(322) Q&A with Dean Braxton Pt. 3: Your Place in Heaven, the Intercession of Jesus’ Scars, & the Fiery Glory of God!

0:00 Every scar he took for you is still on him. So all the shredding, all the shredding. He's more beautiful than you could ever imagine. Do you understand? When you look at him, he is beautiful. But the scars have never changed. You know what he says? By his stripes, you are healed. You know how it says he advocates for you? We think he's up there talking. No, his very body is advocating for you. His entire being says you have the right to be there. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss. Welcome to the podcast today. We're so happy that you're with us. We're going to have part three now of the Q &A from our convention, Q &A with Dean Braxton. The second session that we did was so long that we decided we can split it into two episodes. So you're getting the second half of that second. Q &A with Dean Braxton. And he answered some very interesting questions. And it was very hard to stop them. It was almost impossible.

1:18 People were jumping up out of the audience to come and ask questions because they didn't write down everything for me to ask. And I didn't read everything that they wrote either. There wasn't time. But we just kept going. So that means we get to have a third episode out of this. And we hope you're going to enjoy it. Thanks so much for joining us today. We really, really expect you're going to enjoy this episode and that God's going to speak to you through it. And he's going to open up something new for you. This is about equipping the saints because we are here on this planet to do on earth as it is in heaven. I really believe that in our generation, especially. I'm sure it's been for every generation, but in our generation especially, God is opening up so many testimonies of people who have been to heaven so that we're learning more about the culture of heaven and what heaven is really like. It's all in the Bible, and Dean is very careful about bringing the Word of God. to bear over what he says. He says, this is what I saw, and here it is in the Bible. So he's very clear about that.

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3:28 Let's enjoy the episode. How do you balance living on this planet while still walking in the supernatural? That's a good question. So here I am. I've come back to the planet. And I had told the Lord I would stay here until I'm 95 to get the gospel out to as many people as possible. At that time, I was 48. So, you know, I'm 68 now. I'm getting there. Those first few years, I was doing everything I can to get my checklist. I figured God had a checklist for me. And I needed to hurry up and get the checklist checked off so I could get out of here. Seriously, that was my goal the first two years. I was going around checking.

4:16 You want me to do this? I'm checking that off. I'm doing this. I'm checking that. Because I figured every check meant getting closer to going home. You understand? And so my son came to me one night, and he was crying. And he said, Dad. You know, can't you go back to be the man that you used to be? And I was a pretty good man beforehand. I loved my wife, my children. I was having a good, you know, things were really good when this happened to me. It wasn't like I was at the bottom and you got to have a wake -up call. I was at the top of my life at the moment. And as he was saying these things to me, I was thinking, I don't want to go back to be the same man I used to be. Because I'm telling you the truth, you guys. I don't have the same fears that I had. You know what I mean? I had fears, you know, I was a Christian, but I didn't want nobody to question my Christianity. You know, I wouldn't, I would never set like this as a question and answering and just take them like this, you know, before I had fears. Are you asking me? Oh, no.

5:11 You know, those type of things. You know, I was always afraid someone would find out the true me. You understand what I mean? Because, you know, we want to have that mask in front and we want people to think we're like this. But behind the scenes, we got this other person. So I but all those fears were gone. It didn't matter if you knew who I was. I still get to go to heaven. I mean, that was freedom to me. That's freedom. You don't like me. That's OK. I still get to go. You don't like what I'm saying. You don't agree with what I'm saying. OK, I still get to go. Do you understand what I mean? And so all those things were gone, and I was free. I think, I don't want to go back to be that man I used to be, you know? And he threw out the trump card, I call it. He said, Dad, can't you just pray? I thought, oh, I don't want to pray to be the man I used to be. You guys get this, you know? And he left the room crying. He was about 22 at the time, and he left the room crying.

6:08 And I remember laying in, I was in my bed at the time. I was laying in the bed, and I said, Lord. how do I live here? How do I walk on this planet? Because that's what I looked at it. No longer was I part of the planet. I just walked on the surface of it until I walked away. You know what I'm saying? Like that, you know. And this is what Jesus said to me. He said, do it the way I did. And I said, we're all supposed to be doing it the way you did. So that's how I learned to walk in this. I'm just doing it the way Jesus did. He gave us an example of how to do it. Yes. And we just follow his example. Is that good news? I know it's simple. You know, I could write in a book and give you five great ways to follow Jesus, but the reality of it, you've got the Word of God, and it tells you how to follow him. Is that good news? Beautiful.

7:04 Did you meet Elijah? Did I meet Elijah? I did meet Elijah, you know. Elijah, Elisha. Eli Joe was the question. I'm glad I met both of them. Okay. I did meet him. And how I met him, Elijah was walking past me and he was going this way. Communication, you don't have to stop and talk to someone for a long time. Communication can be real quick to get a lot of information. It's always, you know, from thought to thought. You could open your mouth and talk if you wanted to. But we communicated thought to thought. And how we did it, Claire, so you can hear this part of it, because I think it's really unique. We did it with pictures. It wasn't words. If I was going to talk about this iPad, I'd just give you the picture. What does that tell you about the Hebrew language? It's pictures. Is that cool?

7:57 Even the language that God gave them was a heavenly language. Now, we put it into words, but in reality, it's pictures. Is this cool? Is this cool? All right. So in saying that to you, so Elijah, when he was walking by, we communicated really quick. He had a big smile on his face. Anna asked me that earlier. She wanted to know, does he have joy or something? Because we think of, which like she said with the Jesus, we think of those guys always serious and stern and everything. Man, you want to have joy, go to heaven. My entire family, when they came to greet me in, all had a big smile. They were all grinning. Every one of them was grinning. You don't get it. I always tell people, you know you're in heaven when your entire family's grinning all at the same time.

8:53 It is a joyful place. You know, ain't nobody sad up in heaven. Ain't nobody worried about anything. Ain't nobody got things to talk about. Like, oh, you don't know how life is up here. You know, that type of stuff, you know. I'm just letting you know that because I just want you to understand that he was smiling when he went by me. I would challenge you to think about those Bible characters as funny people with a lot of joy. We think of them as serious. studying, you know, think about them. Think about Peter and John playing jokes on each other. Think about it. Good jokes. Like what? Give us an example.

9:44 I saw, this is what I saw. I saw this creation of God or being of God. You could say it was a little boy, but it wasn't a boy. I always tell people what we call children in heaven are really complete. That's where they're at. That's where God has them. They're complete. Because there's no time in heaven and there's no, like you can grow from one moment to the next moment. No, there's no time. So on the planet, we have time. That's how we measure people being here. But in heaven, there's no time. So there were beings that looked like children, but they weren't children. They were complete. That's what I always tell people, okay? There's no time. How do you measure someone's growth when there's no time? You're out of time. OK, so I wanted to say that because I saw this one being looked like a children, wasn't a child, but shooting straight up in the air. And I saw the living water just make an arch like this. Like this. You know, just like this. And this one being was shooting so straight up. And all of a sudden, the water splits open like this. Okay? Just on both sides. And the being, the little boy, went through and got on the other side and just stood there because you could stand there. It's like walking on water.

11:00 You know what I mean? There's no fear in heaven, so you can go as high as you want. Yeah. It doesn't exist. Falling doesn't exist. Yeah, it doesn't fall. He stood there for a while and it seemed like the water was saying, ha ha, you missed me. You know, who's going to believe that? I didn't think it at the time. I thought about it when I came back to the planet. Who's going to believe that could happen in heaven? But it's going to be so much joy. You know what I mean? And so I could see us doing funny things with each other. You know what I mean? Just to have a laugh. And the person that you do it with, they'll be laughing too. You know, I know Bill, my friend Bill, he loves to do jokes. I mean, he's looking forward to it because he comes, he can get up there and joke a whole lot. You know what I mean? And people will laugh at his jokes up there. But there's no putting anybody down. There's no putting anybody down. What about sarcasm? Is sarcasm? No, no sarcasm. None of that, right? No, none of that. No one, no. The truth, we have truth. We go with truth. Truth is truth. That is beautiful. God's truth, not our truth, is truth. Amen. What was the atmosphere like and what are the buildings like? Okay, the atmosphere was a goldish white. It wasn't blue like we have here. Our atmosphere is made up

12:31 of water, so it's blue. But in heaven, it was a goldish white. When I described the color, someone said it. I'm telling them it's like a sunrise. You know how you see the sunrise and it looks so pretty? And the yellow and the white kind of blend together. I call it a goldish white. And it's alive. It's intelligent. It can speak to you. And I know sometimes we have a hard time with that because some people think, well, what am I breathing in? But you're living off of Jesus. You're not living off of the atmosphere anymore. You're not living off the... food we have on the planet, all that stuff. You're living off of Jesus or the Father only, okay, with the Holy Spirit residing on the inside of you. I always have to put that in there. So in saying that to you. the atmosphere and the scripture references when it says the seven thunders spoke remember it said the seven thunders spoke and it said there wasn't trumpets that it was it was the seven thunders and John wanted to write what they said and then he was told not to write down what they said remember that yeah so they're alive they can talk to you there and it's more than one atmosphere we say seven there's a whole bunch of atmosphere they can talk God is a creative God. So he has more than one, you know. And none of you are going to be surprised about it because the Holy Spirit already knows that on the inside of you. He's just going to have the freedom to say, hey, this is true. This is the way it is.

13:56 Is that good news? Beautiful. And then the buildings? Yeah. Okay. The buildings, there's so many structures of God that is created there. Now, we always go to that one scripture that says, in my Father's house are many mansions, and we use the word mansion, and we think we're all going to get a big mansion in heaven. And then it says, I go to prepare a place for you. And when I got to heaven, I came to understand that I didn't have a mansion like people think you have a mansion. Okay. I did have a place in heaven. That's just for me. Okay. Even the word that really, when you break it down in the Greek means dwelling place. If you really break it down. Okay. And when I went to Bible school, they told me it was like an apartment. And I said, oh man, I don't want to live in no apartment. I want to go back to Lisa mansion. But if you really break it down, it means space. And this is what got me when I realized. What was really being said in that scripture was that, you know, a place and then it goes down to space. There's a space in heaven for you that no one else could fulfill but you. And it's not a physical space. There's a space in the family of God that no one else could fulfill but you. In my family, I'm number two. And I'm number one today. You know what I mean? I'm number two. I got older brother and then I got two younger brothers. If I am to leave this planet or die, my number three, third brother here doesn't move up into number two. It was

15:29 my space. You guys get this? It's good. There is a space in heaven that only, and Jesus says, I go to really prepare a place for you in my family that no one else could fulfill but you. Is that cool? Is that cool? I know the mansion and somebody said, well, I want my mansion. I want that. Well, the reality of it, you don't need it anymore. Okay. Everything is perfect. And now I'm going to get a little more detail in that. The atmosphere around you is perfect. How you like it is the way the atmosphere around you is. Like Phil, if he was there, his atmosphere would be different than your atmosphere. Someone say, how can that be? That's God. You know, he's that detail. Is that cool? Is that cool? Well, well, well. You know, that the atmosphere around you is created for you. And you say, well, what about when I get tired? You don't get tired.

16:27 Your spirit never goes to sleep now. It doesn't go to sleep when you sleep. Your body goes to sleep, but your spirit is always moving around. You know what I mean? So it has different parameters in there. The buildings do have a reason. When I went into the buildings, because I did go into buildings. I ended up in a different realm every time. A different realm. A whole different realm. I think, this is Dean Braxton, C .S. Lewis must have had a glimpse of that when he wrote The Chronicles of Narnia. And the one that talks about the musician and the nephew, he talks about there's a realm that you could go into to go into different worlds. If you jump into the pool.

17:15 You guys hear me? And I when I was there, it was like when you went into a building, you were all in a whole different realm. You know, it's almost like I don't want to use this one because I'm going to, but it's almost like when Star Trek had their virtual room where they could be in that realm and it would be a whole different, you know, they could be at the ocean or they could be somewhere. So the holodeck. Yeah. And literally, literally, you go into these buildings and you're in a whole different world. You know? Heavens is still expanding. I don't know what is expanding it. It's getting bigger every moment. He just didn't create it and that's it. Okay?

17:57 It's still expanding. Inside and out. Is that cool? Is that cool? Is that sort of like you've got numbers? Go continuous forever. Forever. Going in both directions. In both directions. You know, all those different directions. Even when you were describing the sounds, you know, how we get to this side. Yeah. We can't see all the light. You know, we can't see that side and that side. You know, it's continuous still. It doesn't stop. Yeah. You know, just because we have not discovered what it is yet, someday maybe someone will. It's still there. Yes, and continuing.

18:38 And continuous. I love it. There is no end. How do you measure eternity? You don't. There's no measure for it. Wow. I did two question and answerings years ago. I don't think you were with me, Rick, when I did these. One I said was seven hours long, and the other one was six and a half hours long. Wow. Yeah. And what made it really longer were the kids. Kids ask the best questions, you guys. You know, we're staying within the theological stuff, but the kids, they go, you know. I always tell people, kids ask the best questions. And one of the examples I give is this father was telling me about his daughter, and they were praying about this dog. Did I tell you the story?

19:25 And they were praying about this dog that had died. And the father prayed first, and then it'd be like Michael. Okay, I'm going to use you. It'd be like Michael prays first and he prays for this dog and everything like that. Dog has died already. And then your little girl gets up and she starts praying because it was a little girl that started praying. And the first thing the little girl said is, God, heal my dog. That's what she said. And the dad stopped and said, honey, honey, honey. She looked at him and said, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to God. Yeah. That's the mindset they have. You understand what I mean? So when I go and do question and answering, if little kids are in it, they are going to go there. And they ask, one of them asked me, does Jesus have a belly button? You know what I mean? Yeah, he has a belly button.

20:18 He had to have one because he had to die as a human being on the planet, you know. That belly button, I'm waiting for someone to write that book called Jesus Has a Belly Button. But they've asked so many great questions, you know. That's great. I was in an elementary school. Michelle was there, and Bill was there. You were there when we went to that elementary school. Remember all those kids asking you all those questions? It was so beautiful, you know. They were asking, and they asked questions. Is there dinosaurs? Of course, the boys want to know if the dinosaurs are there, you know. Some good girls want to know if there's unicorns there and things like that. And what did you tell them? Everybody wants to know that. The unicorns is easy because even if you go in the Bible and you Google it, it says unicorn or unicorns, you'll find there's references to them even in the Bible. Okay. And so, yeah, they're there. They're there, you guys.

21:15 And then the dinosaurs, I tell people there are creations that we would call dinosaurs, but they're not dinosaurs. And most people don't realize that most of the dinosaurs were real small. They weren't big. We got the big ones, and then we got the little big ones. And we still got them today. They're called birds. They're all around us. Interesting, huh? So I love to sit down with them because they have no boundaries in there. And they're not worried about me showing the video, whether I died or not. You went to heaven? Tell us about it. They always ask me this, though. One, somebody asked me, someone asked me, did you see my dog when you were there? They always want to know about their pets. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Pardon me? I don't know the criteria of how they get in, and God makes a difference there. I do know if we look at Leviticus and we read in the book of Leviticus, we find out that there are animals that are evil animals.

22:21 Ticks. Ticks. Yeah, ticks. Chiggers. Chiggers. Spiders. Yeah. I do know when Adam messed up, things got perverted. Yeah. And some things that were not supposed all of a sudden took on a different form, a different attitude and started doing things they weren't supposed to. They became predators and prey. They became, yeah. Usually I don't really try to get into that that much, you know. I just want you to treat your animals right right now. One time we were in New Zealand, me and Rick, and one guy asked me when he gets to heaven, is he going to have a stampede of cows because he was a cattle rancher? I'm not into killing animals, but I will tell you what came out of my mouth. I said, yeah, they're going to all run up to you and say, you should have done this a long time ago. Because they in heaven now. But I'm not asking you to kill your animals.

23:24 Do you understand what I mean? I got to make sure. Remember that, Rick? That's funny. So how do animals feel like when you want to eat meat and you slaughter animals? It would be more not asking how animals feel as much as it would be how God feels. Okay. How does God feel about it? He's okayed it. He okayed it, you guys. So do they feel like they're giving themselves as a sacrifice? We didn't get into that conversation when I was up there. Well, we have yet to find out. I didn't go to any of the lambs that were killed on the altar and say, hey, did you feel like you were doing a great honor to us? If they have the same thinking that we do, no one's really talking about how they left the planet. You know, they died in a car accident or they died because of some disease. It's no longer an issue there.

24:28 They're there. You know what I mean? The lady told me how she left the planet, and it's because she was telling me how she ministered in the caves. And I don't really, to this day, know why she picked me out to tell me that. I'm thinking I will probably run into her family somewhere. You know, somewhere I'll run into this family, and they'll say, you're talking about my great -great -grandmother, or you're talking about my Aunt Chozo, you know, somebody like that. Beautiful. I know when I was there, I was... I'm carried with a kidney stone and I got sepsis and I left the planet. I wasn't healthy. And I wasn't even trying to think about how, you know, all I knew is when I saw Jesus, I knew he got me there and all I could do was thank him. You know, so all those animals, they were probably thinking the same thing. It's not a discussion. You know, the biggest discussion out there is getting people down on the planet to know Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. That's the main thing. You know how it says it's going to have a new earth and a new heaven? Yes. And it's going to be the fire is going to. Remember, you guys? Yeah. The fire for us that are born again is really the glory of God. Beautiful.

25:40 Jesus said something to me when I was there. He talked about Sodom and Gomorrah. And this is how he said it. And God came. That's what he said. We call it fire and brimstone. You know what I mean? The glory of God. We call fire and brimstone. The glory of God showed up in Sodom and Gomorrah. That which is sin cannot stand in the presence of the glory of God. Amen. You want to go a little bit deeper? Yes. The lake of fire is the glory of God. No, it's not for us. We're okay with it. It's his glory. But those that don't know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, sin, I mean. God's glory is terrible for them.

26:27 Right. So when you read your word and you see the fire, it's God's glory. Is that right? See, we're thinking we're on that side. We're not. We're on this side. We call it consuming. You guys getting this? Yes. It's consuming fire for us. It's the glory of God. We always say we want the fire. We want the fire. People that don't know Jesus Christ and the glory of the Savior, they don't want the fire. Yeah. You find that out when you get there. His glory. What they think is bad is good for us. You got a question?

27:13 Yeah, we're going to let you. since you came all the way from Salt Lake. I just wondered, what was the significance of when Jesus was on the cross that they didn't break his bones? Was that significant, or is it just that they didn't? Like, because you're being hit the way he was, why didn't any of them break, and was there some significance to that? That's a great question. And I'm going to tell you, the Bible said it wouldn't happen, number one. It's in the scripture said they wouldn't break bones. Our bones give us the form of who we are. If you think about it, our bones don't deteriorate like our flesh does. We are still finding bones that are, you know, thousands and thousands of years old. It's true. You understand what I mean? That skeleton that we made to be looking evil was really a good thing in God's eye. You know how we get the crossbones and skull and all that stuff?

28:20 But in God's eye, the skeleton really represents eternity. Ooh. And there's a scripture in Psalms that says, all my bones will say, Yehovah, who is like you? Yeah. So it's like our bones are still. Still speaking that even though they're just laying there. So I can see God not wanting the bones to be broken because of what they really represent in the spiritual realm. Yeah. When you get to heaven, okay, and you get your glorified body, guess what you're going to have? Glorified bones? You're going to have bones, glorified bones. You know? See, on the planet, because of the deterioration, we don't get to experience what the fullness of what God had created. Because Adam had bones. Eve had bones. And they were never to deteriorate. Think about it. You know?

29:19 I always say, and there was another thing that we are going to experience. We're going to really know what it's like to be one true being. And what I mean by that is now we are spirit, soul, and body. When you get your glorified body, you're just one. It's all together. That's why Jesus, when he came back on the planet, he could go through these walls like anything. He has his body. You know what I mean? With flesh on it. But he could go through the walls. But we've made them evil because, you know, you know what I'm talking about. But anybody in that warlock group, you know, witches and things, they honor the bones highly. And they know something about the bones. So this whole death culture that we've got. Young people wearing all kinds of bones on their clothes and stuff. Yeah. How do we pray and redeem that? That would be even more than just redeem it from the young people, because I really think it's more than that. It's our society that's been taught that the bones are evil. I mean, we've been taught this for generations.

30:32 You know what I mean? It's not just something that just came out now where people have put it out there. But we've used the bones in a bad way for a long time. Yeah, like Halloween is all about skeletons and bones. I'm waiting for someone to go through the Bible and really study this out. This is not my area. You know what I'm saying? One time I was going to get a doctor. He was going to do it, and then he went on to be with Jesus. And so he didn't, because the bones have the life in it. You know, the marrow breaks life. That's true. You know what I'm talking about? And so there's a significant spiritual aspect to our skeletons that has not really been brought out. Okay. You got a question over there?

31:21 Come on. Okay, my question is in regard to what you shared about us being in heaven, when you were in heaven. We didn't speak English to English, but thought to thought. Yes. My question to you is, have you experienced that here on Earth since you've been back, that maybe you, for example, thought of a person that you haven't seen or heard of from in a long time, and when you were thinking about them in the next few minutes or within that day, They either like called you or showed up. And is that, okay, for me personally, I've had several of those experiences. And I asked the Lord about it. And I heard that the veil is getting thinner and thinner. And when you say that, you got to understand, let's go back to the foundation. The foundation is all of us are connected. Every one of us connected.

32:30 Us that are born again know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We're connected. How are we connected? We're connected through the what? Divine. Divine. And we are the what? Bridges. So every one of us is connected. What stops us from being able to communicate in that pure way is that we got our flesh. And our flesh stops us a lot of times. But every once in a while, our flesh. is moved to the side and we can communicate that way. Husband and wives get that way after a while. You know, you probably, Nancy, could finish your sentence in a moment. You know what I mean? And you probably think, oh, Nancy's back there. And you probably think, oh, she just, no, she's getting them information, thought to thought. So is that really spirit to spirit? The spirit to spirit, you could say it that way. But when you're in heaven, there's no longer that. there any longer.

33:23 So you can, you know, people always say, you didn't see everybody there. You're right. But I was connected to everybody. Oh, Sheila. You know, just like you're connected. Oh, we won't. Well, okay. We go. We'll go so far because some of the people I can't, they're not, they're having a hard time. with this. And so this doesn't get you into heaven. Jesus does. They don't even have to believe a word I'm saying. Jesus gets you there. Because I know when you get there, you're going to know all this anyway. You know, those barriers are no longer going to be there to stop you from moving in that direction. I'm wondering what it's like to be at his feet. What it's like to be at his feet? Yes. When I was at the feet of Jesus and the love was coming off his feet and out of his feet toward me, I never wanted to move. I did not want to move.

34:31 Really, when people start asking me to describe what he looks like, my insight says, I want to just tell you what his feet look like. Because it doesn't matter what he looks like. You're before your Lord and Lord and King of Kings. And the love that's coming out of him or off of him to you, you know, I always say his feet loved me. How do you describe that? You know what I mean? So that's what it was like to be there. And I could have stayed there forever. So did you see the nail scars? I did see the nail scars. You know, and I saw the nail scars in the feet and I saw the nail scars in the hands.

35:11 And I'll go there. It wasn't that there was just one print of nail scars. They were in both places. They were in the palm and also in the wrist. And if you read your Bible, it says nails. It doesn't say in the hands. It doesn't say two nails. It says nails. And we always think that it's just one nail in each. And I and that was out of my my box. I will tell you that. And I I did look. That was one of the few I went to the scriptures. I said, now, let me look this up, Lord. And then and then I saw that it didn't say the number of nails. Do you understand what I'm talking about? And then I thought to myself and I said to him, I said, why would that be?

35:56 Because they wanted him to stay on that cross. You know, this is a man that did all these miracles. They knew that. Those people that nailed him to the cross, you could say the demons and devils and evil spirits, but those people knew that he did all these miracles and they wanted him to stay on that cross. Wow. So they weren't going to put him up there with little scotch tape. No bungee cords. No bungee cords. They were going to make sure he stayed. And so when you get there, you're going to see he has to nail. You want to know something else about Jesus? When you really get to see him, you're going to see that. And now I know he presents himself on the planet to you many ways. Okay. But in heaven, when you get to see him, you get to see him as he is.

36:42 And the scars are still on him. Every scar he took for you is still on him. You know what I mean? So all the shredding. All the shredding. He's more beautiful than you could ever imagine. Do you understand? When you look at him, he is beautiful. But the scars had never changed. You know what? He says, by his stripes you are healed. You know how it says he advocates for you? We think he's up there talking. No, his very body is advocating for you. His entire being says you have the right to be there. Wow. So he carries the scars still, you know. I didn't know that until, well, I had the picture of Jesus being, when I was there saying, you did this for me, all of a sudden he showed me this picture of him being on the cross. And he's showing me all the things that he had to go through in hell.

37:36 I remember Sharon even told you that. And I didn't really understand the significance of the spraying of the blood, like spurting out of him until she told me what it meant with Jewish customs. Yeah, the Hebrew word for the spurt. The Hebrew word in that in Isaiah 52, like the next to the last verse. And so you're coming back to the planet. And remember, this is outside my boxes. This is not how I thought it was going to be. And the next thing along, there it is in the word of God. You know, that's one of the reasons I'm so strong on that word of God is because I thought a lot of this wouldn't be in there. I thought for sure. But it is. You're probably still going to find the other 1%. Yeah. As you read. Yeah, the 1%. But I'd say that about the body. But he's more beautiful than you can imagine.

38:31 I don't like to tell people a lot of times because we get this image, oh, he's all scarred up and he looks bad. But no one's thinking that way. He's more beautiful than you can ever imagine. When I looked at him, I just. thought, you did this for me. That's all I could think of. I wasn't thinking about what he looked like. All I could think about is what he did for me. And I just thanked him so much. I just wanted to thank him. I was so grateful that he died on that cross for me and went through all that for me to be there with you. I just, I mean, you think you appreciate him now. Get to heaven. You're going to really appreciate him. To find out you never die. That you don't have to go through the sting of death. That he took your curse. It becomes a reality. Wow. Was part of his beard missing?

39:28 Was part of his beard missing. That's too physical, huh? No, that's not. Sometimes you get way out there for people and there's no death in hair. I mean, there's no death. Yeah, there's no death in hair. Hair is alive in heaven. Everything is alive. So our hair is dead, particles. In heaven, your hair is alive. If you want it to. The question was, does it grow? And the answer was, if you wanted to. If you wanted to grow, you have the... Oh, boy. Let's get this question here so I can get out of this. When you were speaking about thought to thought. Yes. You weren't thinking in English, were you? Yeah, that's good news. No, I wasn't. Do we think in tongues? We think in tongues. Let me tell you about your tongues. Here on earth, can we not think inside in tongues? You can. Even if we don't know. You've got to understand what tongues is. Tongues is your heavenly language. It's your language that God gives you to what? Communicate to him. The

40:58 Bible tells us that in Romans. Am I correct? Our first Corinthians. It tells us that in Corinthians. I think the 14th chapter. Okay. It tells us that. When you get to heaven, you don't lose that. You have your language. Everybody has their own language in heaven. Yeah. If you communicate with another person, it's the same thing. You're communicating in your tongues to their tongues. And they understand. It comes back to the day of Pentecost. When they were all speaking in tongues and everybody heard in their own language. Yes. Yes. Yes. Is that cool? Is that cool? That is cool. You know, and let me, because you got to understand, because you'll go to Corinthians, the first Corinthians, the 13th chapter. Yes.

41:42 The verse where it says tongues will cease. You know, it says tongues will cease. Okay. That word cease, if you really look at it in the Greek means pause. Okay. And it really means it takes on a different meaning. It's no longer a tongue to you. It's your language. No longer do you speak English or Italian or Spanish. It's your language. And that's one of the reasons I think that the enemy attacks dogs. You know, we say because you can't understand us. It's your language. You're speaking your language that God has given you to talk to him. That's beautiful. You know, I've meditated on that scripture in 1 Corinthians 13, and I've wondered the idea of tongues will cease has to do with the fact that we communicate in heaven thought to thought. We don't have to use our tongue to make that communication. It could be. It's just that when I was there, they were all speaking. When everyone came around the throngs of God, they were singing in their own language. And so I only spoke to Jesus. I only spoke to Jesus. Everything else I speak was thought to thought with somebody. Just, you know, we talked. It's me and Clarence was talking.

42:56 I give him the table and that was it. Yeah. So short conversations. Hey, I don't have to describe it. I just give you the table. You know, so there's more questions out there. You try and turn this into a six and a half hour. Yeah. I thought it was fascinating when you talked about the bones being life. And I've just been thinking about the whole circulatory system and the blood. What happened to the blood? What happened to the inner part of the body? If the bones are part of the body, where's the blood? What happened? Jesus is everything. The Holy Spirit really fills in everything. Where your blood would be, the Holy Spirit is blowing in that area. Ooh. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Well, the blood comes from the bones, you know, the marrow. But remember how I talk about the praise around the throne of God, and I talk about the Holy Spirit partnered with my spirit to come up with the words to tell the Father how much we love Him? Well, the Holy Spirit fills your entire being. It becomes everything.

44:09 Where there was blood, it's the Holy Spirit. What is pumping it is the Holy Spirit. You understand what I mean? All those things that were before now are the Holy Spirit living in you. God Almighty. So is that what Adam and Eve lost when they ate the fruit? Yeah, they lost all that. Yeah. Wow. Selah. Then deterioration came. I call it deterioration. We call it sin. You know, it's death. Death came in to the planet. Okay, just one more question, and we really need to break because we're supposed to start in an hour and a quarter. I know Jesus knew how long you were in heaven. Did the family members and friends, did they know you were there temporarily? Oh, the ones that were there? Yeah, I know Jesus knew how. We all believed I was staying. Oh, they did too? The family? The family that was there also believed I was saved. Oh, so they didn't know you were temporarily. Let me tell you why. Let me give you a reason why.

45:14 Because when I was there, Jesus was saying to me, no, it's not your time. Go back. Okay. I knew I had a choice. It was right here. Okay. I'm putting it right there because I would have to look at it to acknowledge it. And I thought to myself, why wouldn't I do what you said? You did all this for me. And then I felt like a soldier. Yes, sir. You know what I mean? And I felt like he was saying, I need you there more than I need you here. Okay? So I never looked over here to look at the choice. Do you understand what I mean? Now, there have been times, being back on the planet, where I've said, I should have looked. But the reality of it is I know I'm on my way home and that's before me. So I'm glad you asked that question. You know, I always say my wife and Jesus ganged up on me. You know what I mean? You know, she kept my body and the ability for me to return into it. Do you understand what I mean? By her prayers, my body was sustained enough for me to return back into it. Because if she didn't pray, this body would have started deteriorating more. And I would have came into a body that could not be. Well, Jesus could do it. Don't get me wrong. But she was the one that really battled to keep this body. You know, I couldn't go into another body. You understand

46:45 what I mean? And see, I think sometimes when a person leaves the planet, the enemy of God does everything he can to the body so that you. Can't come back into it. I think the enemy, if you leave the planet earlier than you're supposed to, I know it's a covenant. The man wants to die in the judgment. That's really talking about Jesus. But the reality of we know that people have left the planet and came back, not just people like me, but in the Bible, there were people that left the planet. And then the one that really blows it apart is Hezekiah. When Hezekiah was given 15 more years. If it was appointed once for him to die, then why did God extend it 15 more years? I really say that we should leave the planet when our work is done. Amen.

47:36 And I think you just leave. You just leave. What about people who decide they don't want to do what they've been told they're supposed to do? And they stay? No, and they check out early. And they leave the planet. Yeah. Well, they're born again. Jesus Christ the Lord saved them. They're going to go to heaven. They're going to go to heaven and they're going to stay. Ain't nobody up there getting mad at them because they, you know, got there. I mean, we don't have those attitudes no more. There are people that left the planet earlier than they should. You know, there's things, there's people that have done some things they shouldn't have done. They've given some warnings that they should do something better, eat better, you know, exercise more, you know. They're shortening their life on the planet, and God didn't want it that way. But, you know, God's not going to force you to do, you know, those things. I'm one of them. I can tell you right now. He told me two years ago, you could eat food to live or you could eat food to die. Ooh. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Wow. That's what he said. Yeah. Seriously, you know, there's food that we could eat today. We know it's bad for you and it tastes good, but it's bad for you.

48:52 Yeah. It's a trap. There's certain things that can kill you that are killing you, that are food. And there's food that you should eat that it will keep you alive. And sometimes we don't choose to. Yeah, we don't choose to, you know. I'm just saying that, you know, but he told me, he said, you can eat food to live or you can eat food to die. Is honey bad? Yes, Sharon and Phil's honey's bad because they're into those nutrition things. And when I was talking to them, they know a whole bunch of stuff. I think it's good for you. Yeah. Don't ask me about that. My wife knows a lot about food and so on. Me and her got on the phone just recently, and I'm on a whole different diet when I get back home. Oh, okay. She's already got her juicer out. So the next time you see me, you'll probably say, that thing looks a lot different. Why don't we close with prayer? Would you pray? Yeah. Father, thank you for this moment that you've given us. Father, I'm asking the information that you gave me the privilege. to be able to impart to those out there that you open up the doors that they even see more than what I said with my voice and the words that I have, Father. Father, you know how much I desire that they become the best that they can in your kingdom. Yes, Lord. Because

50:24 we need more workers out there. We need more people to do the things that they need to do in your kingdom so that we can reach more. Father, I thank you right now in the name, okay, I will, in the name of Jesus, that you are moving in their lives right now and that, Lord, you're going to advance them in a way that they never thought they could be advanced because it is needed in this time. In Jesus' name we pray, amen. Amen. One last thing he told me to tell you. People sometimes ask me, when is he coming back? All right. This is what Jesus told me when I was with him. He will come back when no one is left on the planet to accept him. Okay. And that was like, how could that be? There was a time when only one man was righteous on the planet.

51:19 Do you understand what I mean? All of the other human beings on the planet had what? Turned from God except for one man. And as in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man. That's why we hear he doesn't know the time or the day, because it's up to the heart. He will know when there will be no one ready, will accept him on the planet, and he will come. We won't know that. And that's the entire planet. That's not just the United States. That's everywhere. There's going to come a time. When no one's going to want to accept him. I know that's hard for us to accept because we have the Holy Spirit residing on the inside of us. Do you know what I mean? But there are people out there right now. Do you understand what I mean? That do not have the Holy Spirit on the inside of them. And they don't think of Jesus like we do. You know. But that's what he told me in heaven. I'll tell you the truth. It was hard for me when I got back to the plant and I meditated on that to accept that. And then he said, there was no one. One man. Got down to one man, you guys. One. The entire world.

52:38 And you may say, well, there was only 5 ,000 people at the time. We don't know how many people there was. You understand what I mean? Whatever it was, and there's going to come a time when there's not going to be any man, any people. Interesting, huh? We got work to do. If you enjoyed today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also looking for a great move of the Holy Spirit. Check out our website at globaloutpouring .org to find out more information, read our blogs, connect with us, and donate.

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