(259) "Following the Leading of the Holy Spirit" with Claren and Nancy McQueen

0:00 We're carrying the glory. We don't have to pray the glory down. We don't have to do, you know, yes, of course, it's wonderful to fast. It's wonderful to sing praises and get to that place where you expect God's glory. But really, we can expect God's glory all the time. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit. on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're so happy that you're with us. We have with us today our dear friends of, oh, probably three decades or more, Clarence and Nancy McQueen.

0:55 who are amazing musicians. Claren leads worship in our conventions and around the world in various places. He has quite a history. And we're going to talk today about following the leading of the Holy Spirit as we move and walk with God. Thank you so much for joining us today. This is going to be a podcast you're going to enjoy. But before we get started, I want to encourage you, if you haven't already done so, that you go to our website, globaloutpouring .net. and that you click on our subscribe button to join in our email lists so that we can stay in touch with you and you can learn more about what's going on with Global Outpouring. And there's a place for you to click on events so you can see the events that we have coming up. Most especially, there's Convention 2025. It is going to be an amazing time to be together. Claren and Nancy McQueen will be there. among others, many others that will be a part of the worship team leading in deep, deep connection with the Lord. And the speakers that we have coming, Pastor Tony Camp and Dean Braxton and Siggy Oblander, Jeff Simons and Jean Little and myself. And we're going to have an amazing time in the presence of the Lord.

2:23 We know that this is a place for people to connect, to go deeper with God and to go closer and to make relationships that are going to last for eternity. And just get fresh orders from the Lord. There's people from many nations that are going to be with us, and it'll be a wonderful time. We encourage you, if you haven't ever been to one, or if you have, come and see what God is going to do in your life. It's a family event. Bring your children. We've got a nursery for the little ones and special meetings for the children and the youth. And they're all going to get something special from the Lord and grow in the Lord. So please, please, please. consider coming to this convention. Ask the Lord to make a way for you. We're so happy to have Clarence and Nancy with us. Thank you so much for joining us today. It's our gift. We're very blessed to be able to talk to you. Well, we love you both.

3:18 And wow, I was trying to figure out how long that we've known each other, probably 30 years or so. Yeah, 1991, I believe in Florida. More than 30 years. We were part of Clarence Choir, I think. Not that we went there intending to. Yeah, we came to run the book table. We ended up in the choir. That was fun. It was. I just have to amend that. It really wasn't Clarence Choir. It was the Christian Embassy's choir. Oh, well. Okay. Okay. Well, we were delighted to get to play along, sing along. Glory to God. So you've been one of our worship leaders at the convention for many years, too. We didn't start out that part. quite that many years ago, but quite a few years ago. How long have you been doing conventions with us? Ninety -one.

4:08 Nancy came to her first one in 91. I came, we came from Israel in 92, and I was just there for the night that the embassy was there. We brought a feast of the Feast of Tabernacles, and then we were your Israel night that year. And I think that year, either Sister Gwen or you asked if I would consider coming back and leading worship in the future. And I came back the next year and have been coming every year since then. Because we click. There's something wonderful about the Holy Spirit anointing. That's in your lives. That is also in our lives. And, you know, there's relationships that are built for eternity. And so I expect that we're going to be worshiping together for eternity. Yes.

5:06 What else is there? That's one of the wonderful things to me about global outpouring and the handmaidens and servants is Sister Gwen instilled. And we continue to carry that love for the intimate presence of the Lord. To me, when I think of the convention, I think of let's go spend time in the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. And that can involve speakers. It can involve dancers. It can involve flags or whatever. But it's all about let's get into the intimate presence and see what the Lord has. Yes. Which you don't find in every gathering. True. But you certainly find it in every global outpouring gathering. Yes.

5:58 Well, it's all about Him. Yes. It's really all about Him and about connecting with Him. We want to encounter Him. Obviously, I would say most of the people that come are experiencing a daily encounter with God. You know, walking with him, going deeper with him all the time, going deeper. There's always more. There's always more. There's always more. And I'm reminded of what Dean Braxton says, that as he looked at God, the Father, and as he looked at Jesus, either one of them, he would just get overwhelmed with the glory and the majesty and the beauty and all the adjectives that you can think of. And then he'd look again, and it was more so. And then he'd get overwhelmed and then he'd look again and he was more so.

6:49 So there's this increase. And I've been saying lately that we are designed to go from glory to glory because we're made in his image and he's still going from glory to glory and always will be. So what we have in our hearts, for me, the convention is this amazing gathering of people. who have really dedicated themselves to the Lord. Now, not everybody that comes is that, but there are so many that come that are that. And the 21 -day fast that Sister Gwen experienced that multiplied the anointing in her life. And the Lord spoke to her and called her to call out these handmaidens and servants, that he promised that he would anoint them in the same way that he anointed her. In other words, giving that increase of anointing, whatever your gifting is, there's no cookie cutter business here. It's who you are in him that keeps multiplying. And whenever you get believers together, there is a synergy that comes just because, you know, whatever you carry multiplies because you're with others. But when you get a whole bunch of people together that have done this fast and gone deeper with the Lord, and he's already increased the anointing in your life, you get a bunch of

8:20 those people together. And I think that is part of the sweetness of the presence of God that's there, because you get a whole bunch of God lovers together that are passionate for him. So this synergy that comes together. I think, adds to the weight of glory. There's a weightiness in the presence of the Lord when you just walk in the room, just because we're together again. And we haven't had a big meeting like this for five years. And so I'm really excited to see what God is going to do. Yes. What are you feeling for expectation in this convention? I was just thinking of Anytime I'm at a global outpouring convention, generally people will come up after every service and say how blessed they were in the service, how deep the worship was. But it really comes because there are so many people that attend that do have that passion and hunger.

9:28 They don't care if the morning service is over at noon. They don't care if the evening service doesn't end until after 10 o 'clock, as long as the Holy Spirit is moving. And that's what makes the depth. Because, you know, I can be sold out and leading worship with all my heart. But if people are looking at their watches and wondering what time they can go out and have dinner, then it won't be the same as if people are coming down to the altar saying, yes, more, I'll take more. Yes, Lord, whatever you got, I want more. And that's what I'm always looking for when I come together with the end time handmaidens and servants. There are people that are always saying, whatever you've got, Lord, I'll take it all. Yes. And it does. It makes such a glorious.

10:24 God is able to, you know, the scripture we all know says that I inhabit, I sit enthroned on your praises. So it allows the Lord to say, oh, here's a group of people that wants to build a throne and let me be enthroned for however long I want to be enthroned, which is just. Awesome. It makes for such an awesome experience. Absolutely. How about you, Nancy? I think whenever Clarence has commented so many times that at ETH, at Global Outpouring, at the conventions, when he first puts his hand on the piano and the first chord comes out and he begins to worship, it's instantly everybody in the room is with him. And that comes because of the Generally, the maturity of the people that are there, like he said, ready to go. Right. Ready to go into the throne room.

11:24 Yeah. Yeah. And that doesn't necessarily mean an age. No, no, not at all. Yeah. It's just people that are really longing. Yes. It's something akin to, I think it's the closest thing that I've experienced in the United States. It's akin to when you go overseas and people have. walked for miles to get to the service. They have made a sacrifice just to get there to that building. And the same thing happens. You know, you hit that first chord on the piano. I remember one time I was in a Latin American country and I got up on Sunday morning and I said, let's worship.

12:07 And I played a chord and I looked up. And there were five or six people that had come up to the front and fallen face down on the floor. And everybody else had their arms in the air. I hadn't even played a song yet. I had just said, let's worship. And so they all said, okay, we'll all worship. And they did it with their whole heart. When you do that, it just makes such a different place to be for the Lord. And it opens the gate for him to say, okay, if you really want, it's what Jeremiah said, when you seek me with all your heart, then I'm going to be found. You shall surely find me. Absolutely. You know, the way you're talking reminds me of the Hebrew word Shekinah, Shekinah, as we would say in English.

13:06 Can you give us a little bit of... understanding of what that word means? Because you've got a better Hebrew background than I do. Yeah, Shekinah actually is a word that you won't find in scripture. Right. It was created by the rabbis to describe what it means when the glory of God is present. But really what it means is Shekinah means to dwell. Yes. A neighborhood. In Hebrew, it's a shakona. It's just places where people dwell. And, of course, the last part of that word is Yah, which is one of the oldest names for Almighty God in Scripture. So it means Yah dwells here.

13:56 Wow. So if we're aware of it, and I teach this, I've taught this so many times, I think so many times people think, well, maybe the Shekinah will come if I fast for a long time, or maybe the Shekinah will come if we sing songs and we're really intent. But actually, when we come, the Shekinah comes. Because Jesus prayed in John, the 17th chapter at the Last Supper, he prayed, Father, I'm praying for these disciples, but I'm praying also for all those who believe that the same glory that you placed in me, you'll place in them. So that even as you and I are one, they'll be one with us. Yes. We're carrying the glory. We don't have to pray the glory down.

14:50 We don't have to do, you know, yes, of course, it's wonderful to fast. It's wonderful to sing praises and get to that place where you expect God's glory. But really, we can expect God's glory all the time. Yes, amen. And I think that something is also true in the conventions for the global outpouring because so many people end that. convention have been people that have gone out to the nations where ministry is a little bit more difficult and you don't have just the right piano to play and you don't have all the lighting and the room is not going to get dark and there's not going to be any smoke machines.

15:31 So you're just depending on the Holy Spirit. You know, you get out and wherever you are, I mean, some keyboards that I've played in South America, bless their hearts, you know, I've just thought, okay, God. Maybe we should just sing acapella. I had that with a guitar once. Exactly. You see that just exactly the same thing happens. You know, when I was first starting out, I had a group of college kids that we were ministering through the summer, and we really hadn't had time to practice. And we had gone to Europe. We really had not had any practice there. And then came back, and we're still ministering on our way back to the offices where we'd been sent out. And we started a service, and the music was just terrible. Oh, no. Kids were singing out of tune, and I had a clarinet player, and you know that sound that a clarinet makes? Well, we made that sound a few times. And I was just...

16:40 recently out of college so this the music was so bad and i was just about to get up from the piano and say we're so sorry we're going to give another service down the road i can't believe i was going to do this but i was thinking to do this and you know we're just going to end now i'll say a blessing and you come and see us tomorrow night and we'll sound better I stood up from the piano, and I had not been looking at the audience because I was so embarrassed. But I looked out at the audience, and it's a Lutheran church. Not a Spirit -filled Lutheran church. It's a Lutheran church. And there were people with their hands in the air. Wow. People with tears streaming down their face. Oh, my.

17:26 And the Lord spoke to me in such a sweet voice, and he said, You know, son. I don't need your beautiful music to do what I do. Wow. So I think because we have so many people that have had experiences like that on the field that come together that know it's just the Holy Spirit. It's just the hand of God. So then when they start to worship, they expect, they don't care what the music sounds like. You know, I truly, I've said this often, I think you could probably sing the phone book at a global outpouring convention and people would still be down on their knees because they just expect the Shekhinah to show up. Yes. Because we bring it with us. Yes. We were just on our last five -week trip we just got back on, and the last place we were at, it was a... Sunday morning church in Indianapolis with a pastor. The last time we were there, he says, I want you here for Sunday morning. And it worked out and we came and we went out. It was a tremendous meeting. It was. It was really, really powerful. The Lord gave Sharon an amazing word. And we're out having dinner afterwards and all that. And a lady comes up to me and says, I heard the angels singing. I haven't heard him for five months. Wow. You know, then we had breakfast the next day with Michael Van Vlijmen and his

18:56 wife, you know, and he says, yeah, there was about six other voices that were just singing along. I thought that's great because we just got off, you know, colds and didn't have a full voice back or anything. And, you know, like I say, it's not us. It's the Holy Spirit. We just yield. Yeah. Wow. You know, I had an experience one time. Philip knows this story. Oh, the build. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was one time that I had made the song list for the song service that we were leading. Basically, I was the lead voice and Philip was going to be singing the harmony. And Sister Gwen, our founder, was playing the organ. And so I've got this list. I gave her the list. You know, here we go. So we started and... Got through some of the songs, and all of a sudden, she took it and went a different direction. And I was like, but I got that from God, you know. This actually has happened many times. Probably so. But in this particular case, I heard the Holy Spirit say, you can sing Bill Grogan's Goat, and if I anoint it, it's anointed.

20:10 Yes. Now, if you don't know Bill Grogan's goat, it's a silly little song about this goat that, you know, the man is so Bill Grogan is so upset with him for swallowing his his red shirt or something like his red flannel shirt off of the line. And so he ties him up to the railroad track and the goat coughs up the shirt and flags the train. I mean, it's a silly song. But the Holy Spirit said, if you sing that and I anointed. It's anointed. And we had a lady in another time. It could have been the same school. I think this was a school of ministry class. And she would get up and sing things like, she'll be coming around the mountain when she comes. And the Holy Spirit anointed it. I'm telling you. Because she was saying, I'm seeing this as the coming of the Lord. He'll be coming around the mountain.

21:02 Or maybe it was the bride. The wife, you know, the six white horses. Yeah, he's coming on six white horses when he comes. And we were all kind of like, well, okay. But the Lord was there. The weightiness of the Lord was there. So it's not all about exactly what you sing. It's about his presence. Yes. Yeah. It's quite an amazing concept that, you know, you hear these people complaining about songs that are not. exactly doctrinally correct. And there are lots of them. There are lots of them that have maybe a line or two that are off. But if the Holy Spirit anoints it, it's anointed. And He knows how to fix our doctrine. He'll do it. He's faithful. The Lord spoke to me several years ago about writing sermons.

21:54 And when I first started speaking, I'd taken courses in seminary and they'd instructed us on how to construct sermons and had an excellent teacher at my university, just a wonderful preacher. So I was doing what he had taught me to do. And I would, of course, pray about what I was going to speak. And then I would put together the sermon. And then I would go through the sermon 15, 16 times, just preaching it to nobody, preaching it to the mirror, preaching it so that I was familiar with it. And that was okay. But several years ago, the Holy Spirit said, you know, you should really pray and then consult me as you write the sermon and then go back to prayer.

22:42 Because it's really my presence in the sermon. It's not how good your sermon is. Very true. That's a good word. Wow. And I've heard. I think we've all heard many sermons that were, maybe they weren't constructed so wonderfully. Maybe it was just talking off the top of your head, really. But it was anointed. Exactly. And you don't really care if there's an introduction and you tell a funny story and you make three points and then you make a conclusion and, you know, do all the things that you're supposed to do. If it's anointed. You know, Peter probably didn't have an introduction and a funny story and three points on the day of Pentecost. He just preached what the Holy Spirit was telling him to preach and had a great altar call. We'd all be happy if we got 3 ,000 every altar call.

23:38 Absolutely. He had a funny Galilean accent. Yeah, wow. You know, you commented about people from the nations or going to the nations. One of the things that I love about this convention, back in the day when we went by the name End Time Handmaidens and Servants, we called it our World Convention. But since we now have the word global in our name, it didn't sound right to me to have a global world convention. So we're calling it convention and then the year. But it's always exciting to me to see the people that come from the nations. Yes, it is. And how they're coming opens doors for people who have a burden to go to a nation. Yes. And, you know, we put up flags around the whole room, flags of the nations where our people have gone. And we haven't counted recently. We're guessing that it's somewhere around 160 nations or something like that. I don't know. That's just amazing. And our founder didn't go to all of those. But our people have.

24:47 Our members have. And I'm aware of members and other people that are just interested that are coming from Haiti and from Japan and from India and New Zealand. And they're trying to get visas to come from China. trying to get visas to come from both Congos. There's Democratic Republic of Congo and the Republic of Congo. And we know there's people from Israel. And we've got a lady that's from Belgium originally that's currently working in Bolivia. And I'm sure there will be others. But those are the ones that I can think of right now. And it's exciting to me to see how... God puts things together and relationships get built. And, you know, people connect with each other at this convention. And we're not Taiwanese, but we will be coming from Taiwan.

25:38 Yes, that's right. That's right. You're on your way to Taiwan very shortly here and probably by the time this... goes out. In fact, I think you're leaving the day that this is going to be posted. So, listener, if you're listening, as they'll be taken off on Tuesday, this thing should land on our podcast platform on Tuesday. Pray for Clarence and Nancy as they're going to Taiwan, that God will use them and anoint them. What are you expecting to happen in Taiwan? Well, when we were last in Taiwan, we were actually ministering with Ronis Baropoulos and Myrna Kergeli. And Rona had in her spirit a very strong unction to inspire people to pray for revival in the nation, which they were already doing. And Nancy had a vision at the same time. I just saw revival, the spirit of the Lord going from the north end of the island to the south, just covering over.

26:37 So praying into that. So we've been praying and to that. And then just this morning, I heard a report from CBN News that because of, to a great extent, mainland China flexing its muscles toward the island, it has inspired what they're calling a revival prayer group movement that has touched thousands of people. all over the nation from the top to the bottom. And they are united in groups of three, but there are also larger groups meeting for prayer. But each group has three that they're definitely attached to so that whatever happens to the nation, even if communication systems don't work and transportation systems, there'll still be those three people will be in touch with each other and they'll continue to pray. But right now. There's 24 -hour prayer for revival, for unity, for God's plan to come forward for not only Taiwan, but also for China. And I'm sure you're familiar with so many Oriental people that their heart is really back to Jerusalem, that they feel that. The gospel came from Jerusalem to the Far East and that their mandate in these last days is to take the gospel back through, hallelujah, the 1040 window.

28:05 Amen. And spread the gospel all the way down that. road that was the Silk Road, make it the Gospel Road, all the way to Jerusalem. Amen. And if you're not familiar with what the 1040 window is, it's from 10 degrees north of the equator to 40 degrees north of the equator and from West Africa. I guess all the way across Asia. I think that's kind of what they call the 1040 window. The most concentrated people groups. Yeah, people groups that haven't been reached were mostly in that space. So there have been prayer initiatives, like through the 90s, there were a lot of prayer initiatives. And you could see the people that keep the records were seeing great spikes of evangelism, great spikes of people coming to the Lord when there would be a prayer initiative like that. births, revival, prayer, births, harvest. And that's one of the things that we'll be doing at this convention too, is a lot of prayer. We're excited about how the Lord is going to meet us in intercession and lead us in intercession. I love how the Holy Spirit will pray through us what's on our Father's heart. Amen. So as you're listening to this podcast, please pray for an open heaven, not just, and we'll be there for a little bit less than two weeks. Not just in that time, but just pray for an open heaven over Taiwan, over mainland China.

29:31 Yes. I just heard a word through Joel Rosenberg that it's estimated now that the number of believers in mainland China has grown to 100 million people. Wow. Which is, there were, I think, less than 500 ,000 when the communist government took over. Wow. So it is just awesome what the Lord has already done. But we've been in meetings and past years when we went to the Orient where 9 ,000 believers from all over the world, all Oriental, most of them Chinese, all praying on their faces and their knees, Lord, come. Even so, Lord, come.

30:17 One of the hymns that they were singing back at that particular convention was a Chinese hymn, but they had it translated into English so that everybody could sing together whatever language you were speaking. And it said, Lord, look at all these that have gone through such suffering, that have gone through the jails, that have lost their name for your name. With so many creating such a beautiful bride. Lord, don't you want to come and reclaim your bride? And they sang that. It sounds like they'd be crying when they sang that hymn, but they weren't. They were triumphant saying, look at us. Look at the preparation that we've made. Lord, we are begging to be married to you. We're begging in these last days for you to come and unite with your bride. Don't you want to come? Wow. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. You know, that reminds me of a story.

31:21 of our founder, Sister Gwen Shaw. She went to China, to mainland China in 1947, and ministered there for a while. She was in Inner Mongolia, and then the Lord spoke to her and the team that she was with to go to this Bible school that was run by W. W. Simpson, who was an Assemblies of God missionary. So when they got there, W .W. Simpson kind of chastised them in front of the students and said, why have you come? The Holy Spirit news, because they didn't have any access to news other than from the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has told me that the communists are coming and I'm going home. Why did you come?

32:08 The next morning in front of the students, he apologized. And he said, I'm sorry, the Lord rebuked me and said that he's the one who sent you to take over the Bible school when I go home. So they finished the Bible school teaching the students. They got to the very end. And it was like the day before the graduation, the magistrate came to them and said, the communists have broken through the Guomindang lines. Is that the right words? Yeah, government lines. The government lines. And they'll be here in 24 hours. Here's my card. It won't be any good once they get here, but maybe it'll help you get out before they get here. And, you know, it's a long story. I won't tell the whole story about how they escaped.

32:52 They did manage to get out from Lanzhou. It was the next to the last flight that got out of there. And then they ministered in Taiwan for some time after that, and then Hong Kong. My point is that in 2011, God made a way for Sister Gwen to go back. And it was like closing the circle because that's where she started. And that was her last trip. And she went back to the Bible school and found the people that were left. And learned because she had prayed for all those years, hearing the terrible stories of persecution and imprisonment and all that sort of thing. And, you know, people giving their lives that were coming out of China that you'd hear these stories from was just terrible.

33:43 And she would pray and pray and pray for all those young people. And as they were driving away from there in what they would call a bus, but it wouldn't be a bus like we know it. It was more like a truck with seats in it. She watched them running after this truck and waving and crying. And she prayed for them all those years. So when she went back, she learned that every one of them survived. And every one of them went all across China and began works, began ministering, began churches. And it was something like 300 churches across China. So the seeds that she planted in those days. are still bearing fruit today. It's just amazing. Absolutely amazing.

34:29 But, you know, that's how the gospel is. The gospel is like good seed. That's what Jesus said in his parable. You put good seed into good ground and it's going to bring forth the harvest 30, 60 and 100 fold. So that's what God's doing. God is not stopped by difficulties. He's just inspired to overcome the difficulties. That's right. And he inspires us to overcome the difficulties. Yeah. Hallelujah. We've been hearing the same thing, reports coming from Israel, which I'm sure every believer has been worried about all the things that have been happening in Israel in the last year and a half. But the reports that we get back is that God is working on the lives of both Jewish people. and Arab people, Arab people in Gaza, having visions, having the Lord speak to their heart, people finding salvation in Gaza in the midst of all the difficulty, and the same thing happening in Israel. It's amazing how much God is not stopped by the plan of man.

35:36 He nullifies the counsel of the nations and he frustrates the plan of the peoples. But the counsel of the Lord stands forever. Yes. Hallelujah. Amen. Glory. Wow. Glory. So you two have both been very involved with Israel. We didn't really talk about that, but just tell us a little bit about the things that God had you do in Israel, both of you. After I took my vows in 91, the Lord took me to Israel and I hired unemployed Russians to paint who are artists and brought back wonderful art of theirs. Also started imported into Israel computerized knitting machines to start a little cottage industry for the unemployed Russian moms that they could do at home. And brought the sweaters back. And Sister Gwen sold them. And other people. But, yeah, it was wonderful.

36:37 And met my husband. Yes. While she was working with the immigrants that had come from Russia, she was also playing harp in my worship team at Christ Church. And the Lord started speaking to me. I was traveling in music missions. and in 1981 he said i'm going to do something completely different next year and at the beginning of 1982 he started introducing us to people from israel both arab people and jewish people and by the end of 1982 he sovereignly not by any arranging on my part had opened up ministry for us for a month and a half in Israel and two weeks in Egypt. We sang in Cairo and Alexandria, ministered to people. Some may not know that Cairo has no actual garbage collection system. The garbage is collected by people who live in the dump.

37:47 And the Lord opened doors for us to minister to them. Yes. Just wonderful, wonderful opportunities. We sang for the army in Israel two or three times. We sang on an atheist kibbutz. That was an experience. Wow. The Lord just opened all sorts of doors. And I thought that I would probably, that was my trip to Israel and I'd never go back. But within a year, the Lord began pulling me back. And eventually I ended up being the. music coordinator for the Christian embassy, both in Israel and all of their different functions that they did out from Israel, and also began leading worship at Christ Church, which is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle East. And while I was there, they restarted, two years after I arrived, they restarted a Hebrew -speaking congregation, which had been the original purpose of Christ Church.

38:48 And it is now the largest congregation that meets there. So I learned Hebrew by leading worship in Hebrew. Wow. That was very interesting. You know, I was looking at phonetics. I couldn't read a letter of the Hebrew, but I could read phonetics. And then when... In the 90s, the Russian immigrants began to come. We had a number of Russian immigrants that joined our congregation. So then I had to use the Hebrew that I'd learned because they spoke Russian and Hebrew and I spoke English and Hebrew. So the only thing that we shared was our Hebrew. And they thought I spoke wonderful Hebrew. But if you're Russian and you're just learning the language, I was OK. Tell us the story of the lady that walked into Christ's church and looked around. I love this story.

39:47 You know, the prophets say, both Isaiah and Ezekiel say, I'm going to bring you back to the land. And then after you come to the land, you're going to experience a revelation. And Ezekiel says, I'm going to give you a new heart. I'm going to exchange your heart of stone for a heart of flesh. And then you'll know that I am God and there is no other. There's never been another savior, Isaiah says in Isaiah 43. It's only been me. But once you come to the land, once I bring you from all the four corners and I say to the north, give up. And I say to the south, hold not back. And I bring you from the east and the west. Then when you come, then you'll know who I am. So for a while at Christ Church, because it is the oldest Protestant church in the Middle East, it's kind of a place where people will come, even if they're not believers. And the church was built on prophecy. It was a group from a revival that happened, a prayer revival in Britain. that joined with another group from Germany. And they, looking at scripture and reading prophecy, said, ah, so Israel is going to be physically rebuilt and people are going to come.

41:12 You know, they read Isaiah 43 and they believed it. So they said, well, if all these people are going to be coming to Israel, which Israel didn't exist at the time as a nation. But if they're going to come to the Holy Land, then we need to prepare a place for them to worship. So they built this building and everything in it is in Hebrew. Because they were not building it for expats to come and worship in the Holy Land. They were building it for the people that God was going to bring back who would be speaking Hebrew because they were the people of Israel. And were they speaking Hebrew yet? No, they were not. I love it. I love it. At the time, Hebrew was only used in the services. It was like Latin in the Catholic Mass up until Vatican II. Nobody ever used it. In fact, many of the rabbis taught that you should never use Hebrew if you weren't.

42:11 praying or in a service because it was a holy language. So when Hebrew was being revived later in the 19th century, in the early 20th century, a lot of Orthodox jury fought that because they thought that it was the secularization of a holy language, but that's a rabbit trail. So anyway. Everything that's written in the church is all in Hebrew. It has the Ten Commandments at the front of the church, but it's all in Hebrew. And the symbol for the Trinity is also written in Hebrew. Yehovah is God the Father. Emmanuel is Yeshua, the Messiah, God with us. And then Ruach HaKodesh. Holy Spirit that hovered over the face of the water. So it's set there in three.

43:04 It's obviously the Trinity, but it's still all in Hebrew and from the Tanakh. So I'm working as a guide in this building. And one afternoon, a precious lady came in, beautiful, tall lady with black hair. And she peeks her head on the door and she looks around and she says, Mazzei, what is this? And I said, Zekanesh, yeah, it's a church. And she looks around again, and she says, that's not possible. Look, everything's written in Hebrew. And we went back and forth a few times, and finally I said, look, I go here. It's a church. And when I said that, then she walks over to my desk, she pulls up a chair, and she says, well, maybe you can help me with something then. And she begins to tell me, she says, when I was a child, I was raised when Stalin was in power. And I was taught that there was no God. I was taught to revere Stalin and Trotsky and Lenin and all the founders of my nation.

44:15 But I was taught there is no God. But I knew there was something. So I used to, as a child, pray to the something. I didn't have a name for him. But I would ask him for help. And then she said, when I decided to make Aliyah, when I decided to come to Israel, my government made it very difficult for me to leave my nation. And so many times it was so difficult, I just wanted to give up. But I couldn't because this something that I had been praying to, this force I'd been praying to all my life. It was like almost there was a force behind my back pushing me forward. Don't stop. Go. And she said, now that I live in Israel, I haven't found a job that is equal to the job that I have. I don't have much money. My circumstances are not wonderful. And many times I've thought, well, maybe I should just go back. But I still feel this force behind me. And it strengthens me. And it just continues to tell me, go forward.

45:30 And then she leaned into my desk and she said, can you tell me what that force is? Yes. Now she knew in her heart what that force was. She just wanted me to say it. So if I remember right, we talked about Isaiah 43. I said, yes, I can tell you. And I started in Isaiah 40 that said, do not fear. I have redeemed you. I've called you by your name. I've formed you, my beloved, in your mind. And when you go through the waters, it won't drown you. And when you go through the fires, you won't be burned. And then I took it up to Isaiah 43 and said, and when you come home to the nation of Israel, then you will know that I am God and there is no other. And we continued to talk. And I never saw her again, but I'm sure she became a believer. Amen. As her heart was.

46:28 So she was the epitome of Ezekiel and Isaiah's prophecies. She was just standing in front of me. And since then, I've talked to so many people who were after the fact that they would describe to me the same sort of situation that didn't happen until they... either came to Israel or decided to come to Israel, or that they became a believer wherever they lived, and then immediately they had this desire to go to Israel. And many people said, I never thought about going to Israel. I lived in a wonderful town wherever I was. I had a great job. Why should I go to Israel? What did I need in Israel? But once they connected with the Holy Spirit, then he began nudging them.

47:16 Toward God's plan. Amen. Wow. Wow. I love that. It just speaks to our Father's heart for His people. Yeah. Yes. And not just, I mean, yes, absolutely His chosen people, drawing them, but He also draws everybody. And that's why He wants to pour out His Spirit on all flesh. That's this global outpouring that we've been talking about. Ever since we started this podcast, it's the outpouring of His Spirit. In the book of Acts, where Peter is repeating what is spoken of in the prophet Joel 2 .28, where in the Greek, it says, I will pour out of the Spirit of me. I just love how intimate that is. That's where we started in this recording. We talked about the intimate presence of the Lord. Yes. He wants his people to have that intimate relationship with him. Would you pray for our listeners and just see how the Holy Spirit will lead you along those lines? Lord, we feel you hovering even as we're talking about you. Yes. And that's always true. You say where two or three are agreed together, that you're right there in the presence of that agreement. So let me just ask for all of those

48:48 who are listening to this podcast, Ta 'ase mashu hadash, Adonai. Do that new thing in their life that they're longing to see. And Lord, I just pray that if there are any listening to the podcast who are sort of mulling over, wow, this convention sounds like something unique, maybe I should go to it. Lord, if that's your plan for them, then just give them that confirmation in their spirit, just that simple knowing that, yes, that's the right thing. But if not, Lord, then I just ask that you would confirm. to them who you are.

49:33 Yes, Lord. Just like that lady that was talking to me in Christchurch, Lord, so many of us really are being talked to. We've got that hand behind our back that's pushing us forward, that's strengthening us, that's giving us hope, and yet maybe we don't really have the words to describe what that is. But you're... what that is. So Lord, I just ask that you would confirm that to each individual that's listening. Lord, every heart, every ear that's tuned to this podcast, just confirm to them that just as Deuteronomy 7, 9 says, you are God, the faithful God who keeps your covenant and your loving kindness to a thousandth generation.

50:25 For us who love you and keep your commandments. Yes, Lord. And, Lord, we thank you for being that covenant -keeping, faithful God. Yes, Lord. And just as Paul said, Lord, what our eye hasn't seen yet, what our ears never heard about. what hasn't even entered into our heart. And we, all of us have so much that's entered into our heart, hopes for the future and things we'd like to do and be. But you say, even that which hasn't yet entered into your heart, all that I prepared for those who love me. So we thank you, Lord, that you prepared our heart for all that you have in store for us. We thank you for it in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Check out our website at globaloutpouring .org to find out more information, read our blogs, connect with us, and donate.

51:48 You can also browse our web store for life -changing anointed books. Until next time, this is Sharon Buss. And I'm Philip Buss. God bless you with His overwhelming, loving presence.