

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this. And in various places, we get language

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that deals with it. For instance, in my Bible

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college, I asked them to describe God's physical

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characteristics. And one of the things that one

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of my students said is, well, he sits on a throne,

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so he's got to have a tuchus. I'll use the Jewish

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word. When I was with the kids, I used a little

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more kid -friendly word. And I was like, I don't

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know that I would have gotten there, but we think

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in the terms of these things because the Bible

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tells us certain things, but the reality is he's

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spirit and he's omnipresent. So the Lord is everywhere,

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every time, all at once. And we who are flesh,

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dirt bags, we are bound to, I can only be where

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I am and I can only be when I am. I can't be

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150 years in the future. I can't be 150 years

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in the past. I can't be here and be in China.

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That's not how flesh works unless we're doing

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supernatural things. So I say all that to say

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that God doesn't have a physical body. He's a

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spirit. But we do know that we see people encountering

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God in the Old Testament. Right. In the Gospels,

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Jesus says, no one has seen the Father except

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for him who came down from him. So that presents

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a conundrum. You better define conundrum. Conundrum

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is a problem. Oh, thanks. Which I'm very familiar

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with problems and conundrums. I've had lots of

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them, you know, this whole week. Most of them

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involving technology. But when we read the Bible,

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we have to believe that it's true. And sometimes...

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There are parts that don't sound like they can

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be true. If this is true, how is this true? So

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if no one has seen the father except for him

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who came down from the father, then who were

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Adam and Eve walking in the cool of the day in

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the garden with? Okay. The Bible tells us that

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Moses went and met with God and God said, no

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one can see me face to face and live. And yet

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the Bible also says Moses saw God face to face

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like a man speaks to his friend. Who, what? How

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does that work? Either A is true or B is true.

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Moses can't have both of these things be true.

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Or? Or he encountered Christ. We call those in

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the theology world Christophany. Big fancy word

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that literally just means an encounter with Christ

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before he became flesh and blood human. And so

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they had these encounters. But even in those

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encounters, he appeared in a way that they could

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understand him. yeah but he wasn't like us in

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that way you know when they walked in the cool

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of the garden with him it wasn't like he was

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a flesh and blood human he was a spirit so then

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when adam and eve sinned this presents a problem

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yeah because adam and eve they had this friendship

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with the snake. They should have been Cajuns

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and barbecued him. They should have been Texans

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and made boots out of him. There's so many things

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they could have done with this serpent. But instead

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they become friends and they eat the fruit from

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the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And

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side note, it says the tree of the knowledge

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of good and evil. Most of us just think about

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the evil things they learned. No, they learned

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good things too. The problem is the serpent tricked

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them into believing that knowledge outside of

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God is valuable. Wow. Everything they knew before

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that was revelation. And now we have been trained

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by the fall to seek knowledge outside of revelation.

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And how many of us open our Bibles and partake

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in the same sin of the fall because we don't

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pray. We don't ask the Lord to speak to us. We

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just assume that if we open and go through our

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study that, and I'm not even saying that that's

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bad because anytime you study the word of God,

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the spirit will bring fruit. But a lot of times

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we look for answers without consulting the spirit

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of the living God. And Adam and Eve did that

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and it ruined it for all of us. And I have a

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little bit of resentment there that I have to

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work through in my inner man. We all do. But

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this presents a big problem because for sin,

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God creates this world where sin has to be atoned

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for. And in the moment, he atoned for their sins

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when he made garments for them. Most of us don't

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pay attention to the fact that He killed an animal

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so that he could make skins for them. We just

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think God is a great fashion designer and he

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wanted to make Eve a nice dress. No, he sacrificed

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an animal, shed blood, the death that they should

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have had the animal paid for. we know the blood

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and bull of goats it only covers for a time that's

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why throughout the whole old testament we see

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sacrifice after sacrifice after sacrifice because

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they keep on sinning yeah i mean not that we

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don't but yeah they kept on sinning so they had

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to keep on sacrificing and so the problem became

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that for sin to be dealt with fully it had to

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be paid for fully by a man yeah yeah you know

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god's rules he can't waive that debt because

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it had to be paid for in blood by a man. Death

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had to come from sin. So the solution to that

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blows my mind. And I've shared this a bunch recently

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and I still, man, I'm blown away by it because

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I don't know about all of our listeners. If you

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disagree with me, that's okay. You're wrong.

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But I believe that life begins at conception.

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Absolutely. We do too. And I believe that abortion

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may be the single most vile sin that humanity

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has ever concocted. But that presents to me an

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interesting scenario because I'm a very logical,

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thoughtful, philosophical person. And I get to

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this place in the book of Luke where an angel

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appears to Mary. You all know it. You've read

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Luke. You've been to Christmas stories. And the

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angel says, the spirit of the living God is going

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to overshadow you. And you're going to get pregnant.

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And you're going to have a kid. And you're going

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to call him Jesus. For he will save his people.

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Well, if life begins at conception, then at the

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very moment that the Holy Spirit overshadowed

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Mary and she got pregnant, Jesus entered her

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womb. A living being. Absolutely. And so that

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means that the king of eternity who sat forever

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on heaven's throne, surrounded by praise and

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love and perfection and beauty and all those

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things that all of our heaven experts can tell

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you more about, suddenly in an instant was surrounded

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by solitude, darkness, and was fully reliant

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on a woman for his very existence. Yeah. That

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is a level of humility. That blows my mind. Yeah.

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Because suddenly the uncontainable became containable.

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Wow. That only ever happened once before because

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God had promised he would put his presence in

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a box, the Ark of the Covenant. He had really

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strict rules with that. You know, don't touch

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the box because if you touch it, you die. And

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then when they tested that theory, you know,

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fool around and find out. Uzzah is dead. And

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so are all the Nazis from the Indiana Jones movie.

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You know, you're not supposed to touch that box.

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But this time, God places himself in flesh. And

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see, this flesh is different than the box because

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the box is just a container. Yeah. His presence

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was in there, but it was just a container. His

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flesh was a covenant. His flesh was an entwining.

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The box is the Ark of the Covenant. So the flesh

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was the new Ark of the Covenant. But the box

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was just a symbol for it. Exactly. It was just

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the container of the covenant. It was the Ark,

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the carrier of the covenant. That's good. The

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flesh is covenant. And if you don't believe me,

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then you didn't pay attention when Jesus held

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up the bread and said, this is my body, my new

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covenant I make with you. So he's in the womb

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being knit together because the Bible says in

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Jeremiah, he. knew you before he formed you in

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your mother's womb. And don't get that twisted.

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You know, there are some people in Mormonism,

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for instance, teaches that you've always been

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an eternal spirit in heaven with the Lord. And

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that at the time when he built a body for you,

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he sends you to earth. That's heresy. And sadly,

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it's a heresy that's creeping into the charismatic

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church. Because there are people that literally

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teach that babies are more connected with the

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spirit because they just came from heaven and

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they still remember what heaven is like. Well,

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let's look at the implication of that. Because

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if you were already in heaven, in perfection,

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in glory, and then the Lord comes to you and

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says, well, now I'm going to send you to the

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earth, wrap you in flesh and good luck. Because

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if you don't figure it out just right, you're

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going to hell. That makes God. a pretty ruckus

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monster. Boo that. That's heresy. No, God knew

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the end from the beginning. You were always a

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thought in the mind of God, but there came a

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point where he said, now is the time I am going

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to form you in your mother's womb. And some of

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us have it twisted because we think that we are

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a spirit that gets a soul that's carried in a

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body. As if these are three separate things that

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are meant to be divided and they're just puzzle

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pieces. No, you are spirit, soul, and body. And

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they are perfectly intertwined. Because if your

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spirit leaves your body, that's death. If your

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soul stops working, that's a coma. You were meant

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to be spirit, soul, and body fully intertwined.

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And God formed that body that we know as Jesus.

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And instead of creating a life in that body,

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he took on that body and became life. Because

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that light was the life of all men. That's true.

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According to John, the word became flesh and

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dwelt among them. And I'm going to try and say

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that and not start to cry because it hits. Jesus

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formed in his mother's womb for nine months in

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humility and dependency. And then you get to

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the Christmas story that we hear every year.

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Couldn't find room in the inn. And he was born

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and wrapped in swaddling clothes and placed in

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a manger. He was a baby. Yeah. The fullness of

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God dwelling in a baby. Yes. Yeah. God who has

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never needed anything, who's never lacked for

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anything, fully dependent on a mother to nurse

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him at her breast, fully dependent on a father

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to protect and provide shelter, fully dependent

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on this family unit. Because if they had been

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like, we ain't got time for a kid and just decided

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we're done with him and cast him aside, he would

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have died in that manger. And that wouldn't have

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done anything for our salvation. So the gospels

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then proceed to tell us about his life. Very

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little about his childhood. We know that at age

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12, he was found in the temple and there was

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that whole thing where he was blowing everybody's

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minds because he was really smart. You know,

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hint, hint. That was what his whole purpose was,

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was to reveal the word to us. Amen. So, yes,

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he physically did it, but also he did it by opening

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the scroll. Praise God. He's the only one worthy

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to open the scroll anyway. But then, you know,

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we know that his father was a builder and he

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worked with his father until we get to his baptism.

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Yeah. When the father says, this is my beloved

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son in whom I'm well pleased. And the dove descends

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down. And, you know, the dove descends down on

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Jesus. And you know why he gets the dove? Because

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he was pure and righteous and holy. The rest

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of us get Holy Ghost and fire because we're not

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ready for a dove. We need the fire to burn our

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flesh until we make a place for that dove. Oh,

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that's so good. I mean, I hate to say it, but

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I need that Holy Ghost fire a lot. I literally

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have a shirt that I wear that says. baptized

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on the front it says holy spirit and fire on

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the back yeah to remind myself this is who i'm

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supposed to be yeah but all of his earthly ministry

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culminates in the crucifixion right and we all

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know the story we've been we've been to service

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on easter at least once you know the prophet

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isaiah talks about it in chapter 52 and 53 and

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he says he was beaten beyond the semblance of

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a man right like I appreciate Mel Gibson making

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the Passion movie. I appreciate all these other

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people that have tried to depict it. But in every

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one, it's still a guy on a cross, beaten and

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bruised. But this time, the incarnate God looked

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a lot more like the carne that you get on the

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taco plate than he did a man. Why? Because the

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image of God was contained in the image of man.

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And then that was broken. Why? So that the broken

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image of man that we have carried since the fall

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could be restored to the image of God. Amen.

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And it was the most brutal moment of human history.

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True. But it was also the most beautiful moment

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of human history. Yeah. I know a lot of times

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we don't like to mix brutality and beauty, but

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that's actually how the kingdom works a lot of

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times. The most glorious things are the hardest

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things. The things that we don't want to look

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square in the face are the things that are actually

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going to produce the most in us. So Jesus is

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crucified beyond the semblance of a man and he

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screams out, it is finished. Actually, he probably

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didn't scream because, you know, the weight of

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his death. And then he gives up his life. Sky

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turns dark as the night. The veil and temples

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rent. They rip him down off the cross. He's dead.

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He's limp. There's earthquakes. They wrap him

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in a shroud that may or may not currently be

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in Turin. If you want to know more about that,

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you can ask Sharon at a later date. And they

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put him in a tomb. And then we have the darkest

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day in human history. Because after he was placed

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in the tomb, no one knew what was happening next.

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You know, and for us, we celebrate Good Friday

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and then we celebrate Easter Sunday, but we don't

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think about that gap in the middle, which really

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was like three whole days, not just a Saturday.

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But again, it started Thursday night instead

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of, you know, another story for another time.

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Yeah. But we don't think about what that gap.

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was like for them because we have spoilers we

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know how the story ends he's resurrected he's

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alive and luke tells us that he was seen by many

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witnesses for 40 days with many proofs people

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witnessed him not as a zombie not as a spirit

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not as an apparition no as the living god the

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incarnate king with the holes in his hands with

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the wounds across his head With the holes in

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his feet and the big old caping spear wound in

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his side. The spear wound where the river of

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life flows from to this day. Wow. That's good.

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And then Acts chapter 1. We all love Acts chapter

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1. Oh, yeah. The spirit shall come upon you not

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many days from now. And when the spirit comes,

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you will receive power and you will be my witnesses.

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We're Pentecostals. We say power with a capital

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P, you know, and it's true. Although the real

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miracle is not just the power, but the power

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has the purpose of making you a witness. And

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most of us think that's, that's where, you know,

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okay. We've moved on from Jesus now because now

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we're transitioning out of Jesus time into spirit

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time. We're really bad about trying to divide

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the Bible. Like the Old Testament is Yahweh time.

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The gospels are Jesus time. The rest of it is

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our time and the Holy Spirit's time. No, Jesus

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is the center of all of it. And I'm literally

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writing a book to show how Jesus is at the center

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of all of it. And this is one of the pivotal

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chapters because when Luke says that Jesus said

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those things, It says, then he ascended back

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to heaven and wrote a cloud. A notoriously hard

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challenge. You can't, I just, I've never been

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able to write a cloud. And he says, he's going

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to come back that way. And John the Revelator

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tells us that he's literally going to split the

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sky. And he's not just coming back in a cloud.

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He's going to be riding a horse on a cloud. That's

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even more challenging. Horses are notoriously

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fickle creatures. I've been thrown off of one

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before. Yeah, I fell off one once. But here's

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where the story gets problematic for people.

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Because a lot of us have this view of his flesh.

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As if it's just a suit that he put on so that

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he could come to the earth. Right. It's just

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the box that contained him. Oh, wow. And like

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a good dad at the end of a hard work day, covered

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in the muck from the farm, dealing with the sheep,

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he comes home, gets into heaven's mudroom, takes

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off his boots and strips off his humanity, and

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then he's just God again. And that's not how

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covenant works. No. That's right. because right

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now in august of 2026 in the eternal throne room

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jesus is seated at the right hand of god the

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father yeah in flesh and bone with scars and

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john in the revelation He tells us that there's

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a river that flows out from under the throne

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and from the Lamb. See, most of us read it as

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from under the throne of the Lamb. But in the

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Greek, it actually parses out. It is. from the

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throne and it is of the lamb wow i don't have

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time to parse greek and i'm not a like a great

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greek scholar but i really know how to use my

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blue letter bible well and when i get a little

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money i'm gonna really know how to use logos

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well but he literally has this wound in his side

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that he still has today yes That is a river of

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life that is pouring out and is still healing

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the nations. And the implications of this are

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huge. Because if his flesh was temporary, then

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our atonement would be temporary. Because he

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only paid for a little bit and then he immediately

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gave up on it. He's like, nope. Also, it really

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makes us a lot better. Because if he stripped

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off his flesh when he got to heaven, that means

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he only lived 33 years and then decided, I can't

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do this anymore. I cannot be a human. Which,

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hey, I'm older than 33. I get it. Like some days

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I don't want to be a human anymore. But no, he

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covenanted with us forever. So when you come

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face to face with him, sure, he'll be glorified

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and perfected in ways that we can't understand.

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But he will still be the man, Christ Jesus. The

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king, the God, the Lord of all, who humbled himself

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to be intertwined, not merely contained. The

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theological term is the hypostatic union, where

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his divine nature and his human nature are inseparable

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and perfectly intertwined. We often think that

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it's oil and water and that he shook up the bottle

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so he could have some salad dressing for a little

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while. But guess what? That bottle of Italian

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salad dressing, tomorrow you're going to have

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to shake it again because those things don't

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mix. And yet God managed to perfectly blend humanity

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and divinity so that he is well and truly God

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at all times. He has never stopped being God.

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And yet he is well and truly human. His humanity

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began in the womb of Mary, but it will be carried

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on for eternity. See, that's what makes him unique

00:29:08.289 --> 00:29:12.309
among the God said, because prior to this, they

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were eternally forward and eternally backward.

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Their existence went in eternity in every direction,

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something you and I don't experience. I am only

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eternally forward because I'm in Christ and I

00:29:25.250 --> 00:29:27.940
am saved and I will be with him forever. But

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I had a beginning. Before I began, there was

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no me. I didn't exist. So I'm eternally forward.

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Christ and the Father and the Spirit are eternal

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in both ways. And yet he chose to experience

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what it's like to have a birth and a beginning.

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And now he knows what we experience. The writer

00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:51.140
of Hebrews says we have a great high priest who

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can be touched with everything. He experienced

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pain. He experienced loss. He experienced heartache.

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He experienced sickness. He experienced depression.

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He experienced the pain of betrayal. There's

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nothing that you've gone through that Jesus hasn't

00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:10.880
gone through. It's true. And if he's just an

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.680
eternal spirit who put on an earth suit, then

00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.539
his whole being touched with us is nothing more

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:22.059
than cosplay. And the earth is his eternal comic

00:30:22.059 --> 00:30:25.980
con. You'll have to explain that. Comic -Con

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:27.980
is a big festival where people who are fans of

00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:32.480
superheroes, they go and they see comics and

00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.839
celebrities that are talking about the new movies

00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.960
that are coming out. And all the kids, they dress

00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.140
up like their favorite superheroes. And I say

00:30:39.140 --> 00:30:41.720
kids, but some of them are older than me. And

00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.599
then for that week, they get to live what it's

00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.079
like to feel like Superman or Captain America

00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.240
or Spider -Man. And then at the end of the week,

00:30:51.259 --> 00:30:52.980
they take it off and they go back to the normal

00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:58.279
existence. Christ does not cosplay. Christ is

00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:04.059
not at Comic -Con. Christ is a man. He made a

00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:09.480
covenant with us forever. He took all of the

00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.980
fullness of the Godhead and somehow made it dwell

00:31:12.980 --> 00:31:18.079
bodily without everything blowing up. And I am

00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.900
blown away by that. But we need to understand

00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:24.079
that. And I think a lot of the church, when it

00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:30.059
comes to things like this, we are woefully uneducated.

00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:34.119
And so then people come along and preach heresies.

00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:39.299
And it sounds good to us. And we're driven in

00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:42.049
our culture now. by what sounds good what feels

00:31:42.049 --> 00:31:45.589
good rather than driven by the truth of the word

00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.190
that's why things like the mormon idea of the

00:31:48.190 --> 00:31:51.029
pre -existence of the soul is catching on it

00:31:51.029 --> 00:31:52.970
makes you sound a lot better when you say you're

00:31:52.970 --> 00:31:55.450
an eternal being that is currently dwelling in

00:31:55.450 --> 00:31:58.490
a flesh body right and that's one day you're

00:31:58.490 --> 00:32:01.490
going to go back to your home in heaven no i

00:32:01.490 --> 00:32:06.609
am a being that was created to live a human existence

00:32:06.609 --> 00:32:11.990
and when i finish my race I will be perfected.

00:32:12.630 --> 00:32:14.930
And another area where we get it twisted is some

00:32:14.930 --> 00:32:16.809
churches, even some well -meaning churches, some

00:32:16.809 --> 00:32:19.089
people that are friends of mine, teach that when

00:32:19.089 --> 00:32:23.970
you die, you cast off your body and then you

00:32:23.970 --> 00:32:25.769
just become a spirit being that dwells in heaven

00:32:25.769 --> 00:32:28.549
with the Father and with Jesus. That's not true.

00:32:29.829 --> 00:32:32.769
The Bible says we cast off the burden of our

00:32:32.769 --> 00:32:37.529
flesh, which is our flesh nature. The flesh and

00:32:37.529 --> 00:32:41.380
our body are two different things. OK, our flesh

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:45.460
is our corruption, our sin, all those meaty bits

00:32:45.460 --> 00:32:47.720
of us that are always pulling us away from God.

00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:50.900
Yeah. The rebellion and all of that lying. Our

00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:53.660
body is our body. Right now. Now there's some

00:32:53.660 --> 00:32:55.539
parts of our body that are going to be perfected.

00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.509
Like I'm a bit of a big boy. When I'm perfected

00:32:59.509 --> 00:33:03.029
in Christ, I'm going to be at whatever my optimal,

00:33:03.130 --> 00:33:05.690
if God were to design me perfect, this is what

00:33:05.690 --> 00:33:08.589
I'd be. That's why when people like our friend

00:33:08.589 --> 00:33:11.549
Dean go to heaven and they see people that they

00:33:11.549 --> 00:33:15.650
know, they don't look like exactly how they looked

00:33:15.650 --> 00:33:17.650
here. They look perfected. Why? Because everything

00:33:17.650 --> 00:33:21.059
that was corrupted in you. It's perfect. J .R

00:33:21.059 --> 00:33:23.140
.R. Tolkien, the writer of Lord of the Rings,

00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:25.680
man, I'm really showing all my nerd cards today.

00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:29.980
He wrote it this way. He said, everything that

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:34.539
is sad will be made untrue. That's good. And

00:33:34.539 --> 00:33:37.619
I have lived a lot of sadness and it has been

00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:40.640
true a lot of my life. But there is coming a

00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.759
day in Christ where all of those things that

00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.640
are sad will no longer be true. And I will walk

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.990
in perfection. You know, and my beard won't have

00:33:50.990 --> 00:33:54.549
as much gray and my head won't be as bald and

00:33:54.549 --> 00:33:59.309
my proclivity towards my flesh and my selfishness

00:33:59.309 --> 00:34:02.269
and my sins that I hold. And I'm telling on myself

00:34:02.269 --> 00:34:04.910
because, you know, y 'all can deal with your

00:34:04.910 --> 00:34:06.930
own self. And if you say you have no sin, the

00:34:06.930 --> 00:34:09.750
Bible says you're a liar. So I didn't say that.

00:34:09.769 --> 00:34:12.449
It's the word. So I'm just willing to be honest

00:34:12.449 --> 00:34:14.989
and say, yeah, I am a broken man that needs.

00:34:15.630 --> 00:34:18.050
That redemption, and that redemption isn't possible

00:34:18.050 --> 00:34:24.510
if he is not currently a man in flesh and bone

00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:30.650
who is fully God. Yeah. And I love that. Beautiful.

00:34:31.929 --> 00:34:34.710
That's beautiful. Beautiful. You know, I love

00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:38.730
the fact that right from the very beginning when

00:34:38.730 --> 00:34:43.300
God was saying to them, Did you eat from that

00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:46.699
tree? And he starts going through all of the

00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:52.079
curses that came on them because of their disobedience.

00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:55.139
I was meditating on this earlier today and thinking

00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:59.579
about, you know, it kind of sounds like God cursed

00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.880
them. But I wonder, could it be that God was

00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.980
just explaining to them, here's what's happening

00:35:06.980 --> 00:35:11.349
to you because of your... If you hadn't eaten

00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:13.989
that, these things wouldn't have happened to

00:35:13.989 --> 00:35:17.269
you. But because you ate that, here's the results

00:35:17.269 --> 00:35:21.130
of your disobedience, rather than, you know,

00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:24.849
I'm cursing you. But the beautiful thing that

00:35:24.849 --> 00:35:28.369
he said to the serpent, and I think this is so

00:35:28.369 --> 00:35:31.210
cool. This is so, so cool that I discovered recently.

00:35:31.349 --> 00:35:34.889
I'm here for it. Because you know I'm a Hebrew

00:35:34.889 --> 00:35:38.369
scholar wannabe, right? And I've been saying

00:35:38.369 --> 00:35:41.570
that for years, but I'm finally actually in a

00:35:41.570 --> 00:35:45.349
class to study biblical Hebrew. So my reading

00:35:45.349 --> 00:35:48.110
skills are improving. I'm still kind of like

00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:52.349
a first or second grader. But I know how to recognize

00:35:52.349 --> 00:35:56.809
the vowels and the consonants. And one of the

00:35:56.809 --> 00:36:00.469
few places where all of the vowels are for the

00:36:00.469 --> 00:36:05.250
name Yehovah is in that verse where Yehovah speaks

00:36:05.250 --> 00:36:08.849
to the serpent. I just think that's so cool.

00:36:08.929 --> 00:36:12.030
That's one of the places where all the vowels

00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:13.949
are. And that's not going to be in every single

00:36:13.949 --> 00:36:17.190
version of the manuscript, but it's there in

00:36:17.190 --> 00:36:22.190
the Blue Letter Bible. It's there. Anyway, he

00:36:22.190 --> 00:36:25.789
says to the serpent that you will bruise his

00:36:25.789 --> 00:36:29.670
heel and he will crush your head. And it's through

00:36:29.670 --> 00:36:33.530
the seed of the woman. And right from the get

00:36:33.530 --> 00:36:37.289
-go. There's the promise that the seed of the

00:36:37.289 --> 00:36:39.710
woman is going to bring forth this incarnation.

00:36:40.230 --> 00:36:42.409
Yes. He's going to use the seed of the woman

00:36:42.409 --> 00:36:46.250
to crush the serpent. You know, and there's a

00:36:46.250 --> 00:36:49.170
verse, and my brain is escaping me, and I don't

00:36:49.170 --> 00:36:50.929
want to take time to look it up, but it really

00:36:50.929 --> 00:36:52.530
is in the book, and you can fact check me on

00:36:52.530 --> 00:36:56.889
this, all of you internet lovelies. I'm not afraid.

00:36:58.090 --> 00:37:00.610
It says that the woman will be saved through

00:37:00.610 --> 00:37:03.809
childbirth. yeah i want to say that's in hebrews

00:37:03.809 --> 00:37:06.610
but it's probably somewhere else and a lot of

00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:08.929
people have gotten that twisted and they've used

00:37:08.929 --> 00:37:12.969
it to shame women who can't have kids and i've

00:37:12.969 --> 00:37:14.849
known some people that i've had to counsel through

00:37:14.849 --> 00:37:18.710
that because barrenness alone is enough of a

00:37:18.710 --> 00:37:22.469
hardship right but when people make you a lesser

00:37:22.469 --> 00:37:25.619
saint Because you can't have a kid, you know,

00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:27.960
I have some dear friends that have not been able

00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.559
to have a kid and they had someone, you know,

00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.800
bring that up. And I'm like, I want to give them

00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.679
the full, full laying on of hands with all five

00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:40.719
fold of my ministry, you know, but I have to

00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.000
restrain myself because that verse didn't mean

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.539
that. The verse literally meant the woman saves

00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:53.050
through childbirth. Because Christ was born of

00:37:53.050 --> 00:37:56.030
a woman. Here's a weird, wild fun fact. You read

00:37:56.030 --> 00:37:58.489
the genealogies and it specifies that he's the

00:37:58.489 --> 00:38:02.650
son of Mary. If you don't know that your genealogies,

00:38:02.650 --> 00:38:05.489
just listen to Andrew Peterson. He wrote a song

00:38:05.489 --> 00:38:08.550
called Matthew's Begets that lists them all out.

00:38:08.670 --> 00:38:10.809
And if you listen to it enough, it'll get stuck

00:38:10.809 --> 00:38:14.030
in your head. And eventually you'll learn that

00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:19.480
whole chapter to the tune of a kid's song. It

00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:23.840
specifies Joseph, the husband of Mary, the mother

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.340
of Christ. And scientifically, that is significant.

00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.099
Even though the Bible is not a textbook, a science

00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:36.599
textbook, we know that we get DNA from our fathers

00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:39.739
and our mothers. When, you know, sperm and egg,

00:38:39.860 --> 00:38:43.639
flashlight, fetus, zygote, all that order that

00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.099
we learned back in grade school that I was never

00:38:46.099 --> 00:38:51.900
really good at. One of the things that we get

00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:56.920
that we didn't know until recently, you get your

00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:01.579
blood from your father's sperm. And that's wild

00:39:01.579 --> 00:39:04.980
to me because that has deep implications on the

00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:07.579
incarnation. But don't you get one chromosome

00:39:07.579 --> 00:39:11.059
from each of them? You get chromosome, yes. For

00:39:11.059 --> 00:39:16.650
your blood type. the sperm the sperm is what

00:39:16.650 --> 00:39:20.269
creates the blood makes blood possible i don't

00:39:20.269 --> 00:39:24.289
know all the ins and outs of it but jesus wasn't

00:39:24.289 --> 00:39:26.289
created through human sperm right there you go

00:39:26.289 --> 00:39:30.210
so that human bloodline wasn't passed in right

00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:34.449
he his humanity came from his mother and he got

00:39:34.449 --> 00:39:39.030
all of the the bodily attributes but that bloodline

00:39:39.030 --> 00:39:42.630
that was passed down from his father joseph never

00:39:42.630 --> 00:39:47.420
contributed that it's true And so Jesus got his

00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:51.699
bloodline from the father, which is why he didn't

00:39:51.699 --> 00:39:54.300
have that sin nature that we have deep embedded

00:39:54.300 --> 00:39:57.280
within us. He still had ability to be tempted.

00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.260
He still lived a human life, but he didn't have

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:08.519
that slavery that we have. And then on the cross,

00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.559
he imputes his blood to us. Or, you know, modern

00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:18.099
language, we get a blood transfusion. Yeah. And

00:40:18.099 --> 00:40:21.920
so now my bloodline, which was corrupted because

00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:26.039
my father, Bill, was a broken person and his

00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:28.019
father before him and his father all the way

00:40:28.019 --> 00:40:30.639
back to Adam were broken men. That's what Romans

00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.360
says. I'm not bound by them anymore because my

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.699
blood has been transfused and transformed with

00:40:37.699 --> 00:40:41.400
the blood of Christ. Beautiful. And now. I am

00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.159
seen just as righteous as if I were Christ himself.

00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:50.000
Though I'm not Christ and I never will be fully

00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.320
Christ, his blood flows through my veins and

00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.440
is continually washing me. And his spirit covers

00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:00.119
me and is continually leading me. So there's

00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.380
grace, the spirit empowering me to do right and

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:06.820
telling me what not to do. And then there's the

00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:09.099
mercy that his blood flows through my veins and

00:41:09.099 --> 00:41:12.460
washes me. Every time I sin and I repent, it

00:41:12.460 --> 00:41:16.260
never fails to cleanse me of all unrighteousness.

00:41:16.460 --> 00:41:20.400
Beautiful. All of that because he really is a

00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.500
man. He really is flesh and bone to this day.

00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:28.840
Yes, yes, absolutely. And I loved what Dean Braxton

00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.280
shared at the convention about when it says in

00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.480
Hebrews that Jesus is interceding for us. That

00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:41.440
he is simply standing before the father, demonstrating

00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:47.300
his wounds, showing his wounds. And that is intercession.

00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:52.519
So that's actually a separate chapter that's

00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.260
going to be in my book because I had, now I am

00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:57.719
not Dean. I did not die and go to heaven, but

00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.000
I had an encounter. And then this thing, I've

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.860
shared this story before with other people. I

00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:03.900
don't know if I've shared it here. But in this

00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.380
encounter, I was standing behind the Father and

00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:09.119
Jesus, and I saw someone I knew that was really

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.340
going through some hardship. And the enemy of

00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:14.880
our soul was accusing him. The accuser of the

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.940
brethren is really good at that. And the thing

00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:20.260
is, we know that Satan is the father of lies,

00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:23.780
but he doesn't really have to lie all that much

00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:25.460
because we're really good at giving him true

00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:29.730
things that he can say. Because we all have enough

00:42:29.730 --> 00:42:32.630
sin that we have accumulated that he doesn't

00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:35.789
have to make things up. And so my friend is being

00:42:35.789 --> 00:42:37.389
accused by things that I knew were true about

00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:39.909
him. Things that I've been praying that the Lord

00:42:39.909 --> 00:42:42.469
would convict him of and would help him come

00:42:42.469 --> 00:42:46.969
to righteousness on. And Satan finishes all of

00:42:46.969 --> 00:42:50.510
his accusations. And the father turns to Jesus

00:42:50.510 --> 00:42:53.650
and says, what do you have to say? And Jesus

00:42:53.650 --> 00:42:56.510
doesn't open his mouth. He just takes his hand

00:42:56.510 --> 00:42:58.210
and he holds it in front of the father's face.

00:42:59.250 --> 00:43:01.869
And suddenly we're looking through the wound

00:43:01.869 --> 00:43:05.849
of Christ in his hand. And when you look through

00:43:05.849 --> 00:43:08.650
there, I don't see my friend anymore. All I see

00:43:08.650 --> 00:43:12.730
is Christ. And I heard the father say, what do

00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:17.769
I have against my son? Nothing. Beautiful. All

00:43:17.769 --> 00:43:21.469
those things that were true sins that my friend

00:43:21.469 --> 00:43:25.800
had committed in Christ were nothing. Thank you,

00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.579
Jesus. And I am so grateful. When we intercede,

00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:31.340
we're good Pentecostal people. We shock them

00:43:31.340 --> 00:43:33.820
a Honda. We get the ladies on the ground and

00:43:33.820 --> 00:43:36.940
we wail and travail. And some of them, man, it

00:43:36.940 --> 00:43:39.599
sounds like they're in the nursing ward having

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.880
a baby. But when Jesus intercedes, he doesn't

00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.659
even have to open his mouth. All he has to do

00:43:44.659 --> 00:43:48.139
is hold up his hand. And when you see things

00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:52.039
through the lens of the wounds of Christ, everything

00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.659
else changes. That's true. Beautiful. I sure

00:43:55.659 --> 00:44:00.199
do love him. Yes. And he's worthy of all. The

00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.880
more I have studied the Shroud of Turin in particular

00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:08.079
and the wounds, the wounds that he suffered from

00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.619
the flogging that he received, the more I study

00:44:11.619 --> 00:44:15.659
that and realize how very much he suffered. And

00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:18.900
when Dean saw him in heaven, he saw him shredded,

00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.679
shredded. And you don't even really see. The

00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:29.300
shreds in the shroud, whatever. But what he suffered

00:44:29.300 --> 00:44:36.639
for us, I'm just so overtaken by that. And by,

00:44:36.739 --> 00:44:39.159
what's that scripture in Galatians? I'm crucified

00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.400
with Christ. Galatians 2, verse 20. That's the

00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.599
one. I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless,

00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.769
I live. But Christ who lives within me. And this

00:44:49.769 --> 00:44:52.550
life that I now live in my flesh is not I, but

00:44:52.550 --> 00:44:56.949
Christ. Who loved me and gave himself for me.

00:44:57.130 --> 00:45:01.010
Come on. That's the part. You know, I learned

00:45:01.010 --> 00:45:05.050
that verse as a six -year -old child in a Sunday

00:45:05.050 --> 00:45:08.190
school song. And I sang it for years and years

00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:12.150
and years and years and years before I woke up

00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:15.929
to the fact that the last line is, he loved me.

00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.619
And gave himself for me. Come on. I didn't even

00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:22.380
get it that that was part of that verse. You

00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:24.659
know, I'm busy thinking about how I'm crucified

00:45:24.659 --> 00:45:29.500
with him, not about how much he loved me and

00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:32.179
gave himself for me. Oh, yeah. And that's the

00:45:32.179 --> 00:45:36.820
part that the whole incarnation is because God

00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:42.010
so loved the world that he gave. His only begotten

00:45:42.010 --> 00:45:45.750
son. He became his only begotten son. That whosoever

00:45:45.750 --> 00:45:49.610
believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting

00:45:49.610 --> 00:45:52.269
life. We can have this everlasting life because

00:45:52.269 --> 00:45:56.010
he loves us. And we forget that sometimes. Yeah.

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And, you know, right before his crucifixion,

00:45:59.309 --> 00:46:02.010
he and his disciples are celebrating the Passover.

00:46:02.869 --> 00:46:05.030
And he pulls out the bread and he pulls out the

00:46:05.030 --> 00:46:08.250
wine. Symbols of deliverance and freedom that

00:46:08.250 --> 00:46:10.960
they've known their whole lives. And he says,

00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:15.019
this is my body. This is the new covenant. It's

00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:19.139
broken for you. This is the cup of the new covenant

00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:22.280
in my blood, which is poured out for you. And

00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.320
I believe it's in Paul's rendition. He says,

00:46:25.460 --> 00:46:27.960
whenever you do this, do this in remembrance

00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:33.940
of me. And unfortunately, we've gotten away from

00:46:33.940 --> 00:46:38.960
really remembering in communion. You know, a

00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.079
lot of people literally just, oh, yeah, we do

00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:45.900
this and it reminds us. Yeah. But the table,

00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:50.739
the bread and the wine is an invitation to encounter

00:46:50.739 --> 00:46:56.119
and to experience the life of God afresh. And

00:46:56.119 --> 00:47:00.079
I think we would do well if we made communion

00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.320
or as the old liturgical churches used to say,

00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:09.809
the Eucharist. a big centerpiece of our faith.

00:47:10.050 --> 00:47:14.230
You go to an Episcopal church, they take it a

00:47:14.230 --> 00:47:17.050
few times a year, and when they do the Eucharist,

00:47:17.050 --> 00:47:20.530
the whole service is centered around that. The

00:47:20.530 --> 00:47:23.909
songs they sing, the scriptures they read, the

00:47:23.909 --> 00:47:28.650
liturgy, the sermon, everything is moving you

00:47:28.650 --> 00:47:31.869
toward the body and the blood of Jesus Christ,

00:47:31.929 --> 00:47:35.829
and the whole meeting culminates. partaking it

00:47:35.829 --> 00:47:40.309
together it was written certainly all things

00:47:40.309 --> 00:47:42.829
can eventually just become a dead liturgy but

00:47:42.829 --> 00:47:46.849
it was written so that we would know that when

00:47:46.849 --> 00:47:49.750
we when we partake of these things it's that

00:47:49.750 --> 00:47:52.409
pivotal and that important it's that much of

00:47:52.409 --> 00:47:55.349
an encounter and if we're pentecostals if we

00:47:55.349 --> 00:47:57.889
really believe in the charismatic experience

00:47:57.889 --> 00:48:02.809
the encountering the lord then Why don't we believe

00:48:02.809 --> 00:48:06.670
in the body and the blood of Christ as much as

00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:12.750
even our Episcopalian brothers do? Wow. He said,

00:48:12.769 --> 00:48:15.690
do this. Yeah. He said, encounter me. Remember

00:48:15.690 --> 00:48:19.909
me. And we've made it like a checklist thing.

00:48:20.050 --> 00:48:22.289
You know, we got to do our communion. I've been

00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:23.909
to some church. Some churches take it every week.

00:48:23.949 --> 00:48:26.369
Praise God. And other churches are like, well,

00:48:26.510 --> 00:48:28.369
we did that for a while, but it just became a

00:48:28.369 --> 00:48:32.619
religious duty. For shame on us if the body and

00:48:32.619 --> 00:48:35.440
the blood ever become a religious duty instead

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.019
of an expectation of encounter and a delight

00:48:39.019 --> 00:48:43.480
to our souls. Amen. Amen. Well, would you pray

00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.460
for our listeners and our viewers? Sure. First

00:48:47.460 --> 00:48:50.659
thing I want to pray, I want to extend the invitation

00:48:50.659 --> 00:48:54.719
because we have talked about the salvation. that

00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.659
comes through Jesus Christ. And there's no greater

00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:00.900
gift than any man could ever have. And so if

00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:05.199
you're somehow listening to this and you have

00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:08.739
not experienced that free gift of his glorious

00:49:08.739 --> 00:49:11.539
salvation, I want to encourage you to take a

00:49:11.539 --> 00:49:15.280
minute right now and just simply say something

00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:21.059
to the effect of, Lord Jesus, I know that I need

00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:25.559
you. And I know that you love me and gave yourself

00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:32.000
for me and you became one of us. Yes. I turn

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:36.900
from my sins. I run into your loving arms. Have

00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:41.019
your way in my life. Those words are not magic.

00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.599
It's not some sort of incantation. So if you

00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.099
just say them, nothing's going to happen. But

00:49:46.099 --> 00:49:49.880
if you let your heart. and your soul, live those,

00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:53.780
believe those, and experience those, then the

00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:57.460
living God will pour His Spirit into you, and

00:49:57.460 --> 00:50:02.239
you will be saved and made whole. I didn't want

00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.340
to talk about the Lord and salvation and not

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.400
give you that opportunity. And I know this is

00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.880
a very niche Christian podcast, so most of the

00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:12.460
people that have sought this out are already

00:50:12.460 --> 00:50:16.429
walking with Christ. So I want to pray for you

00:50:16.429 --> 00:50:18.150
that are listening that are already in Christ.

00:50:18.650 --> 00:50:22.170
I want to pray that you would have a fresh revelation

00:50:22.170 --> 00:50:27.389
of the man, Jesus Christ. Yes. And that you would

00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:31.630
come to know the beauty of his incarnation, that

00:50:31.630 --> 00:50:35.190
you would experience the wounds in his hands,

00:50:35.190 --> 00:50:38.590
his feet, his head, his side, that you would

00:50:38.590 --> 00:50:41.610
be taken into those deep places and transformed.

00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.179
And that all the areas in your life where you're

00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:49.980
still struggling with things, that the man that

00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:55.619
is God, that is Jesus Christ, our Lord, is well

00:50:55.619 --> 00:51:00.280
able to transform and heal and restore and confess.

00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.500
And I want you to know in a deep place, way down

00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:09.059
in the pits of your spirit, that he is with you.

00:51:09.369 --> 00:51:13.489
that he is for you, and that he loves you. Father,

00:51:13.610 --> 00:51:16.730
I pray that your spirit would be poured out afresh

00:51:16.730 --> 00:51:19.510
on all of these people. Jesus, I pray they would

00:51:19.510 --> 00:51:23.409
encounter you, that they would know you, that

00:51:23.409 --> 00:51:27.690
they would see you in the beauty of your sufferings,

00:51:27.750 --> 00:51:33.409
that they would be crucified with Christ, and

00:51:33.409 --> 00:51:35.789
that they would no longer live a life in the

00:51:35.789 --> 00:51:39.619
flesh. but that they would live in you. I pray

00:51:39.619 --> 00:51:42.179
that you would transfuse them afresh with your

00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:45.500
blood, that you would wash them, cleanse them,

00:51:45.619 --> 00:51:49.380
and heal them from all the parts of their lives

00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:54.119
that don't look like you. Lord, have your way.

00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:59.420
Let them encounter the living God, for you are

00:51:59.420 --> 00:52:04.239
alive, living, and breathing, seated at the right

00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:09.449
hand of majesty on high. You are flesh and you

00:52:09.449 --> 00:52:14.750
are bone. You are God, man, king, and Lord. Yes.

00:52:14.929 --> 00:52:19.130
And we rejoice in you today. Amen. Amen. Amen.

00:52:20.389 --> 00:52:23.210
You know, I was reminded when you were talking

00:52:23.210 --> 00:52:28.510
about the crucifixion and the wounds. I know

00:52:28.510 --> 00:52:31.969
that you've read my book, Rich Wounds. It's been

00:52:31.969 --> 00:52:35.909
a minute. I probably need to read it again. But

00:52:35.909 --> 00:52:41.309
I'm reminded of the whole idea of this book has

00:52:41.309 --> 00:52:45.909
to do with that all of Jesus' wounds were redemptive.

00:52:46.110 --> 00:52:51.150
And that what he does in our lives as a result

00:52:51.150 --> 00:52:53.349
of our woundings, because we're all wounded.

00:52:53.570 --> 00:52:57.570
You know, the devil starts wounding us as children.

00:52:57.889 --> 00:53:01.849
And this is a bunny trail here, but I was reminded

00:53:01.849 --> 00:53:07.260
recently about... The word that is for lust in

00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:12.099
the Greek word epithymia, it comes from the word

00:53:12.099 --> 00:53:16.880
pathos. So epithymia means lust and desire and

00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.579
things, you know, like desire for things that

00:53:19.579 --> 00:53:23.199
don't belong to us or just strong desire. And

00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:28.179
it comes from the word pathos, which is the diseased

00:53:28.179 --> 00:53:32.809
condition of the soul. And that word comes from,

00:53:32.809 --> 00:53:35.789
I forget exactly the pronunciation, but the root

00:53:35.789 --> 00:53:39.489
word for that one is wound, has to do with the

00:53:39.489 --> 00:53:43.309
wounding. So it's like the wounding that starts

00:53:43.309 --> 00:53:47.849
in our lives when we're children. Yes. Causes

00:53:47.849 --> 00:53:51.449
a disease condition in our soul that eventually

00:53:51.449 --> 00:53:55.050
ends up in causing us to desire all the wrong

00:53:55.050 --> 00:53:59.079
stuff. Absolutely. But that aside, back to the

00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:03.820
idea of my book, Rich Wounds, it has to do with

00:54:03.820 --> 00:54:07.760
the fact that while it isn't necessarily God

00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.440
that allows these wounds to come into our lives,

00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.579
but it's God that redeems these wounds and causes

00:54:13.579 --> 00:54:17.659
them to be beautiful as we let him work in our

00:54:17.659 --> 00:54:22.159
lives by his spirit to transform. And, you know,

00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.820
so many times your mess becomes your message.

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.699
And the thing that wounded you and the thing

00:54:27.699 --> 00:54:30.079
that, you know, took you down the wrong path

00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:35.719
becomes something that God can use for his kingdom,

00:54:35.780 --> 00:54:39.119
for, you know, he'll work with you through those

00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:43.849
things. Jesus bore all of these wounds for us,

00:54:43.989 --> 00:54:47.469
and every wound that he took for us, every embarrassment

00:54:47.469 --> 00:54:50.929
that he took for us, is to deliver us from those

00:54:50.929 --> 00:54:53.809
things. So that was just something that came

00:54:53.809 --> 00:54:56.829
to me while you were speaking about the woundings

00:54:56.829 --> 00:55:01.510
of Jesus and how it's redemptive. Amen. Praise

00:55:01.510 --> 00:55:05.150
God. Praise God. Amen. You know, if you're watching

00:55:05.150 --> 00:55:08.130
and you have questions or comments, I would love

00:55:08.130 --> 00:55:11.380
to hear them. Yeah. And so I know you're watching

00:55:11.380 --> 00:55:15.019
on a podcast. Or listening. Or listening, because

00:55:15.019 --> 00:55:17.800
I tend to listen. I'd love it if you reached

00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.239
out to me. And you can find me on social media.

00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:23.460
It's very easy on pretty much everything. If

00:55:23.460 --> 00:55:26.300
you just search Rev Reams, R -E -V -R -E -A -M

00:55:26.300 --> 00:55:29.940
-E -S, you can find me. And if you think I'm

00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:33.199
totally bunk, you can tell me that too. And I'll

00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:35.440
come back with scripture and we can talk about

00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:37.900
what the Lord has to say. But I want to make

00:55:37.900 --> 00:55:40.840
sure that... I'm not just going to give you a

00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.139
message and walk away. I want to see this message

00:55:44.139 --> 00:55:47.159
take root in your life because I believe that,

00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.599
you know, God wants to do more than just enrich

00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.199
us by listening to podcasts. I believe that these

00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.880
podcasts are meant to be seeds. You know, I don't

00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:58.699
know. I don't know how much feedback you get

00:55:58.699 --> 00:56:01.599
on your podcast. Very little, actually. But I

00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:03.400
would encourage you, those of you that are listening,

00:56:03.539 --> 00:56:07.539
go to Global Outpouring's website. Communicate

00:56:07.539 --> 00:56:11.360
with them. And here's a wild thought. Send them

00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:13.599
an email and say, hey, you know, this is a thing

00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:16.179
that I've been dealing with. I would love it

00:56:16.179 --> 00:56:19.519
if you could do a podcast episode and tell me

00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:21.500
your thoughts and help me work through it. Because

00:56:21.500 --> 00:56:24.659
they would love to be able to serve you and serve

00:56:24.659 --> 00:56:27.300
the greater needs of the body. They're not afraid

00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.920
to tackle just about anything. True. Yeah. True.

00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.289
And then come to all the things. Send your youth

00:56:36.289 --> 00:56:40.170
to Generation Awakening in 2027. It'll be happening

00:56:40.170 --> 00:56:43.750
in the summer. Send yourself to the convention

00:56:43.750 --> 00:56:47.409
that will be happening in July. Come down when

00:56:47.409 --> 00:56:49.570
they're having schools and weekends and events.

00:56:49.969 --> 00:56:53.070
And maybe if you just need a chance to breathe,

00:56:53.329 --> 00:56:56.130
why don't you come down here and serve for a

00:56:56.130 --> 00:56:58.050
couple of days? Spend a weekend down here and

00:56:58.050 --> 00:57:02.070
get in the Ozarks. Get alone with God. Amen.

00:57:02.769 --> 00:57:05.250
Amen. Well, thank you so much, Matthew. This

00:57:05.250 --> 00:57:07.650
has been really a delightful time. Amen. And

00:57:07.650 --> 00:57:09.949
we'll look forward to the next time. Yes. Amen.

00:57:10.190 --> 00:57:18.250
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