(321) Q&A with Dean Braxton Pt. 2: Heavenly Work and Worship, the Role of Loved Ones and Pets In Heaven, and Much More!

0:00 having Jesus is bigger than any crown you could get. The 24 elders, I think, gave us a good example of what to do with the crowns, and that's to throw that to be the Jesus. You'll get your rewards. You'll get your crown, but I'll tell you, you're just going to give them back because you got Jesus. You're going to know what it meant when the scripture said that the man found one pearl and he sold everything. You're going to say, this is greater than anything. I don't care what you give me up here. I got Jesus. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out of His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're so glad that you're with us. This is going to be part two from our convention, our Q &A sessions with Dean Braxton. Everybody loves to ask questions about heaven. And so the audience was involved and I got to ask a question or two of my own.

1:06 And he was amazing with answers of things that some things we expected and some things we didn't. So you're going to enjoy. enjoyed this. It's straight from our convention. We hope that you have enjoyed the rest of the convention. There is a playlist on our YouTube channel. YouTube channel is Global Outpouring YouTube channel. And there's a playlist for convention 2026. So you can enjoy everything that's out there. But we're going to share this part on our podcast. Thanks so much for joining us today. Before we get started we want to encourage you if you haven't already done so to go out to our website globaloutpouring .net. Make sure that you're on our email lists.

1:50 We've got several to choose from, so you can click on the subscribe button and you can give us feedback from there. There's a feedback form, or you can email us at feedback at globaloutpouring .org and let us know what the Lord has on your heart about this episode or any other episode, or if you have any ideas of something you would like for us to tackle on an episode. We'd love to hear from you. We'd love to get your ideas. We'll take them to the Holy Spirit and ask him to show us what to bring. So we look forward to enjoying your enjoyment if you just let us know. And let us know where you're listening from, because it's wonderful to know that we're reaching you, that we're reaching the nations, and that God is doing something in your life as a result of our obedience to the Lord to bring this podcast. So let's enjoy the Q &A with Dean Braxton. So we are together again. To have Q &A with Dean Braxton, our friend. Yes. And we're so delighted that God privileged us to be friends.

2:56 Yeah. You know, I just, I just am so grateful. So grateful for the wonderful things that our father has done, that he has plans for eternity. You know, this is, I just really believe it with all my heart that the relationships we begin on earth are for eternity. Right, right. They are. They are. You want to just comment on that? Yeah, yeah. Is there more, too, about what I just said? You know, one of the things that I point out there, Sharon, is that I really believe the people we don't get along with are the ones that we're going to be with in heaven for eternity.

3:37 Well, the ones that kind of like, ah, you know what I mean? What I really think is going on there is the enemy of God knows that if those two people get together, they will cause great damage to his kingdom. So he's doing whatever he can to disrupt that so that they don't get together. Wow. They're born again. No Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Yeah. You know, they're going. Right. And so I really believe if they partnership, you know, I think about things on the planet. and some of the people that I am connected with. We're great friends and we do, but we have opposite directions in the sense of how we present the word. Me and my brother Rick, I'll use him as an example there. And in a good way, Rick. You know, he's a teacher and he'll dot every I and cross every T. And, you know, he travels with me a lot. I found out last year, one of the great things I had was that when everybody wanted to stay up late, I could go to bed and Rick is still at the table with Tisha. So he would go through the teaching of certain things that they had questions for. And that was really a great thing to have around and finding out that Rick, he's a teacher. And I know that, but he's not the evangelist that I am. Right. You know what I mean? I'm the guy that gets up there and calls in. The door is open for me to go to so many different venues to be able to express the word of God. And that's what I'm called to do. But we work very well together. You know what I'm saying? In the sense of when we're out there.

5:06 I've got Bill going with me. He's more of the profit side of things. Okay. Okay. And so I found out certain people have certain. different abilities that are different to mine, that probably we would look at each other. You know, he's a disciple man. He wants everybody discipled. Good. I'm an evangelist. I want everybody saved. Exactly. You understand what I mean? Yes. And the disciple and the evangelist people sometimes get into it. If you think about it, it's almost like the disciples, people sometimes don't want people to get saved unless they can get discipled. You understand what I'm talking about? And some of them even say, what good is getting them saved as you can't disciple? I can't tell you that.

5:48 I can tell you my job is to get people to know Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior. Somebody else's job is to take them out by hand and disciple. And I have people out there that are discipled in life. But that's on the side compared to what I'm called to do. So, yes, we will, you know, I really believe that's extended. Me and Rick will always know each other. You know, there's not a time we will not know each other. Yeah. You know, this is not a temporal relationship. This is a eternal relationship. Right. You know, in the old days, I used to say a lot of times that people get used to this face, you will see it forever. I love it. And that's just to let people know we will know each other forever.

6:31 Yes. Me and Claire will know each other forever. This is not, oh, I just met you here and I know you. No, it's eternal. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we'll get along. We get along here. We'll even get along better there. Yeah. Is that good news? That's good news. So I have a question that just came out of what you said. If your ministry is all about getting people saved, once you get to heaven, what are you going to do? You know, I don't know exactly what I'll do when I get there. But the joy that I get at seeing people coming to the kingdom will come again. It will come a different way. You know what I mean? I asked the Lord. He hasn't answered that.

7:14 But I asked him, could I stand by you as all my friends come into the kingdom of God and watch their reaction as they come in? Do you understand what I mean? Yeah. And one of the things that I really want to see is when he looks at them like they never seen in their entire existence. I want to see their reaction to that. You understand what I mean? When he looks at you and he looks at you like you never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever disobeyed. How beautiful. I know that's going to be joy. He hasn't said that I get that privilege of doing that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And a number of my, I used to think, this is something, I used to think that nobody that I knew was ever going to beat me into having it. I come back here telling you, and then when I leave, you can leave. Right. But lots of people have gone home. since then you know and so but the reality of it is that that's i don't know exactly but i know it's going to be joyful it's almost like anna said this morning it's something i don't have to know you know what i mean i just have to be there yeah good news that's wonderful news yeah we don't have to know all the details no we don't have to even have the overview we just know knowing him is what's all this yeah yeah it's knowing him yeah so you have your computer open? That's just in case a question comes up and I want to refer to a scripture. I just thought maybe you were prepared to give us something.

8:44 No, no, no. This is in case that if I say something, you know, I give you the scripture. Okay. Here's one. Is there life on other planets? Oh, that's good. What's going on with alien encounters? Is there any planet where they know Jesus? Okay, that's good. Tony asked me a question a few years ago. And it's kind of in this line, and it was really about the different heavenly. There's heavens within heaven. Most of us don't realize there's more than just heaven as we think of it. There's heaven within heaven, within heaven, within heaven, within heaven. There's so many different realms. The scripture reference that we both use was out of Ephesians, the third chapter.

9:28 I think it's the third chapter. I won't say the fourth. The third or fourth word, when it talks about the heavenly realms, that's what the Bible talks about. And in that, when I was there, there were so many what we call planets within heaven. So, you know, we think all the planets are in darkness. You know what I mean? God created planets inside of the realm, what we call the light. Okay. Okay. And one of the things that really got me, and I haven't really... come to comprehend it yet is when I was there, it looked like certain beings, some were angels, some were redeemed, were hurting the planets like owls would be hurt.

10:13 You know, I don't know what that is. Hurting planets. Yeah, there's all these planets. So there are people that are going to be on planets. Not like we think, like aliens here and aliens there. Most of the time people don't realize we're dealing with either demons or angels. You know, some people call angels either demons because they don't know what. angels can look like. One of the good ones is Ezekiel, and he describes the cherub in there. You know, he talks about her having four faces. Now, that would be a great science fiction agent. Sure. Especially the different faces, you know, cow, eagle, human being, and what's the fourth one? Lion. Lion. Think about it. And there's two types of them. There's just not one. Because one is called, it says it has a cherubic face, you know, that type of thing.

11:02 And that would be the ox, if you remove it. But the reality of it, didn't you think it has two wings and it has hands underneath the wings? And that's four hands, you guys. Hands underneath the wings. There's four wings, hands underneath the wings. And then it has feet like a cow. And Ezekiel was doing the best he could to describe that angel. And I know that angel must have landed in this room right now. Some of us would be going out that door as fast as we could. The ones that couldn't would be jumping up and saying, the Lord rebuke you. You know, God is the creator of God. You think about all the creations of the planet that we do not, I always say, interface with in a good way. And that means we don't think they look pretty. We don't think they look. You know, those type of things. So I think a lot of the aliens that people are seeing are either demonic, number one, or they are angels. You know, that's what I think people are seeing.

12:00 If people don't know what angels really look like, they have a hard time defining them. You know, we define them mainly as looking like us, human beings. But if you go through the Bible, you're going to find out angels could look like a pillar of fire. Even when we talk about the burning bush, you know, if you read it. When Stephan or Stephen has talked about it in Acts, he says, and the angel of the Lord, it wasn't that God didn't speak through that bush, but that bush or that fire became an angel of the Lord at that moment. So go to your Bible. There's so many descriptions of angels that look different than what we think they should show up to be like. I know that's going to ruin somebody's collection. They've been collecting angels. You know, the wings and they look like, you know what I mean? But God has so many descriptions.

12:53 You have to go through Sharon on this one. Yeah, yeah. Okay, to repeat for the recording, the question has to do with angels that have... female appearance or male appearance, and these aliens that are purportedly harnessing human organs and taking people and trafficking them and that kind of thing. You know, the Bible tells us that angels don't reproduce, period. Okay. And so that's in the Word of God. That's what, you know, the description I get of, you know, the Word. what they do when you never know why it's thinking like that okay there's a lot of things on the planet we think like but you know i think we get those questions are the area from the the uh tree of knowledge of good and evil and so we come back and work with things and in heaven i used to say this and i'll say it here and i used to say when i was in heaven i didn't see any angels and people said what what do you mean you didn't see their creation of god the word angel means messenger When they become a messenger, then they're considered an angel. And the Bible even says that Satan has his messengers. Messengers are angels. So it's the word that we take and now we make it a being and a reality. It's an action that a creation is doing, whether it's good or evil. Pastors can be called angels. Sure.

14:22 You know, the word pastor can be interpreted into or translated into what? And so when you kind of filter that out, then you can get to see that God has creations. And any creation that God uses, the donkey that was telling Bell that he needed not to go for was an angel at the moment because it was a messenger of God. Do you guys hear what I just said? Yes. But we get stuck on this and that about angels. They become something like we are, the human race. They become a race of angels. In reality, they're messengers. The messengers that came to say that Jesus was being born. They're messengers. That's what I always say, even when Anna's up here talking, and she must have got the message of what to do. Every angel has a message when you see them.

15:14 They're not just there for you to see them because they want to show themselves off. They look good. Look at my wings, man. They're there because they have a message for you. So if you want to see more angels, don't worship them. Take the message from them. That's good. But remember, you still have that ability to go directly to the throne of God and get the direct message from the message giver. Amen. I can't tell you why he uses angels sometimes and he doesn't. I don't know. I don't have that answer. You know what I mean? I'm not God. I'm not asked, why you send that angel to Phil and you didn't just tell him himself? You may come back and say, well, he's kind of hard -headed. But I don't know. I really don't know why he has angels come up and everything. I know when I go, angels are always there. I see. And they look different than most people think they are. And usually when I'm speaking, they're doing something to tell me this is how we're going to flow. And so the angels that I've been seeing in this place have been more hovering over us and flying. Their light, which is their garment, is flittering like someone has a garment flittering in the wind. And there's lots of them that have been flying over us. Just over. They've been just going around and around and around and around in this realm, in this room. And they were praising the Lord this morning with us. You know, they

16:47 were really praising the Lord. And I saw they made the circle, you know, the circle that we did last night. They made that circle up in this above. the people that were doing the so they they very much interacted you know with us in a lot of ways and and i get to see those things when i came back from heaven that realm is no longer a bell before me anymore and i had to get used to that i could see in both realms at the same moment all the time well it's not a moment time that i can't see into that round i see into it right now i just got to make sure that My wife had to tell me this because sometimes I'll fade away into that realm. And I got to remember I'm with you in this realm. To me, there's no separation anymore. Like it used to be. After I left my body, it came back. And that was one of the hardest things to get used to is that I would be able to see in both realms at the same time all the time. That's amazing. Yeah.

17:48 Wow. So your wife says, Earth to Dean. That's what she did. She said, come back, come back, come back. When Sister Gwyneth spoke at one of the schools, she said something that I have a question about. But we need you on a microphone. This is the question. When I was at one of her schools, she said, I'm not saying this is gospel. But I believe because of the scripture that says, I knew you before you were ever formed, that we volunteered to come the way we are. And I have a special needs daughter. And because of Del Evans and Roy Rogers, they had a daughter that was Robin that was Down syndrome. And she died when she was real young. And she wrote a book, Angel Unawares. And when Amber was born, I thought angels, because I just thought, you know, these kids. I believe that they volunteered to come the way that they are. Amber, she loves.

18:56 I mean, she's loved. And so my question is, could that be right? You know, that's a good question. And when I was with the Father of Jesus, I didn't see anything like that. That's the answer I can give you. I can tell you one thing that I came to understand, us that are created in his image, that he's given us the ability to partner with him to produce life. You know what I mean? That child, he puts a spirit in it, and we put the flesh to it, and that's who that person is. And that person becomes that person because of that. Does that make sense to you? I think it's a great honor that God almighty would partner with us to create life. You know, well, you go to your father, you ask him and he'll tell you. There you go. And so I can't get in between your conversation with him. You know, sometimes we think we can, you know what I mean? We think we have party lines and everybody can pick up the phone and, and they, you know, but the reality of it is you and him. And that's. Yeah, you talk to him, he'll talk to you, and then you'll have the answer.

20:10 Is that good news? That is good news. Hallelujah. Here's one for you. What are some other heavenly experiences you have had that were significant? Oh, there's so many. I know. And every moment is a significant moment. God's such a detailed God. So you think about it. There's nothing you could do that isn't significant. You know what I mean? We always raise up and higher. We were created for glory. So how do you box glory and say this glory is better than that glory? Yeah. You understand what I mean? You can't. If you were created for glory or created for life, really, you know, how can you say it was better then than it is now? It isn't. Even when I say when you get there, you're going to have great joy.

21:03 And the next moment you have greater joy. To me, I'm cheating the joy that you just had because it was good, too. You know, it's just joy and it's growing every moment. And you were literally made for that joy. OK. When you get there, you're going to have love. You're going to experience love. You're going to experience love from the Father. You're going to experience love from Jesus Christ. You're going to experience love from the Holy Spirit residing on the inside of you. And you're going to experience love from everything else around you. Everything. Not just the redeemed and what we call angels, but all of creation is going to love you. The grass is going to love you. You ever had the grass to love you? The trees are going to love you. You know, how can you... You put that in a box and say, this is good at this moment. Next moment, it's even better. I can't. You were created for that. That's like you plug it into the wall and you were created for the electricity coming out of the wall. You know, the power more greater when you first get it or the, you know, continuously, you know, and it's hard for us sometimes because we go up here too much instead of stay here where God wants us to be, you know. It's funny, he didn't say he resides in your head. He said you reside in your heart. Yeah, that's important.

22:21 Is that good news? That is good news. So answering that question is, what moment? I used to say, this is good, this is good. And then the next moment I'd say, this is good, this is good. And the next moment I'd say, this is good. Whatever I was talking about. Rick knows and Nancy knows. Every moment I would talk about something, I'd get excited about it. Because it was great. You know, meeting my family in heaven. Wow, that was good. You know, having the father look at me in a sense that I felt like he was saying, well done, that good and faithful servant. He didn't say it, but his eyes were looking at me saying that. When Jesus Christ, when I looked into his eyes and I saw that he loved me and it looked like the best way I could describe it on the planet, it looked like his love would outlast me. But what was really going on is that he was creating new love for me every moment.

23:11 I never knew that. I thought it's just love and that's it. No, he loves you more than the moment I just said that he loves you. That's amazing. And we created for it. That's the thing about it. You know, like how do you put that and say this was better, this was better, this was, you know what I mean? It's just, you know. And then you find out how simple it really is and how complicated we make it. Yeah. You know, and we were really created for the simplicity of things. Amen. Oh, that's a totally different thing. Beautiful. In heaven, did you see the pearly gates? Oh, that's good. That's a good answer, the pearly gates, because most of the time you're referring to the New Jerusalem and most people don't know.

23:55 Right, Revelation 21, 22. Yeah, that's what they're... We think pearly gates are when you come into. You could say that because of the light that you go into. You could say that was more like a pearl -like brightness. But the reality of it, I did see the gates. There's more than one gate. There's a lot of gates there. But they're alive. And so they're changing every moment. Everything in heaven is alive. I think I read that Nehemiah 9 -6 to you yesterday. Everything in heaven is alive. Nothing's dead. Nothing's dead. It's intelligent. It can talk to you. And that's the way it was on the planet. Everything on the planet was at one time alive in a sense that God created every animal could communicate to everything. You know, there's a scripture in the Bible that I love it. You know, people like me, we see these things. I don't think we're seeing it because we are looking for it. I think it's helping us to realize, yeah, we ain't as out there as we think we are. Because when I first came back to the earth, I thought, I'm not going to be able to fit in with nobody. I've got to be so by myself. And that's one of the reasons I emphasize things in the word of God is because the word of God helped me to understand that God had done these things and then he placed it in his word. You understand what I mean? Yeah.

25:18 And so in saying that to you. Remember when Baal was leaving and the donkey was talked to him? Remember that, you guys? Yeah. Listen, if you read it, it says, some translations say it one way, some translations say it the other way. This is what it says. And God unbind his mouth or loosed his mouth. Wow. You know what that means? That means it had to be bound. Yeah, he was muzzled. So animals' voices are all bound or tied up. Or they would talk to you. And that came about because of the fall. I'm not, because in heaven, every animal is going to talk to you.

25:59 Every animal, your pets are going to be there. Okay. They're going to come to greet you in every pet you ever had. Even the ones you, when you were a little kid and you had. You know what I mean? One little girl one time, me and Rick was at a church in Vancouver, Washington. And this little girl turned to her mom as she heard me say that, Mom, we're going to have a lot of those goldfish because we don't do too good with them. But every animal that you've ever had, every pet that you ever have is going to come to greet you. And I didn't believe that before. I thought. animals didn't go to heaven. I thought, just like a lot of people, I was taught that they didn't have a soul and a spirit, and that's not true. The Bible does say they have a soul and a spirit, and that's mainly found in Ecclesiastes and Genesis, really. When Noah went out to get those animals, he was told to get two of the clean ones and seven of the clean ones and two of the unclean ones. And the word he uses says, go get everything that has breath, and that really worried if you study it out. It really says soul or spirit. And then Ecclesiastes, the third chapter, Solomon, the smartest man at the time, the man that asked God for the wisdom, he said, you don't know where a man's spirit goes, whether it goes up. You don't know where an animal's spirit goes, whether it goes down, saying they have a spirit.

27:14 So that was the argument. And some people would say, well, that doesn't really mean the same spirit we have. Yet, when you translate it into the Hebrew, it means the same spirit. You know, in the sense of describing spirits. So they do have to. And I remember seeing them come in. I'll never forget that. They were coming in like anything on this side of me. There were just so many of them coming in. You know what I mean? So, and one of the things God has told me many times we get into his business when we're not invited into his business. And the scripture reference he gave me was Psalms, the 50th chapter, the 10th verse, where he says, I own the cattle on a thousand eels. They are mine. And he almost like said, they're mine and I could do whatever I want with them. Amen. Stop telling me what I can do with my animals. But I've been told I've been a heretic because I've shared that with people. People say, no, that ain't true.

28:15 You're out there telling people falseness. Well, I will tell you this. Jesus Christ is the only way you get to heaven. There is no other way. So you don't have to believe that animals go. Did you hear what he just said? There's no requirement to believe that animals go to heaven to get into heaven. Amen. OK, I'm just letting you know that, you know, I'm just telling you what I experienced. I tried to bring in the word to show it to you. But if you don't believe it, that's OK. When you get there and that dog or that cat come up and start talking to you and says, you know, you didn't believe I would be here. They won't.

28:55 But I'm just saying that to you, you know. OK, here's one. Is it biblical? to have people who have passed on come and speak to you in dreams and dream encounters. Okay, this is, oh. I'll start off with the scripture reference first. Good. It's found when Jesus was on the Mount of Transfiguration. That's right. Elijah and Moses first came and talked to him. So we know it can happen. We know people that have left this planet and gone to be with the Father and Jesus can be sent back. to talk to someone on the planet. As a messenger. As a messenger, okay?

29:36 And so if God wants it, I say it that way. If God wants it, it can happen. The thing that you don't want to do is you don't want to start worshiping your ancestor. And sometimes when we're grieving, as artists we're grieving, we start going to the person that left instead of going to the source. You guys hear what I just said? So I have to be careful about that because sometimes, but God can send anybody back on the planet if he wants on the planet. Okay. I believe this is Dean Braxton. Guardian angels that are sent to guard over people are people that were part of the family that left and are sent back here.

30:17 I believe that. You know what I mean? Let me show you a scripture that kind of. Clarence, you tell me. Okay. Remember when Peter was released from prison by the angel? And he comes to the door, or I think it's Rhoda. Yeah. And he knocks on the door and he says something and Rhoda goes back inside and talks to all the people there. Remember what she said? She said, Peter's out there. They said, no, it must be his angel. And literally they thought Peter had come back as an angel. You guys hear what I just said? You read it. It's there. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I just believe that God and his, we are not taken off the playing field when we leave the planet. God could still use us in the heavenly realms, you know, the fight and spiritual warfare, even in those realms. Yeah. So. Here's another hot one. And I don't know whether you know the answer to this or not, but it's a why. Why not?

31:18 Okay. Why not Enoch on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus, Elijah, and Moses? You know, I don't know why. I never asked. It's kind of good that people ask those questions because in heaven you don't ask them. And you don't even remember if you have them to ask. You know what I mean? They're not going to even come up any longer. God, I can tell you this. When you get there, God's going to make sure you know everything you're supposed to know. And it's more than you know now. Family is so good. Because he wants you to get to work. Ooh. You know, a lot of times we are learning along the way and we're not working.

31:59 Do you understand what I mean? And so God wants you to get to work. And someone may say, well, work, no, work is not bad. If you look at Genesis, the first two chapters, work was a blessing. Yes. You know, then the curse came in the third chapter around work. But work was never given to us to be bad. It was really to be a joy. And when you get to heaven, you're going to have purposes and you're going to have work to do and you're going to enjoy. Is that good news? Sweet. That's beautiful. Okay, here's one. What is Jesus' relationship with his mother in heaven? That's really a good question because I saw Mary there and she was worshiping the Father. And how she was doing it, me and you were talking about this. I went to Israel with Sharon and Phil last year. And the main reason I went there, because I wanted to see the things that were in Israel, the things I saw in heaven, and how they were portrayed on the planet. Because we say it's a Jewish culture. It really is an heavenly culture. And the Jewish people were given the formulas to some of the things that are in heaven.

33:07 So everything that the Jewish people did when it came to worship or praising the Lord. glorifying God, was really downloaded from heaven. And so when they were building the temple and the tabernacle, they were literally given those blueprints we know from heaven. You guys know what I mean? Okay. And God is a detailed God. So what he was doing, he was taking an image that was there and putting it down here. And we were doing the best we could to make it in the best image we could to represent what it was up there. You know, the cherubim that were on the Ark of the Covenant, you know. One guy asked me, he said, do they look like that? I said, they're alive. They move. Do you know what I mean? They're not stuck there. I think you said at the time, frozen in time. Yeah, frozen in time. Yeah, he said frozen. But the reality of it is everything's alive there. And so what we describe here, we look at something here, it's a lie there. But one of the things that me and Sharon talked about on podcast was the Drake Offering. Remember that?

34:12 The Drake Offering and everything like that. And one of the people I saw that was, what do you say, walking in that to present the Drake Offering was Mary. She was presenting a Drake Offering to the Father. And it was liquid light. It was so pretty. I can just tell you that. It was beautiful to see her. And the other one that did it was Abraham. Abraham and her, they were lifting up this liquid light like a drink offering, you know, that they do here on the planet, if you read the Jewish customs. And it was like, wow, she was just lifting it up like that, you know, to the Lord. And it was so beautiful, you know. So I saw her doing that. She never stopped doing it. So it wasn't like she did it one time and that was it. She'd do it, and then she'd get some more liquid light, and she'd do it again, and she'd get some more liquid light, and she'd do it again, and she'd lift it up to the father.

35:12 So that's where I saw her. You know, in a sense, Jesus, you know, I saw him in the field or in the meadow when he was talking to a whole multitude of beings, some angels, we were called angels and some redeemed. And he was really coming up with strategies on how to get people born again on the planet. You know, I like what Anna said. Where is Jesus? You know, this morning she was saying, where is Jesus? I mean, get in line with his strategy. You know what I mean? What does he want? Sometimes we try to get him in line with our strategy. And we need to be really more into his strategies. So that's where I saw him, but I never saw them together. The only time I could say was when Jesus, during the praise and worship, we were all called around the throne of God to tell how much we love him. And Jesus literally left me, and he walked, and he literally walked into the Father. And they would become one like we would think one is. They're always one in your way. But now they would meet our definition of what one would be. Do you understand what I mean? He melted away into the Father.

36:20 So again, as Mary is worshiping the Father, Jesus is there. She is literally worshiping Jesus at the same time in that moment of giving that liquid. Beautiful. And the scripture references I use are found in Revelation when it talks about... that Jesus is on the throne and God is on the throne or the father's on the throne at the same time. They can't be on the throne. That's, you know, get out of my way. I got to see, you know, you know, that type of thing. Literally Jesus is inside the father at that moment. Is that good news? It's so beautiful. You know, so it's in it. So he came forth from the bosom of the father. Yes, he did. Yeah. So heartfelt. Yeah.

37:03 Okay. So how do I get to a place of walking in multiplication and walking in the glory continuously? I don't know how anybody else gets there. You know, those are personal questions. Okay. Because there's so many barriers that each person has that is unique to them. Yeah. And it's like. For me to try to tell you how to walk in that, I can give you some examples of how I do it. You know, I get up in the morning and the first words out of my mouth is acknowledging my Father and Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The first words, okay? I know that my mouth was created to talk to my Father, so I'm going to use it for what is... created for number one number two is that i go into prayer and i start praying for people and i pray in tongues over people and i and i pray over pictures so i go into but i also tell the father right off at the bat i say hey i meet you i say it every morning you know every morning i say i need you and then i say this i thank you that you want me i know we say he needs us no he wants us Or someone said, I don't like the word want. He desires us. The Lord literally desires to be with you all the time. And then I say, not my will, but your will be done this day. And I have a plan that day. And sometimes he changes my plan to his plan. And I'm okay with it. Bill knows that. Rick knows that. We

38:34 got plans that we go and do some things. And God says, no, this is what I got planned today. You know, and sometimes it means slow down. Don't go so fast. And sometimes it means go faster. So I would say to someone, you know, yielding yourself to the Father first thing in the morning. And I made it a habit. Do you understand what I mean? I made it a habit on purpose, you know, because I want to be able to take. what he has given me, and be the best person I can in that moment on this planet. That's the way I say it. But that's me. But I don't know what the barriers are. The barriers for Bill to be there, it's different than the barriers would be for me.

39:22 And so God will deal with those areas. And I think there's tests that come up every once in a while. God wants to know if we're going to pass the test. He does test us, you guys. It's true. If you fail the test, doesn't mean you're not going to have it. Doesn't mean you're not going to be with the Father and Jesus in heaven. You know what I mean? Just means you get to take it again. That's what it really means. You get to take it again. Some of my friends know, ah, you didn't make that one. You're going to have to take this over again. And I've been tested on a lot of things over the years. Even after coming back, I've been tested, you know. Yeah.

40:03 Because, you know, you'd be thrown into fire sometimes. It's true. But it's all for our good. Yeah. It's always for our good. Yeah. Yeah, it's for our good. It's really for his good. Ooh. You know what I mean? You want to elaborate a little on that? You know, there's nothing no one else could do in this room to be able to go to be with him forever. Because if you're bored again, you're going. Okay. So when he has you do something, it's really for his good because he wants others to come to know Jesus Christ. He wants every one of his children, you know, his offspring, those that he made on the planet to be with him forever. But they have to choose.

40:45 So, Clarence, he's going to send you to some places that you say, well, it's for my good. It's really for you to reach the people there so that they can go to heaven. And that's for his good. Is that good news? You know, it's okay to have that, you know, to me. It doesn't always have to be for our good. It's good. You know, it doesn't, you know. Sometimes we think, and in the United States, we have a harder time with it because we're so ampered in so many different ways. I'm serious. We have so many good things going on here. And if you go other places, like we were talking about the gasoline, the diesel being $30, what is it, $30? $14. $14. And then, The gasoline was $10 and the orange juice, you know, and everybody. But, you know, I look at it like Mary Lois said, you know, God wants to provide the resources. See, sometimes we think we're blessed because we got it at a cheaper price. Not knowing God can meet any price. it's true you know that's a wait a minute wait a minute you know and we say we got to be good stories yeah you got to be good stories but there's sometimes god wants you to pay even more not because you're paying more for yourself you're paying more because somebody else needs it oh that puts things in perspective yeah i remember traveling i don't know five hours to a restaurant one time because i was just following the holy spirit doing what anna said just knowing the holy spirit was leading me somewhere and i um Got there and the food

42:19 wasn't the best food in the world. It was really not the best food in the world. And I asked the Lord, I said, why am I here? That's why I asked. And he said, because they prayed and they needed the money and I knew you would go. Wow. You can't say that was for my good. You know what I'm saying? But that's what he said. They prayed and I knew you would follow and they needed the money. So he sent me, tell me you know what I'm talking about. Beautiful. You know, so when you're looking at those, probably totally covering that in the capacity area, you got to remember God, he could cover it all. Someone said something yesterday about finally getting that authority from heaven.

43:02 And it might be you, Sharon. I'm not sure if it was, but they said there was no lack. I've been trying to get people on the planet to understand there is no lack in God's kingdom. No lack. We say abundance. No, there's no lack. There's no end to it. It's just good news. If God wants you to do it, he will provide it. Now, you may have to do some steps for it to get there, you know. But Sharon telling her testimony, you know, I had some friends, they're not in here now. Yeah, they're back there. They're telling me their testimony, how God has blessed them financially, and now it's come in. You know, I can tell you great testimonies of how God has blessed me, you know. you know, provided the resources, but he's still on you guys. Is that good news? Somebody needs to hear this because you've been struggling and you're doing it your way. And God wants you to start doing it his way. You know? Well, that's good. Okay. Here's one. Do family slash friends get together and have fun like fishing and camping and picnicking and hunting? Well, you do have fun. You don't have all the camping and fishing and things. No hunting. No hunting. Just thought I'd check. I didn't think there would be. Remember, everything's alive. So if you hunt one day, they get to hunt the next day. There's no doubt. So no one's killing nobody. If you're fishing, there's

44:35 always a catch or release. And then there's always trading off. You're one day being caught and then you're being released. Seriously? Seriously? Yeah. No. The joy you get from whatever you do and those things, you'll get again, but it'll come a different way. You're not going to lose the joy for things, you guys. It's just going to look different. It's going to be different in that way. And getting together, the family is together, and some of you will hate to hear this all the time. You know, because separation isn't like here on the planet. Like I'm separated from my wife. She's in Virginia. I'm here. You know, because even if she was in Virginia and I'm here, we would still be connected. It'd be like we were right next to each other. And just in the way it is, you know. And it wouldn't be me transporting myself. We're just connected.

45:34 It would be so pure. It's a pure connection that I can't even explain on the planet because we had so many bears and I could come. It'd be close to like you and Phil. You're so connected. You know what I mean? If something was happening with Phil and he wasn't here, you would know it. Do you understand that? But there's all those filters still going through there. What's going on? How did it happen? But there you would just know. It'd be like you were there when it happened. Does that make sense? So families always, and they're there because they're serving together. They're really families called to be together because they're going to serve together. Some of you, you're thinking, well, I don't really have family that are born again. They have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And that's your knowledge of what you know of your family when you get to heaven. You got to find out if you have more family than you could ever imagine that is there. I did. I had more family there than I could ever. And it was generation after generation after generation after generation.

46:31 Every family member there knows you, dear. Wow. You know, and they're rooting for you. And I mean, rooting in a sense of they're praising God for the victorious things you do. They literally turn to God and give him praise. Like we're sitting here talking right now. Your whole family's up there. Yeah. Wow. Thank you, Jesus. Seriously, they're up there praising God right now. Is that good news? That's exciting. Good news. Because we're spreading the gospel. We're expanding the gospel, the good news, you know, out there. So they're there. And so friends, you know, one of the four groups that come to greet you, and I always tell people, this family comes to greet you in. Every friend you ever had, this was amazing to me. When I got there, there were friends that I knew in El Paso, Texas, when I was only two or three years old. Do you understand what I mean? We played together. Some of them had already gone to be with the Father Jesus in heaven. When I got there, they came to greet me in. You know, they had accepted Jesus somewhere in their lives.

47:31 Okay. And then they had gone on to be with Jesus or what you guys call die. But, you know, I don't know what die I call it, leaving the flag, you know. And when I got there, they all came to greet me in. Every friend I ever had in school that had been there, everybody. My friend Kenny, I remember when he left the flag, he was my best friend. He came to greet me in, you know. So every friend you ever had. on the planet will come to greet you in if they're there in heaven. And you say, well, how do they know? Okay, there we go. That's earthly thinking. You know what I'm talking about? They don't have cell phones. Okay, you know. So -and -so is on his way. We better be there now. What time is he supposed to be in there? Because there is no time. There is no time. But they know. They know exactly.

48:23 So every friend I ever had came to greet me. And you will fellowship with them in a way that you have never fellowshiped with anybody on the planet here. You just don't have the flesh to stop you from really fellowshipping like God wants you to. Anybody that you help to come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. You know, and it doesn't mean you led them to the Lord. You gave them what we call the center of prayer. But maybe you brought them to church or you had something impacting in their lives and they accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. They'll come to greet you. You know, then the last is your pets, every pet you ever had. You know, all those goldfish. All those little chickens. You know how they used to do that for Easter, the little chickens. Oh, yeah. All those animals. And I know some of you may say, I don't know if I believe that. It's okay when you get there. It doesn't matter. When you get there, you know, they'll come in your way. It's not on your belief system.

49:28 It's on what God has done. Beautiful. Beautiful. So here's another question. Did you see godly women up there like Catherine Kuhlman and Gwen Shaw? You know, that's really a good question. Yes, I did. Again, they are doing what God wants them to do. And so everything is worship. I came to understand true worship is doing the will of God. Get a hold of that. You know what I mean? Because, you know, I was always taught when we get to heaven, we're all going to just... worship the Lord. And I thought we were all going to stand around the throne and tell them how much we love them and everything like that. But when I got to heaven, I knew everybody was worshiping God because they were doing the will of God. So, yes, I did. They were doing the will of God.

50:09 I saw Marie Woodward -Edward. Oh, yeah. And she was with her family doing things and connected. She smiled at me. You know what I mean? Wow. All those children that she lost because it took her a long time to obey God. Yeah. Yeah. All those children. And they're working together now. They're working together. Awesome. One of the most unique conversations I had there was this one lady. And she told me how she left the planet. That's how we say it there. We left the planet. You say die. We say we left the planet. Because you don't die. You know what I'm saying? Like you just got on a plane and came, you know. And she was telling me she left out of China.

50:52 She was in China and she ministered in the caves in China. She was telling me the story of how she ministered in the caves in China. Wow. Okay. And she's not somebody that's written in any book. You know, her name is not somebody that people know or anything like that. And yet she was telling me all these things that God had her do in China to get people to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Beautiful. You know what I mean? And then I, of course, when I got back to the planet, I always wondered about her. And I was talking to a friend that was one of the missionaries in China. And I said, well, are there people that live in caves in China? Because she lived in the caves. And she said, there's people up north that live in caves right now.

51:35 And then she said, the Christians will always go into caves when they were being persecuted. Wow. And I thought that was interesting. But she was told me her story of being called and going out there and doing that. But we don't, she's a, we would call a no -namer in the sense of on the planet. But her impact was so great in bringing people to come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Beautiful. Beautiful. Hallelujah. Then there's going to be so many like that. There are so many like that, you know. There are so many people that are just obedient to doing what God wants them to do, and no one knows who they are, but they just do it anyway. Wow. They get a big crown, the ones there. You know, in heaven, you come to understand having Jesus is bigger than any crown you could get. The 24 elders, I think. gave us a good example of what to do with the crowds and that's to throw that to be the jesus you'll get your rewards you'll get your crowd but i'll tell you everything you're just going to give them back because you got jesus you're gonna you're gonna know what it meant when the scripture said that the man found one pearl and he sold everything you're gonna say this is greater than anything i don't care what you give me up here i got jesus amen If you enjoyed today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also looking for a

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