(327) “God Wants to Use You in the Supernatural--Don't Give Up!” with Michael and Gordana Van Vlymen

0:00 This was something the Lord had reiterated to me during my sabbatical. Do you want to see those miracles? Then you don't give up ever. There is no doubt in the enemy's mind what you're going to do because you're going to do what I told you to do, that when you speak, the manifestation of my power will come and the Holy Spirit will move and all these things. And this is for everybody seeking miracles. Do not give up. God promises in Joel 2 .28 to pour out His Spirit on all humanity. Welcome to Global Outpouring, where we contend for that promised outpouring, we equip for that outpouring, so that we may engage in that very outpouring. I'm Philip Buss. And I'm Sharon Buss.

0:50 Welcome to the podcast today. You're going to love this one. We have with us today Michael and Gordana van Vlijmen. It's been a long time since we've had them on this podcast, and we know that you're going to really enjoy this because they have testimonies of following God into the supernatural, into doing the things that you see in the Word, not being frustrated that... I read it in the Word, and I don't see it. But following on and not giving up. God wants to use you in the supernatural. Don't give up. Thanks so much for joining us today. We're just delighted that you're with us, and we know that you're going to be blessed by this episode. But before we get started, if you haven't already done so, please go to our website, globaloutpouring .net, and hit that teal green subscribe button to get on our mailing list. If you haven't already gotten on our mailing list, please do so, so that we can stay in touch with you because there's more to Global Outpouring than just this podcast.

1:58 And we want to share things with you and bring you into the wonderful, deep things of God. We've got wonderful things on our website that you can enjoy. And if you want to help us continue doing this podcast, we would be so grateful if you would hit the donate button. Also, as you feel led by the Lord, we don't want to compel you. We want the Holy Spirit to compel you. It's not our job to compel you, but we want to build a relationship with you. And if you have the opportunity, please consider and please pray into coming to the School of the Supernatural Translation by Faith, September 7th through 12th, 2026. right here in our headquarters. You're going to love the Valley of the Angels. It's a wonderful place, and it's going to be a time of growing in the things of God and going deeper with Him into the things that He has planned for you. He has marvelous plans for you, and you will enjoy and be really blessed and challenged and helped to go deeper in God by coming to this school. Michael and Gordana van Vlijmen, we are so delighted to have you with us on this episode.

3:09 It's been a long time and it's time to refresh and renew our acquaintance because we're looking forward to having you with us at the school the first week of September. And we're just really excited to see you again. Yes. Same here. Yeah, it's great to see you guys. It has been a long time. It's been too long. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So just to recap, we'll put links in the show notes for the other episodes that we've done with you folks. But just to recap, one of the things that I love the most about the two of you is how the Lord has grown you in the spirit realm. And to where you're really being used in a powerful, powerful way in so many ways.

4:00 And the thing that is just exciting to me is that you're... You're kind of ordinary people, which gives every ordinary person hope that God can use them. And, you know, Michael, you were a coffee machine repairman and vending machines. And Gordana, you have been a hairdresser for years. And so I just I love the fact that you pursued God with all of your hearts to the point where you were. getting somewhere that you wanted to get in the presence of the Lord and doing the stuff, so to speak. Do you want to just give us just a little bit of catch -up history on that so that viewers and listeners who haven't met you before can just get a little taste of your journey? Yeah. Cordana? You want me to go first? Yeah, go ahead. I was brought up as Greek Orthodox. And I knew there was a God, but I didn't know about the Trinity. So in 1986, I was born again, and the Holy Spirit gave me the revelation of the Trinity, who, you know, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, even though I would go to church all the time, maybe four or five times a day, and do the sign of the cross and say, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, fasting, everything else, but I had no grid what it meant, any of it. And thank

5:31 God that Mike did not give up talking about Jesus. And I'm like, wow, I know God. He did not stop. So I was born again, 1986. But even though I experienced a lot and learned a lot and I was in the Word nonstop because I was so hungry, it wasn't satisfying to me what I was reading in the Word, seeing the things what the Lord did. All the things that were happening, it's like, okay, this is for now. Why am I not seeing this? I wasn't content with that. And Mike would take us to different meetings and pursue even more. 11 -11 -2011 took a whole new turn for me. Let me back up a little bit. Even though before we had Bible study. I witnessed to every person that I could, rejected by the family, made fun of it for being in the ward and being on fire for the Lord. Give every pamphlet, video, movies, books, everything that I could to be the light because I wanted everyone to know Jesus.

6:40 I wanted everyone to know what I knew. So 2011, Mike took us to a conference. Inside of me, to be honest, I was crying, and Mike did not know this. I said, Lord, you have to show me. There's either more to this, what I'm reading in your Word, where I'm seeing signs and wonders, things are happening, or I'll just go back and be a religious person. I'll go back and be an Orthodox. I'll go back to my Orthodox church and just, you know, do the cross and go, and that's it. I was crying inside. If nothing happens here, I'm going back. Well, lo and behold, the Lord answered my prayer. So be careful what you pray for and how serious you are about this, the pursuit of God, because He is real. What it says in the Bible, it's for now. It is for now. The Lord came and touched me in a miraculous way. This might stretch somebody. He put his hand inside of me and just literally shook me. I don't know if anybody heard of Heidi Baker, what he did for her. The Lord shook me for until probably now, maybe the last few years, not as much, but literally for maybe five, six hours at nighttime.

8:07 And that's when everything opened up for me, the spiritual world where I could see. Demons, angels, where before I was a little bit scared of the demonic. But when that happened for me, there was no fear anymore to do warfare, to fight, to go in the spirit realm in the evening and do warfare. He would translate me and take me places. So it totally changed me. And yes, I haven't been the same since. And there's nothing to go back to. You know, the enemy attacks, but we just go forward. Yeah. Amen. Amen. So thank you, Jesus, for Mike not giving up, but by witnessing to me, keep talking to me about this Jesus, because he is the lover of my soul. Jesus. Amen. I love Mike, but Jesus is the lover of my soul. Amen.

9:02 Beautiful. I'm not on the same page like Mike. I mean, I do go in the spirit realm. But I don't work with the angels like Michael does. So maybe one day. I've seen angels and I've talked to them, but not to the level where Mike is. So, Michael, give us your short version. Short version, okay. Yeah, because we've done a longer version. I know. We'll make that one available for people who want to know more. Well, so I was raised in an evangelical church. And taught from an early age that the things of the Bible are long gone. No more miracles, no more angels, no more prophets, no more of the supernatural, the miraculous.

9:52 That's all of the past because we're more advanced now. We don't need that kind of stuff. And yeah, so I had a season in my life where I was crying out. to the Lord for deliverance. He answered that prayer and he showed me that he's still the same God that does the miraculous. I mean, it was, when you receive deliverance, you know, it's hard to argue with that. There's nothing that feels like freedom, you know? And so I was happy about that. But then a few years later, Gordana had a friend that would come over and she would tell us all these wonderful stories about encounters with the Lord Jesus and heavenly things and all that. And I was thinking, wow, if that's possible, I'd much rather have that than to see just the demonic. And so that led me on my pursuit to just find out what I'm missing and how to access that. And the Lord kind of led me through that. And I learned about waiting on God, spending time in his presence, cultivating awareness of the things of the spirit instead of ignoring it. You know, when you're taught your whole life, you know, it's not real. It's kind of you have to shift gears, you know, to make that a part of your life. And the Lord led us on that journey. And just the floodgates were open. And, yeah, it's been overwhelming in a

11:25 good way. Yeah. So give us that piece about how you learned to wait on God and what happened. I know it's already in the other episode, but give us that piece for those who haven't heard it. Gordana and I would go to a lot of meetings where people had great testimonies about angels, about the Lord Jesus, about heaven. And we would hear these testimonies and then we would wait for the instruction. How does this happen? But no one was sharing that part. It's like, and then the angel told us all to leave and now you can all go home. And it's like, no, I don't want to go home. I want to hear what the instruction is to have that kind of walk with God. And so we pursued that for several years, not hearing how this happens. You know, people give instructions like, just press in, just hold on. Just go. Nothing to me, you know. And so finally, we were watching Sid Roth's program one night and Bruce Allen was on and he was sharing testimonies. And I thought, that's great. Maybe he'll stretch out his hand and pray for us or something over the TV. But instead, he said, now I'm going to tell you how this can happen for you. And he explained very simply. how to wait on God. And a kind of

12:57 a recap of that is you come before the Lord in a position of rest. You're not striving. You just come before the Lord, close your eyes in a position of prayer and wait with expectation. You've got your eyes closed, but you're looking with your eyes closed for God to show you something. There's something coming. Your eyes are closed, but God's going to show you something. You don't know what it's going to look like, so you keep looking. And he gave that instruction. It sounded kind of strange, you know, looking with your eyes closed, but I thought I can do that. And that was like the breakthrough instruction for me. I didn't believe it in the moment because it seemed so strange and it seemed, you know.

13:48 When you're kind of raised in a religious church, you almost feel like you have to do something. You have to accomplish something or learn something. It couldn't be as simple as just you wait and God shows you. It just seemed too much. But as I was waiting on the Lord, I would wait five minutes, nothing. Ten minutes, I think I'm wasting my time. Fifteen minutes, this is ridiculous. What in the world am I doing? Twenty minutes, oh my goodness, I've got to stop. I probably would have stopped, but after three or four years of seeking, that was literally the only practical instruction that we had received of what to do.

14:30 Thank the Lord he gave me the grace to continue. And at 45 minutes, it's like a breakthrough into the things of the Spirit happened, and it terrified me. It's like if you've got no grit for that, and suddenly there it is. It's like, wow, is that what I've been waiting for? And so I was afraid, and I did it again. I repented of my fear. I did it again. I was afraid, repented again of my fear. Yeah, and that started like a lifelong practice of spending time with the Lord, not me talking, you know, here's all the stuff I want, Lord, or here's what I want you to do, but me just listening and looking. Yes.

15:13 Letting him speak to me and, you know, instruct me in things. So you started at, you were doing 45 minutes about. And how long did it take? Was it days, weeks, couple months before all of a sudden it happened? Like ongoing? Yeah. That same day, I felt like I kind of ruined it for myself because I was afraid twice. And then so the third time that I was waiting on the Lord, I waited for hours. Nothing happened. I didn't feel anything. I didn't see anything. I thought, well, I ruined it. You know, God gave it to me, but I ruined it. So I went up to my bed and I was going to just lay down and mope a little bit, feel sorry for myself. And so I apologized to the Lord. I said, I'm so sorry you gave me what I asked for, but I just didn't have the.

16:09 I was too chicken to receive it. That's what I told him. And so when I laid back on the bed, immediately I found myself in the stars. And I was up there with Jesus. And it far exceeded the things that scared me about experiencing the spirit realm. I mean, this was like light years beyond that. But I was with him. And so I didn't have that element of fear. And so he took me into the stars. He took me to the bottom of the ocean. He said, see, I'm with you even to the depths of the ocean. Oh, wow. So that kind of gave me the permission, if you will, or the strength, confidence to pursue him with my whole heart because he said, I'm always with you. So I would wait on the Lord like every night because I didn't want to miss something. And I knew it happened pretty quick, you know, the first time. But see, the thing is, I think the Lord gave me that to inspire me. But he let me go through the process of waiting on him to show me that this is not some kind of parlor trick.

17:21 This is a relationship. And as you draw close to me, I will draw close to you. But I'm not going to just show up because you sat down in that chair for five minutes. And so I would go and I would wait on the Lord for an hour. I struggled with it because sometimes I'd be tired. I was working 60, 70 hours a week at my job. So I would wait on the Lord, but I would fall asleep over and over and over. And so sometimes I would wait for an hour and sometimes I would wait for 10 minutes. So this would happen for weeks. And then I would see something, a flash of light. something that I would have my eyes closed. And then, you know, if you're sitting in the dark with your eyes closed and someone turns the light on, you know it, right? I mean, you see the difference even with your eyes closed. Well, what would happen is sometimes the room would be so filled with light that... I would open my eyes and the room would still be dark, but then I'd close my eyes and it would be blinding light, you know?

18:27 And so I was experiencing stuff like that. So I knew that the things of the kingdom were beginning to manifest in my life. And so I would continue to wait. And then, you know, after maybe a month, two months, three months, sometimes I would see nothing, I would hear nothing, I would feel nothing. And then all of a sudden, you know, I would... be sitting in my chair and then my spiritual eyes would open and there would be an angel like looking into my eyes. And I could hear his thoughts. He's saying, are you awake yet? He's asking me, are you awake yet? And I thought, man, that's a question for the body of Christ. Are we awake yet? Are we awake to the things of God, to the things of the kingdom? And I knew that's what the angel was saying as he was looking into my eyes. And when I heard that, it's like he smiled and then he stood up away from me and then he disappeared. But when stuff like that would happen, it was a real convincing thing for me that this is the path. Not just me speaking, but now me listening, me paying attention. And it just started to... increase and increase and increase, and God would give me lessons and teach me things.

19:49 And then it became kind of over the top for me. It became everyday life where I would see things all throughout the day. But it wasn't accidental, you know, because you know how this is. If you take the steps of faith, it's like, you know, just like praying for healing for someone. If you're not praying for healing for anyone, probably people around you are not going to be healed so much. But if you're willing to reach out your hand and touch someone or pray, you're going to see the manifestation of his power. And it's the same thing with the things of the Spirit. Beautiful. Wow. So out of all of these experiences you were having, you were journaling. You were writing down your experiences, even if your experience was, I fell asleep. Absolutely. If that's all it was, that's what you wrote down. And it's so important that we write down the things that happen or that don't happen. And when something does happen, you write it down. I'm amazed at the things that are in my journal when I go back and read them. My journals, I should say. I go back and read. The Lord leads me to pages. Oh, wow, that was an amazing thing you told me. I completely forgot that. And so he's reminding me of things that he's told me and showed me.

21:08 And so the point I wanted to make, though, is that out of your journaling, you've written a lot of books. Tell us about that. Yeah, so I was writing everything down because I just felt compelled to do that. I mean, the things that were happening were so unusual. I thought, I have to capture this, you know. And so I wrote, I don't know, for several years. And I had a couple big stacks of journals. I don't know, maybe, I don't know, 50 or 100 journals, something like that. Wow. But like you said, it wasn't all just amazing encounters. Some of my entries were I felt I wanted to wait on the Lord. I fell asleep after five minutes and woke up, you know, in my prayer chair with a stiff neck. Yeah. And so those were some of my entries. But I felt like it gives an honesty to what God's doing, that this is not just something that happens overnight because wouldn't it be nice if God just did it and we didn't have to draw near to him, we didn't have to sit at his feet, we didn't have to worship him. But no, it wouldn't be nice because that defeats the whole purpose. It's about a walk with him. Yeah. I wrote everything out and I was praying over my journals one day.

22:29 I said, what's the purpose of this? Because I would read my own journals and I would be excited and I would be encouraged from reading my own journals. And so I went to a meeting. Well, we went to a meeting that we'd never been to before. The man, he prophesies and says, write, write, write, clear everything off your desk except your Bible and your notebook and write. God's telling you to write the revelation that he's given you. And so I thought, okay, well, I felt like How to See in the Spirit was the main revelation that he was giving me, so that was really the first book that I wrote. I wrote it out of my journals, but then I thought, I've got so many things he's taught me in the journals, and then so Supernatural Transportation, he'd been doing that in our lives for... for several years. So I went through the journals and I went through Gordana's life and things we'd experienced and wrote that book. And then I thought, well, I've got a lot of testimonies of overcoming the enemy.

23:34 So I put that in another book. And basically all of the books that I've written have been born out of this walk with the Lord and keeping track of it, what he's taught me through the years. And so now I've written like 18 books, I think. Wow. How would someone get your books? They're all on Amazon. That's the easy way for me. Okay. Yeah. So we'll put a link to Michael Van Vlijmen, author on Amazon. Thank you. So that people can get your books because there's good stuff. I love that one about violent prayers for your adult children. I think that's an amazing book. Yeah. So I noticed something that. as God would send us around the world doing schools and stuff and conferences, you know, I'm trying to teach people, or Gordana and I are trying to teach people, you can engage with the things of heaven, but really their need was, I've got a loved one that, you know, doesn't want to come to the Lord, or I've got somebody in my life that's sick, or somebody that needs a touch from the Lord, and that would be the over... overwhelming factor that they're thinking about when they come to the meeting. Even though they loved the testimonies we were sharing, they were more concerned about their loved ones. And I thought, they need the breakthrough in that. They need to know that, you know, God is there for them in those times.

25:04 And so the things that the Lord showed us are the things that went in that book, Violent Prayer for Your Adult Children, because, you know, the Lord showed. He showed us that he can change things in a heartbeat, in a day. And so I wrote that book, and we have had many, many testimonies from people that have used that as a template to pray for their own children. And there was this lady in Germany. We had stayed at their house before. Wonderful people, love the Lord, serve God, the whole family. But they had someone in their family that was kind of going the wrong direction and they were heartbroken about it.

25:46 She decided to pray the way we prayed for our own kids. And she said that within three days, her daughter contacted her and said, I want to serve the Lord now. Wow. It's like night and day. She wanted nothing to do with the Lord. Now she wanted to serve the Lord. And she was just overwhelmed. we understand that because we were overwhelmed what God did for us too. So it's been a real blessing. Yeah. For people that are struggling and they're waiting for the miracle or the breakthrough, do not give up. Keep inquiring of the Lord. Be violent. You know, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence and the violent take it by force. So just know that he's for you. All of heaven is for you. So just be aggressive. Amen. Amen. That's powerful. Yeah.

26:48 So in your walk with the Lord and in your journaling and in your writing books, somehow or other, you got connected with Bruce and Reshma Allen and started traveling with them in their schools. You mentioned the schools a moment ago. And you're going to be with us in their school that's being held at our headquarters. I love what you do in bringing the activations of the how -tos, the how -to parts, because the whole thing is about the school of the supernatural translation by faith. And, of course, Reshma teaches on discernment. But you do mostly the activations of the how -tos, and we actually sit in the classroom and do the activations. And I've been really blessed by the things that God has done in my life. as we've waited on the Lord in those moments, and you give us instructions of what to do and how to do it. I'm excited to see what God's going to do in this school. Do you have any thoughts about this school that's coming up? You know, I do because of the things that the Lord's told me over the past couple years. And people have heard this, you know, the veil's getting thinner, you know, and people have heard this over and over, and they're waiting for, you know, something majestic to happen. But we're in that season.

28:06 We're in a season where people are not going to have to wait. They're going to see more than they ever wanted to see. And many people are going to be terrified. But the remnant is going to be bold like a lion because the Lord's going to use us to help share the gospel with those people that don't understand what they're seeing. And in the world today, it's becoming more mainstream that, you know, are we seeing aliens? Yes. You know, they're going to appear to us. Are we seeing all these different, you know, creatures, you know, and they're trying to normalize that even through movies and cartoons and all that stuff.

28:49 So we're going to see more than we ever saw before. And I think it's the same with people that are looking. for the breakthrough into the things of the Spirit. You know, that's one of the things about the school, like you said. It's not just about us learning a bunch of stuff, and then that causes the breakthrough. No, you learn a precept upon precept, what God's doing, and then you put it into action. And you learn about stillness, and you learn about what David says, waiting like a watchman on the wall for the morning. You learn about all these things. And you take those steps of faith, and that's when it becomes active in your own life. I'm believing that in the schools going forward, we've seen all kinds of breakthroughs that people had, but we're going to see much, much greater. And I think it is those steps of faith, and also because Bruce was given a mandate from the Lord to teach these things for the end times church, the end times believers. So there is something that's been given to him, a mantle, that he's able to release through his teaching and through his revelation and through the activations and all those things.

30:07 And I think people are benefiting from that. It's not like the benefit like, yeah, I'll just show up and see what happens. It's a benefit like, Lord, this is what I want too. And you have a hunker. And then you're there. And then you get to glean from that atmosphere and that revelation, and it becomes part of your own life. And we've seen that over and over again. Yeah. It's beautiful. Yes, absolutely. I'm excited for what's coming. Absolutely. Yes. We are too. Absolutely. I remember Bruce, and it wasn't during a school. It was just sitting at the table, and that's such a blessing for us. Sit around the kitchen table and just hear things that nobody else gets to. Yeah. But remember, he was saying that these things that look so innocent, like the little aliens, you know, pointy ears, all this stuff. He said, but there's going to come a time when they're going to reveal themselves and men's hearts will fail them for fear. Yeah.

31:10 I thought, oh, wow. And that's maybe after, you know, the bride has been taken out, you know. Or maybe sooner. Or sooner. But, of course, when people see stuff like that, that could drive them to, Jesus, help me. Many people that, they're maybe moderate believers or maybe partial believers, and the first thing out of their mouth, when all of a sudden they see a tornado or something in front of their eyes, oh, God, help me. You know, it's just like that. And maybe it'll take stuff like that to open people's eyes. Yeah. So maybe that's a good thing in a way. Yeah. I think so. We've experienced that, Gordana and I. So people that have pursued other gods, so to speak, and wise counselors have appeared to them. And, you know, the wise counselors are so nice and they're so just beautiful. And then suddenly there's a turn that happens. They realize, okay, these wise counselors, they have a different agenda. True. And they begin to torment. Right?

32:20 Yes. Wow. So, yeah, so then people come to us and then say, this is what's happening. I don't know what I'm going to do. And so we're able to pray for them, pray deliverance over them so that they can, you know, find the true wise counselor, which would be the Holy Spirit, which brings no sorrow, torment. But, yeah, seeing that happen, people are terrified once they realize what's really going on. Like we've been to Tibet a few times. When you walk in their monasteries, they have the one they call the king of hell. I won't repeat his Tibetan name, but he's just this looks like a head of a bull. He has these bear claws. He's kind of purple, has a ring of skulls around his neck. And that's in every Tibetan monastery when you walk in, the protector, king of hell. Of course, that didn't work when the Chinese came in and, you know, destroyed the place. But if that entity, or if that's the right word, would reveal himself or any of the other stuff they worship, you know, because Hindus, you know, they got, you know, say a million gods.

33:31 And when things start manifesting, I think they will start looking in a hurry. Like you were saying, you're meeting people that this is happening to. And that's a scary thing, but if that's what it takes, Lord do it. Amen. Well, you guys have seen that firsthand having been there. But a lot of people, I heard a story from a reporter that he was out investigating different religions and gods and stuff. And he went over there, and he saw the manifestation of evil that was so overwhelming, supernatural in nature. He was terrified, and he never went back. He never went back there. And actually, that story was in the 1937 Reader's Digest. It's called I Saw the King of Hell, Yes. And you can Google it. I looked on eBay. They have the original—I didn't want to pay $25 for it, but it was the original one that was printed that had the—not the book, but it was the article. So you can Google that. I saw the king of hell, Tibet, and you will get the full story. I read that from time to time, and it's an amazing thing, this agnostic. And when the king of hell revealed himself, he made a believer out of him. But it is out there. It's out there, yeah. It's also told in Victor Plymire's book, High Adventure in Tibet. You can still

35:03 find that out there. Wow, I had no idea. Yeah, that's in that book too, yeah. But here's the thing that we need to hone in on. One of our friends, he was born and raised in India as the son of missionaries. And he told the story of how these... Local people came to greet the missionary when they came and they said, if you can show us that your God is more powerful than the demons we fear, we will follow him. And at the time, these people were not spirit filled. And, you know, they were coming to build a hospital. They didn't have that. supernatural power that is resident in us because of the presence of the Holy Spirit in us. We need to realize who lives inside of us and we're in him. We are invincible except for where we are in doubt and in fear ourselves. So, you know, it's critical that we learn to wait on the Lord and develop this relationship with our Father so that we don't walk in fear, that we don't walk in doubt, that we walk in the truth of who He is and let nothing stop us.

36:31 Somehow takes root inside you that just acknowledging a verse doesn't have that same capacity. But when Jesus makes it real to you, it's like all bets are off. It's like you're not going to be afraid of that stuff because you have been given authority. It changes everything. There you go. There you go. So you mentioned a few moments ago. about the past couple of years. The Lord took you off of the field, so to speak, where you were traveling a lot and ministering here and there. He took you off the field to draw you into a season of prayer. Please tell us about that and tell us what the Lord did and showed you. Just anything that's on your heart. I feel like this is an important, important piece that the body needs to get. I think it is important, especially now and especially because I was expecting.

37:41 I was expecting God to give me some nugget that I'd never seen, some special scripture or way to pray. That just would change everything, you know, make all the things of the past the Lord has shown me like invalid or like lesser. But every time that I would come before the Lord and I would say, Lord, teach me more about breakthrough. And he would say, I already taught you about that. I taught you about breakthrough. Lord, teach me more about prayer, about hearing your voice. I taught you about that. Teach me more about having my eyes open. And he would say, I taught you about that. And I'm thinking he's bringing me back like full circle to the very beginning. And it's like all these things that he had taught me from 2010 or so about the things of the spirit. He's just like reiterating all that to me. And not only that, but he's letting me know it's more important than ever. that we do these things now and that we cultivate that relationship with him. So I was expecting, you know, after two years of waiting that it was going to be something just so over the top that I just probably wouldn't even be able to process it completely. But that wasn't what it was. And my visitations during that time period also, I was saying things in the spirit. I mean, demonic

39:14 figures walking across the yard, angels coming to the door of my office, checking on me. They'd look at me and then they'd walk away back into the house. And a prophet that showed up and he came to my office three times and he was looking at me and then he would walk away. And so just all of this engagement with the things of heaven, but a couple of the things that happened. where an angel took me and had me lay on the floor, and he opened up the ceiling, and he opened up the sky, and he said, look. And it was overwhelming. There was such a demonic, wicked, demonic presence that filled the sky. And it was churning like a black mass of wickedness. And it was difficult to look at, but I had no fear. You know, because God gives us grace for the things he's called us to do. I believe that. He's told me many times, you don't have to be afraid. I'm always with you. And that's when the angel told me that the day is upon us where people are going to see the unseen and it's going to terrify some and it's going to give others a handle on their purpose because we have to bring the answer for people that are terrified. and people that don't understand.

40:39 But then another encounter I had was I saw a whirlwind of fire that appeared before my prayer chair, and there was someone standing in it. And it stayed in place for about 20 minutes. And I'm just waiting for a word, you know, he's going to speak something to me. But then afterwards, the Lord said, this will be a sign and a wonder. in the coming days that people, the servants of God will be clothed with my fire and it will be an offense to some. They'll run away from you and it will be a blessing to others that know, they'll know that this is God's power and those that need miracles from the Lord, those that want to know God will be drawn to you. as this kind of thing happens. And I say that for the people seeking God because God's already doing this, but it's going to happen a lot more.

41:42 The signs and wonders around our lives will become more manifest in the coming days so that people that need God are going to know they can come to you and they can find what they're looking for. They can find the answer. And so that was a great encouragement. And then I had another visitation from two angels. One was named Amiel, and the other one was named Uriel. And they stood in front of my prayer chair, and I'm overwhelmed. I'm just waiting. When things like this happen, I think, oh, what's God going to tell me? And so I'm just sitting there watching them, and they're talking to me, but I can barely hear the words coming out of their mouth. And so I'm thinking, what in the world is this? And I'm asking, please speak louder. I can't hear you.

42:37 Please speak louder. So after about five minutes, maybe a little bit more, they stopped trying to talk to me and they left. And so I was very disappointed and I was frustrated. So I prayed about it a little bit. It's not right that those angels couldn't communicate with me. Angels should be able to communicate better. I'm kind of dumping all of my frustration on them, kind of blaming them. And so the next night when I was praying, I'm again at my prayer chair, and I'm caught into the Spirit. And there's an angel sitting behind a desk, and I know this angel is someone of some authority. I can feel it. And so I said, can I ask you a question? The angel said, no.

43:24 I said, please, let me ask you one question. It will be short. And so the angel said, okay, ask me. And I explained the situation. And the angel just kind of looked at me and said, Amiel and Uriel have no trouble communicating. The problem is with you. You need to learn how to hear better. Now, I thought about that. I mean, obviously, I was, you know, you can't argue with that. That's accurate, right? But I thought about that, and I thought, you know, we in this household, Gordana, myself, and the kids, we seek to hear God's voice. We seek to see the things of the Spirit. This isn't like just a pastime where wouldn't it be great if it happened. That's the passion of our life and our heart. So for the angel to tell me that, this is with you. You need to learn how to hear better. And I thought, if I need to learn how to hear better, we all need to learn how to hear better. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back because that's not the point of this. But it's like, you can't say that you've arrived. We move from glory to glory.

44:40 If we're not hearing the way we need to hear, then we need to just spend more time at the Lord's feet. Yes. Don't you say that's true? Yes. Back to your first love. Back to your first love. Seeking with all your heart. And I know with Gordana, I mean, she can speak to this, but she has a lot of open manifestations with angels. And I think, in my opinion, it's because she yields to the Holy Spirit every night. So he comes upon her. She begins to intercede. She begins to shake violently sometimes. And it's overwhelming to watch. And at first it was difficult because I didn't understand it. But I realized that yielding to the Spirit, really opening the things of the Spirit up to her. So much so, one of my favorite stories was when the angels appeared to her saying, get ready for Ezekiel 38. Oh, tell us more about that. Want to tell that? Yeah.

45:45 Tell it truthfully. I kept asking the Lord to tell me what's coming and what was going on. He said, I just want to know. And I was like, you tell secrets, and I'm your friend, because he shares his heart with us. And so as I'm laying in bed and praying, and all of a sudden my eyes are open and an angel came. Some toppings I'm laying, and beautiful blonde hair, kind of like shoulder length, and I mean an angel, angel. And he's holding a scroll. He said, he unrolls the scroll. He said, get ready for Ezekiel 38.

46:30 And I said, no, you mean Ezekiel 37. I thought Ezekiel 37 has to come in the bones and the dry bones and come in alive all that before, you know, the war and everything else that it's going to happen, which we're pretty close to that right now, right? So he leaves and another angel comes and he has a scroll tool and he opens it up and he said, get ready for Ezekiel 38. And I said, no, you mean Ezekiel 37. And then I was telling Mikey, you were arguing with the angels. I said, I just was saying what I thought because I thought Ezekiel 37 has to happen. And when they told me that at that time, I thought when you hear some stuff, prophecy doesn't happen right away because it'll happen according to the word of God, what the Lord says. Yeah. So I was a little discouraged because it didn't happen like in a day or a week or whatever. Then Bruce said, why don't you ask the Lord what that, you know.

47:32 What was the whole purpose of him telling you that? Well, we know all the nations and everybody coming around Israel right now. And I said, well, what did you mean by Ezekiel 38? He said, same like in Daniel about, you know, all the laws, everything changing. We see that right now. So, yeah. I just, I love that story because who in the world is going to argue with God's angels? No, no, you got it wrong, you know. Where Donna didn't have any problem. I thought it was funny. You know, you have a relationship. You're right. And, you know, sometimes the Lord is trying to help us correct our thinking, and he doesn't mind us discussing these things with him. Yeah, where his children were still growing, right?

48:21 Right. They were growing every day. You're right, Sean. But what I've observed and what I've heard lots of people... in their discussions with the angels or with the Lord or whatever, he'll say to do something or he'll give a word and the response is no or something contrary to what was said. But by the third time, it's like, okay. Usually the third time seals it. I've been there. I've been there too. You want to tell us when? Yeah. This was, the Lord was trying to prompt me to do something. And I was in my work environment, and I saw this man walk through my work area.

49:13 I'd never seen him before, but he looked really mean, angry. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, I would hate to meet him in a dark alley. And the Lord spoke to me and said, go tell him I love him and I have a great plan for his life. I thought, what in the world? It can't be God's voice, you know. The enemy's trying to get me beat up or something, you know. Except I knew it was God's voice, but I didn't move. And so God told me again, go tell him I love him and I have a great plan for his life. And I didn't move. I still didn't move. And the guy, he's walked, now he's out of my area. And he's went around the corner. I don't know where he went.

49:54 The Lord speaks it again. The third time he told me, I just started walking because I knew if I didn't start walking, I would disobey him again. And I thought, I don't want that, you know, on my hands. So I just started walking. I walked around for a while. I finally found the guy. He's sitting at a desk and he looked up at me, still got this mean look on his face. And I said, I need to tell you something. He said, what? I said, Jesus loves you and has a great plan for your life. And he starts to cry. And what I thought was meanness was pain on this guy's face. And he said, I've been sitting here all morning. I've been all morning thinking about how my life has no purpose and I should just end it. Yeah. And the Lord. And his mercy told me even a third time, go tell him, go tell him, because he wanted to minister to this man. And I thought, it's important, you know. I missed it twice, you know, and that was wrong. We need to be obedient immediately to his voice in the coming days. We may not have the chance. We may not have the chance to get told, you know, three or four times. Right. We just need to be obedient to his voice and let the chips fall where they may, because as long as we're obeying him, we

51:27 don't have to worry about what else comes. That's on the Lord. It's true. It's true. Even if we do miss it occasionally, he knows how to turn those things for good. I'm not talking about disobedience. I'm talking about more being misled by something else. That if we bumble on something, God still has a way of using that. And, you know, I remember one time feeling compelled to speak to someone who had some kind of, I don't remember just what it was, but there was some kind of obvious. need for healing. You could tell that there was something wrong, something wrong physically.

52:12 And so I asked him, would you like me to pray for you? And he told me no. And so I did what I felt I was supposed to do just to approach him. And if he didn't want prayer, then I'm not going to. I mean, I'm going to pray for him when I walk away, but I'm not going to lay hands on him. And so I don't know what the outcome of that was, but I know that God can use it in any case. Yeah, absolutely. And probably I'm certain that he did use it just to prompt the man in the direction that, you know, think about God being able to heal him. Yeah. Yeah, so you're right. It's not like, you know, we're being disobedient on purpose, like, I'm not going to do what God tells me. It's like you're wrestling with stuff.

53:01 Am I hearing God's voice? Is that really what he wants me to do? It's just all of these things that we consider when we're trying to follow God's voice. Almost like angels told you, you need to hear better because the Lord always speaks. Right. You need to hear better. And that's built on the relationship that you're building. Are you spending more time with the Lord or more time with the world, the things of the world? Right. Absolutely. And I've seen that even when we go to schools and stuff and we're trying to teach people about having that walk with the Lord that opens the things of the Spirit up to them. That's my take on it, is that if you have a close walk with God, the things of the Spirit will open to you. If you are seeking... The things of heaven instead of the things of this world, if that's the thing that matters to you, then if you focus on the spiritual things, the spiritual things manifest. If you focus on natural things, then you're going to know all about the natural things. So I think God gives us that opportunity to seek Him and to see the manifestation of His kingdom for His glory for the day that we're in. Amen. But we need to have that immediate obedience, you know. And I wish I could say I'm there, but, you know, sometimes, you know, it's just like you realize, okay, I should have obeyed.

54:28 Why didn't I obey? Yes. Do you have any other thoughts, anything on your heart that you want to share? I do. This is like going back to prayer and breakthrough that I think a lot of times, so the Lord showed me this. A long time ago in a vision, I was rebuking an evil spirit and the evil spirit would not go away. And the evil spirit didn't even look perturbed or worried. He just very confident and wickedly was looking at me. And so I just kept rebuking and rebuking him. Finally, after about 20 minutes, he flew away.

55:10 But I asked the Lord, I said, Lord, what is going on? I know I'm seated in authority in you. I know that I'm seated far above principalities and powers, that nothing shall by any means harm me. But this thing didn't even look worried. And the Lord told me, Michael, the enemy is a deceiver. They appear. They put forth an appearance as if your words have no power against them, but actually the opposite is true. But the enemy has known that if they can just hold out for a few minutes, if they can hold on for just a few minutes, many times believers will give up.

55:54 And like if you're praying, you're a church praying for someone's healing or they've got an issue and there doesn't appear to be an instant manifestation or even one that seems to be not instant, but in the process of happening, many times people will say, oh, let's just stop for now. Next month, the healing evangelist is coming through. We'll try again that. And the Lord was telling me that's the way a lot of the church thinks, that we're not seeing the enemy move off of the situation. So let's just wait until someone else comes along.

56:34 And the Lord said, no, every time you speak, something shifts in the spirit realm. Every time you speak, whether good or bad. And so the Lord was telling me. Do you want to see those kind of miracles in your life? This was something the Lord had reiterated to me during my sabbatical. Do you want to see those miracles? Then you don't give up ever. There is no doubt in the enemy's mind what you're going to do because you're going to do what I told you to do, that when you speak, the manifestation of my power will come and the Holy Spirit will move. And all these things, and this is for everybody seeking miracles. Do not give up. Do not allow the enemy to trick you, thinking that, oh, well, you know, he's more powerful. No, he's not more powerful. And we just need to be aggressive and move the enemy out of our lives. And it's not always easy. It's not always convenient. But we're empowered by the Holy Spirit to see these things come to pass.

57:43 If I had to say anything to anybody that's seeking something from God, do not stop. That's my counsel for those things. And guard the words that come out of our mouth, the power for life or death. Yes, that too. Amen. You know, that's one of my favorite stories that you tell, and I quote it. frequently. That really made an impact on me that you don't give up because the thing that you were praying about before that thing showed up, when it moved, there was an answer to your prayer right there that he was trying to cover up. So I just think it's so essential that, like you said, that we not give up. We keep pressing in, keep pursuing, keep contending. Yeah, and know that regardless of how people feel about themselves, it's like, oh, I'm having a bad day.

58:40 I equate this to if you were having a bad day as a believer and you think, well, I can't really pray for anybody today. I said something I shouldn't have said. I was mean to somebody or whatever the situation. You still. are a child of the Most High, seated in heavenly places, even on your worst day. Yes. And I kind of equate that to if you're driving past someone, maybe a young woman holding a baby, and she doesn't know how to change a tire, and she's standing alongside the road, would you say, I can't help her because I'm not a good enough Christian today? No, don't do that. Right? You would stop and help because you can. And that's the way I look at it with believers. We might not be perfect. We might be a work in progress, but we are who we are.

59:33 And if you have the opportunity to help somebody do it and just step out in faith because he gets the glory, not us. It's not like we point to ourselves and say how great we are, but Jesus gets the glory so we can speak in his name and see things happen. Amen. Amen. Amen. That's beautiful. Praise the Lord. Well, would you pray for our listeners and our viewers? I would. Gordana, you want to? I'll agree with you. Okay, you're good. All right. Father, in Jesus' name, we just lift everyone up. It's watching this broadcast and those that hear it. In Jesus' name, Father, we lift them before your throne. We know that you are using them for your glory. We ask you, Father, to let everything that's been from you just to hit. hit the right place in their heart, Father. Just empower them, embolden them, give them the boldness of the Lion of the tribe of Judah going forth in their life. Father, just let the things of heaven be first place in their life. Let the Lord and His kingdom be first place so that the things of the Spirit are manifest in their life for Your glory so that we can walk in what You've created us to walk in. Father, and now I just... I just, by faith, lay hands on every person watching and listening. I just release those things that you've given us, Father.

1:00:58 We release those things you've given us to walk in the Spirit, to see and to hear and to fulfill our mandate before you, what you prepared for us to do. We just receive that, Father, and the equipping and the lessons and the encounters, Father. We ask you release it all on your people for your glory in this time, for such a time as this. And we thank you for Sharon and Phil. We ask you to bless not only their ministry, but the podcasts and the broadcast. Father, just bless it. Let it reach all the right people, all the people, Father. And we just ask you, let your kingdom come. Let your will be done.

1:01:43 In Jesus' mighty name, amen. Amen. Thank you so much. This has been just delightful. And again, we're looking forward to having you with us at the School of the Supernatural Translation by Faith. It starts September 7th. It goes through the 12th, I believe. And there's information about it on our website, globaloutpouring .net, globaloutpouring .org. Either one of them will get you there. And look at the event page and you'll find all the details about it and how to register. And we hope that you... will join us. It will be an amazing, life -changing time. If you enjoyed today's podcast, please subscribe, rate, and review this podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Your review helps the podcasting platform suggest this podcast to other listeners who are also looking for a great move of the Holy Spirit. Check out our website at globaloutpouring .org to find out more information, read our blogs, connect with us, and donate. You can also browse our web store for life -changing anointed books. Until next time, this is Sharon Buss. And I'm Philip Buss.

1:02:59 God bless you with His overwhelming, loving presence.